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| 05:49.47 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:49.48 | morsing | Morning |
| 05:50.19 | Leeds | afternoon |
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| 05:56.05 | morsing | Leeds: What's for tea? |
| 05:56.31 | Leeds | no idea, but I've got a box of veg/chips/pasta for lunch |
| 07:10.48 | j0nr | morning all |
| 07:11.15 | morsing | j0nr! |
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| 07:18.25 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 07:18.58 | bilarh | morsingh! |
| 07:22.11 | morsing | Wimbledon today - woot \o/ |
| 07:24.27 | morsing | bilarh? |
| 07:25.53 | morsing | Leeds: Where's bilarh? |
| 07:26.07 | Leeds | right there on the stair |
| 07:27.43 | morsing | attacks bilarh |
| 07:28.11 | morsing | Leeds: Ok, we're on court 1. Watch out for us scanning across |
| 07:28.43 | Leeds | I can't, but I would if I could |
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| 08:43.15 | bilarh | ah, my latest tune on my ipod... jackson 5 - i want you back |
| 08:43.40 | bilarh | tries to supress the urge to stand up and start dancing |
| 08:45.24 | Mohan | morning all |
| 08:45.43 | bilarh | morning |
| 08:47.11 | Mohan | did anyone try suse studio ? |
| 09:44.37 | rhowe | morsing: apt-get source $pkg |
| 09:45.09 | rhowe | morsing: You'll need some lines starting deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list (and if you change that, you'll need to run apt-get update or aptitude update) |
| 09:45.37 | rhowe | morsing: You can probably grab a source package by pressing 'z' or some other random key in aptitude too, but I don't do aptitude, it's nasty |
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| 10:40.59 | ChoHag | http://www.jobserve.com/WD257B58B970AE676.jsap |
| 10:41.15 | ChoHag | That's just ... Words cannot describe. |
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| 11:51.11 | dick_turpin | bilarh: :-P |
| 11:51.11 | bilarh | slap head |
| 11:51.35 | dick_turpin | Did I miss anything? |
| 11:52.06 | bilarh | nah nothing much |
| 11:52.10 | bilarh | still to unbox the pc :S |
| 11:53.44 | dick_turpin | Went to the wife's, Grandmothers funeral Friday. She like the group Queen, was panicking they'd play "I want to break free" |
| 11:53.53 | dick_turpin | liked |
| 11:58.03 | bilarh | although, to be fair, that would have been a perfect way to go :D |
| 11:58.59 | dick_turpin | I'm gonna become a florist! Sheesh the price of them wreaths! |
| 12:08.18 | bilarh | just remember to leave your willy at the door |
| 12:08.23 | bilarh | i want to be a lumberjack |
| 12:08.39 | wethrin | wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra? |
| 12:08.56 | bilarh | just like my old pa-pa |
| 12:09.29 | kjs | hum, I have setup vsftpd with ssl & tls, i have forwarded port 21 through and it gets as far as LIST then times out |
| 12:09.33 | kjs | any ideas? |
| 12:09.41 | kjs | I have tried passive mode in the client. |
| 12:13.59 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Oi you said you'd never mention that |
| 12:14.05 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:16.05 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Got a good one for ya if you've got two mins? |
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| 12:19.56 | wethrin | sure |
| 12:24.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Last week a customer was talking to me about VM, he is buying two servers from Dell @ £22K each he will then set them up as VM machines running 3 or 4 virtual servers with a sandbox in the middle |
| 12:25.38 | wethrin | right... |
| 12:25.42 | wethrin | That's quite pricy |
| 12:26.41 | dick_turpin | wethrin: So Captain Yellow Back said "We'll that won't work" to which I replied WTF? it'll work like a dream plus there will be no dropping of connections |
| 12:29.21 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Captain Yellow Back then said "Hows he going to be able to do away with 5 Servers then? WTF? |
| 12:29.52 | wethrin | eh what? |
| 12:29.59 | bilarh | 30 hours and 30 minutes to go |
| 12:30.28 | wethrin | until recovery? |
| 12:31.16 | dick_turpin | wethrin: The moral is Captain Yellow Back has no idea about VM |
| 12:31.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Till your sex change op? |
| 12:32.56 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 12:34.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: He would have merged the 5 on to one machine then wondered why the thing kept running like a dog or falling over |
