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| 07:21.20 | j0nr | morning all |
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| 07:54.01 | morsing | Leeds: ping |
| 07:54.18 | Leeds | morsing: yin |
| 08:01.50 | morsing | :)) Last month owed £15000 on two overdrafts, just paid both off and closed one account completely :) |
| 08:02.03 | morsing | offers Leeds a beer |
| 08:02.25 | morsing | Leeds: And I'm going to a Wimbledon match on Monday! |
| 08:02.40 | morsing | Leeds: What's your favourite tipple over there? |
| 08:02.57 | Leeds | Wimbledon nice... means it'll rain |
| 08:03.04 | Leeds | I tend to be on g&t nowadays |
| 08:03.27 | morsing | But it's not nice I've paid off my overdrafts? |
| 08:03.35 | morsing | Leeds: What about your favourite beer? |
| 08:07.55 | bilarh | morning |
| 08:08.14 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 08:08.25 | bilarh | morsing: 15k overdraft :S |
| 08:08.25 | morsing | bilarh: BE happy for me, Leeds is a miserable git |
| 08:08.37 | morsing | cwtches bilarh |
| 08:08.37 | bilarh | it's great that it's paid off, though :D |
| 08:08.41 | morsing | :) |
| 08:08.56 | morsing | ibot cwtch |
| 08:10.04 | morsing | ibot cwtch is http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cwtch |
| 08:10.04 | ibot | okay, morsing |
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| 08:31.41 | morsing | thebrother! |
| 08:31.50 | morsing | thebrother: I'M RICH! |
| 08:39.17 | Mohan | morning! |
| 08:39.23 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 08:39.38 | morsing | I am a bot! I speak weery good english |
| 08:40.37 | bilarh | no you're not, and no you dont :P |
| 08:42.55 | morsing | sneezes in bilarh's tea |
| 08:43.50 | Mohan | morsing: are you good at maths as well ? |
| 08:43.56 | morsing | No |
| 08:48.17 | ChoHag | Will people ever learn that XML isn't always the right format to use? |
| 08:48.35 | Leeds | surely JSON is always the right format? |
| 08:49.06 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:50.07 | bilarh | i hate xml with a passion |
| 08:50.12 | bilarh | it's way too verbose to edit by hand |
| 08:50.30 | ChoHag | If it has 'Java' or more especially 'JavaScript' in it, it is probably wrong. |
| 08:50.32 | bilarh | and it's not even that nice to parse |
| 08:51.10 | ChoHag | bilarh: That's what happens when we try to keep web developers happy. |
| 08:51.21 | morsing | ChoHag: Give them beer instead |
| 08:51.26 | bilarh | web "developer", lol :D |
| 08:51.32 | bilarh | just kidding :) |
| 08:51.50 | bilarh | actually, what is a web developer nowadays |
| 08:52.27 | bilarh | i remember back in the day it used to be someone who could write <thtml><body><blink>click here</blink></body></html> (without the anchor) |
| 08:52.27 | morsing | Reminds me of when an ex-boss of mine asked me "on a scale from 1-5, how good are you HTML programming skills? lol :) |
| 08:52.29 | ChoHag | I don't think we have them any more. |
| 08:52.34 | ChoHag | It's Web Developer 2.0 now. |
| 08:52.40 | ChoHag | Or are we up to 3? |
| 08:52.56 | bilarh | there's different html standards at least |
| 08:53.00 | bilarh | at least three of them |
| 08:53.09 | bilarh | or recommendations, i should say |
| 08:53.15 | morsing | You still can't programme in HTML though |
| 08:53.16 | bilarh | w3.org |
| 08:53.24 | bilarh | no, exactly |
| 08:53.33 | morsing | But web is not HTML |
