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| 06:49.25 | ChoHag | Yay. Another hot day. |
| 06:51.17 | DiscordianUK | So it would appear |
| 07:03.49 | issyl0 | Yup, here it's hot too. |
| 07:04.49 | issyl0 | is off to her other house today and won't have internet for around 2 months. Apart from maybe freenode webchat once in a while. If anyone wishes to contact me, send me an email, I should reply at some point. |
| 07:05.36 | Leeds | 30C here, warm enough |
| 07:06.03 | issyl0 | Heh yes definitely. |
| 07:06.12 | DiscordianUK | See you around I hope issyl0 |
| 07:06.22 | Leeds | that is at 3pm |
| 07:06.46 | DiscordianUK | Might hit 31C here later |
| 07:07.06 | issyl0 | DiscordianUK, yes maybe. |
| 07:07.08 | issyl0 | Bye! |
| 07:07.24 | issyl0 | I will actually /quit IRC, something I haven't done in a while. |
| 07:56.29 | yaMatt | yeah, looking forward to the heat today |
| 07:56.35 | yaMatt | only problem is |
| 07:56.49 | yaMatt | my gf is getting her wisdom tooth pulled today |
| 08:05.56 | bilarh | yaMatt: that's a bonus, she'll probably be drugged when she gets home ;) |
| 08:06.19 | bilarh | sets a new low :D |
| 08:06.28 | yaMatt | hahah |
| 08:06.42 | yaMatt | but it means i cant go out in the sun and enjoy myself |
| 08:06.53 | yaMatt | but the free drugs are a nice bonus |
| 08:06.59 | bilarh | well, if she's sleeping it off at home, you can still go out, can't you? :) |
| 08:07.20 | bilarh | tell you what, why don't you go out, get soem drugs and then go home and you can both be out of it together :) |
| 08:07.36 | yaMatt | perfect! |
| 08:08.02 | bilarh | as a side note, i'm seriously pissed off that i have to be at work on a nice day like today :) |
| 08:08.14 | yaMatt | we can sit out in the sun on deck chairs, baked out of our minds |
| 08:08.28 | yaMatt | bilarh, yeah, i bet |
| 08:08.36 | yaMatt | you have aircon at work? |
| 08:09.04 | bilarh | yes, so we don't even get the "omg it's so hot" feeling :( |
| 08:09.39 | bilarh | although, if we didn't have aircon, it might quickly turn into a "omg it's so hot i'm gonna die" kind of feeling, which isn't that great, all things considered |
| 08:09.47 | yaMatt | yeah, but better than sitting in a roasting room |
| 08:09.55 | yaMatt | yeah |
| 08:10.18 | yaMatt | we had no aircon in my office last year, and 3 computers to a person on average |
| 08:10.40 | bilarh | nice :) |
| 08:10.52 | bilarh | did you all come to work wearing just your swimming trunks? :) |
| 08:11.03 | yaMatt | pretty much, yeah :D |
| 08:11.13 | yaMatt | it wasnt bad though |
| 08:11.25 | yaMatt | we had an excuse to leave every so often |
| 08:11.32 | yaMatt | boss was pretty cool about it |
| 08:11.48 | yaMatt | brought us ice cream and stuff too |
| 08:11.54 | bilarh | ace :D |
| 08:12.14 | DiscordianUK | Mmm ice cream |
| 08:14.36 | yaMatt | i do have a bit of a surplace of ice cream at the moment |
| 08:14.40 | yaMatt | not a bad thing |
| 08:15.35 | DiscordianUK | I've a big tub of neopolitan in my freezer |
| 08:16.10 | yaMatt | heheh, ive never understood neopolitan |
| 08:16.22 | yaMatt | do you not find that you just eat them flavour by flavour? |
| 08:16.43 | DiscordianUK | nah |
| 08:17.02 | yaMatt | i do |
| 08:17.08 | DiscordianUK | big scoop through em all |
| 08:18.06 | yaMatt | you know its summer too when you inexplicably want a coke float |
| 08:18.23 | yaMatt | theyre not all that great, but you really want one |
| 08:18.26 | DiscordianUK | s/coke/beer/ |
| 08:18.27 | bilarh | what is a coke float? :S |
| 08:18.35 | bilarh | sounds disgusting if it's what i think it is |
| 08:18.35 | yaMatt | hahah, beer float |
| 08:18.40 | ChoHag | A huge cake travelling down the high street. |
| 08:18.48 | yaMatt | no, no poo in it bilarh :P |
| 08:19.00 | bilarh | phew :D |
| 08:19.00 | yaMatt | coke with a lump of vanilla ice cream in it |
| 08:19.06 | bilarh | oh for crying out loud |