| 12:35.19 | wethrin | Aye |
| 12:35.23 | bilarh | until the weekend :D |
| 12:36.15 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit bilarh |
| 12:36.34 | dick_turpin | fail |
| 12:54.17 | bilarh | ibot: kick dick_turpin |
| 12:59.34 | dick_turpin | fail # 2 |
| 12:59.47 | bilarh | kicks dick_turpin in the nuts |
| 12:59.50 | bilarh | fail that, sucker |
| 13:00.12 | dick_turpin | fail # 3 I'm wearing a box |
| 13:00.32 | bilarh | i thought we established earlier that you were wearing suspenders and a bra? |
| 13:33.52 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Only on a weekend when I'm known as Shirley and I will take a dare |
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| 14:01.06 | bilarh | uh-oh we've got redundancies in the states |
| 14:01.20 | bilarh | and we've got some kind of "meeting" here tomorrow |
| 14:01.32 | bilarh | prays for a big redundancy package |
| 14:02.29 | Leeds | http://www.crypticide.com/dropsafe/article/3183 |
| 14:02.38 | Leeds | coincidentally on the same subject |
| 14:02.45 | Leeds | bilarh: how long is your service? |
| 14:03.46 | ChoHag | Phone interview in an hour. |
| 14:03.54 | ChoHag | But for a job on the other side of London. |
| 14:03.57 | bilarh | two years :P |
| 14:04.09 | ChoHag | Actually over the other side and then onward for a bit. |
| 14:06.57 | bilarh | leeds: damn, that would be ace :D |
| 14:06.58 | bilarh | two months off |
| 14:07.23 | Leeds | actually over 2 years, or not? |
| 14:07.46 | Leeds | IIRC, 2 years is the statutory limit for redundancy payments |
| 14:07.54 | bilarh | ah yes, so it is, isn't it] |
| 14:08.02 | bilarh | 2 years end of july |
| 14:08.04 | bilarh | however |
| 14:08.16 | bilarh | there's taht three month consultancy period thing if anything happens |
| 14:08.19 | bilarh | so i'll be over the limit :D |
| 14:14.16 | Leeds | depends how many people go |
| 14:14.24 | Leeds | if it's less than 60 or something, it's 1 month not 3 |
| 14:14.50 | Leeds | either way you should be good... and hopefully they won't stick to the statutory rules anyway, since the payments there are pretty small |
| 14:15.24 | bilarh | yeah it's like 250 or something a year isn't it? |
| 14:15.58 | Leeds | 1 week's pay per year, capped at a pro rata from 20k per year - something like that, I think |
| 14:16.13 | Leeds | it's over 4 years since anyone in the UK laid me off, and it was Sun :) |
| 14:16.15 | bilarh | that is so incredibly rubbish, i can't believe it |
| 14:16.42 | bilarh | 7 years for me |
| 14:16.57 | bilarh | and then i had the option of moving home and continuing working,so not really laid off then |
| 14:17.32 | bilarh | Collective redundancy consultation |
| 14:17.34 | bilarh | If you plan to make 20 or more employees redundant in one place of work within a 90-day period - a collective redundancy situation - you must: |
| 14:17.36 | Leeds | well, voluntary redundancy |
| 14:17.52 | Leeds | I thought it was 1 month for 20+, 3 months for 60+ sort of thing |
| 14:17.53 | bilarh | Consultation must start in good time - when redundancy proposals are in their formative stage - and at least: |
| 14:17.56 | bilarh | * 30 days before the first redundancy where there are 20 to 99 proposed redundancies |
| 14:18.05 | bilarh | i thought it was one month for like 5 people |
| 14:18.30 | Leeds | you have to remember, redundancy legislation is really aimed at factories and other industrial things, not desk jobs |
| 14:23.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I got made redundant on Christmas eve a few years ago. Nice! No money, had to wait nearly two months to get anything out of the Government |
| 14:23.33 | bilarh | dick_turpin: nice xmas present :S |
| 14:23.47 | bilarh | ah it's capped at 350 a week now |
| 14:24.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: It was even nicer when I came home on the bus as they'd taken the car and the misses was all ready to go shopping |
| 14:24.32 | bilarh | i bet |
| 14:24.59 | wethrin | ouch |
| 14:25.09 | wethrin | which company was this, so we can avoid using them? |
| 14:26.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Actually you'll be shocked when I tell you, it was a mobile phone company who Cauldwells had money in! |
| 14:27.02 | dick_turpin | Had no wages, bonus or holiday pay |
| 14:27.15 | wethrin | ew |
| 14:27.19 | bilarh | isn't it illegal not to have holiday pay? |
| 14:27.37 | wethrin | they probably told everyone they were contractors, or something |
