IRC log for #gllug on 20091203

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07:59.43AndyMillarmornin
08:50.50zeroXtenmorning
08:55.40Mohanmorning
09:20.05wethrinspots that rhowe is being very trendy with his IPv6ness
09:44.55AndyMillarneesd to fix his ipv6ness at some point
09:47.21cpufreakipv6 is so 2001.
09:47.37wethrinIPv8 is the new IPv6?
09:53.14cpufreakno  no n o
09:53.24cpufreakIPv64
09:54.14wethrinUgh. Need some motivation to drag my arse down to the lab
09:55.31cpufreakits a new project which is expected to quickly supercede IPv6 as the next generation IP addressing protocol. It fixes many of the implementation issues of IPv6, and makes addresses infinitely more memorable by reverting to dotted quads, except using a alphanumeric character set for numbering rather than just decimal.
09:56.03wethrinThe implementation issues being that nothing supports it yet?
09:56.25wethrin(I know it's only been about 8-10 years or so. But you can't rush these things)
09:56.29cpufreakhehe
10:06.47halimorning
10:28.38z00daxmoin
10:29.35z00daxwethrin: google/facebook/twitter are all on ipv6 - what else does one need these days ?
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10:36.42halislashdot?
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10:37.04cityLightshi all
10:37.14cityLightsyes yes yes, long time since I have been here
10:38.26cityLightswell, let me ask more linux wisdem
10:38.30cityLightswisdom
10:39.28cityLightshow can I run a python program that acts as a webserver as a normal user?
10:39.31z00daxhali: via google.com/reader :)
10:39.55z00daxcityLights: use a high port number ?
10:40.16cityLightsport 80
10:40.37cityLightscan any user open ports/sockets?
10:40.59z00daxyou might want to read up on the idea of privileged ports
10:41.00cityLightsor does the kernel enforces a security on this?
10:41.03antiphaseNot if the port number is below 1024
10:41.14cityLightshi antiphase
10:41.15cityLightsthanks
10:42.04antiphaseIf you're really evil, you use iptables NAT redirects to direct traffic to another port so you can run a process as a normal user and offer it on a privileged port
10:43.36cityLights(I am really love mythtv)
10:44.00cityLightsantiphase: ok, so the common ports as 21 22 and 80 are privladged
10:44.17Mohancan a normal user add rules to iptables ?
10:44.20cityLightswhile other ports >1024 are allocated dinamicly
10:44.31cityLightsMohan: no way
10:45.25cityLightsantiphase: so the way it is originized, is that only special users can use privladge ports for well known applications, while
10:45.50cityLightsNormal users can only open >1024 ports?
10:45.55antiphaseYou might be well-advised to take z00dax's advice and read a bit about it
10:46.03cityLightsso to increase security?
10:46.32cityLightsok, let me just ask this
10:46.35antiphaseI suppose you could say that
10:46.50Mohanwonders how can a normal user redirect traffic from privileged ports..
10:47.04cityLightsif I decide to open port 2000, can a client find this without me telling him?
10:47.22z00daxMohan: step-1) take the machine admin out for a beer
10:47.31cityLights:-)
10:47.52antiphaseA client?
10:48.10MohancityLights: Though you run a service on port 2000, if your firewall has implicit deny rule enabled
10:48.14haliyou can have an iptables rule to redirect an high port to a low, or even better, reverse proxy your app
10:48.32Mohanunless that port is opened explicitly, you cant provide the service.
10:48.45antiphaseToo many n00bs spoils the broth
10:49.16cityLightsyes, assuming I got no firewall, and I run the server on port 2000. can a attacker find this open port and slam me?
10:51.16Mohanhali: I understand that, but just wanted to know if that is something possible to do by an unprivileged user.
10:52.18Mohanz00dax: since I am the admin I follow step 1 regularly on weekends :P
10:54.45z00daxMohan: good plan
11:09.47z00daxah joy, glibc update
11:24.41cityLightsok
11:24.44cityLightsbye for now
11:50.02wethrinz00dax: I think one needs the intermediate routers to actually support it too :)
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11:53.35z00daxwethrin: minor details!
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12:12.23dick_turpinAfternoon All
12:13.02wethrinoioi
12:13.14dick_turpinwethrin: Ello
12:16.15wethrinGot a real job yet?
12:17.32dick_turpinDo you mean one where you get appreciated on numerous levels not only for competency but as a human being as well as an employee?
12:18.45wethrinyeah
12:19.00dick_turpinNo ;-(
12:19.05wethrinoh
12:20.28dick_turpinTBH I would be surprised if I got it, I'm too far away working from home may now not be an option and I think my age is against me even though I can walk the job
12:22.46wethrinThey're not allowed to discriminate on age
12:23.37dick_turpinwethrin: Oh you young impressionable fool, how you gonna prove different?
12:24.19dick_turpinOther than bugging the office?
12:26.05dick_turpinTBH I'd be happy to travel down every day, OK it would be a long day but that's not a problem its the travel cost that would be a killer it just wouldn't be worth it
12:27.13wethrinDepends on how much they pay you
12:28.00dick_turpinYeah I reread the email it does say *Minimum £35K*
12:28.36dick_turpinQuestion is am I worth £135K?
12:28.46bilarhdick_turpin: get a cheap diesel, and bobs your uncle
12:28.54bilarhyour special uncle
12:29.09dick_turpinbilarh: But I love my 1.8 Laguna
12:29.21bilarhoh you sad idiot, a laguna :D
12:29.41bilarhis on a charm offensive
12:29.51bilarhor is it just offensive?