| 08:19.09 | bilarh | that's almost as bad |
| 08:19.12 | bilarh | in fact |
| 08:19.22 | bilarh | i'm not sure which one i'd prefer |
| 08:19.32 | bilarh | coke |
| 08:19.37 | bilarh | and vanilla ice ceram |
| 08:19.46 | bilarh | the ice cream will curdle, fgs |
| 08:19.48 | yaMatt | a vanilla coke float is nicer than a poo coke float |
| 08:19.53 | bilarh | are you sure? |
| 08:19.56 | bilarh | have you tried both? |
| 08:20.02 | yaMatt | yeah, thats why i dont think its that great |
| 08:20.12 | yaMatt | cant say ive tried the poo flavoured one |
| 08:22.29 | yaMatt | not a fan of vanilla ice cream bilarh? |
| 08:22.48 | bilarh | oh yes, huge fan |
| 08:22.51 | bilarh | and a huge fan of coke |
| 08:22.54 | bilarh | but mixed up? :S |
| 08:23.03 | ChoHag | Vanilla ice cream, or vanilla flavour ice cream? |
| 08:23.09 | yaMatt | think like vanilla coke |
| 08:48.31 | DiscordianUK | I'd like to think you lot will ensure issy is safe if she comes to a meet |
| 08:49.00 | ChoHag | Depends what you mean by safe I expect. |
| 08:49.22 | DiscordianUK | She's 14 it seems |
| 08:49.51 | ChoHag | Oh? |
| 08:50.08 | DiscordianUK | So I mean safe from predators |
| 08:50.22 | ChoHag | Do we have those? |
| 08:50.33 | bilarh | oh come on |
| 08:50.41 | bilarh | it's not liek we're idiots "for real" :P |
| 08:50.58 | bilarh | online person != real life :D |
| 08:51.08 | bilarh | mostly |
| 08:51.48 | DiscordianUK | I'm rather like I am in real life |
| 08:52.11 | bilarh | well, actually, so am i i suppose |
| 08:52.12 | ChoHag | You're ascii? |
| 08:52.13 | bilarh | but what i'm saying is |
| 08:52.42 | bilarh | that even if we have some sick jokes on here, of course nobody in their right mind would do anything like that to a 14 year old girl |
| 08:52.59 | DiscordianUK | I believe she's 14 |
| 08:53.00 | ChoHag | I wouldn't necessary say 'of course'. |
| 08:53.25 | DiscordianUK | and we should encourage young people |
| 08:53.38 | bilarh | absolutely :) |
| 08:54.04 | Leeds | to be perfectly honest, a 14-year-old girl probably shouldn't be going alone to a meeting where almost every other participant is an adult male |
| 08:54.18 | DiscordianUK | quite leeds |
| 08:54.20 | ChoHag | Because we all know men are evil, right? |
| 08:54.41 | ChoHag | I mean they have the dick, so sex is entirely their fault. |
| 08:54.45 | DiscordianUK | I suggested she took a parental unit |
| 08:55.00 | Leeds | parental unit - or at least a friend |
| 08:55.09 | Leeds | someone she's met before IRL |
| 08:55.21 | ChoHag | A 14-year old person of any sex shouldn't be going alone anywhere where she knows almost no-one. |
| 08:55.21 | DiscordianUK | quite so |
| 08:55.31 | ChoHag | Male or female, adult or not. |
| 08:55.49 | DiscordianUK | That's me dame |
| 08:55.54 | DiscordianUK | damned |
| 08:55.55 | bilarh | ah.. i thought she was going with disco |
| 08:55.56 | Leeds | true, but a boy is probably slightly more able to defend himself physically, if it comes to it |
| 08:55.58 | ChoHag | That 'men are perverted sex monsters' attitude pisses me off. |
| 08:56.17 | Leeds | I'm not just talking about perverted sex... |
| 08:56.18 | DiscordianUK | I wandered around london at 14 |
| 08:56.20 | bilarh | chohag: well, it's mainly true ;) |
| 08:56.27 | ChoHag | Leeds: The only way that is true is that they know how much it hurts when you get kicked in the nuts, but women almost never believe it. |
| 08:57.00 | Leeds | also simple things like someone nicking a phone, for example, and everyone else there swearing that she didn't come in with one |
| 08:57.03 | ChoHag | Especially when it comes to geeks. |
| 08:57.11 | Leeds | or any other hardware, should she bring any |
| 08:57.12 | DiscordianUK | some odd woman said 'wanna come home with me little boy' outside Foyles |
| 08:57.34 | ChoHag | How many 14-year old boys, interested in Linux and other geeky pursuits, have spent any time building their strength? |
