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| 07:16.34 | j0nr | morning |
| 08:47.27 | yaMatt | morning j0nr |
| 08:47.52 | j0nr | alright yaMatt |
| 08:49.04 | yaMatt | hey, not too bad, how are you doing? |
| 08:50.18 | yaMatt | everyone been stocking up on light bulbs? |
| 09:05.27 | antiphase | Just petrol |
| 09:05.39 | antiphase | Labour scum put the prices up again |
| 09:05.53 | yaMatt | yeah, its expensive enough as it is for no reason |
| 09:17.27 | bilarh | death-throws of a government? |
| 09:18.24 | antiphase | throws Death |
| 09:19.36 | bilarh | if the tosser hadn't spent gazillions on other stupid ideas, like the VAT cut, he wouldn't have to raise fuel duty three times in a short succession |
| 09:25.50 | antiphase | I blame the bankers |
| 09:26.15 | bilarh | i blame labour |
| 09:28.49 | bilarh | anyone got any jobs going? |
| 09:31.19 | z00dax | the bit that I find odd is that petrol prices are now higher than they were during the high days of the oil price boom |
| 09:31.30 | bilarh | surely not |
| 09:31.35 | bilarh | i remember paying 1.35 |
| 09:31.54 | z00dax | the highest I paid my way was 1.10 |
| 09:32.04 | z00dax | its 1.11 today |
| 09:32.35 | z00dax | even so, isnt the crude oil price about 45% lower than it was during the inflated days ? |
| 09:33.09 | z00dax | so, if the universe was equal, we'd be paying > £2/lt for petrol at those prices |
| 09:33.36 | bilarh | in the meantime, the bank of england and the chancellor have been busy devaluing your pound |
| 09:33.56 | bilarh | "quantitative easing" :( |
| 09:34.01 | bilarh | super low interest rates |
| 09:34.06 | z00dax | thats not too much of an issue, since its back upto 1.6+ against the USD |
| 09:34.33 | bilarh | how much was it last time petrol was expensive? |
| 09:34.55 | z00dax | good question |
| 09:34.57 | z00dax | looks |
| 09:36.48 | z00dax | funny |
| 09:38.48 | bilarh | ? |
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| 09:47.14 | z00dax | it was 1.7 then. |
| 09:47.31 | bilarh | ah :) |
| 09:47.34 | z00dax | price of oil was $143/brl - its now 71/brl |
| 09:47.47 | z00dax | so, yes - we'd be paying well over £2.50 at the same levels |
| 09:48.06 | bilarh | maybe the spot oil price is only a small part of the cost, then |
| 09:48.33 | z00dax | could be, but its what they often use as an excuse to raise prices. |
| 09:48.40 | z00dax | http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/oil-price this is interesting |
| 09:49.34 | bilarh | maybe it's just that we're getting raped as much as possible all the time :) |
| 09:51.51 | cpufreak | its this fucking commie government |
| 09:52.03 | bilarh | +1 |
| 09:52.35 | cpufreak | which is why I intend on lighting the tyres on my new gas guzzling automobile in whitehall on saturday |
| 09:52.45 | cpufreak | I reckon its possible to drift round parliment square |
| 10:01.26 | bilarh | ponders learning some java |
| 10:57.19 | z00dax | not much fun, java |
| 11:01.39 | z00dax | bilarh: does open up a few options on the job front these days though |
| 11:02.49 | bilarh | currently fighting with ants :) |
| 11:05.28 | z00dax | welcome to unit testing. |
| 11:08.46 | antiphase | I'm happy to know almost nothing about Java |
| 11:11.48 | Alex | My job title used to be 'Java / Unix Engineer', despite having never touched java. BAd times. |
| 11:13.33 | Nafallo | oooh. are we talking coffee? |
| 11:15.32 | Alex | That, cap'n, sounds like a plan. br. |
| 11:15.33 | Alex | b. |
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| 11:51.05 | Nafallo | hehe |
| 11:51.48 | z00dax | i feel like lunch |
| 11:54.08 | dick_turpin | z00dax: What kind of lunch do you feel like? I feel like a cheese roll? I feel just like a bowl of Pasta? actually how does pasta feel? |
| 11:56.14 | bilarh | depending on where the pasta is from, it will feel either sticky or oily |
| 11:56.33 | ChoHag | Like you apparently. |
| 11:56.35 | Nafallo | what does Telehouse have for me today I wonder... |
