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| 08:16.56 | hali | morning |
| 08:18.08 | AndyMillar | hola |
| 08:18.22 | Mohan | morning! |
| 08:22.29 | DiscordianUK | groans Morning |
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| 13:23.11 | dick_turpin | Wow there's a lot of jobs on offer at the minute on the mailing list |
| 13:24.17 | cpufreak | just hoaxes |
| 13:30.17 | antiphase | They know ChoHag is off the market, so the jobs are appearing now |
| 13:32.49 | dick_turpin | Hahah |
| 13:35.07 | dick_turpin | I even saw one that I could blag my way through, don't think it was on the list I think it was on the Linux Jobs mailing list something about "Able to install Red Hat" Duh yeah |
| 13:35.53 | antiphase | Some 15k graduate job I expect |
| 13:38.26 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Found it, Linuxjobs: [linuxjobs] RHEL/Clustering - 1 Month Contact - Guildford |
| 13:38.38 | dick_turpin | 1 Month :-( |
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| 13:42.43 | hali | rhel's built in clustering is crap though |
| 13:42.47 | hali | nothing you want to commit to :) |
| 14:03.48 | wethrin | Anyone want a PHP-wrangling job at the Beeb? |
| 14:03.56 | wethrin | Must be competent at PHP (which is the hard thing to find) |
| 14:06.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Rules me out then :-( |
| 14:23.39 | z00dax | might also need to specify ver of php |
| 14:24.02 | z00dax | many people who consider themselves good at it, are often lost in the 4/5/6 tree's mixup |
| 14:24.20 | Leeds | I am an expert in php 7.75 |
| 14:25.48 | z00dax | Leeds: there is a php-7 tree :) |
| 14:26.00 | z00dax | dont think they have quite made it to .75 though |
| 14:26.30 | antiphase | PHP is shit |
| 14:27.00 | z00dax | a lot of what people write in it definitely is |
| 14:27.12 | Leeds | nah, it's a pretty shitty language |
| 14:28.27 | Armand | I look one look at tutorials for PHP and thought "fuck that!" |
| 14:32.14 | dick_turpin | has looked through the index of PHP for beginners and cannot find an entry for Fuck That ;-) |
| 14:32.30 | Armand | Trust me.. it's there.. |
| 14:32.39 | Armand | :P |
| 15:25.22 | wethrin | PHP has been getting features that real languages have |
| 15:38.33 | AndyMillar | wethrin: are they offering real money for it? |
| 15:38.34 | wethrin | AndyMillar: Possibly |
| 15:43.35 | dick_turpin | Have a good weekend everyone |
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| 15:43.37 | Cope | AndyMillar: increasingly |
| 15:43.45 | Cope | PHP5 is really not bad at all |
| 15:43.53 | Cope | but it is a bit of a kitchen sink now |
| 15:44.37 | Cope | I won't defend that the vast majority of PHP code in the wild is shite |
| 15:44.50 | Cope | but I've seen (and written) some really nice stuff in PHP |
| 15:45.28 | wethrin | PHP isn't the problem. It's the coders. |
| 15:46.54 | Cope | quite |
| 15:47.31 | antiphase | There were plenty of other languages around already; there was no reason to produce a crap one to make programmers out of people who shouldn't have an Internet licence in the first place |
| 15:48.05 | wethrin | Wasn't the original one done by someone who was too lazy to keep writing the same lot of Perl over and over again, so created some macros? |
| 15:48.47 | antiphase | Personal Home Pages? :P |
| 15:49.15 | antiphase | It was written in Perl iirc |
| 15:49.39 | Cope | perl reuquired the programmer to learn perl, and a templating system, and a databases interface, and write some nasty cgi code |
| 15:49.54 | ChoHag | And PHP requires you not to. |
| 15:50.06 | Cope | php made it very easy to write slightly less nasty, more maintainable code |
| 15:50.18 | Cope | I'd use neither |
| 15:50.43 | Cope | but there was obviously a 'need' for PHP or it wouldn't have grown and succeeded in the way it did. |
| 15:51.18 | hali | i suspect one of the main reasons people use it is the time-to-market factor |
| 15:51.27 | Cope | absolutely |
| 15:51.37 | Cope | in the same way that now rails is very popular |
| 15:51.49 | Cope | because you can produce a decent webapp in no time at all |
| 15:52.12 | ChoHag | decent-looking |
| 15:52.15 | Cope | and have a decent, tested framework and design pattern behind it |
| 15:52.38 | Cope | ChoHag: how it looks is immaterial - an out of the box rails app will look shit |
| 15:52.55 | ChoHag | No language can make the websites themselves decent. Something actually interesting is required for that. |
| 15:53.27 | Cope | yes, did you want to start saying something that isn't unbelievably obvious any time soon? |
| 15:54.23 | antiphase | For Ruby on fails, time to market is evidently more important than performance |
| 15:54.45 | Cope | antiphase: really? got anything to back that up? |
| 15:55.14 | Cope | or are you just spouting the usual thirty-eighth-hand fud? |
| 15:55.35 | antiphase | Of course. It's Friday afternoon |
| 15:55.45 | Cope | laughs |
| 15:55.49 | Cope | I can't answer that! :) |
| 15:55.55 | antiphase | Anything that builds database queries for you is destined to fail though |
| 15:56.05 | Cope | yeah active-record is a bit bonkers |
| 17:34.50 | ChoHag | I was nitpicking. |
| 17:40.40 | ChoHag | The pimp dealing with this contract is useless. |
| 17:53.03 | antiphase | Have they found out about your child molestation charge yet? |
| 17:53.12 | ChoHag | Oh that's too well hidden. |
| 18:11.06 | ChoHag | "Hello this is <bank> can you confirm your details?" |
| 18:11.17 | ChoHag | "No, can you confirm who you are first?" |
| 18:11.34 | ChoHag | "No, but you can call back on <number>." |
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| 21:20.47 | pawel | is the |
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| 21:20.51 | pawel | :> |
| 21:21.15 | pawel | is there a decent informix user channel/forum? |
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