| 08:57.39 | DiscordianUK | I ran |
| 08:59.19 | DiscordianUK | i was street smart at 14 |
| 09:00.42 | Leeds | street smart only helps a certain amount when you've walked into a room of strangers, at least some of whom can probably overpower you without much trouble |
| 09:01.01 | DiscordianUK | I just wanted to flag this up while people were listening |
| 09:02.08 | Leeds | anyway, I would suggest she gets someone to at least come in with her and check she's comfortable |
| 09:02.11 | DiscordianUK | when I ran monthly meets elsewhere I insisted people underage brought parentals |
| 09:02.38 | DiscordianUK | Often they'd sit and sup ale with me |
| 09:03.13 | DiscordianUK | Initially yes |
| 09:03.29 | Leeds | not sure it's necessary to insist on parent - a peer/friend should be enough |
| 09:03.38 | DiscordianUK | sure |
| 09:03.39 | Leeds | cites George |
| 09:04.27 | DiscordianUK | Mostly #gllug people are harmless |
| 09:05.27 | Leeds | but the fact is that there will be people there who 'we' don't know |
| 09:05.46 | DiscordianUK | Indeed |
| 09:06.19 | ChoHag | http://notalwaysright.com/a-penny-lost-is-a-penny-earned/2142 |
| 09:06.44 | ChoHag | Well caution should always be taken, but I think we often go too far these days. |
| 09:07.12 | DiscordianUK | She'll be back in the autumn |
| 09:08.27 | wethrin | ahoy |
| 09:11.18 | wethrin | Leeds: George, harmless? :) |
| 09:11.29 | ChoHag | Back? |
| 09:11.32 | ChoHag | I thought she just got here. |
| 09:11.33 | Leeds | wethrin: I mean that we were harmless to him :P |
| 09:12.22 | wethrin | ChoHag: See her message just before she quit |
| 09:12.26 | wethrin | internetless for 2 months |
| 09:12.29 | wethrin | (how does one cope!?) |
| 09:12.38 | wethrin | Leeds: Well, until we got to know him :) |
| 09:12.51 | Leeds | Cope isn't here either |
| 09:13.11 | ChoHag | Oh. |
| 09:13.13 | ChoHag | Poor girl. |
| 09:13.13 | wethrin | True, but Cope is busy with Real Life, and all that |
| 09:13.49 | wethrin | I think she said she's 15, soon to be 16. Very soon after she joined |
| 09:14.20 | wethrin | Most Glluggers would just be confused if a female walks into the room :) |
| 09:14.59 | DiscordianUK | we do have some female gluggers |
| 09:15.33 | wethrin | A very small percentage |
| 09:15.57 | DiscordianUK | alas tis true |
| 09:16.00 | wethrin | currently 1/33 names here |
| 09:16.05 | wethrin | (I've discounted ibot) |
| 09:16.24 | Leeds | although there have been others in the past |
| 09:16.29 | wethrin | true |
| 09:16.35 | ChoHag | I think most have the sense not to tell us. |
| 09:16.39 | wethrin | heh |
| 09:16.40 | ChoHag | I know I probably wouldn't. |
| 09:16.42 | DiscordianUK | I think ibot swings both ways |
| 09:17.10 | Leeds | and let's face it, some of the blokes - present company excluded, of course - aren't exactly entirely normal, mature, etc. |
| 09:17.22 | wethrin | us? mature? :) |
| 09:17.29 | bilarh | looks uncomfortable |
| 09:17.59 | DiscordianUK | I'm almost senile never mind mature |
| 09:19.15 | ChoHag | Who'd want to be mature anyway? |
| 09:20.14 | wethrin | A cheese. |
| 09:20.24 | bilarh | mature is boring, mostly |
| 09:20.26 | bilarh | it seems |
| 09:20.33 | bilarh | but then immature is annoying too |
| 09:20.35 | bilarh | i think it depends |
| 09:20.38 | bilarh | as you age |
| 09:20.46 | bilarh | you go through a transformation |
| 09:20.46 | DiscordianUK | some cheeses mautur |
| 09:20.47 | wethrin | You need the right level |
| 09:20.51 | DiscordianUK | mature |
| 09:20.51 | bilarh | but you're never "mature" yourself |
| 09:20.57 | bilarh | it's just that older people are mature |
| 09:21.00 | bilarh | and younger ones tend to be immature |
| 09:21.02 | DiscordianUK | like camembert |
| 09:21.08 | bilarh | and they think the same abuot you |
| 09:21.33 | wethrin | Right. Worktime. |
| 09:21.35 | wethrin | Later! |