| 08:54.10 | bilarh | i suppose you could say web is html + a whole load more nowadays |
| 08:54.55 | morsing | Hmm... Web is the framework/network more than what's run in the background I think |
| 09:00.50 | bilarh | i have zero energy today |
| 09:01.03 | ChoHag | It's Thursday. |
| 09:01.10 | bilarh | hmm, so it is |
| 09:01.13 | bilarh | last day of oncall :D |
| 09:12.22 | morsing | bilarh: BEer |
| 09:12.29 | morsing | Beer, I say! |
| 09:12.39 | bilarh | no beer |
| 09:12.41 | bilarh | gokarting :D |
| 09:13.06 | morsing | bilarh: Gokarts are a bit under-powered to move you around, aren't they? |
| 09:13.24 | bilarh | i'm usually pretend I'm bowser from mario kart |
| 09:16.59 | morsing | nibbles on bilarh's nose |
| 09:18.00 | morsing | shags bilarh lovingly |
| 09:18.56 | ChoHag | Karts get pretty fast actually. |
| 09:19.02 | ChoHag | Can't really keep your shopping in the boot though. |
| 09:19.07 | Leeds | wow, made it to 5:20pm today before firefox crashed |
| 09:19.27 | bilarh | leeds: time to go home by then anyway |
| 09:19.28 | morsing | ChoHag: I did outdoor karting with twin-engined 60mph karts and my god it felt slow |
| 09:19.32 | morsing | So boring |
| 09:19.48 | morsing | Leeds: wHY ARE YOU STAYING LATE ANYWAY? |
| 09:19.55 | bilarh | morsing: if that felt slow comapred to your volvo, you weren't trying hard enough :) |
| 09:20.03 | Leeds | not quite... anyway, I need to go get a haircut this evening before going to Taiwan tomorrow |
| 09:20.22 | ChoHag | Oh yeah you're the weird car person. |
| 09:20.31 | ChoHag | Sorry. Weird. Didn't need that. |
| 09:20.33 | ChoHag | It's a given. |
| 09:21.02 | bilarh | chohag: umm... no.. i think *I'm* the weird car person around here :P |
| 09:21.02 | morsing | bilarh: My Volvo is significantly faster then karts |
| 09:21.12 | ChoHag | Oh there's two of you? |
| 09:21.12 | bilarh | morsing: not around bends it aint :) |
| 09:21.19 | ChoHag | No wonder there's actual discussion about it. |
| 09:21.22 | morsing | ChoHag: Thanks, idiot |
| 09:21.38 | morsing | bilarh: It is, I guarantee you |
| 09:22.06 | bilarh | morsing: face it, on a twisty go-kart track your volvo wouldn't stand a chance |
| 09:22.24 | morsing | Wouldn't be far behind |
| 09:22.32 | bilarh | anyway, go-karting isn't about outright speed |
| 09:22.37 | bilarh | it's about driving a kart around bends |
| 09:22.41 | morsing | But would probably be too wide for the track |
| 09:22.49 | bilarh | i like it, a lot :) |
| 09:22.55 | ChoHag | It's about driving a kart around bends while your bum is about 2" off the floor. |
| 09:23.18 | morsing | ChoHag: Plus, squeezed up against a 130 degree hot engine |
| 09:23.51 | bilarh | morsing: what's not to like? :) |
| 09:24.03 | bilarh | nothing to focus the mind as the risk of severe burns :) |
| 09:24.20 | morsing | I've done karting three times in my life and it's entertaining but not *that* fun |
| 09:24.35 | bilarh | i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one |
| 09:24.40 | bilarh | i think it's really good fun |
| 09:24.50 | morsing | Now when I get my 1300 BHP engine in Big Red... |
| 09:25.21 | bilarh | but that will still only be fun in a straight line |
| 09:25.28 | morsing | More moreso... |
| 09:25.50 | morsing | Nothing like having your nose flattened by G-forces |
| 09:26.03 | bilarh | ah you're gonna be drivign it in reverse, then? ;) |
| 09:26.19 | morsing | My nose is on the front of my face, where's yours? |
