IRC log for #gllug on 20100427

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07:10.10ChoHagFrom: Phil McKracken <bigphilmckracken@googlemail.com>
07:10.14ChoHagSubject: Sick
07:10.16ChoHagYou make me sick.
07:35.53AndyMillarheh
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09:00.32ChoHagI asked the people in the kitchen when they get deliveries in.
09:00.37ChoHagIt took two of them to answer.
09:00.45ChoHagI think I know why they have that job.
09:01.44ChoHagCute though.
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09:33.14cpufreakhttp://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~ranga/humor/500_mile_email.txt
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10:38.35bilarhGordon starts out with 200 apples per year, if he gives
10:38.35bilarh1) Barry the copper 50
10:38.35bilarh2) Sarah the Teacher 50
10:38.35bilarh3) Colin the Hospital Trust manager 350
10:38.37bilarh4) Philip the Quango man 400
10:38.40bilarh5) Clive the Council Manager 400
10:38.42bilarh6) Dave the Fireman 50
10:38.45bilarh7) Charles the MP 300
10:38.47bilarh8) Kevin the Soldier 40
10:38.50bilarh9) Wally the retired Civil Servant 200
10:38.52bilarhand lends Tarquin the banker 2000
10:38.55bilarhHow many will Gordon have left?
10:39.49Leedshe'll owe Chin the Chinaman 3550 by my reckoning
10:40.18bilarh:(
10:44.55cpufreaksurely 3640?#
10:45.01cpufreakis what he'll owe?
10:46.19bilarhcpufreak: no leeds is right
10:46.22bilarhhe printed the rest
10:46.37bilarhthus making every apple 10% smaller
10:52.07Leedsmeh, I can't count
10:52.21Leedsin my defense, it's well past beer o'clock
11:22.01halihttp://whytejam.es/post/550782938/my-favourite-david-cameron-picture-yet
11:22.50wethrinold :)
11:29.26ChoHagBut no worse for that.
11:30.27bilarhhehehe :D
11:30.41haligoing for the gay vote
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11:42.31dick_turpinAfternoon all
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12:06.03ChoHagSTAB XML IN THE FACE!
12:06.07ChoHagSTAB STAB STAB!
12:07.23wethrinITYM: <action type="stab" />
12:08.56ChoHagThank you.
12:14.26wethrinyw
12:14.38wethrinXML does seems to be a poor solution looking for a problem that doesn't actually exist
12:17.59ChoHagI ranted about it on hates-software.
12:18.05ChoHagI think I said everything which needed to be said.
12:18.50wethrinI see absolutely nothing on http://we.hates-software.com
12:19.16ChoHagInteresting. The site seems to have become more hateful.
12:19.45ChoHagI use the mailing list.
12:22.05dick_turpinIts rubbish
12:25.02wethrinChoHag: What's your username on hates-software?
12:25.30ChoHagI don't know...
12:25.34wethrinbah
12:52.36ChoHagTaking a short break from work, which seems to be a study in how not to get anywhere, I have an conundrum at home.
12:52.54ChoHagIn order to configure my (soon-to-bo) router I must log in and run some commands.
12:52.54wethrinTry rotating it
12:53.37ChoHagThese commands are located in /usr/sbin, which is added to the PATH by /etc/profile.
12:53.51ChoHag/etc/profile is not executed if a command is given as part of the ssh command.
12:54.29wethrinokay
12:54.36ChoHagTo make it more interesting, the shell is busybox's ash.
12:54.44wethrinUse full path
12:54.48ChoHagAnd there is no documentation for this particular build.
12:54.58ChoHagwethrin: That's boring and impractical.
12:57.36ChoHagIt's actually a script which runs a lot of commands.
13:00.31antiphaseDoes this shit shell not allow you to define PATH?
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13:01.08ChoHag'ssh foo PATH=bar command' is one solution.