| 09:23.51 | bilarh | for crying out loud |
| 09:23.52 | bilarh | it's insane |
| 09:24.01 | bilarh | to get my swedish drivers license renewd |
| 09:24.07 | bilarh | i have to pick up forms from the embassy |
| 09:24.14 | bilarh | *PICK THEM UP* |
| 09:24.16 | bilarh | in person |
| 09:24.22 | bilarh | so that i can send them to some place in sweden |
| 09:24.31 | bilarh | wtf is wrong with a downloadably PDF |
| 09:24.31 | bilarh | ? |
| 09:24.48 | DiscordianUK | or the post |
| 09:25.27 | bilarh | exactly |
| 09:27.06 | DiscordianUK | puts t'kettle on |
| 09:33.34 | bilarh | random question: anyone know anything about workshop compressors? e.g. which one to chose etc? |
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| 11:41.26 | bilarh | dick_turpin! |
| 11:42.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Don't tell me you've opened the box finally and found a house brick in it? |
| 11:42.56 | bilarh | hehe no |
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| 11:43.03 | bilarh | must get around to it at some point |
| 11:43.07 | dick_turpin | You've been sacked? |
| 11:43.13 | bilarh | no not yet |
| 11:43.31 | dick_turpin | The misses has run off with the Milkman? |
| 11:43.32 | mindbendr | do sysadmins get sacked |
| 11:43.58 | dick_turpin | He should ;-) |
| 11:44.01 | bilarh | mindbendr: they get replaced by tiny shell scripts |
| 11:44.30 | mindbendr | bilarh: ah such a bad ending |
| 11:44.38 | bilarh | sorry :( |
| 11:44.50 | mindbendr | sounds like little fairies |
| 11:46.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: So whats happening in your world today? |
| 11:46.24 | bilarh | nothing much |
| 11:46.29 | bilarh | in fact, scratch that |
| 11:46.32 | bilarh | nothing |
| 11:47.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I got ripped to shreds @ 9:30 this morning and it was nothing to do with me! Nice |
| 11:47.56 | bilarh | a cat attacked you? |
| 11:48.12 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Customer |
| 11:48.19 | bilarh | ah |
| 11:49.32 | dick_turpin | bilarh: So I ripped Captain Yellow Back to shreds in return using the F word and a few other respectful expletives |
| 11:50.35 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You could cut mild steel with the atmosphere here earlier |
| 11:50.49 | bilarh | cool :D |
| 11:51.03 | bilarh | i love when there's an atmosphere at work |
| 11:51.08 | bilarh | makes me really motivated :D |
| 11:53.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Huh if Captain Yellow Back had behaved like a Director it wouldn't of happened, instead he hid in the front office knowing what was gonna happen and let me get covered in shit instead of him. I think they call that "Caring for employees"? |
| 11:54.04 | antiphase | bilarh: Compressor choice depends on what you want to do with it |
| 11:54.31 | bilarh | dick_turpin: sounds about right |
| 11:54.58 | bilarh | antiphase: i want to be able to do a bit of sand blasting, spraying, driving impact wrenches, sanding etc |
| 11:55.17 | antiphase | Sand blasting is particularly onerous with regard to air supply |
| 11:55.22 | bilarh | antiphase: and i don't want to spend a lot of money and then figure out that actually, it's a little bit too small for say sanding |
| 11:55.24 | bilarh | exactly |
| 11:55.55 | antiphase | And oily vs. oil-free depends on how many hours of life you expect out of it |
| 11:56.20 | bilarh | for 400 quid, i'd hope it should last me at least 20 years :) |
| 11:56.37 | antiphase | You need to filter the air if you want to spray when you have an oil-lubed job, but tools need oiled air or at least a dollop of oil in them periodically |
| 11:56.58 | bilarh | ah cool, but you can get those oil separators or something, can't you? |
| 11:57.09 | bilarh | or is it water separator i'm thinking of? |
| 11:57.27 | antiphase | You get filter blocks with separators/filters/regulators in them |