| 09:30.36 | bilarh | so is it going to be flattened by anything? |
| 09:30.39 | bilarh | anyway, i digress |
| 09:30.42 | morsing | G-forces |
| 09:30.49 | morsing | Are you listening? |
| 09:30.58 | bilarh | yes |
| 09:31.33 | morsing | bilarh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-force |
| 09:31.48 | bilarh | the only way your nose will be flattened is if you smack it into the windscreen |
| 09:31.57 | morsing | Ermm... right |
| 09:32.00 | bilarh | wonders why he bothers |
| 09:32.04 | morsing | Me too |
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| 09:32.15 | bilarh | boo-hoo :( |
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| 10:34.00 | mindbendr | has anyone got any understanding of RRD graphs? I generate load graphics but 1,5,15 average graphics are added up to each other like if the load is 1,1,1 the graph shows 3 but in the text it gives the correct values |
| 10:49.10 | AndyMill1r | what command are you using to graph with? |
| 10:55.39 | mindbendr | AndyMill1r: http://pastebin.com/m6c7617d9 |
| 10:57.40 | mindbendr | AndyMill1r: http://yfrog.com/62pumatvdevloaddailyp |
| 11:14.52 | cpufreak | if you invoke like /bin/bash -c what profile/rc will it read? |
| 11:14.53 | cpufreak | brain isn't working today |
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| 11:38.50 | ChoHag | 'a LAMP environment with Microsoft' |
| 11:46.46 | Mohan | may be its WAMP |
| 11:48.21 | ChoHag | On Windows you'd use IIS so it'd be a WIMP. |
| 12:07.42 | mindbendr | lol |
| 12:07.53 | mindbendr | i would use winamp |
| 12:08.08 | mindbendr | instead of doing WIMP work |
| 12:15.52 | ChoHag | Typical. The two jobs I've currently got a hope of getting are both impractical. |
| 12:17.29 | antiphase | Too many stairs to climb to the office or something? |
| 12:18.09 | ChoHag | Something like that. |
| 12:30.38 | AndyMill1r | mindbendr: i suspect area is not the type you're after |
| 12:31.44 | AndyMill1r | mmh |
| 12:31.45 | AndyMill1r | no |
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| 13:20.04 | mindbendr | AndyMill1r: i fixed it by removing the other load values and left 5 minute average. |
| 13:23.28 | mindbendr | AndyMill1r: there wasn't much sense of having other loads as it's a graphic and the data is being fetched every 5 minutes (nagios) so.. |
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| 13:49.40 | AndyMill1r | hmm |
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| 14:53.41 | bilarh | one hour to go to home time :D |
| 15:03.58 | hali | Nafallo: du -m /ubuntu/dists/jaunty ... how much space do i need to mirror? |
| 15:04.41 | Nafallo | hali: I reckon a full mirror is about 350G or so. |
| 15:04.59 | Nafallo | hali: (the directory you just said doesn't give you what I think you want) |
| 15:05.18 | Nafallo | also, I'm not a sysadmin, so doesn't necessarily have accounts everywhere :-) |
| 15:05.42 | cpufreak | you want /ubuntu/pool thingy wah wah wah blah |
| 15:05.48 | hali | yes |
| 15:05.49 | hali | hm |
| 15:05.52 | cpufreak | but you don't want to just mirror stupidly |
| 15:05.58 | hali | i may just stick a very caching proxy server in front of it |
| 15:05.59 | cpufreak | there's proper ways of doing it to get just want you want |
| 15:06.08 | hali | yes, apt-mirror |
| 15:06.08 | hali | looks ok anyway |
| 15:06.09 | cpufreak | for what you want |
| 15:06.09 | cpufreak | just use apt-proxy |
| 15:06.21 | Nafallo | ehrm. there is something else... |