12:30.10dick_turpinI've had 3 Laguna's and a Renault 17 :-)
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12:31.40dick_turpinbilarh: When I was moaning about the cold on Monday and the fact that by the time I get to work the car has *just* warmed up
12:32.10dick_turpinbilarh: One of my engineers said "Well that cos you drive round in a f'ecking front room"
12:32.19bilarhhehe :D
12:33.29j0nrhey all, in subversion, can i view all the revision logs? i.e. what text was added as a comment when commiting?
12:33.41AndyMillaryes
12:33.43AndyMillar"svn log"
12:34.23j0nrah...it was too obvious
12:34.55dick_turpinwethrin: Its 144 mile by car apparently :-(
12:35.03dick_turpinOne way!
12:35.08wethrinIt'll give your car a chance to warm up, then
12:35.25dick_turpinwethrin: Bar-steward
12:35.33wethrinyw
12:35.35dick_turpinrotflmao
12:36.03dick_turpinI wonder how much a season ticket is?
12:36.14j0nrAndyMillar: cheers, perfect
12:37.56AndyMillarnp
12:41.16dick_turpinwethrin: Ooh hang on the Peterborough office is 94 mile that's a bit better
12:51.40dick_turpinOh dear they are gonna reboot the server :-(
12:52.40wethrinheh
12:56.37AndyMillardick_turpin: which server?
12:56.59dick_turpinSBS :-P
12:57.08AndyMillarah
12:57.09AndyMillargood luck
12:57.58dick_turpinWith this lot we need a miracle not luck
13:03.16dick_turpinAhahahahaha So they reboot the server but forgot about our remote worker in Wales "Hello Pete is there a problem up there?"
13:06.22AndyMillar:p
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13:26.48AndyMillarwins
13:26.51AndyMillarhdd has been replaced
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14:02.36dick_turpinAnd we are back but dhcp its still borked
15:01.42dick_turpinrubs his hands together and warms himself on the growing fire about to start on the mailing list
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15:08.55ChoHagHow do you warm yourself on a fire that's about to start?
15:11.17boudiccasyou cup your hands round a match
15:12.12antiphaseOMG ONLY 22k I wouldn't get out of bed for less than 3 times that Where is it anyway I'm not applying for jobs that don't publish the CEO's waist size and sexual preferences Windows sucks OMG
15:14.13ChoHagCheese.
15:14.14dick_turpinChoHag: Its the thought that counts :-)
15:22.35AndyMillarheh
15:32.39dick_turpinChoHag: Are we supposed to discuss cheese here or on the list?
15:33.11boudiccason the list
15:33.26boudiccasme? i prefer stilton
15:33.44DiscordianUKi like gorgonzola
15:33.55ChoHagThe list. We have a /topic here.
15:34.11dick_turpinantiphase: What about 23K and a penchant for rubber?
15:34.29boudiccasgogonzola always reminds me of vomit from it smell
15:34.41antiphaseNot my style, but I'm sure there are some PHP programmers that would do it
15:35.08dick_turpinChoHag: Now hang on Topic is a chocolate bar I thought we was discussing cheese?
15:38.07dick_turpinantiphase: Is that a PHP programmer with MySQL, Python, Samba and Air traffic controller experience?
15:38.18ChoHagRandom people have come to sit on the desk next to me and talk about shit.
15:39.28dick_turpinthrows his hands up in the air at ChoHag's constant subject changes Cheese, Topic and now Shit
15:40.30boudiccasctaches dick_turpin's hands as they come down and runs off with them
15:40.40boudiccas*catches
15:41.17dick_turpinruns after boudiccas waving two bloody stumps
15:41.27boudiccaslol
15:41.32ChoHagBah.
15:41.38ChoHagI've destroyed my VM and I can't get it back.
15:45.55AndyMillarhmm, 23k :/
15:47.04dick_turpinAndyMillar: Bwahahaha
16:10.02AndyMillardick_turpin?
16:10.23dick_turpin(15:45:55) AndyMillar: hmm, 23k :/
16:10.34AndyMillarand?
16:10.38dick_turpin(15:34:10) dick_turpin: antiphase: What about 23K and a penchant for rubber?
16:11.05dick_turpinI presume you was considering it, not for the money of course ;-)
16:11.24AndyMillarhell no :-p
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17:10.04rhowehttp://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/
17:10.13rhoweheh, anyone trust Google to know every name they lookup?
17:10.26DiscordianUKYeah just saw that
17:18.55haliworld domination
17:19.03haliyour resolve belongs to us
17:19.35DiscordianUKheh 8.8.8.8 is easy to remember though
17:28.41haligoogle bought the space from level3 though
17:28.57haliboth class-c's
17:29.09antiphaseFail
17:29.42antiphaseClass C space was /24 assigned from 192.0.0.0-223.255.255.255
17:30.02antiphaseIt's 20 years since address space was classful
17:30.56haliblabla
17:31.18haliboth /24's
17:35.29AndyMillarisn't level3's 4.4.4.2?
17:35.52halithey own both
17:35.56halino idea what their dns is
17:35.57AndyMillarah :)
17:36.06halibastards owning two /8's
17:36.17haliplus more smaller prefixes
17:39.00AndyMillari find my own easy to remember
17:48.27Mohanthere is one @ 4.2.2.2
17:51.04antiphaseand 3,4,5,6
17:52.55MohanFail its not working.
17:58.43Mohanand 4.2.2.1
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22:00.55ChoHagHmmm.
22:01.04ChoHagC&W or BT.
23:07.12z00daxanyone using one fo the the new tyan 3U chasis with 9 sata disks ?
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