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| 08:09.35 | hali | morning |
| 08:09.45 | hali | hm, dells new online configurator sucks just as much as the old one :/ |
| 08:10.03 | bilarh | morning |
| 08:10.36 | Azundris | morning |
| 08:11.27 | Azundris | Count your blessings, at least you have the option. My company no longer allows Dell. :-/ |
| 08:11.45 | hali | isn't that semi-good? :) |
| 08:12.05 | hali | i do like HP kit better generally but have a hard time justifying the extra cost, even to myself... |
| 08:12.35 | bilarh | we're buying purely new dell kit lately |
| 08:12.45 | bilarh | and have been doing for the past 2-3 years |
| 08:13.01 | Azundris | Let me rephrase. I had the choice between a tiny "look at me, I'm an exec" Toshiba or Panasonic or whatever it was with no CPU, no RAM, and no display, and a *Macbook*. With a *glossy display*. |
| 08:13.05 | bilarh | i do like the new rack rails |
| 08:13.19 | hali | r610/r710 rails are excellent |
| 08:13.25 | bilarh | yep |
| 08:13.34 | hali | r710 especially with the little blue snap-snag-thingy |
| 08:13.36 | bilarh | we can rack a rack in about an hour now, which is retty damn fast :) |
| 08:13.40 | bilarh | yeah exactly |
| 08:13.48 | Azundris | The Dell I had before may not have had the fastest I/O subsystem in the world, to put it mildly, but the display was excellent, and the keyboard acceptable. More than I can say for the Apple. |
| 08:14.32 | bilarh | azundris: does it really make any difference on a laptop nowadays though? |
| 08:14.53 | bilarh | i find even an old and / or cheap laptop is fast enough nowadays for what i need to do |
| 08:14.56 | Azundris | bilarh: Especially with laptops, I think? |
| 08:15.09 | Azundris | bilarh: Not so much in terms of CPU this and RAM that, I agree. |
| 08:15.35 | bilarh | i tend to only either browse the net or read/write .doc's nowadays anyway on localhost, so speed doesn't really bother me anymore |
| 08:15.39 | Azundris | bilarh: But that's my UI. The bit that interfaces with me. So I need them to get the display right, and the keyboard. Which makes Apple a double #fail. Nice trackpads though. |
| 08:16.11 | bilarh | and i like apple :) |
| 08:16.27 | bilarh | the powerbooks are excellent imo |
| 08:16.30 | hali | yes, osx is quite nice |
| 08:16.42 | hali | im on a unibody 13" right now |
| 08:16.47 | bilarh | we bought one about 4 years ago now and it's been handed down to the bother in law |
| 08:16.51 | hali | best laptop ive ever owned, hands down |
| 08:16.51 | bilarh | and he's still using it to this day |
| 08:16.53 | Azundris | Dell can build a 15" with 1600x1200. Apple, apparently, can't. Also, it's glossy. I rest my case. :( |
| 08:17.10 | bilarh | glossy is a huge plus |
| 08:17.16 | bilarh | in my book |
| 08:17.16 | Azundris | Er, NO. |
| 08:17.22 | hali | screen res do suck on apple sometimes, mostly because they want people to buy bigger machines to get res |
| 08:17.30 | hali | im not bothered either way with gloss |
| 08:17.31 | Azundris | At home, where you control the lighting sitch, yes, maybe. |
| 08:17.40 | Azundris | But laptop = travel. |
| 08:18.01 | bilarh | clearly, you're just wrong ;) |
| 08:19.24 | Azundris | Look, I'm ... how do I put this? This machine's name is vanity. I wouldn't mind looking at myself in Apple's mirror all day, but the boss expects me to sometimes get work done. They're kinda weird that way. |
| 08:19.59 | bilarh | time to change bosses |
| 08:20.05 | Azundris | :-D |
| 08:20.14 | Azundris | You know someone who could make me an offer to that effect? :-D |