| 11:57.40 | bilarh | ah ok |
| 11:57.52 | bilarh | and belt drive is quieter than the normal direct drive ones, right? |
| 11:57.56 | antiphase | Ultimately you need to find out the cfm demand for your needs, then look at what you need |
| 11:58.08 | antiphase | Belt drive will be for bigger motors |
| 11:58.24 | antiphase | You can only get so far without 3-phase though |
| 11:58.41 | bilarh | yeah, it seems like it :( |
| 11:58.51 | bilarh | the highest i've found is 14cfm without going 3ph |
| 11:58.55 | antiphase | At which point you have to start adding receivers to allow you to store air for fast use |
| 11:59.27 | bilarh | mmm, not too worried about taht, when i get my proper garage, i can just add another receiver if needed |
| 12:00.10 | bilarh | it should be worth it, though, right? going for air tools i mean? |
| 12:00.19 | bilarh | they certainly seem a lot cheaper than electrical ones |
| 12:00.21 | antiphase | You don't need that much capacity for basic tools and spraying, but big tools and blasting need loads of volume although possibly at lower pressure, so you can get a big receiver and a regulator and get loads of time out of it |
| 12:00.50 | cpufreak | fit airjacks to your car. |
| 12:00.58 | antiphase | Air tools are a bit pointless except for things like high-speed mini-grinders and that. Air rachets are just lazy :P |
| 12:01.09 | bilarh | well :P |
| 12:01.15 | bilarh | i definitely need an impact wrench |
| 12:01.18 | bilarh | and i need a die grinder |
| 12:01.24 | bilarh | and an air saw seems pretty neat too |
| 12:01.28 | bilarh | so that's three tools |
| 12:01.36 | bilarh | which in electric form probably costs at least 100 quid each |
| 12:01.46 | bilarh | but in air form would be roughly 50 quid each max |
| 12:01.51 | bilarh | so 150 saved already |
| 12:02.12 | antiphase | They're more practical if you run a big workshop and you've already got loads of air on tap |
| 12:02.21 | antiphase | For doing something quick, electric is much easier |
| 12:02.32 | antiphase | And you can use them in the house as well |
| 12:02.56 | cpufreak | yeh but then you don't get the lovely noise from the compressor at 2am, waking up your wife/girlfriend/other |
| 12:02.58 | bilarh | hmm, that's a good point, air tools are a bit stationary |
| 12:04.06 | bilarh | hmm, needs thinking about |
| 12:04.06 | antiphase | Alternatively, wait until a road crew are in their tent having a sandwich and pinch their engine-driven screw compressor |
| 12:04.29 | antiphase | That's what you really need for grit blasting :) |
| 12:04.38 | bilarh | brilliant :P |
| 12:05.20 | antiphase | (grit vs. sand because blasting with sand is distincly illegal these days owing to the respiratory risk it brings) |
| 12:05.32 | antiphase | before you think about using some building sand to try and do it on the cheap |
| 12:06.07 | bilarh | ok, point taken :) |
| 12:06.36 | antiphase | Mmm, lunch time \o/ |
| 12:11.34 | cpufreak | chicken and chips |
| 12:18.06 | kraptv | rolling down the street, smokin' indo chewin on chicken and chips |
| 12:18.08 | kraptv | laid back |
| 12:18.15 | kraptv | with my mind on my money and my money on my mind |
| 12:19.00 | bilarh | don't give up your day job ;) |
| 12:19.05 | dick_turpin | Luncheon meat sarnies, two penguin bickys, packet cheese onion crisps and a banana |
| 12:55.13 | kraptv | doncing on the limousine in front of the swon |
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| 13:01.55 | hali | apu |
| 13:02.11 | bilarh | poo poo |
| 13:03.39 | bilarh | so when you moving? |
| 13:06.00 | hali | yesterday |
| 13:06.29 | bilarh | cool :D |
| 13:06.34 | hali | maida vale, quite close to westbourn grove |
| 13:06.54 | DiscordianUK | very nice |
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| 13:07.17 | hali | and now BT just charged me 125 squid for a phone line installation when i know the previous tenant had a phone in there |
