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| 07:59.11 | ChoHag | Morning. |
| 07:59.51 | DiscordianUK | Morning |
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| 08:38.26 | Leeds | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8352606.stm |
| 08:38.39 | Leeds | Valerie Singleton. Linux computer for old people |
| 08:39.19 | ChoHag | 'More than 6 million people over the age of 65 have never used the internet' |
| 08:39.27 | ChoHag | Meh. Just wait a while and they'll all be dead. |
| 08:40.39 | Leeds | the NHS will kill them - that's what it does, apparently |
| 08:40.58 | ChoHag | Well what else do we pay it for |
| 08:40.59 | ChoHag | ? |
| 08:41.54 | Leeds | don't ask me, I haven't paid for it for years |
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| 09:51.05 | Mohan | morning |
| 09:56.47 | zeroXten | morning |
| 09:56.56 | DiscordianUK | ning |
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| 10:43.41 | Mohan | Is there a way to emulate multiple browsers on a linux box ? |
| 10:44.22 | Mohan | I am looking for something like a browser sanbox. (http://spoon.net/Browsers/) |
| 10:44.33 | Mohan | which would work on linux though. |
| 10:46.06 | ChoHag | Yeah - qemu. |
| 10:54.11 | ChoHag | The best I can get out of this randr crap is a huge desktop spanning two screens. |
| 10:54.12 | ChoHag | Surely if that's what people wanted they'd just buy a big screen? |
| 10:54.42 | wethrin | bah. "This service is unavailable on your browser" |
| 10:54.44 | wethrin | How rubbish. |
| 10:55.00 | wethrin | One desktop spanning two screens is the standard way of doing it |
| 10:55.16 | ChoHag | Is that the modern equivalent of "This web page is best viewed on my browser running on my workstation"? |
| 10:55.40 | ChoHag | Just because it's standard doesn't mean it's any good. |
| 10:55.42 | wethrin | probably |
| 10:55.47 | wethrin | how would you do it? |
| 10:56.02 | wethrin | There may be good reasons for having one very wide desktop, rather than something that's both wide and high |
| 10:56.02 | ChoHag | Two independent desktops. |
| 10:56.15 | ChoHag | After all, I have two independent screens. |
| 10:56.27 | wethrin | And then you have to switch control between them, no? |
| 10:56.45 | ChoHag | That would be done by moving the mouse and changing the focus. |
| 10:57.44 | ChoHag | The way it used to be done when $DISPLAY was ':SERVER.SCREEN'. |
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| 11:10.50 | antiphase | If you're using a shit ATi card like I am, it can't do anything other than spanning without some hack |
| 11:10.58 | antiphase | ATi are just such wanky crap |
| 11:11.32 | wethrin | Eh, in a couple of years time, it'll be nvidia that has the wanky crap. And a few years after that, it'll be ATI again |
| 11:18.02 | ChoHag | I understand intel make the generally less wanky chip. |
| 11:18.08 | ChoHag | That's what's in this laptop. |
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| 11:45.34 | ChoHag | "This final version will contain only a single button. When the user pushes it, it pops up a beautifully anti-aliased text box on a white screen telling the user to use a pen and a piece of paper to do their work and to shut their computer off." |
| 11:45.50 | ChoHag | Gnome 3. |
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| 12:06.40 | hali | what do people here generally do for swap on larger systems? |
| 12:06.45 | hali | 64gb+ boxes |
| 12:06.56 | hali | ram+2gb seems a bit excessive |
| 12:07.44 | ChoHag | half a gig or a gig is usually sufficient |
| 12:07.51 | hali | based on? |
| 12:07.52 | ChoHag | (On a non-serious box anyway) |
| 12:08.01 | ChoHag | Certainly nothing more finely granular than that. |
| 12:08.10 | hali | 64gb+ is usually quite serious :) |
| 12:08.15 | ChoHag | Based on a wild guess and the fact that hard drives are dirt cheap. |
| 12:08.25 | ChoHag | Oh I didn't see the 'larger systems' but. |
| 12:08.26 | ChoHag | bit |
| 12:08.51 | ChoHag | I guess it depends what you've got 64GB boxes for. |
| 12:09.01 | hali | usally oracle |
| 12:09.27 | ChoHag | Well they shouldn't swap much. |
| 12:09.55 | ChoHag | But err on the side of caution because drives are cheap. |
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| 12:26.02 | dick_turpin | wethrin: See what you started, that 'Take a look at my photos on Facebook' thread just goes on and on. I'm not even reading it anymore |
| 12:42.39 | AndyMillar | hali: tbh, if you're swapping you're fucked, so I'd go with a few GB |
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| 12:49.51 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Get the kleenex out http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=6310 sfw |
| 12:50.36 | hali | i wouldn't swapping per say is bad... as long as there isn't excessing pagein/pageout |
| 12:50.42 | dick_turpin | How can I make ibot fetch the latest from http://www.peopleofwalmart.com ? |