| 08:20.29 | bilarh | hmm, i don't know... i hardly ever travel with my laptop to be honest |
| 08:20.32 | Azundris | Preferably in LA, but London would work, too. :-D |
| 08:20.50 | bilarh | maybe we could swap |
| 08:21.02 | Azundris | Then why did you get a laptop? (I'm asking out of interest, as I'd much prefer a desktop if I didn't travel.) |
| 08:21.16 | bilarh | because i needed something for on call |
| 08:21.20 | bilarh | at work i've got a unix workstation |
| 08:21.24 | bilarh | well, linux |
| 08:22.06 | Azundris | But couldn't the on call machine be a desktop? (Not that you'd find that preferable, necessarily.) |
| 08:22.23 | bilarh | well |
| 08:22.29 | bilarh | i like my dual apple cinema displays |
| 08:22.42 | bilarh | and the laptop i have doesn't support more than 1600x12xx something |
| 08:22.50 | bilarh | and also, that'd mean carrying it around |
| 08:23.05 | bilarh | and it makes sense for me to have similar hardware on my desktop as the users |
| 08:23.51 | hali | i try to have slower hardware than our users (developers)... so i can say "but it's fast enough for me, go compile on a build server you lazy git' |
| 08:24.05 | Azundris | Totally agree on that last bit. Why carrying it around though? I read it as, "One deck at work, one at home for on call"? |
| 08:24.19 | bilarh | yep, that's what i've got now |
| 08:24.20 | Azundris | hali: That sounds cruel. :-D |
| 08:24.29 | bilarh | but i mean if i used it for my desktop, that'd mean lugging it around |
| 08:24.38 | bilarh | and then i'd probably need a company car :) |
| 08:27.17 | hali | bilarh: have you tried any r410/r510 dells? |
| 08:27.43 | bilarh | umm |
| 08:27.49 | bilarh | we've got a bunch of them somewhere |
| 08:28.19 | hali | any good compared to r610/r710? they aren't much cheaper |
| 08:29.18 | Azundris | It's late. I still don't get the lugging it around bit. :) |
| 08:30.07 | bilarh | hali: umm, i'm not sure to be honest... i don't use them myself |
| 08:30.15 | bilarh | hali: we just get 610's and 710s nowadays |
| 08:30.24 | bilarh | anything new that comes in is either those two or r900 |
| 08:31.08 | bilarh | azundris: never mind, i haven't had my coffee yet |
| 08:33.15 | Azundris | :-D |
| 08:33.20 | Azundris | Good idea, that. |
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| 08:52.20 | cityLights | ~seen antiphase |
| 08:52.22 | ibot | antiphase <n=ant@plasma.ossified.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2d 16h 14m 51s ago, saying: 'dick_turpin: Welcome to 10 years ago'. |
| 08:52.36 | cityLights | is there anyone alive here? |
| 08:52.40 | Leeds | nope |
| 08:52.47 | cityLights | o |
| 08:52.50 | cityLights | I am so happy |
| 08:52.57 | Leeds | what's her name? |
| 08:52.58 | cityLights | poring rain in the desert |
| 08:53.06 | Leeds | :) |
| 08:53.16 | Leeds | yeah, I heard that winter finally hit Israel today |
| 08:53.28 | cityLights | ok, I cam e on to ask for help with networking |
| 08:54.07 | cityLights | I saw the last of the six chapters all the truth about monty python |
| 08:54.10 | Leeds | go to parties, meet the right people, pass out business cards... |
| 08:54.21 | cityLights | exactly |
| 08:54.49 | cityLights | ok before I forget, where can I ask about layer 2 bridging? |
| 08:55.00 | cityLights | I am very new to bridging and read about it |
| 08:55.23 | cityLights | yet I can't ping a client from the bridge |
| 08:55.55 | cityLights | as for "her name" - that was good |
| 08:56.53 | cityLights | oh ya, I also need html assistence. |
| 08:57.26 | Azundris | It's the season. Rain in LA, too. |
| 08:57.58 | Azundris | Of course, we don't have the kinneret to refill. :-D |