| 13:07.59 | cpufreak | heh |
| 13:08.02 | cpufreak | could be worse |
| 13:08.08 | cpufreak | your exchange could be 'be' enabled. |
| 13:08.27 | cpufreak | and then once you have a phone line, they tell you no, you can't have it |
| 13:08.28 | bilarh | how is that worse? |
| 13:08.32 | DiscordianUK | Mine is |
| 13:08.47 | bilarh | huh? |
| 13:08.55 | bilarh | confusion all around in the bilarh camp |
| 13:08.58 | cpufreak | bilarh: because I bought the flat on the premise I would have 24meg adsl |
| 13:09.25 | bilarh | ooh, right :) |
| 13:09.47 | bilarh | you don't need 24mbit anyway |
| 13:09.50 | kraptv | 24meg adsl, your flat helicoptered onto the top of the CO? |
| 13:10.06 | bilarh | why don't you just get a normal adsl line and buffer the video like the rest of us |
| 13:10.06 | cpufreak | bilarh: I do, well more I need the 2.5meg up. |
| 13:10.16 | kraptv | some sort of portakabin of bandwidth. |
| 13:10.17 | cpufreak | uploading photos is a pain on anything less. |
| 13:10.19 | bilarh | 2.5 up is not to be sniffed at, no |
| 13:10.30 | cpufreak | ideally I'd have more |
| 13:10.32 | wethrin | suggests using JPG compression |
| 13:10.36 | cpufreak | but beggers can't be choosers |
| 13:10.37 | wethrin | It's not 'alf bad, y'knkow |
| 13:10.46 | cpufreak | wethrin: they _are_ jpegs. |
| 13:10.55 | cpufreak | well most of the time |
| 13:11.00 | bilarh | suggest resizing to 12000x8000 |
| 13:11.02 | cpufreak | but I can't turn the quality down too much, else publishers complain |
| 13:11.06 | wethrin | ah |
| 13:11.32 | cpufreak | so each image is usually around 3megabytes or more |
| 13:12.33 | wethrin | ouch |
| 13:12.52 | bilarh | dvd? :) |
| 13:12.55 | bilarh | through post |
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| 13:13.05 | wethrin | Mine are about 300k max |
| 13:13.08 | bilarh | that's gotta be more than 512kbit or whatever you get at the moment :) |
| 13:13.17 | wethrin | but then I resize down to 1024x768 for web porpoises |
| 13:14.24 | cpufreak | bilarh: no, not real-time enough. |
| 13:14.26 | kraptv | 2.5 up, home-based virtualhosting is soo 1999. |
| 13:20.45 | bilarh | is unfathomably bored at present |
| 13:21.03 | wethrin | Get a better job |
| 13:21.17 | kraptv | yeah, stop being all fat and stuff! |
| 13:21.25 | bilarh | easier said than done at the moment |
| 13:22.31 | dick_turpin | Fat? Someone must be talking about bilarh |
| 13:22.48 | bilarh | i'm fat, bald and a bastard :) |
| 13:22.59 | bilarh | <-- slap 'ead |
| 13:23.04 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Oi I'm the bald bastard |
| 13:23.11 | bilarh | ^^ slap 'ead also |
| 13:23.18 | cpufreak | kraptv: if you read what I said, I need it for uploading photos to publishers,. |
| 13:23.29 | cpufreak | I have a buch of bxes coloed, which do my 'hosting' |
| 13:31.31 | kraptv | cpufreak: ;-) |
| 13:32.00 | kraptv | cpufreak: you should multiplex by uploading using your neighbor's wireless for another stream. |
| 13:32.37 | kraptv | you're simply taking the multicore mentality and sharing it amongst Granny Edith down the hall who forgot to password protect her D-Link. |
| 13:33.02 | cpufreak | or you could stop trying to give me advice, and go get a job, as I actually do know what I'm doing. |
| 13:33.19 | kraptv | I wasn't being serious! |
| 13:33.34 | kraptv | do you think talking about portakabins on COs is serious!? |
| 13:33.36 | kraptv | Sorry. |
| 13:33.48 | kraptv | buys cpufreak a beer of sorrow. |
| 13:34.48 | kraptv | hands cpufreak a hamburger of regret and urgent validation. |
| 13:35.05 | kraptv | gets a job. |
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| 13:53.58 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: you could get 2 liens ;) |
| 13:54.43 | cpufreak | I had considered that possibility |
| 13:54.54 | cpufreak | but then bt will sting me for the aforementioned 125quid install fee |