13:03.11wethrinbusybox doesn't allow for much at all
13:17.04wethrinsigsh
13:17.06wethrin*sighs
13:17.34wethrin"...Javascript disabled - does anyone browse with it enabled by default these days!?"
13:17.58wethrinWTF is it with geeks and their adherense to the early 1990s on the Interwebs?
13:19.12antiphaseLet them sink in their ill-informed fail
13:20.07ChoHagWill the same things be said in 10 years about flash?
13:21.31wethrinprobably
13:22.23ChoHagI think it's a cut-off-your-nose protest against idiotic uses of javascript.
13:23.22wethrinAye. Javascript isn't really a problem anyhow. Unless you're using a shit browser with a rubbish JS interpreter
13:23.32wethrinSorry, Eczema-script, or whatever they want to call it nowadays
13:26.03wethrinARRRRGH
13:26.12wethrinPeople--
13:26.44wethrin"They also sent a couple of MS Word documents....I asked for something in a 'standard' format & suggested ODF"
13:27.22wethrinYes, it might be a de jure standard. But it's damn well not a de facto standard
13:27.48ChoHaghaha
13:28.11wethrinand, also, the usual zomggggg Javascript is INSECURE argument
13:28.24ChoHag"I don't like your standard. Use mine instead. Don't bother with the universally recognised document format. You know, the portable one."
13:29.07wethrinI'm clearly too old to be down with the cool Linux kids
13:30.21dick_turpinwethrin: You're too old to be with anyone tbh :-P
13:30.36wethringit
13:30.48ChoHagYeah that too.
13:32.47wethrinAnyway. It's nice that if Sun makes a standard, it's good; if Microsoft tries to make a standard, they're trying to subvert computing
13:33.10ChoHagYet both standards are equally likely to be appaling.
13:33.42wethrinyep
13:34.44ChoHagOn a completely different note, why does bsd slice up a disc and then partition the slices and not just partitions the disc and leaves it at that?
13:34.56wethrinBecause non-PCs don't use partitions
13:35.14wethrinAnd so, really, the partition is the nasty hack
13:35.57ChoHagSeems like just a conflict of terms to me.
13:36.07ChoHagOther systems still chop the discs up one way or another.
13:36.20ChoHagWhether they call them slices, partitions, luns or cake.
13:37.23wethrinTrue. But I think it made it easier on their code to use slices whatever the architecture; and then put a hack around PCs to use a particular partition
13:38.05bilarhmmm, cake
13:38.28bilarhcake: http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/WwylBRucU7w/default.jpg
13:39.07antiphaseAnd it's completely obvious that s2 is the whole disk
13:39.27ChoHagAnd where does the crazy idea that c must be the whole slice/disk/pantry come from?
13:39.42ChoHagThat seems like a nasty hack to me if ever there was one.
13:40.07ChoHagYes. s2.
13:40.26antiphase~2.99E+08 m/s² is the whole disk?
13:40.28iboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, antiphase
13:40.47ChoHagibot: Squares are not illegal.
13:40.48ibot...but squares is already something else...
13:40.50antiphaseassumes that tardbot was morsingfail's creation
13:40.53wethrinit's an odd hysterical raisin
13:41.09wethrinantiphase: now, now. That's a bit uncalled for!
13:41.14wethrinibot ibot
13:41.15ibotIt's me
13:41.25cpufreakibot creator
13:41.26ibotextra, extra, read all about it, creator is the guy who made it
13:41.26wethrinibot is Tim Rikers' infobot
13:41.32ChoHagOf course
13:41.34wethrinibot infobot
13:41.35ibotsomebody said infobot was a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass
13:41.40ChoHagforgot that bsd never left the 60s.
13:41.47antiphaseibot quit
13:41.48ibotNo! You quit!
13:41.55cpufreakibot: no! you quit!!!!!!