| 08:58.07 | Leeds | not here - was 22C here yesterday and pushed 20C today, nice and sunny |
| 08:58.30 | cityLights | I mean it is not that cold here |
| 08:59.37 | cityLights | when I ask about bridging in openvpn channel - they told me not to ask there |
| 08:59.56 | Leeds | that was nice of them |
| 09:00.03 | cityLights | as for html - I am teaching kturtle to 12 year old |
| 09:01.23 | cityLights | wow, radio is telling there are flods everywhere - may not work today! |
| 09:01.25 | cityLights | damn it |
| 09:02.52 | cityLights | ok, back to html, I made a screen shot and have the program to draw it, yet when I just write it down it doesnt look good |
| 09:03.03 | cityLights | I first used oowriter |
| 09:03.28 | cityLights | so, how should I publish this? where can I find a CSS? |
| 09:09.51 | Leeds | yeah, I heard there were floods down in the aravah |
| 09:10.22 | Leeds | not quite sure what you mean by made a screen shot and the program to draw it |
| 09:10.26 | Leeds | a screenshot is just an image |
| 09:11.28 | Leeds | remember driving through a flood there in a bus once - was quite impressive |
| 09:11.54 | bilarh | what the... am i missing something completely obvious, or is there no option in kickstart to set the runlevel to anything but 3? |
| 09:12.10 | bilarh | without modifyting /etc/inittab directly in e.g. %post |
| 09:12.22 | hali | bilarh: you can get it start in 3 or 5 |
| 09:12.27 | hali | bilarh: if you configure X it defaults to 5 |
| 09:13.58 | bilarh | hmm |
| 09:14.03 | bilarh | i've got x installed |
| 09:14.20 | bilarh | ah balls.. |
| 09:14.33 | bilarh | i've got x installed, but i'm doing skipx ... |
| 09:14.34 | cityLights | back |
| 09:14.42 | hali | xconfig -startxonboot? |
| 09:14.50 | hali | -- even |
| 09:16.57 | cityLights | Leeds: right , I got a picture that shows a flower I draw with kturtle (a language like logo) |
| 09:16.59 | bilarh | hmm, i remember now.. i'm skipping x to install nvidia drivers \ |
| 09:16.59 | Leeds | I know logo well(ish) - I wrote a logo interpreter in BASIC when I was at school :) |
| 09:17.00 | bilarh | hali: is xconfig available on a normal redhat nowadays? |
| 09:17.00 | cityLights | Leeds: I also got the code I wrote to draw it, I now need to format it nice and add stuff, so the page looks better. how? |
| 09:17.01 | hali | bilarh: yes |
| 09:17.01 | Leeds | oh, format the code! |
| 09:17.01 | cityLights | well , not just that, I maen the page looks too emtpy |
| 09:17.15 | cityLights | I guess I can add the course name and a logo |
| 09:17.26 | Leeds | dunno, really - I tend to go for really plain and boring layouts, unless I'm starting with something and extending it |
| 09:18.19 | cityLights | so you think I shouldnt add a css? |
| 09:18.42 | cityLights | hali: can you help me with a 802.11d bridge? |
| 09:18.43 | Leeds | I think you should add a design and layout which is implemented in css, sure |
| 09:19.07 | cityLights | and where can I find a good css to work with |
| 09:19.14 | cityLights | I am new to this |
| 09:21.36 | bilarh | hali: i'm using our homegrown stupid crap and it obviously hasn't got it... ffs, i hate rubbish like this |
| 09:21.54 | Leeds | cityLights: if you're going to do it properly, you start with *a design and a layout* and implement it |
| 09:22.13 | Leeds | if you're just looking to do it quickly, find someone else's design that you like and let the css... inspire you |
| 09:22.47 | cityLights | so I should surf the net and find a similer design |
| 09:23.24 | cityLights | a for th bridge, I am destroying it all and trying to build it up manually again |