| 14:07.12 | mindbendr | 3 hours to go and it's already boring |
| 14:07.29 | mindbendr | i wish one of the server crashes |
| 14:07.53 | bilarh | mindbendr: welcome to my world :) |
| 14:08.09 | bilarh | although i only have 56 minutes and 52 seconds to go :D |
| 14:16.09 | mindbendr | bilarh: do you start early? |
| 14:18.07 | bilarh | 8 |
| 14:18.27 | mindbendr | so how come leave at 4? |
| 14:18.30 | mindbendr | no lunch break? |
| 14:18.37 | bilarh | because i only have an hours lunch break |
| 14:18.40 | bilarh | :) |
| 14:18.49 | mindbendr | well that's what we get as well |
| 14:19.07 | mindbendr | 9-13 , lunchbreak, 14-18 |
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| 15:05.43 | mindbendr | any suggestions for centralized laptop backup software? |
| 15:06.11 | z00dax | rsync ? |
| 15:06.24 | mindbendr | company wide + windows users |
| 15:06.53 | mindbendr | a dev suggested this one, http://sourceforge.net/projects/backuppc/ |
| 15:07.02 | mindbendr | so I'm just wondering is there any good alternatives |
| 15:08.42 | mtd | mindbendr: rsnapshot? But that's still quite CLI |
| 15:10.11 | wethrin | what about....keeping company work on the server? |
| 15:10.29 | z00dax | backuppc works, I know quite a lot of people running it |
| 15:11.09 | mindbendr | mtd: we are using rsnapshot for the servers but it's not a laptop/windows solution |
| 15:11.19 | mindbendr | wethrin: that's dangerous! |
| 15:11.34 | wethrin | heh |
| 15:14.46 | MrKen | backuppc is pretty good, although I've not used it with Windows |
| 15:14.50 | MrKen | (it does support Windows though) |
| 15:15.27 | MrKen | One nice thing is that it handles intermittently-connected machines (like laptops) well |
| 15:17.27 | wethrin | the problem with laptop backup software is that at some point, someone's going to delete a file on the laptop when it's not networked, and demand you get it back. At which point, you can't because it hasn't been backed up |
| 15:19.30 | mindbendr | wethrin: i think the intention is restoring the laptop if it's stolen |
| 15:19.33 | mindbendr | or lost |
| 15:19.41 | mindbendr | rather than a daily usage |
| 15:21.08 | wethrin | Then surely you have some drive images you can just blat onto a new laptop |
| 15:24.19 | boudiccas | MrKen, try rsnapshot, its easy to use |
| 15:31.38 | mindbendr | wethrin: of course not. |
| 15:31.52 | hali | we use vertias netbackup's laptop client for that |
| 15:32.02 | mindbendr | hali: any good? |
| 15:32.04 | hali | can do block wise backups |
| 15:32.07 | hali | yes, it's excellent |
| 15:32.29 | mindbendr | hali: so you setup windows firewall etc manually right? |
| 15:32.37 | hali | no via group policy |
| 15:32.46 | mindbendr | ah domain |
| 15:33.09 | MrKen | boudiccas: *nod* I do use it in some circumstances :) |
| 15:33.43 | hali | veritas costs a bit of dosh though |
| 15:34.21 | hali | like £10k to get started plus hardware |
| 15:36.25 | mindbendr | how many clients included in the start up? |
| 15:36.50 | mindbendr | still £10K is a rip off |
| 15:37.01 | hali | no it's not, it's well spent money for a proper solution |
| 15:37.04 | hali | pending needs of course |
| 15:37.23 | hali | if you buy a linux starter kit you get 5 "server" clients, which can be used on either desktops or servers... that is about £6k or so |
| 15:37.36 | hali | then normal laptop clients are about £150 a pop |
| 15:38.12 | hali | i think it's less for the starter kit actually, probably £4k |
| 15:38.36 | hali | you may want the advanced disk license too, which is 800 quid per Tb or something like that |
| 15:38.49 | mindbendr | uh |
| 15:38.54 | mindbendr | where do you work again? |
| 15:39.51 | hali | financial software company |
| 15:40.29 | hali | but veritas is pretty much defacto standard as the mid-range option |
| 15:40.43 | hali | expects morsing to go off on a rant about tsm |
