| 00:07.07 | rhowe | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html |
| 00:24.15 | Leeds | yup |
| 00:25.24 | z00dax | its interesting |
| 00:25.59 | z00dax | there are also two sides to it really. i dont think its really unreasonable to expect to haveto adhere to local laws and custom when operating in the area |
| 00:27.08 | Leeds | but in return, they should get more respect from the government |
| 00:27.31 | Leeds | I love the standard "this is a complaint against the government, not the people - we love the people!" comment :) |
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| 00:28.31 | z00dax | not sure about respect |
| 00:28.45 | z00dax | they should get the same level of respect as everyone else, yes |
| 00:29.18 | z00dax | I've not been to China so dont know about conditions there, but I've lived in the UK for a few years now - just over 9 and I know about the US, lived there as well for a bit. |
| 00:29.57 | z00dax | and neither the UK nor the US are really 'free' countries. and I dont mean totally 'free' as in the theoretical free ( cause tbh, the only place on earth to get that level of free is the backwaters of somalia ) |
| 00:31.09 | z00dax | on the other hand, if i was stopped by the cops on the street - the UK is ( and i mean this by a FAR FAR margin ) one place where I'd have the highest level of 'judicial fairness' expectations. |
| 00:31.10 | Leeds | in a 'true liberty' sense, of course not |
| 00:31.50 | z00dax | not sure if that last statement makes sense. but you get the idea |
| 00:33.10 | z00dax | I've spent 5 hrs in a 72 hr session spread across various roadsides, cars, walls and been frisked down by cops in New York |
| 00:33.50 | Leeds | unless you happen to be an 11-year-old child taken along to an environmental protest by your mother, or *ahem* are brown |
| 00:34.29 | z00dax | true, there are stories. but I'm just going on personal experience. |
| 00:35.07 | z00dax | the only reason why we were always getting stopped and always being told to get out of the car and lay on the roadside in the US : an israeli, an arab, an indian and an australian - what are you guys all doing in the same car ? |
| 00:35.12 | Leeds | problem is that the Chinese government has plenty of laws on the books that they can use against dissidents, but they don't even bother |
| 00:35.23 | z00dax | it only got worse when they used to realise we all had the same address |
| 00:35.31 | Leeds | z00dax: to which you answer "we're practicing for a joke" |
| 00:36.04 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.00 | z00dax | Leeds: i guess the definition of 'dessident' itself will vary from region to region |
| 00:38.34 | Leeds | it's quite clear in China |
| 00:38.47 | z00dax | tru |
| 00:38.50 | z00dax | +e |
| 00:39.18 | Leeds | although apparently the rule is that you can get away reasonably easily with criticising local government, and even policies of the central government, but not the party or its one-party rule |
| 00:39.54 | z00dax | so basically, the party protecting itself and everyone knows that |
| 00:40.15 | z00dax | but is there much difference in the party line and the govt policy ? |
| 00:43.09 | Leeds | well, no - the party is the government |
| 00:43.38 | Leeds | point is you can criticise individual/certain policies - but not the government or party itself |
| 00:44.27 | z00dax | ah |
| 01:15.13 | rhowe | Google's approach is ewird |
| 01:15.14 | rhowe | weird |
| 01:15.43 | rhowe | Aren't they only #2 in China when it comes to search engines? baidu or something is bigger? |
| 01:16.28 | Leeds | yeah, baidu is much much bigger |
| 01:18.52 | rhowe | So maybe google's just realised they haven't got enough of an edge with the current offerring and this gave them a good nail to hang their ultimatum on |
| 01:23.20 | Leeds | sure, lots of reasons... still a pretty bold move |
| 01:23.47 | Leeds | and one which I'm sure was taken with at least the tacit approval of US officials |
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| 08:12.28 | ChoHag | Bloody SWT have decided to shut down for the day again. |
| 08:15.39 | ChoHag | Does anyone else get spam trying to sell lists of dictors and dentists to spam? |
| 09:00.50 | antiphase | I'll give you £2.50 for Nikolai Ceaucescu |
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| 10:54.01 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 10:54.17 | AndyMillar | anyone know why order is important in bash output redirection? |
| 10:54.31 | bilarh_ | yeah because of the dup system call :) |
| 10:54.32 | bilarh_ | hth :) |
| 10:54.59 | bilarh_ | and because redirection is parsed left to right |
| 10:55.04 | AndyMillar | bilarh_: got any documentation about that? |
| 10:55.31 | bilarh_ | man dup and man dup2 only, i'm afraid |
| 10:55.44 | bilarh_ | there's (somewhat strangely) some in andrew tannenbaums "unix network programming" books too if you've got tehm lying about |