| 09:23.26 | Leeds | I think I gave you two options :) |
| 09:23.40 | cityLights | right |
| 09:23.41 | Leeds | I don't think they destroy the forth bridge, just paint it |
| 09:23.46 | cityLights | well ok |
| 09:24.31 | Leeds | (the forth bridge is a famous bridge, over the river forth, which is long enough that - at least according to the story - they are always painting it, because when they finish it's taken so long that it's time to start again) |
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| 10:10.08 | ChoHag | Bah. |
| 10:10.15 | ChoHag | Now I need to do weekly reports. |
| 10:10.21 | Azundris | About the horsies? |
| 10:10.48 | Azundris | Who does the chief of the clan chiefs report to? |
| 10:10.49 | ChoHag | "This week I spent an hour trying to remember what I did in order to write this report" |
| 10:10.58 | ChoHag | His wife. |
| 10:11.08 | Azundris | Hahaha, insightful +1 |
| 10:13.56 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: this is why I hacked up a script to email me what tickets I did every week :) |
| 10:15.10 | ChoHag | I don't do anything as easy to quantise as tickets though. |
| 10:15.34 | AndyMillar | sucks to be you then :) |
| 10:15.52 | ChoHag | "This week I spent all the time trying to work out what some brain-dead developer was thinking 15 years ago. The net result is a 16-line diff in SVN." |
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| 10:31.26 | cityLights | hi , how can I block dhcp requests using iptables? |
| 10:31.46 | cityLights | I bridged two subnets in two sites using openvpn in layer2 |
| 10:32.11 | cityLights | now I get replies to the client LAN from the server's dhcp server |
| 10:34.09 | antiphase | This is why bridging is a bad idea :) |
| 10:34.27 | antiphase | You need to use ebtables to manage traffic on bridges |
| 10:34.56 | ChoHag | Bridging isn't always a bad idea. |
| 10:35.05 | ChoHag | I find network switches to be quite useful, personally. |
| 10:36.45 | antiphase | Using things for their intended purpose? Madness! |
| 10:37.39 | cityLights | antiphase: googleing ebtables ... |
| 10:39.17 | cityLights | ebtables -I INPUT -i tap0 -p IPv4 --ip-protocol udp --ip-destination-port 67:68 -j DROP |
| 10:39.20 | cityLights | right? |
| 10:40.11 | antiphase | I don't know; I've never had any reason to do bridging before. Try it and see if it works |
| 10:40.44 | cityLights | I am a big fan of avahi - by now |
| 10:41.08 | cityLights | in other issue, does anyone use an ATI card with opengl? |
| 10:41.13 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 10:41.13 | antiphase | Ha ha |
| 10:41.17 | cityLights | it is very slow here.. |
| 10:41.18 | ChoHag | It crashes repeatedly. |
| 10:41.28 | ChoHag | Luckily I don't currently have a monitor for that box. |
| 10:42.01 | antiphase | I've got an X1600 card in this PC and it's fucking shit, like everything else ATi. I can't think of any other words to describe it adequately |
| 10:42.07 | cityLights | antiphase: I read about STP and it seems to solve most loops issues when briding |
| 10:42.11 | antiphase | 3fps for 3D stuff |
| 10:42.34 | cityLights | open source drivers? |
| 10:42.41 | antiphase | Are they finished yet? |
| 10:42.45 | cityLights | or ATI's own stuff? |
| 10:42.46 | ChoHag | Are there any graphics cards which don't suck? |
| 10:42.58 | antiphase | I'm using the ATi-provided binary driver from their webshite |
| 10:43.05 | cityLights | oh |
| 10:43.20 | antiphase | I've always had 100% success with nvidia cards. Not so good for the freetards, but I'm not one |
| 10:44.45 | ChoHag | Meh. They crash things randomly too. |