| 14:27.37 | dick_turpin | Ah I had to claim it all |
| 14:28.07 | dick_turpin | I got everything bar the bonus/commission |
| 14:28.54 | bilarh | hmm, oh well, hopefully they don't lay me off until at least beginning of july :) |
| 14:29.02 | bilarh | otherwise i wont have been here for two years or more |
| 14:29.18 | dick_turpin | Me and Christmas are jinxed anyway, I've had three cars die on me on or around Christmas eve |
| 14:30.04 | bilarh | wonders how wise it was to spend 500 quid on "saab tuning gear" this month :S |
| 14:32.28 | dick_turpin | wonders how all these out of work people can still afford to spend seeing as all the shops are rammed everywhere every weekend. Oh and the pubs too |
| 14:33.18 | bilarh | your taxes? |
| 14:33.35 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Probably |
| 14:33.35 | bilarh | and alistairs printing press is running at full speed |
| 14:34.44 | dick_turpin | Supposedly we've had it tough in the Midlands but I'm telling you its like Boom Town in Walsall, Wolverhampton and Birmingham |
| 14:35.02 | boudiccas | its hte gold rush |
| 14:35.07 | boudiccas | *the |
| 14:35.29 | boudiccas | people are spening money as soon as they get it, because they might not have it tomorrow |
| 14:35.34 | boudiccas | *spending |
| 14:35.38 | bilarh | quickly sets up a stand to sell gold pans and spades |
| 14:35.48 | boudiccas | lol |
| 14:36.14 | bilarh | exactly, and that's the problem with this labour government... they've encouraged taking on debt and spending money as soon as you can |
| 14:36.22 | cpufreak | urgh |
| 14:36.23 | cpufreak | brain dead |
| 14:36.28 | cpufreak | you know the way shift will take each argment away until $ARGV[0] is empty... |
| 14:36.29 | bilarh | what's the point of holding on to it when the bank gives you 0.25% or something itnerest |
| 14:36.33 | cpufreak | how can I instead just get all the remaining arguments |
| 14:36.37 | cpufreak | after the first shift |
| 14:36.39 | cpufreak | in perl |
| 14:36.44 | boudiccas | i think that woever is in power will still be encouraging people to spend |
| 14:36.52 | cpufreak | come on |
| 14:36.54 | cpufreak | quick quic |
| 14:36.58 | cpufreak | help, thanks |
| 14:36.58 | bilarh | cpufreak: my @list = @ARGV; shift @list; ? |
| 14:37.18 | cpufreak | well |
| 14:37.19 | cpufreak | I have |
| 14:37.21 | cpufreak | my $threads = shift; |
| 14:37.22 | dick_turpin | Yeah we have no choice but to keep spending |
| 14:37.26 | cpufreak | and then |
| 14:37.27 | cpufreak | I want |
| 14:37.41 | cpufreak | my $foo = <all the remianing args> |
| 14:37.46 | cpufreak | but I aguree I can't do that |
| 14:37.58 | cpufreak | in bash I should just use $* |
| 14:38.05 | cpufreak | s/should/could/ |
| 14:38.06 | bilarh | are you using perl 6 with those $-list references? :) |
| 14:38.09 | cpufreak | perl5 |
| 14:38.22 | cpufreak | its just being brain dead |
| 14:38.25 | bilarh | it needs to be a list then, no? |
| 14:38.31 | cpufreak | wank |
| 14:38.55 | bilarh | my @list = @_ :) |
| 14:40.27 | cpufreak | yes yes yes, but then I need to do some wank to then to work out how many items are remaining in my @list |
| 14:40.32 | cpufreak | and then output them all in a line |
| 14:40.41 | cpufreak | its unnessarily complicated |
| 14:40.50 | bilarh | huh? |
| 14:40.58 | bilarh | elements in list = scalar(@list) |
| 14:41.03 | bilarh | print them out in a line: |
| 14:41.13 | bilarh | print join(", ", @list); |
| 14:41.49 | cpufreak | thats not what I want |
| 14:42.16 | antiphase | n00b |
| 14:42.18 | bilarh | hmm... what do you want then? :) |
| 14:42.25 | bilarh | i'm sure it's fairly simple even in perl |
| 14:43.28 | antiphase | $foo = join ' ', @ARGV; |
| 14:44.11 | cpufreak | n/m I sorted it |
| 14:44.25 | cpufreak | ah that would have worked too |
| 15:11.55 | j0nr | what could this mean? :Jun 22 16:10:13 server getty[15572]: /dev/tty5: cannot open as standard input: Permission denied |
| 15:12.00 | j0nr | thats from my auth.log |
| 15:12.06 | j0nr | and there is an entry like that for almost every second of the day |
| 15:12.27 | j0nr | and my /var/log/wtmp file is 650Mb! |
| 15:14.06 | cpufreak | telinit -q |
| 15:14.10 | cpufreak | and see if it goes away |
| 15:15.50 | j0nr | telinit: illegal runlevel: (null) |
| 15:19.35 | cpufreak | are you root? |
| 15:19.41 | cpufreak | oh s/-// |
| 15:19.45 | cpufreak | so telinit q |
| 15:20.47 | j0nr | nope problem persists |
| 15:20.57 | j0nr | what do you think it is? |
| 15:30.46 | boudiccas | Beer |
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