13:42.40wethrinYeah. Well. I find the old-style Unix far more pleasant to use than Linux
13:42.50wethrinthey don't seem to change things just for shits and giggles
13:43.03ChoHagAnyway nobody has ever explained what's so hysterical so I choose to believe that it's just moronic until it is demonstrated otherwise.
13:43.13ChoHagI can't think of a good reason now and I can't then.
13:43.16antiphaseI tried using Umbongo 10.04 yesterday. Now that's progress.
13:43.30ChoHagIf it had to be, what's wrong with the 1st slice? Would that just be too logical?
13:43.58ChoHagwethrin: Yeah but nothing apparently changes for any other reason either.
13:46.16cpufreakbsd is dead anyway
13:46.25wethrinhttp://serverfault.com/questions/5095/historical-question-why-does-slice-c-or-slice-2-cover-the-entire-disk
13:46.30wethrincpufreak: Netcraft has proved it?
13:46.53cpufreak^_^
13:47.03cpufreakactually we have one (1) freebsd box here
13:47.05cpufreak[andym@hamsmoke01 ~]$ uptime 1:46PM  up 1183 days,  5:12, 3 users, load averages: 0.20, 0.18, 0.12
13:47.08cpufreak[andym@hamsmoke01 ~]$ uname -sr
13:47.10cpufreakFreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE
13:47.37antiphaseMmm, smoked ham
13:49.12antiphaseAll this makes me wonder how to create GPT partition tables that work
13:49.47ChoHagwethrin: That page basically says "it was a hack"
13:50.42wethrinyes
13:50.43ChoHagSo when BSD was ported to peecees, they didn't like the standard hack but insisted on their own instead.
13:50.46wethrinmany things are
13:51.09ChoHagStory sounds familiar somehow. Something about cool linux kids...
13:54.48AndyMillarcpufreak: freebsd is *not* dead, I run it on my laptop :-)
13:56.02wethrinHa. Andrew Back++ # "complaining about Javascript in 2010 is a bit like complaining about sites with images circa 2000."
13:58.08cpufreakAndyMillar: it's very dead.
13:58.17cpufreakantiphase: don't bother! lvm the whole disk
14:03.40cpufreakChoHag: why is confluence still down?
14:04.10cpufreakwethrin: the topic is in the past.
14:04.19*** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ
14:04.32*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk
14:04.33*** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin
14:04.36wethrinhappy/
14:04.50cpufreak:)
14:05.31wethringoodoh :)
14:07.03AndyMillarcpufreak: but it works :-p
14:07.08AndyMillar(just about)
14:07.34cpufreakyou should remember, that I'm basically defeated
14:07.47cpufreakI'm not longer a 'technology person'
14:07.49cpufreakI'm a manager
14:07.49cpufreak:(
14:07.58cpufreakI have to deal with people now, not computers.
14:07.59AndyMillarthis is true
14:08.21dick_turpincpufreak: Welcome to my world
14:08.28cpufreakno.
14:08.31cpufreakI am not in your world.
14:08.34cpufreakI have never been your world.
14:08.39cpufreakI have no intention of ever entering your world.
14:08.40cpufreak:)
14:08.55dick_turpinI can wait
14:09.11dick_turpin>:-)
14:09.22cpufreakThat will likely prove to be a fruitless venture - I refer you to my previous comment.
14:09.47wethrinno longer a 'technology person'. Does this mean you use a Mac?
14:09.52dick_turpinWe are brother Managers
14:10.08cpufreakI have a Macbook at home, which I use for photo editing.
14:10.15dick_turpinI have to deal with people now, not computers.
14:10.30cpufreakAt work, I run Linux, but have Windows 7 in a VM, so that I can use excel and powerpoint.
14:10.32dick_turpinMwahahaha
14:11.11wethrinWe run Linux at work. And have Windows XP in a VM to do Outlook, MS Office, Sharepoint, etc.
14:11.21wethrinSo, really, it's quite pointless having a Linux desktop
14:11.26wethrinbecause we just ssh in to servers
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15:52.19renuxHello to all
15:52.26renuxsomeone have time to help me?