| 10:44.57 | ChoHag | Just not so often as ATi |
| 10:45.00 | ChoHag | . |
| 10:45.02 | z00dax | I've been mostly ok with the nvidia's as well, and tbh slightly better overall experience than with the ATI's |
| 10:45.02 | hali | on gentoo perhaps |
| 10:45.08 | hali | works well under ubuntu/centos |
| 10:46.15 | ChoHag | Also, when I used it back in whenever, their driver fucked about with my opengl header files and libraries, which made 3d development more fun than usual. |
| 10:46.17 | z00dax | although, my 'newest' display card is an 8600GT, and newest ati is a x1950, neither are very new so dont know what/how things have changed in the last year or so |
| 10:48.06 | antiphase | The nvidia driver/environment is very invasive, which is why it works |
| 10:48.22 | antiphase | I've got a GTX260 running perfectly under Debian at home |
| 10:48.32 | ChoHag | Anyway the only thing I really want from a graphics card is multi-head support without xrandr but which still lets me move windows from one screen to the other. |
| 10:49.04 | ChoHag | If it happens to render 3d screensavers without crashing, that's a bonus. |
| 10:49.56 | antiphase | I think 'ur doin sth rong' |
| 10:50.06 | AndyMillar | intel gfx cards :) |
| 10:50.36 | ChoHag | I have intel here. It doesn't support proper multihead, just xrandr shite. |
| 10:51.09 | ChoHag | So I have L-shaped moniters viewing a square desktop. Sometimes my mouse and/or windows get lost. |
| 10:51.24 | ChoHag | Also I have a vertical line of shared pixels where they join. |
| 10:52.06 | antiphase | I'll be interested to find out what multi-head stuff is like, because I've got a couple of new monitors turning up tomorrow |
| 10:52.25 | ChoHag | The only thing zaphod-mode dual head lacks is the ability to move windows between screens. |
| 10:53.04 | ChoHag | Failing that, I'd like at least ONE web browser to be able to display on separate screens simultaneously. |
| 10:54.06 | ChoHag | Everything else manages it. Why must web browsers be 'special'. |
| 10:54.26 | antiphase | Use Firefox on one and Chrome on the other :P |
| 10:55.29 | ChoHag | That would count as 'special'. |
| 10:57.36 | z00dax | I've never had a problem with multihead displays with either nvidia or ati in the last 3 years or so |
| 10:58.04 | z00dax | I've had 8 displays on a machine, at one point |
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| 11:04.32 | cityLights | works! |
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| 11:23.08 | ChoHag | What is the green stuff in an aero? |
| 11:23.14 | ChoHag | Is it chocolate or something ... else? |
| 11:23.17 | AndyMillar | mint |
| 11:23.21 | AndyMillar | flavoured stuffs |
| 11:24.21 | antiphase | Green-coloured white chocolate with mint flavour, one assumes |
| 11:32.38 | ChoHag | Mmm. |
| 11:32.41 | ChoHag | Green white chocolate. |
| 11:33.10 | wethrin | Green & Black's chocolate? |
| 11:33.31 | ChoHag | Only if it's an evil aero. |
| 11:34.49 | ChoHag | Is there a command to turn file foo from a link into a real file? |
| 11:35.04 | wethrin | cp, and dereference links? |
| 11:35.05 | ChoHag | Other than cp foo foo.tmp && rm foo && mv foo.tmp foo |
| 11:36.12 | antiphase | Doesn't your cp overwrite? |
| 11:36.48 | ChoHag | Not if you copy a file to itself. |
| 11:37.06 | ChoHag | cp: `gay' and `gay' are the same file |
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| 11:37.41 | ChoHag | Now With `GnuQuotes'! |
| 11:42.58 | antiphase | cp -f |
| 11:43.00 | antiphase | RTFM |
| 11:43.15 | antiphase | "if an existing destination file cannot be opened, remove it and try again" |
| 11:44.08 | ChoHag | That still doesn't do it. |