| 15:06.29 | cpufreak | no, apt-proxy is what you want hali |
| 15:06.35 | Nafallo | hali: debmirror is what people use those days |
| 15:06.38 | hali | i have 25 developers running apt-get randomly and reinstalling their boxes randomly |
| 15:06.54 | Nafallo | cpufreak: aptproxy doesn't do a partial mirror. iz just proxy. |
| 15:06.57 | hali | they do pxe installs from the basic alternatives image so far |
| 15:07.00 | antiphase | Do you have a transfer limit on your Internet connection or something? |
| 15:07.10 | hali | no, but it's only a 10mbit line |
| 15:07.11 | cpufreak | Nafallo: it does, |
| 15:07.18 | cpufreak | Description: Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder apt-proxy automatically builds a Debian HTTP mirror based on requests which pass through the proxy. It's great for multiple Debian machines on the same network with a slower internet link. |
| 15:08.07 | Nafallo | cpufreak: yeah. proxy. it builds a partial mirror of what people request rather than build a partial mirror based on what the admin specifies. |
| 15:08.38 | Nafallo | depending on what hali is actually after it might or might not be the right solution. |
| 15:09.01 | Nafallo | last time I looked at it users had to modify sources.list, which is pain during installations. |
| 15:09.30 | cpufreak | Nafallo: he has 25 random users |
| 15:09.41 | Nafallo | cpufreak: yeah. just saying. |
| 15:09.49 | cpufreak | so I'd think a caching proxy is what he wants |
| 15:09.49 | cpufreak | :) |
| 15:09.57 | cpufreak | and you don't need to change sources.list |
| 15:10.00 | cpufreak | just rewrite the packets |
| 15:10.07 | Nafallo | squid? ;-) |
| 15:10.28 | cpufreak | (puke) |
| 15:10.36 | Nafallo | hali: you haven't got a squid in place already with a few phat disks? |
| 15:12.43 | z00dax | has no one written a avahi interface for apt as yet ? |
| 15:14.23 | hali | Nafallo: i have a bluecoat proxy device with anal nazi rules :) |
| 15:14.35 | Nafallo | hali: hehe. yeager works for them :-P |
| 15:14.39 | hali | Nafallo: but can easily setup apt-get on dev machines to use a squid with some disks |
| 15:15.46 | Nafallo | hali: just set up a transparent one. you control the gateway, don't you? :-) |
| 15:16.44 | Nafallo | anyway. I better get back in to GlobalSwitch. |
| 15:17.04 | Nafallo | had 2h lunch already. |
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| 17:00.14 | mikejw | hi |
| 17:01.06 | cpufreak | ubuntu fail |
| 17:01.07 | cpufreak | Setting up mysql-client-5.0 (5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2) ... |
| 17:01.07 | cpufreak | Setting up mysql-server-core-5.0 (5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2) ... |
| 17:01.07 | cpufreak | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2) ... |
| 17:01.09 | mikejw | anyone seen Jason? |
| 17:01.11 | cpufreak | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 17:01.48 | wethrin | mikejw: There's something on the list about him |
| 17:01.53 | wethrin | (subject: ukfsn) |
| 17:02.00 | wethrin | he's not been a well man |
| 17:02.23 | mikejw | oh no :( |
| 17:03.57 | antiphase | Has the Lord smited him for his disservices to free software? |
| 17:09.18 | mikejw | just when I was finally starting to think seriously about collocation |
| 17:09.54 | wethrin | colocation is pricy. |
| 17:09.57 | wethrin | HTH |
| 17:10.56 | AndyMill1r | idd |
| 17:11.10 | cpufreak | just use hetzner |