| 11:58.47 | ChoHag | I need to get out of IT. |
| 11:58.56 | ChoHag | What else can I do that'll earn decent money? |
| 11:58.59 | Nafallo | http://telehouse.net <-- you fail! |
| 11:59.19 | Nafallo | A records aren't that expensive damnit! |
| 11:59.44 | ChoHag | That has an A record. |
| 12:01.52 | Nafallo | yeah. you might think they've made telehouse.net and www.telehouse.net the same and add staging.telehouse.net or something for the staging site... |
| 12:02.16 | Nafallo | but NO! they've made telehouse.net the staging site, because A records are hard! ;-) |
| 12:02.41 | ChoHag | Fire whoever did it and hire me instead. |
| 12:03.04 | Nafallo | they actually go to the same IP as well... |
| 12:03.07 | Nafallo | sighs |
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| 12:05.18 | ChoHag | "German Speaking Prince 2 IT Infrastructure PM" |
| 12:10.42 | ChoHag | German Prince sort of narrows the candidates down a bit. |
| 12:43.31 | cpufreak | 3 days 19 hours and 17 minutes til I get my car. |
| 12:47.45 | boudiccas | cpufreak, a new car? direct from the manufacturers??? |
| 12:48.04 | cpufreak | its 'ex-demo', so its 3 months old |
| 12:48.09 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 12:48.13 | cpufreak | but getting it from a BMW desler |
| 12:48.14 | cpufreak | dealer |
| 12:48.55 | cpufreak | but new enough |
| 12:50.03 | antiphase | puts sugar in the fuel tank |
| 12:50.14 | cpufreak | adds yeast |
| 12:50.18 | cpufreak | ethanol \o/ |
| 12:50.41 | antiphase | morsing has yeast on his John Thomas |
| 12:50.57 | boudiccas | candida albicans |
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| 13:55.38 | ChoHag | Pimps and their bloody Word format. |
| 13:55.48 | cpufreak | 3 days 18 hours and 5 minutes til I get my car. |
| 13:56.05 | ChoHag | I wonder how many send CVs out with the contact details 'removed' visually only. |
| 13:56.24 | cpufreak | have you not got a fucking job yet? |
| 13:56.35 | ChoHag | sighs |
| 13:56.35 | ChoHag | No. |
| 13:56.52 | cpufreak | seeing as youv'e been trying for 2 years to get a job |
| 13:57.02 | ChoHag | I had one for a year. |
| 13:57.08 | cpufreak | maybe the thing is you're not as good as you think you are at what you're doing |
| 13:57.12 | ChoHag | Only trying now for 5 months or so. |
| 13:57.22 | cpufreak | so maybe the solution is to try something new |
| 13:58.14 | ChoHag | No, I am good (not a genius by any means). I just have a really shitty job history. |
| 13:59.00 | cpufreak | I didn't saw you weren't good. I said you're not as good as you think you are. |
| 13:59.10 | ChoHag | I've been too trusting of employers who've ended up screwing me. |
| 13:59.38 | cpufreak | i.e. you can't prove how good you are. |
| 13:59.42 | bilarh | also, it's not super easy to find a job at the moment :) |
| 13:59.56 | antiphase | You can always get a job if you're good at what you do |
| 13:59.57 | ChoHag | Quite. On both counts. |
| 14:00.01 | cpufreak | so the right solution is to take a step back and then take two steps forward, a la napoleon. |
| 14:00.13 | cpufreak | bilarh: its fine. I had two job offers within 2 weeks of looking. |
| 14:00.25 | cpufreak | antiphase moved jobs easily too |
| 14:00.31 | antiphase | Cut your arm off, cut your lower legs off, then develop a Napoleon complex |
| 14:00.33 | cpufreak | as did another friend |
| 14:00.38 | bilarh | cpufreak: to companies where you already had an 'in', or to brand new ones? |
| 14:01.46 | antiphase | Maybe it's not what you know, but who you know :P |
| 14:01.50 | z00dax | based on what I've heard - the job market is quite slow at the moment |
| 14:02.13 | ChoHag | Not always. |
| 14:02.32 | bilarh | antiphase: quite |
| 14:02.35 | z00dax | and i know one recruiter who decided to take up one of the jobs that someone wanted him to find a candidate for :) |
| 14:02.38 | bilarh | just like it's always been :) |
| 14:02.38 | ChoHag | But I generally know arseholes. |