| 11:45.44 | antiphase | if [ -h file ]; ... |
| 11:46.18 | antiphase | now starts to wonder what Chef horror this is going to end up with |
| 11:46.29 | ChoHag | Oh it's not. I was just curious. |
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| 12:47.38 | dick_turpin | Afternoon All |
| 12:48.30 | antiphase | Your money or your life! |
| 12:48.55 | dick_turpin | antiphase: ello appy :-) |
| 12:49.18 | dick_turpin | H's deliberately dropped |
| 12:56.18 | Azundris | I think Hantiphase figured it out :) |
| 12:56.49 | bilarh | dick_turpin: retard! :) |
| 12:57.28 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I tank U |
| 12:57.50 | antiphase | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.51 | antiphase | | | | | |
| 12:57.52 | antiphase | | |_| | |
| 12:57.54 | antiphase | | _ | |
| 12:57.55 | antiphase | |_| |_| |
| 12:57.57 | antiphase | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.18 | ChoHag | h |
| 12:59.02 | cityLights | thats it for me |
| 12:59.08 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I don't get it? :-( |
| 12:59.16 | dick_turpin | Is it a face? |
| 12:59.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: see what you've done... it was probably something *you* said |
| 12:59.57 | antiphase | Spot the person using mIRC on Windows still |
| 13:00.08 | ChoHag | Is citylights really Rimmer? |
| 13:00.34 | dick_turpin | Nope Pidgin on Karmic |
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| 13:02.59 | sales | Oi antiphase do it again then I'm on irssi with this one |
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| 13:36.15 | sales | \q |
| 13:36.27 | sales | \quit |
| 13:36.35 | dick_turpin | Ahahaha |
| 14:36.17 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Ping |
| 14:37.53 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, he's in the cleanroom |
| 14:38.05 | bilarh | as in the shower? |
| 14:38.32 | dick_turpin | CYB has had a Sales brain wave! We are to sell Windows Home server to businesses (Cos its a cheaper option and we can make more money) FFS |
| 14:45.09 | ChoHag | That's the sort of intelligence that he needed to land a job in sales. |
| 14:51.45 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: No thats the sort of intelligence he needs to part own the company |
| 14:53.32 | ChoHag | Oh, yes, well. |
| 14:53.34 | ChoHag | There you go. |
| 15:01.36 | hali | bilarh: where was it you lived now again? |
| 15:02.01 | hali | the lady in control thinks we should move to east dulwich |
| 15:02.22 | antiphase | You could probably get better drugs there |
| 15:02.46 | hali | yes, im not overly keen on south east |
| 15:04.02 | z00dax | east dulwich isnt either too far east or south |
| 15:04.13 | z00dax | its still zone2 isnt it ? |
| 15:04.35 | z00dax | dont expect reasonable public transport |
| 15:04.57 | hali | decent mainline trains :/ |
| 15:04.59 | hali | nothing else |
| 15:05.13 | bilarh | the mainline trains are usually faster than the tube anyway |
| 15:05.20 | z00dax | true |
| 15:05.28 | bilarh | i'm in petts wood now |
| 15:05.31 | z00dax | but they are 4 or 5 an hour |
| 15:05.44 | bilarh | so are tubes if you go outside of zone 3 |
| 15:07.04 | z00dax | i drive outside zone 2:) |
| 15:09.20 | bilarh | useless for commuting |
| 15:09.25 | bilarh | plus hali doesn't drive :) |
| 15:11.03 | wethrin | dick_turpin: ayy? |
| 15:11.34 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I was expecting your stock answer TBH |
| 15:11.44 | wethrin | yarr |
| 15:13.05 | ChoHag | How can you let a user access an nfs4 share without any kerberos credentials? |