15:52.35renuxI have a very strange problem
15:52.44renuxI cannot see the boot text
15:53.04cpufreakturn on the monitor
15:53.26renuxI uahahha
15:53.33renuxyes was that!
15:53.34renux;-)
15:53.54boudiccasrenux, is your machine and monitor plugged in to the mains power supply???
15:54.00renuxI disable plymouth
15:54.09renuxno hold on
15:54.11renuxsorry
15:54.16renuxI will explain
15:54.26renuxit happen just with Nvidia drivers
15:54.33renuxthe non-free  I mean
15:54.49renuxIf I use vesa or open  source
15:54.54renuxit's all ok
15:55.03renuxand the problem is just with text
15:55.12renuxnot with graphic
15:55.21boudiccasrenux, please stop using the ENTER key for punctuation, type longer sentences
15:55.29renuxI mean boot text ot console are nort readable
15:55.54renux@Boudiccass: sorry mate ;-(
15:56.22antiphaseOoh, is this Twitter?
15:56.26boudiccasrenux, i'm not your mate!
15:56.27antiphaseI've heard about Twitter
15:57.05renux@boudiccas: you do not know what you miss!
15:57.19boudiccasrenux, really!?
15:57.31renux<PROTECTED>
15:57.49boudiccasbut i'm glad to see that you're sentences are getting longer, it makes for easier reading
15:58.13renux<PROTECTED>
15:58.16Leedsboudiccas: ITYM your
15:59.02dick_turpinIs this a reincarnation of morsing or something?
15:59.19boudiccasdick_turpin, i think its the 'something'!
15:59.26dick_turpinAh
15:59.53renuxso nobody have any idea?
16:00.09Leedsrenux: friendly advice... use <nick>: not @<nick> - this really isn't twitter
16:00.22boudiccasrenux, yes, beer!
16:00.34dick_turpinBetter still just use tab complete
16:01.14renux@ boudiccas:  ok, but you have to fix my linux box
16:02.19boudiccasrenux, you dont learn do you? lose the @ before someones nick
16:02.44renux@ boudiccas: why I like the @
16:03.10boudiccasrenux, it makes you look like a tard as you've been told twice about it
16:03.18cpufreakhaha
16:03.23cpufreaknice :)
16:04.35renux@boudiccas: MMM maybe I'm. You are so smart, so as you are can do somenthing good to the rest of the world? stop breathing for example
16:04.52boudiccasrenux, /plonk
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16:05.00*** kick/#gllug [renux!~richardc@pcd417031.netvigator.com] by Leeds (renux)
16:05.07dick_turpinHuzzah!
16:05.40Leedswaits for the obligatory abus... oh, there it is, the PM
16:06.19cpufreakWhat's scary is that guy appears to be working for a finance house.
16:06.42Leedsto be fair, he isn't being abusive, just asking why boudiccas can insult him, but he can't reply with another insult
16:06.51Leedsah, there's the abuse
16:07.09boudiccasbut i didnt insult him!
16:07.21Leedsyeah, you said he looked like a tard
16:07.30boudiccasah right
16:07.38cpufreakHe was being useless though. He also spelt 'not' 'nort', which was unusual.
16:08.19Leedsanyway, he's gone and I'm going in the shower
16:08.32dick_turpinI hated him so I don't care about '/kick correctness' good riddance
16:08.46cpufreakThank's for the mental imagery :)
16:08.50cpufreakFSAJHFJFEW
16:08.56wethrinShare the pms!
16:09.02cpufreakcommits suicide for the apostrophe abuse
16:09.03cpufreaksorry!
16:09.30dick_turpincpufreak: I thought you was dead?
16:09.32wethrinboudiccas: I see you've left fgllug.... :)
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16:36.10boudiccaswethrin, yes, i was not enjoying the expereince, so i left
16:36.28wethrinfair enough
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