| 14:03.38 | bilarh | chohag: what kind of jobs are you looking for? |
| 14:03.45 | ChoHag | linux admin |
| 14:03.55 | cpufreak | bilarh: one of them was amazon, which was brand new. |
| 14:04.05 | bilarh | cpufreak: ok |
| 14:04.35 | bilarh | i haven't really been looking too hard, but all the jobs i can find now pay way less than my current one, so even though i'm bored out of my brains, i'm not so bored as to be inclined to move at present |
| 14:04.52 | cpufreak | amazon are kinda cool, they offer sign on bonuses and stuff |
| 14:04.52 | bilarh | i've resigned myself to having to take a big paycut when i eventually get made redundant |
| 14:05.18 | bilarh | cpufreak: where are their offices? |
| 14:05.28 | cpufreak | dublin |
| 14:05.36 | bilarh | ok, not moving there :) |
| 14:05.41 | cpufreak | they also run their dublin office like a startup |
| 14:05.44 | cpufreak | its pretty cool |
| 14:05.48 | cpufreak | right beside the guinness brewery |
| 14:05.55 | bilarh | hehe quality location :D |
| 14:06.05 | bilarh | do they have their own pipeline? |
| 14:07.31 | cpufreak | no |
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| 14:59.17 | antiphase | penis_turpin! |
| 14:59.47 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Ha I bet your one of those Degree weenies too :-P |
| 15:00.00 | antiphase | my is |
| 15:03.00 | AndyMillar | degrees are worthless |
| 15:03.04 | AndyMillar | at least moders ones |
| 15:03.04 | dick_turpin | I love those threads on Gllug mailing list, anyone says "Degree's are pointless" and the shit starts flying |
| 15:03.32 | AndyMillar | admittedly, if i wanted to be a developer, maybe it might have helped |
| 15:03.36 | antiphase | English degrees would at least teach one the correct use of apostrophes :P |
| 15:04.21 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Ah shut up you anal retentive :-P |
| 15:04.41 | AndyMillar | antiphase: not necessarily |
| 15:06.42 | dick_turpin | In a round about sense degrees are pointless given that MSCE's ect are churned out once a fortnight by night schools and unemployment agencies |
| 15:07.48 | AndyMillar | degrees are fine if you want to be conventional and join a graduate programme |
| 15:08.06 | AndyMillar | doesn't even know what his degree result was |
| 15:10.41 | dick_turpin | And given the choice of a Degree holder fresh out of Uni or a candidate with no Degree but two years hands on experience any prospective employer would be insane to employ the Uni leaver |
| 15:11.19 | AndyMillar | uni leavers are cheap |
| 15:12.02 | dick_turpin | Yeah we had four apply for a crappy phone answering, tea making job last month |
| 15:12.46 | AndyMillar | either because: |
| 15:12.48 | AndyMillar | 1. they're crap |
| 15:12.53 | AndyMillar | 2. they don't know what they're worth |
| 15:14.43 | cpufreak | dick_turpin: you're wrong. |
| 15:15.15 | ChoHag | All else being equal, the uni leaver would be preferable. |
| 15:15.25 | cpufreak | with graduates you take a gamble... that they're bright, and will return you showing confidence in them, by staying with your company for a long time. |
| 15:15.26 | dick_turpin | TBH I think its simpler than that, most of em stay on / go to Uni because "Its the thing to do" they are told day in day out "You'll earn zillions" which is designed to keep them 'on the course' |
| 15:15.40 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: depends if they're from leeds met or UCL |
| 15:15.51 | ChoHag | Of course all else is not equal. Students tend to have not gone through the soul-crushing process yes. |
| 15:16.02 | cpufreak | if you take someone with 2 years experience, then chances as that they'll bugger off again in another 2 years |
| 15:16.18 | antiphase | All university leavers are not equal as well. Compare some northern monkey with a 3rd from shitbag ex-polytechnic in Wankchester to someone from a decent place |