| 15:13.33 | wethrin | don't use kerberised NFS? |
| 15:13.39 | antiphase | What he said |
| 15:14.21 | wethrin | Anyone fancy spending at least a year doing sys- and network-admin stuff for the Physics depatment at Durham? |
| 15:14.42 | ChoHag | Will you pay enough? |
| 15:14.45 | wethrin | £36.5 - £43.6k/year |
| 15:15.34 | wethrin | which is perfectly livable in the Frozen North :) |
| 15:15.52 | Azundris | "North", eh |
| 15:16.09 | Azundris | I show 45 for London. |
| 15:16.38 | antiphase | Too many Geordies up there |
| 15:16.52 | wethrin | Eh. Durham's mostly full of southerners |
| 15:16.53 | gregj | 40k is plenty in north |
| 15:17.09 | gregj | in london it is just survival rate really |
| 15:17.21 | Azundris | Ah, $70,000, that's not so bad |
| 15:17.38 | antiphase | I used to survive quite happily on 25k when I started sysadmining in 2005 |
| 15:17.51 | antiphase | I can't believe our 2% inflation rate has done that much damage in 5 years |
| 15:18.15 | antiphase | You're just all greedy :P |
| 15:18.21 | wethrin | I reckon £30k is reasonably survivable in London |
| 15:18.52 | z00dax | £60k for a couple should be plenty! |
| 15:19.20 | bilarh | wethrin: if you live in council housing maybe |
| 15:19.23 | z00dax | even better if the other half of the couple made all of it |
| 15:19.35 | bilarh | z00dax: eh, how do you work that one out? |
| 15:19.37 | gregj | even tube drivers get around 40k in london |
| 15:19.37 | antiphase | Do you mean talk you talk to women? |
| 15:19.46 | antiphase | s/talk// |
| 15:20.24 | gregj | last offer I had in London was for 80k, but I decided to stay in NI |
| 15:20.27 | antiphase | Tube drivers aren't representative of anything apart from a greedy subterranean minority. The UK average wage is still in the low 20s, although I'm not sure what the London average would be |
| 15:20.40 | gregj | where I can rent full house for 450 |
| 15:20.47 | gregj | not just a tiny room :) |
| 15:21.02 | wethrin | As long as you're earning reasonably in NI :) |
| 15:21.17 | z00dax | bilarh: decent 2 bed place in a decent part of zone2, ~ 1400 to 1600 - thats the major cost |
| 15:23.48 | Azundris | *twitch* |
| 15:24.05 | antiphase | ONE MILLION DOLLARS |
| 15:24.13 | Azundris | wtf |
| 15:24.15 | Azundris | $2500? |
| 15:24.27 | Azundris | I rent for half that in a decent part of LA! |
| 15:24.40 | ChoHag | gregj: Abroad. |
| 15:24.44 | z00dax | Azundris: but you are not inside london there are you ? |
| 15:24.53 | gregj | ? |
| 15:25.03 | ChoHag | 15:20 < gregj> where I can rent full house for 450 |
| 15:25.07 | Azundris | z00dax: good point, the weather's also much better |
| 15:25.23 | z00dax | Azundris: you mean boring |
| 15:25.30 | gregj | ChoHag: well, true, but that's not the question. Question is where in UK :P |
| 15:25.48 | z00dax | mind, i do like the changes - but the last few weeks have been a bit on the extreme side |
| 15:26.40 | z00dax | ( i dont mean to imply that i like 'climate change', but more along the lines of a season should feel itself - a wintery winter and a summery summer ) |
| 15:26.44 | bilarh | z00dax: so what's that got to do with it being better if one half of the couple earnt all of it? |
| 15:27.06 | Azundris | z00dax: I'm quite content to pick a season I like, and then stick with it. :) |
| 15:27.18 | z00dax | bilarh: ah prolly nothing. |
| 15:28.31 | bilarh | zoodax: reason for asking is that i think they'd be worse off by quite a bit than if they both earned 30k |
| 15:28.51 | bilarh | z00dax: considering personal tax allowances and the higher rate tax of 40% |
| 15:28.54 | z00dax | true |
| 15:30.48 | z00dax | I was being more frivolous, than anything else |