| 12:50.58 | hali | plus it could affect memory management in general i guess |
| 12:52.12 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: oh god |
| 12:53.20 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Are you in love? |
| 12:53.41 | AndyMillar | maybe, but not with her |
| 12:55.20 | dick_turpin | She probably has a beautiful mind |
| 12:56.51 | ChoHag | Better out than in. |
| 13:21.17 | Mohan | anyone familiar with windows 2003 server licensing ? will i be able to have 20 Terminal Server user on a windows 2003 standard server? |
| 13:21.48 | ChoHag | If you sell enough of your children you will. |
| 13:22.41 | dick_turpin | MoI think you'll need 15 CAL's |
| 13:23.00 | dick_turpin | Mohan: I think you'll need 15 CAL's |
| 13:23.21 | dick_turpin | 2003 will come with 5 as standard |
| 13:23.21 | antiphase | 1 MILLION DOLLARS |
| 13:23.41 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Yes please you lovely man |
| 13:23.42 | antiphase | You'll need to have 20 licences for all the things you want the 20 people to use as well of course |
| 13:23.44 | Mohan | dick_turpin: should i buy 15 CAL'S or 15 TS CAL's ? |
| 13:24.02 | ChoHag | "You may not use this piece of equipment you've bought because ... you may not." |
| 13:24.30 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: No you can use the equipment you may not abuse the software |
| 13:26.53 | dick_turpin | Mohan: Its up to you, if you think you'll only be using TS connections then its 20 required although I'm not sure how it works with the 5 you have with 2003 and the additional 15 TS ones |
| 13:27.32 | antiphase | Or maybe ask your M$ reseller who probably knows more about it than a Linux IRC channel |
| 13:27.43 | dick_turpin | Mohan: On the other hand as a salesman I'd persuade you to buy the full 15 CAL's |
| 13:28.04 | ChoHag | dick_turpin: Only 15? |
| 13:28.06 | ChoHag | No expansion? |
| 13:28.10 | Mohan | dick_turpin: Its only for Terminal sever usage where 20 user sessions will be running a application for testing. |
| 13:28.13 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Where's my $1000000 |
| 13:28.41 | antiphase | In my bum. You'll have to come and get it |
| 13:29.43 | dick_turpin | Mohan: Thats life, "I only had the gun for like 30 seconds, blew the blokes brains out and you want to send me to jail for life" Them's the rules baby |
| 13:30.49 | dick_turpin | buys some industrial strength rubber gloves to search antiphase's arse for the $10000000 |
| 13:33.09 | dick_turpin | antiphase: F'eck me whats this AS400 doing up here? |
| 13:33.51 | antiphase | Bummer crunching |
| 13:34.06 | dick_turpin | Hahahaha |
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| 15:17.19 | morsing | rhowe: Where's bilarh? |
| 15:18.39 | dick_turpin | morsing: Huzzah! |
| 15:18.46 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 15:18.59 | morsing | dick_turpin: Where's mozrat? |
| 15:19.12 | dick_turpin | In the Seychelles |
| 15:19.18 | morsing | Cool-ish |
| 15:19.34 | dick_turpin | So am I and bilarh |
| 15:19.50 | dick_turpin | Mozrat won the lottery |
| 15:20.07 | dick_turpin | He gave bilarh and me some of his winnings |
| 15:20.23 | boudiccas | lucky you! :( |
| 15:20.56 | dick_turpin | morsing: You didn't get any :-( |
| 15:21.06 | morsing | :) |
| 15:21.10 | morsing | I'm a contractor |
| 15:21.28 | dick_turpin | Mind you you should be used to that, not getting any |
| 15:21.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hugs |
| 15:21.58 | boudiccas | morsing, is getting some now :) |
| 15:22.01 | boudiccas | :) |
| 15:22.41 | boudiccas | morsing is getting some now :) |
| 15:23.03 | boudiccas | thats what i meant to say, but a comma crept in by mistake |
| 15:23.44 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Is he getting it from you? |
| 15:24.04 | boudiccas | nope, from his girlfriend, i assume |
| 15:24.23 | boudiccas | or maybe from his fiancee |
| 15:24.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Wake up |
| 15:24.54 | morsing | dick_turpin: ? |
| 15:25.02 | boudiccas | i've woken up, whats to do???? |
| 15:25.02 | morsing | dick_turpin: Do you have her on ignore? |
| 15:25.16 | dick_turpin | Ahahahahaha |
| 15:25.43 | boudiccas | putting me on /ignore? wishful thinking, no one ignores me :))))) |
| 15:26.00 | boudiccas | cept for me |
| 15:26.08 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No I was being sarcastic at what you said |
| 15:26.30 | boudiccas | in which case it went 'whoosh' over my head |
| 15:26.41 | boudiccas | a nd the sarcasm was so deep it left me unaffected |
| 15:26.48 | dick_turpin | Insinuating that you must be dreaming to make a statement like that |
| 15:27.04 | boudiccas | ah ha! you'll see :) |
| 15:27.06 | dick_turpin | God my talent is wasted |
| 15:27.17 | boudiccas | and what does God reply? |
| 15:27.54 | boudiccas | He just pats you on the head, thereby making you a bit more bald, and says ???? |