| 15:16.36 | AndyMillar | good graduate will probably bugger off in 6 months once they realise that (if you're not in finance) they're underpaying you epiclyu |
| 15:16.38 | cpufreak | and there's some shit about potential and stuff, graduates have unfufilled potential or whatever. |
| 15:17.09 | cpufreak | AndyMillar: I'd say it depends more on what they have their degree in. |
| 15:17.41 | cpufreak | someone with a degree in journalism, or business studies, or internet engineering is someone you should not hire. |
| 15:17.47 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: i'll postulate that it's a mixture of the two :) |
| 15:18.03 | z00dax | 'internet engineering' - is a Degree course ? |
| 15:18.07 | cpufreak | someone who read mathematics or mechanical engineering or physics, on the other hand. |
| 15:18.10 | bilarh | is about to graduate this year :D |
| 15:18.18 | AndyMillar | z00dax: hell, using the toilet is a qualification, why not? |
| 15:18.21 | bilarh | will it make a blind bit of difference to my career - nope |
| 15:18.23 | z00dax | :) |
| 15:18.23 | cpufreak | z00dax: I made it up, but it probably exists somewhere. |
| 15:18.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I wont be employing you :-P |
| 15:18.36 | antiphase | Leisure Management |
| 15:18.42 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i'm worth more than what you can pay anyway, i've got a degree |
| 15:18.43 | cpufreak | ahh |
| 15:18.47 | cpufreak | thign thing thing |
| 15:18.53 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I rest my case |
| 15:19.03 | cpufreak | bilarh is gordon brittas, and I claim my five pounds |
| 15:19.12 | bilarh | dick_turpin: now, you unwashed, unliterate idiot, make me a tea |
| 15:20.10 | ChoHag | In other news - very fancy pictures after a volcanic eruption: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/06/chaiten_volcano_still_active.html |
| 15:20.14 | bilarh | "Completely tactless, totally annoying and forever coming up with 'half-baked' ideas, Brittas is frequently upsetting his staff, public, and neurotic wife Helen, often bringing destruction and death into their lives." - yep, that's me :D |
| 15:20.18 | ChoHag | Especially the lightning ones. |
| 15:21.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Er no, because in fact I'm your boss so you make the tea. See I'm not an IT guy I'm on the other side of the fence. Its all very weel for employees saying what employers should do but employees don't get to make those desicions |
| 15:21.26 | dick_turpin | well |
| 15:21.48 | bilarh | yes, sir :* |
| 15:21.50 | bilarh | :( |
| 15:23.21 | dick_turpin | I have a driving license all that means is I can drive doesn't say how well I can drive, if a chauffeur etc comes along who has a couple of years under his belt I'd employ him |
| 15:23.52 | bilarh | as long as he's not been a minicab driver |
| 15:24.02 | bilarh | they appear to drive much worse than even learner drivers |
| 15:24.18 | dick_turpin | And this crap about "They'll bugger off in two years" is a smoke screen there are very few companies these days looking to employ staff for the next 40 years |
| 15:25.20 | dick_turpin | Most employers are generally looking at a two year stint anyway anything more is a bonus to the employer |
| 15:33.12 | ChoHag | Bloody govt. phone system keeps playing the beginning of the Vivaldi concerto. |
| 15:33.24 | ChoHag | Every time they interrupt to say "Please go away" it starts again. |
| 15:34.18 | antiphase | I think we should all just move to Colombia and get ripped off our tits on charlie all day instead of working |
| 15:34.32 | ChoHag | How do you propose to pay for it? |
| 15:34.45 | bilarh | chohag: easy, we'll just deal to each other |
| 15:35.12 | ChoHag | So why not just cut out the middleman and grow/harvest/process it ourselves? |
| 15:35.19 | bilarh | good idea |
| 15:35.27 | bilarh | that would give us enough money to have a mansion each |
| 15:35.44 | bilarh | and maybe even a private army |
| 15:35.45 | bilarh | some models etc etc |