| 10:55.55 | bilarh_ | what do you need to know? |
| 10:56.31 | AndyMillar | hmm, where in that book, it's on my desk :p |
| 10:56.47 | bilarh_ | ah, can't remember what chapter exactly, but i think it's somewhere to the front part :) |
| 10:56.54 | AndyMillar | oh, we're just arguing about it, as the order seems counter-intuitive |
| 10:56.59 | bilarh_ | in the introductions he's playing around a lot with dup |
| 10:57.01 | antiphase | I bet it's somewhere between the front and back cover |
| 10:57.07 | AndyMillar | i.e. >/file 2>&1 instead of 2>&1 > file |
| 10:57.08 | bilarh_ | well, not really |
| 10:57.39 | bilarh_ | no because you're redirecting 2 to whatever 1 is pointing at at the time, no? |
| 10:57.52 | bilarh_ | then if you change whatever 1 is pointing at, it shouldn't affect 2, imo |
| 10:58.13 | bilarh_ | as it's a copy, not a link to the "fd in memory" kind of thing, for lack of a better word |
| 10:58.20 | AndyMillar | ahh |
| 10:58.23 | antiphase | There's always &>file |
| 10:58.27 | antiphase | RTFmanpage |
| 11:03.57 | AndyMillar | has read it :) |
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| 11:04.37 | bilarh_ | wtf.. why is my finger yellow all of a sudden |
| 11:04.45 | bilarh_ | i can't remember touching anything yellow for a long time |
| 11:05.10 | bilarh_ | jaundice :S |
| 11:06.02 | AndyMillar | :/ |
| 11:20.09 | cpufreak | anyone else here running DL785-G6s ? |
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| 13:30.00 | dick_turpin | Afternoon All |
| 13:30.13 | bilarh_ | afternoon |
| 13:31.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I can go home at 4pm \o/ |
| 13:31.48 | bilarh_ | how come? |
| 13:32.11 | dick_turpin | Snow is starting to build up here :-) |
| 13:32.48 | dick_turpin | Took me 1Hour 20mins to do a trip that should take 15-20mins |
| 13:38.50 | bilarh_ | brilliant :) |
| 13:38.56 | bilarh_ | so you'll be home at the same time as usual then :) |
| 13:39.23 | dick_turpin | I slid backwards down this stupid hill six times :-( |
| 13:39.55 | bilarh_ | you'd think you'd learn not to climb it after 2-3 times :P |
| 13:41.37 | dick_turpin | That was in my car! All I needed was a good run at it course every time I set off the idiots behind moved forward shortening my runway! |
| 13:42.50 | bilarh_ | i love when that happens |
| 13:43.00 | bilarh_ | the general public are such morons |
| 13:43.00 | antiphase | Driving fail |
| 13:43.17 | bilarh_ | try using a higher gear next time |
| 13:43.19 | bilarh_ | or is that lower |
| 13:43.19 | antiphase | Driving up a hill that you're going to slide back down is braindead |
| 13:43.22 | bilarh_ | "2-3" :) |
| 13:44.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Its called determination, going the extra mile, making the effort, failure is not an option |
| 13:44.36 | antiphase | Sliding into some other fool's car is distinctly an option though |
| 13:44.58 | bilarh_ | he'd likely hit them with his boot, so he could say they drove into him :) |
| 13:45.07 | bilarh_ | not that i'd advise that, of course |
| 13:45.37 | dick_turpin | Course antiphase would have been one of those drivers behind me "TFF he's moving, whats his problem? I need to get to work! Get out my f'ing way" |
| 13:46.44 | antiphase | I'd not have been driving |
| 13:47.27 | dick_turpin | Why you banned or summink? |
| 13:47.52 | antiphase | Never even been stopped by the pigs |
| 13:48.23 | dick_turpin | Yet :-P |
| 13:48.25 | antiphase | I'm not going to trash my car trying to get to work in unsuitable conditions |
| 13:49.29 | dick_turpin | Meh its cos they've not gritted that's all, the snow is constant but its that thin wispy stuff |
| 13:49.34 | antiphase | I might consider snow driving in an old Land Rover with narrow tyres with lots of tread on them, but modern cars with road-going tyres just don't work on snow |
| 13:49.44 | bilarh_ | well |
| 13:49.50 | bilarh_ | i'd say modern high performance cars |
| 13:50.01 | bilarh_ | if you have a cheapo car like a clio for example, they still have 175 tyres |
| 13:50.15 | bilarh_ | they work a load better than 225's etc which are common on the "prestige" brands |
| 13:50.23 | dick_turpin | Yeah he is right my tyres are very wide with minimal tread |
| 13:50.39 | bilarh_ | i've yet to get stuck in the clio, and i do a lot of miles and on really small backroads with big inclines |
| 13:51.06 | antiphase | I got stuck in Tesco car park the other day on some snow that was left in a few places |
| 13:51.15 | antiphase | On almost flat ground |
| 13:51.34 | bilarh_ | i'm usually more worried going down hill than up hill to be honest :) |
| 13:52.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Renault Laguna |
| 13:53.34 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: it's quite a big car i bet |