| 17:11.13 | cpufreak | seriously |
| 17:11.21 | cpufreak | 49 eur/month for a quadcore intel thingy |
| 17:11.24 | cpufreak | with 8gig of ram |
| 17:11.28 | cpufreak | or something |
| 17:13.47 | AndyMill1r | hmm, that's an i7 as well |
| 17:13.53 | cpufreak | yes |
| 17:13.58 | cpufreak | colo doesn't make sense. |
| 17:14.28 | mikejw | I'm trying to get cheaper data transfer than amazon |
| 17:14.36 | cpufreak | thats easy |
| 17:14.52 | mikejw | the client wants 'exclusive' flash video content and quite a bit of it |
| 17:14.57 | AndyMill1r | hmm, only 4 IPs |
| 17:15.35 | cpufreak | mikejw: what kind of volumes of traffic are you looking at? |
| 17:15.38 | AndyMill1r | ah, they do allow more |
| 17:15.58 | cpufreak | I'd source on ec2 or something, and then use a CDN if I was starting from scratch to do a video system today |
| 17:16.05 | cpufreak | if I had infrastructure already, I'd use that. |
| 17:16.32 | mikejw | hmm |
| 17:16.45 | mikejw | I guess it's not loads |
| 17:17.06 | cpufreak | how much? |
| 17:17.23 | mikejw | well... |
| 17:17.33 | cpufreak | because bandwidth, even using amazon is dirt cheap compared with anything |
| 17:17.53 | cpufreak | I mean compared to other costs associated with running a business |
| 17:18.03 | mikejw | sure |
| 17:18.24 | mikejw | but these guys are used to paying less than $10 a year or something ridiculous |
| 17:18.31 | cpufreak | for _what_ ? |
| 17:18.43 | mikejw | a site with no video :) |
| 17:18.44 | cpufreak | for shitty shared web hosting, perhaps |
| 17:18.52 | AndyMill1r | so, the eur49 server is really eur79 |
| 17:18.56 | cpufreak | AndyMill1r: no its not |
| 17:19.08 | cpufreak | I pay 59eur for mine |
| 17:19.13 | AndyMillar | s/w raid? :/ |
| 17:19.15 | cpufreak | which is an older one different price |
| 17:19.16 | cpufreak | yes |
| 17:19.17 | cpufreak | its fine |
| 17:19.32 | AndyMillar | actuall |
| 17:19.35 | AndyMillar | ok |
| 17:19.39 | AndyMillar | stops caring :p |
| 17:19.43 | cpufreak | for raid1 :) |
| 17:19.44 | mikejw | :D |
| 17:19.49 | cpufreak | I wouldn't do anything else with it. |
| 17:20.04 | AndyMillar | hmm, thing is, the i/o on that server will be the limit |
| 17:20.22 | cpufreak | depends what you're doing |
| 17:20.28 | cpufreak | ignore the size of the disks, thats just stupid |
| 17:20.32 | AndyMillar | idd |
| 17:20.46 | cpufreak | but assuming most stuff there's plenty of memory for caching :) |
| 17:20.53 | AndyMillar | intel i7 with 8gb ram |
| 17:21.53 | AndyMillar | is tempted to get one to free up space on $ukserver |
| 17:22.21 | cpufreak | andy@drift:~$ uptime 18:23:20 up 217 days, 23:26, 9 users, load average: 0.80, 0.68, 0.71 |
| 17:22.24 | cpufreak | stupid c+p |
| 17:22.27 | cpufreak | meh |
| 17:22.38 | mikejw | so I think potentially video the client uploads will equal a terabyte of traffic straight away each time |
| 17:22.53 | mikejw | *each |
| 17:28.00 | mikejw | but there won't be that many |
| 17:29.47 | mikejw | cpufreak: so you wouldn't consider amzon's own Cloudfront CDN? |
| 17:57.05 | cpufreak | mikejw: not for streaming video |
| 17:57.14 | cpufreak | as its not designed for that. |
| 17:57.20 | cpufreak | I used to work with the guy who wrote it. |
| 17:58.09 | cpufreak | they're kinda working on adding video support, but its not at the top or the priority queue, or at least wasn't when they were trying to hire me :P |
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