| 15:35.45 | bilarh | it'd be grand |
| 15:40.28 | ChoHag | GAH! |
| 15:40.35 | ChoHag | 15 bloody minutes and it was the wrong department. |
| 15:40.39 | ChoHag | I hate government. |
| 15:42.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I would have to vet the models after all I am your boss |
| 15:42.26 | boudiccas | all hail bossman |
| 15:42.50 | boudiccas | :) |
| 15:44.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: ooh no need for you to have an interview when can you start? |
| 15:44.54 | boudiccas | 30 February |
| 15:45.38 | boudiccas | if not sooner, how about 1st september??? |
| 15:47.56 | boudiccas | why's it gone all queit? |
| 15:48.08 | boudiccas | quiet even |
| 15:48.30 | dick_turpin | Phone, 1 sec |
| 15:48.35 | boudiccas | times up |
| 15:50.35 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You do know you will have to do some unpalatable things with bilarh? Its a way of making his poor wages up :-( |
| 15:54.59 | ChoHag | IT is all about doing unpalatable things. |
| 16:00.45 | dick_turpin | Some idiot has just mailed me their entire customer database, bwahahaha |
| 16:01.11 | ChoHag | I don't, of course, have an A&L account: |
| 16:01.23 | ChoHag | From: Alliance & Leicester Bank plc <suspiciousemails@alliance-leicester.co.uk> |
| 16:01.23 | ChoHag | Subject: You Have 1 Unread Message On Your Online Banking Account |
| 16:01.41 | dick_turpin | I bet he had a degree too |
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| 16:10.09 | boudiccas | unpalatable things??? that doesnt sound very nice! :( |
| 16:11.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Well it wouldn't I mean why else would it be unpalatable? |
| 16:12.10 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, because you cant eat it? or is that the wrong sort of palate?? |
| 16:13.42 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Wrong end of the country I'm afraid :-) |
| 16:14.04 | ChoHag | Civil servants have no sense of humour. |
| 16:14.10 | ChoHag | "Are you or your partner pregnant?" |
| 16:14.26 | ChoHag | "No, but I could da it if it would help." |
| 16:14.29 | ChoHag | *nothing* |
| 16:14.44 | dick_turpin | Rotflmao Just had a begging email from the database idiot begging everyone to stop emailing his customers Bwahahaha |
| 16:15.02 | ChoHag | What sort of customers? |
| 16:16.00 | ChoHag | Dear X, your current administrator helpfully shared with me your personal details. Pay me instead and I won't do that. |
| 16:16.49 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: meh they are suppliers no real use to me |
| 16:17.45 | ChoHag | Oh. Boring. They'll just count that as free advertising. |
| 16:19.21 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: Yes and no, its a bit like the pointless Chamber of Commerce meetings everyone at those meets want to sell never to buy. But at the end of the day its another source or possibly a sale you never know |
| 16:19.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, the country? what country?? what are you on about??? |
| 16:19.59 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Never mind dear just drink this and lay down over here ;-) |
| 16:20.39 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, you know that i'm sweet and innocent and believe everythign that you say :) and that i always tell the truth and never tell porkies, except now :))))) |
| 16:21.45 | boudiccas | what drink is this anyway dick_turpin ??? is it some of that viagra stuff that i've heard about??? |
| 16:21.51 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You're a very naughty girl and need a right good .... Oh crap I have to go home to the wife in a minute |
| 16:22.04 | boudiccas | lol |
| 16:23.15 | boudiccas | have some madeira my dear, whispered a voice in my ear [with apologies to Flanders & Swan] |
| 16:23.54 | dick_turpin | And with that I'm off TTFN |
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