| 13:53.39 | bilarh_ | with over size tyres |
| 13:53.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Yeah |
| 13:54.31 | dick_turpin | It would have got up there if I could have got a run at it but I did not have enough flat to build up momentum |
| 13:54.48 | bilarh_ | was it a steep hill |
| 13:54.49 | bilarh_ | ? |
| 14:01.04 | dick_turpin | Um, like that, see what I mean? ;-) |
| 14:01.14 | bilarh_ | ah yes |
| 14:01.27 | dick_turpin | Not too bad is it? |
| 14:02.04 | bilarh_ | no not really |
| 14:02.07 | dick_turpin | I would have said steepish but not as bad as Biggin Hill |
| 14:02.20 | bilarh_ | should easily be able to get up there :) |
| 14:02.23 | bilarh_ | ah biggin hill |
| 14:02.26 | bilarh_ | that's where i go past :) |
| 14:04.25 | dick_turpin | Really? |
| 14:04.46 | dick_turpin | My uncle lives at the bottom of there Sunnigvale Ave |
| 14:05.03 | dick_turpin | Sunningvale even |
| 14:09.39 | bilarh_ | i go past it, not through :) |
| 14:10.12 | dick_turpin | Do you go past the airfield? Is the Hurricane and Spitfire still there? |
| 14:10.24 | bilarh_ | no i turn off before that |
| 14:11.09 | dick_turpin | Ah got ya, I actually know that road, well I did up till 1980 :-/ |
| 14:11.26 | bilarh_ | ah 1980 |
| 14:11.33 | bilarh_ | i was 2 months old then :) |
| 14:11.36 | bilarh_ | for a while |
| 14:12.02 | wethrin | bilarh_'s an old fart |
| 14:12.14 | dick_turpin | I was dating a gorgeous blonde :-) |
| 14:12.42 | dick_turpin | Till I cocked it all up outside a pub in Windsor |
| 14:13.01 | wethrin | what did you do? |
| 14:13.48 | dick_turpin | Told her to stop being a mardy cow and if she didn't like my friends to bugger off home! She did :-( |
| 14:13.58 | wethrin | oops |
| 14:14.25 | dick_turpin | Yeah I really really regretted that one |
| 14:15.21 | wethrin | did you see her after that? |
| 14:15.22 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: and here i am again :D |
| 14:15.39 | dick_turpin | wethrin: For a bit but the rot had set in |
| 14:15.55 | antiphase | Not knobrot I hope |
| 14:16.29 | wethrin | ugh. Unmotivated. |
| 14:16.30 | dick_turpin | antiphase: No that was another girl :-) |
| 14:16.34 | wethrin | only 2 more weeks, though... |
| 14:16.43 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Til? |
| 14:16.44 | wethrin | dick_turpin sure knows how to pick 'em! |
| 14:16.47 | dick_turpin | Till? |
| 14:16.58 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Until the end of my contract, and FREEDOM! |
| 14:17.38 | dick_turpin | Graon another Social Security scrounging leeche |
| 14:17.44 | dick_turpin | Groan |
| 14:17.56 | wethrin | hey, it's cheaper for you lot if I'm dolescum than if I'm employed |
| 14:18.06 | wethrin | what with me working at a University and therefore taxpayer-funded |
| 14:19.17 | dick_turpin | want a little phone call story? |
| 14:19.36 | wethrin | oh go on |
| 14:20.04 | dick_turpin | OK but I need to set the scene |
| 14:20.19 | wethrin | okay, while you're doing that, I shall nip into the cleanroom and get some work done |
| 14:20.34 | wethrin | and I shall read it all when I get back onto the interwebent |
| 14:20.50 | dick_turpin | Keep in mind there is only three of us in and only one of those is CYB |
| 14:21.39 | dick_turpin | "Hello you wiped my laptop last week and re-installed my bluetooth is not working" |
| 14:21.51 | dick_turpin | Bluetooth for what? |
| 14:22.08 | dick_turpin | "My phone I used to be able to read my contacts" |
| 14:22.21 | dick_turpin | Ah its probably the phone software |
| 14:22.34 | dick_turpin | "What do you mean?" |
| 14:23.40 | dick_turpin | Did you have a disc with the phone? "Erm" Everyone gets a disc with their phone! "Oh yes" Have you installed it? "Yes" then I reckon thats the problem |
| 14:24.34 | dick_turpin | "Can you help me?" Not at the minute "But I want to look at it now!" Well switch your phone on and have a look then! Sheesh! |
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| 16:14.09 | ChoHag | You'd think if someone was going to copy apt, they'd make it not suck. |
| 16:14.26 | ChoHag | Error: Missing Dependency: procallator is needed by package gold-image-utils-1.43-1.noarch (installed) |
| 16:14.29 | ChoHag | Package procallator-0.27_betfair0.2-1.noarch already installed and latest version |
| 16:27.00 | wethrin | wheeeee, dependency hell |
| 16:27.07 | wethrin | and people complain about Windows' dll hell.... |
| 16:27.46 | ChoHag | Meh. DLL hell is nothing compared to that sort of nonsense. |
| 16:27.56 | wethrin | Yeah. DLL hell is resolvable |
| 16:45.35 | z00dax | ChoHag: run that with a -d 7; you likely have that package being removed or obsoleted by something else in the pkgsack |
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| 16:48.12 | ChoHag | It was conflicted with apparently. |
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