| 15:41.31 | wethrin | morsing's not here :) |
| 15:42.02 | mindbendr | i was surprised that when I've found out veritas has got it's own filesystem for the backup solutions |
| 15:42.23 | hali | you can use ext3 |
| 15:42.29 | hali | it'll just create img files on that |
| 15:42.33 | mindbendr | nah for clustered stuff |
| 15:42.36 | mindbendr | i meant. |
| 15:42.44 | hali | yes, they usually want to use vxfs |
| 15:42.57 | hali | which used to be defacto standard for mid/high end clustering solutions :) |
| 15:43.22 | hali | pre-5 years ago more or less all sun hw was sold with a vxfs/vxvm license |
| 15:43.33 | hali | it used to be decent software |
| 15:43.50 | hali | basic edition of it is free these days |
| 15:43.56 | hali | vertias foundation suite basic |
| 15:44.02 | mindbendr | ah i didn't know that it's the same thing as JFS |
| 15:45.12 | boudiccas | this is weird, i've got some screen real estate on the right side of my screen which is the exact copy of the left side of the screen, its about 1" in width and perfectly mirrors the left side of the screen but is unable to be moused over |
| 15:45.37 | boudiccas | presumably its because the monitor or the graphics card are overheating? |
| 15:45.39 | ChoHag | Maybe your graphics card is playing silly buggers. |
| 15:45.52 | boudiccas | could be |
| 15:46.28 | boudiccas | i've tried switching the monitor off and then back on to clear it and it made no difference |
| 15:47.02 | mindbendr | overheating is a good posibility, two of the computers at home went down because of the heating this week |
| 15:47.24 | mindbendr | i had to add an extra fan to the case |
| 15:48.11 | z00dax | mindbendr: you have your heating turned on these days ? |
| 15:53.17 | ChoHag | I'm typing up a document, and so typing for more regularly than when I'm coding, and my right little finger feels as if it has no muscles in it at all. |
| 15:57.15 | mindbendr | z00dax: PWT and SysTemp all went up all of a sudden in the weekend and my pc started to scream so I had to add a fan in to the case, I usually don't use any fans other than CPU and GPU as it's too much noisy |
| 15:58.47 | mindbendr | at least we are seeing a proper summer in London |
| 15:59.14 | mindbendr | not like last year. |
| 16:28.57 | mindbendr | z00dax: i meant the weather itself :) sorry |
| 16:29.40 | mindbendr | have a good evening. |
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| 18:02.38 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.23 | boudiccas | any vim gurus about please? |
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| 18:25.07 | boudiccas | right, still trying to boot my system and i ......mount -o remount rw / .... and i get the error message of ..... cannot create link /etc/mtab - perhaps there is a stale lock file? ..... and then i get dumped back at (repair filesystem) 2# .... how do i get rid of any stale lock file please? |
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| 18:57.07 | wethrin | oh, she's gone |
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| 19:01.33 | wethrin | hi boudiccas |
| 19:01.45 | wethrin | a lockfile tends to finish in .lock |
| 19:01.59 | boudiccas | hi wethrin , i've got problems :( |
| 19:02.28 | boudiccas | how can i find it from the command line please? i've got no access to a gui |
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| 19:03.34 | boudiccas | evening DiscordianUK care to join me in \locks please? |
| 19:03.51 | boudiccas | #locks |
| 19:03.52 | DiscordianUK | Hi boudiccas |
| 19:04.10 | wethrin | find . -name ".lock" |
| 19:11.47 | Armand | DiscordianUK! |
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| 19:55.11 | antiphase | man 1 flock |
| 19:56.13 | wethrin | I have tasty beer. That is all. |
| 19:59.37 | antiphase | has cans of Ruddles County |
| 20:00.54 | wethrin | I win. |
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