| 15:28.15 | boudiccas | what does He say? i dont know |
| 15:28.34 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: He cant reply there is no such entity |
| 15:28.55 | boudiccas | but you cant deny that hes made you bald |
| 15:30.29 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No I've told you before that was the head board |
| 15:30.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Plus the grass don't grow on a busy street |
| 15:31.54 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:49.32 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, so you're a head-banger then? :)))) |
| 15:52.17 | boudiccas | right, time to go |
| 15:54.31 | ChoHag | GAH! |
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| 15:54.42 | ChoHag | The man next to me is eating with his mouth open. |
| 15:56.21 | ChoHag | I think he might moo in a minute. |
| 15:58.42 | ChoHag | In other news, I asked my wife to bring some headphones when she came for lunch. |
| 15:59.01 | ChoHag | The wire is less than 2 feet long. |
| 16:00.17 | antiphase | Never send a chick to do a man's job |
| 16:01.45 | dick_turpin | A man stood next to me at LrL2009 and eat like a pig and I mean really bad it made me feel sick, I was getting ready to say something but for some reason didn't |
| 16:01.58 | ChoHag | Because you're English. |
| 16:02.07 | dick_turpin | Don't ask me how but I could tell he was a clever (Intelligent) sod |
| 16:02.10 | ChoHag | We don't get involved. |
| 16:02.37 | dick_turpin | Turned out he was one of the head Honchos with a certain well known browser |
| 16:03.10 | dick_turpin | But should that have any bearing on his eating habits I ask myself? |
| 16:09.46 | ChoHag | The brighter/more important you are the less need you have for manners? |
| 16:10.01 | ChoHag | $man here seems to be managerial. |
| 16:13.00 | wethrin | hello |
| 16:15.31 | hali | what was that hardware soak test someone here used before they put servers in to production? |
| 16:16.01 | ChoHag | A bath? |
| 16:16.12 | ChoHag | If it can survive that, it can survive anything. |
| 16:16.44 | hali | im thinking latest generation servers from most suppliers aren't as good quaility as they used to be... |
| 16:16.50 | hali | from both hp and dell |
| 16:17.09 | hali | had a few machines that have failed within the first 48 hours of use |
| 16:17.18 | ChoHag | "I bought lowest-common-denominator servers and they may not be that good"? |
| 16:17.55 | hali | ?? |
| 16:18.26 | hali | i can't think of anything 'better' to buy.. if i could, i would |
| 16:18.50 | hali | guess we could give ibm xseries a go |
| 16:18.50 | ChoHag | There probably isn't. |
| 16:19.01 | ChoHag | Doesn't make dell/hp any better. |
| 16:19.50 | hali | we have loads of dell 2950/2970 and hp dl380g5/dl385g5 and they have been excellent, now the dell r710 and hp g6's all seem a bit dodgy |
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| 17:15.20 | antiphase | And you thought you were getting a bargain when you paid so little for them :P |
| 17:16.32 | z00dax | not used any as yet, but I've heard odd things about the new G6's |
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| 17:29.48 | AndyMillar | z00dax: what like? |
| 17:29.59 | AndyMillar | we've been pretty happy with the DL380G6s |
| 17:30.22 | z00dax | the cern guys seem to have a slight heat problem |
| 17:31.42 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 17:32.33 | hali | interface numbering was wrong on all the g6's we've had (udev to the rescue) |
| 17:32.39 | hali | nic* |
| 17:32.59 | hali | and the internals of the g6's is a bit wonky, you need to remove the pci cage to install dimms etc |
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| 17:37.05 | AndyMillar | z00dax: anything else other than that? :/ |
| 17:37.49 | z00dax | not yet :) |
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| 21:30.49 | AndyMillar | wonders why 2 online groups manage to pick the same day for their meets |
| 21:35.14 | Mohan | nice routing loop in inet. http://pastebin.com/d6e2f7097 |
| 21:35.35 | Mohan | s/inet/ntt/ |
| 21:36.47 | antiphas1 | The destination has probably gone away and they didn't set up their HSRP properly or something |
| 21:37.06 | rhowe | discovers SP/DIF > analogue |
| 21:39.37 | Mohan | They did some core network maintenance last sunday, but the host is reachable perfectly from certain networks and fails only from certain networks. |
| 21:40.19 | Armand|Lappy | Mohan: Where is "Londen" ? |
| 21:43.21 | Mohan | Armand|Lappy: it exists in the ntt world. |
| 21:44.01 | Armand|Lappy | So, it's a typo ? :P |
| 21:58.14 | Mohan | No, It doesn't look like a typo as you can see that multiple gateways are using the same name. it looks like its the naming convention they are following to differentiate between networks. |
| 21:59.45 | Armand|Lappy | hands everyone cookies.. http://pastebin.com/d2ae32d0c |
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