| 15:32.28 | ChoHag | Is there a posix network fs which isn't nfs? |
| 15:32.35 | ChoHag | Not that I can change it now, but I probably will one day. |
| 15:32.56 | ChoHag | ... which isn't nfs and doesn't suck |
| 15:33.30 | wethrin | AFS? |
| 15:33.41 | wethrin | Oh. All network filesystems suck |
| 15:33.47 | wethrin | It's Law |
| 15:35.01 | z00dax | +1 |
| 15:35.33 | z00dax | I think pretty much every storage tech out there at the moment sucks in some way or the other, networked or not |
| 15:36.23 | hali | 10gE and NFS for the win! |
| 15:36.40 | wethrin | No. NFS is never for the win |
| 15:36.48 | ChoHag | heh |
| 15:37.00 | ChoHag | Thankyou wethrin. |
| 15:37.05 | ChoHag | I'm glad I'm not alone. |
| 15:43.01 | ChoHag | As it's mainly for $HOME, I considered some sort of windows-like roaming profile setup, but my home currently stands (well, wallows) at 30G. |
| 15:44.45 | antiphase | Why do you need roaming profiles for your house? |
| 15:45.06 | antiphase | You should be working 'in the cloud' |
| 15:45.17 | ChoHag | Well I do sometimes work in bed. |
| 15:45.30 | ChoHag | And often half asleep. |
| 15:45.39 | dick_turpin | Not from what I hear |
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| 15:53.26 | bilarh | ok so quick question |
| 15:53.38 | bilarh | if i've got a file open |
| 15:53.55 | bilarh | i can rm it, and still be able to read the contents from the open file handle, right? |
| 15:54.06 | bilarh | until i close the handle, at which point the inodes etc are released? |
| 15:54.53 | bilarh | answer, yes i can :) |
| 15:54.57 | Azundris | rm only removes the name, yes |
| 15:56.23 | antiphase | I imagine that it may become corrupted unless the file system protects the blocks used for the file until the last file handle is closed |
| 15:56.50 | bilarh | no i think the file isn't actually deleted by the fs driver until all file handles are closed |
| 15:56.54 | bilarh | well, that's what i'm hoping happens |
| 15:57.02 | bilarh | the filesystem still shows 100% full :) |
| 15:57.05 | antiphase | You shouldn't rely on it |
| 16:06.24 | ChoHag | Oh. It's 4. |
| 16:06.26 | ChoHag | Time to go. |
| 16:13.44 | AndyMillar | wonders who leaves at 4 |
| 16:27.28 | antiphase | Lazy contractor scum |
| 16:37.15 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: The 16:00 from Liverpool Street? |
| 16:41.32 | cpufreak | yo AndyMillar |
| 17:05.57 | hali | cpufreak: have you done any power usage measurements on idle/full workloads? |
| 17:06.32 | hali | tesing an r710 (2xX5550) and it goes up with about .3 amps when i compile apache... thought it would be more difference |
| 17:07.00 | hali | it does apache in about 14 secs.. quite ok |
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| 17:12.21 | antiphase | How fast does it do a 2.4 kernel or Gentoo stage 1? |
| 17:20.18 | andrewblack | reminds me of a call I had onece. "My disk is full". "Why dodn';t you delete some files then" |
| 17:20.56 | andrewblack | (ignore that - replying to something ages agon....) |
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| 17:37.17 | gregj | why people in northern ireland are so daft... |
| 17:37.24 | gregj | I can understand that they don't use blinking indicators |
| 17:37.35 | gregj | but they are pissing all over the highway code , art 243 |
| 17:39.44 | antiphase | o.O |
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| 20:48.06 | gregj | http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=19928 |
| 20:54.44 | wethrin | Hehe |
| 20:54.44 | wethrin | FAIL |
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