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| 07:15.25 | j0nr | morning all |
| 07:18.14 | DiscordianUK | morning |
| 07:26.01 | gregj | morning folks |
| 07:27.06 | Leeds | afternoon all |
| 07:42.14 | j0nr | wish it was afternoon already here |
| 07:42.50 | z00dax | woah! easy on, I have quite a lot of things to get done before we can all it afternoon |
| 07:43.40 | DiscordianUK | It's way too early for afternoon |
| 07:51.05 | Leeds | went back to bed for a little bit after breakfast this morning, woke up around 11... so I'm slightly confused what time it is anyway |
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| 08:18.59 | zeroXten | morning |
| 08:19.41 | DiscordianUK | ning |
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| 08:42.12 | Mohan | morning! |
| 09:02.40 | hali | morning |
| 09:02.48 | hali | the "fedora 11 gets it all wrong" thread is rather amusing |
| 09:03.03 | hali | specially peoples lack of understanding of rhel/centos |
| 09:03.49 | DiscordianUK | Hmm I'm just installing F11 |
| 09:04.21 | hali | any good? |
| 09:05.46 | z00dax | I've herd mostly good things about it so far. |
| 09:06.09 | z00dax | although haveto admit, its the quietest release for a linux distro in a long time |
| 09:16.50 | DiscordianUK | I dunno yet |
| 09:18.08 | DiscordianUK | i hate Networkmanager on desktops |
| 09:21.24 | hali | yes, network manager can be a bitch |
| 09:22.00 | DiscordianUK | No chance on install to switch it off,choose IP addresses |
| 09:22.08 | DiscordianUK | that's a lose |
| 09:49.35 | DiscordianUK | Hmm it does boot much quicker than F10 |
| 09:53.23 | ChoHag | Would I really want to work for Crapita? |
| 09:53.46 | Leeds | will it pay rent/mortgage? |
| 09:53.48 | wethrin | What's the pay like? |
| 09:53.52 | ChoHag | And then some. |
| 09:54.05 | wethrin | you'll undoubtedly get pissed off and irritated with them |
| 09:54.17 | wethrin | So you'll need to work on your not-caring attitude |
| 09:54.24 | ChoHag | The pay should be worth it for that. And it's only a 3 month contract. |
| 09:54.33 | Leeds | for 3 months for good pay? yes, take it |
| 09:54.41 | wethrin | oh. Yes. |
| 09:54.45 | wethrin | Go for it. |
| 09:54.52 | ChoHag | Oh it's not that far yet unfortunately. |
| 09:54.58 | ChoHag | Oh and it's in Reading. |
| 09:55.34 | wethrin | Eh. Reading's a bit of a dump. But easy to get to |
| 09:59.45 | ChoHag | Ooh that's good. The pimp actually returned my call. |
| 09:59.50 | ChoHag | That doesn't usually happen. |
| 09:59.51 | wethrin | scary |
| 10:00.18 | ChoHag | He even called just to say there's no news *and* that he'll call by the end of the day whether he hears anything or not. |
| 10:00.26 | ChoHag | I think that's pushing the bounds of credibility though. |
| 10:01.50 | ChoHag | Is possible to paste the contents of the X clipboard (or whatever clipboard-like-thing the middle button does) into the current rxvt? |
| 10:02.14 | ChoHag | Or some way to get fvwm to simulate a mouse click. |
| 10:02.33 | DiscordianUK | i've no idea I use Gnome |
| 10:02.40 | ChoHag | You poor thing. |
| 10:02.56 | DiscordianUK | Not at all I like Gnome |
| 10:03.12 | ChoHag | Yeah I used to, but then I stopped using Windows. |
| 10:03.30 | ChoHag | or 'but then Gnome 2 came out', take your pick. |
| 10:08.27 | antiphase | I usually position the mouse pointer over the window and middle-click |
| 10:08.58 | antiphase | Middle-button paste is an X behaviour, and not one provided by the WM |
| 10:10.49 | DiscordianUK | I don't have a middle button anyway |
| 10:16.18 | ChoHag | "You should have at least 5+ years with a leading consumer web company: Google / Facebook / Skype / Yahoo etc. |
| 10:16.32 | ChoHag | Good luck with that Mr. Startup. |
| 10:16.37 | hali | skype isn't very webby either |
| 10:17.05 | ChoHag | "You must be keen on the social networking space |
| 10:17.22 | ChoHag | Well I think it's a complete waste of time actually. |
| 10:17.22 | hali | strike that! sounds like yet another doom to failure startup :) |
| 10:17.32 | Mohan | well they are expecting someone who has worked on a company which has huge user base. |
| 10:18.08 | ChoHag | hali: It's another short-term contract. I should be in and out before they've had a chance to go belly up. |
| 10:19.17 | ChoHag | And what can one say to all the pimps who want my CV in word formatS |
| 10:19.32 | ChoHag | No. Sorry. It's written in latex. Have your PDF and like it. |
| 10:19.49 | wethrin | but then they can't change it! |
| 10:20.01 | wethrin | you could do a pimp-friendly version of a CV that doesn't contain your name and address |
| 10:20.28 | wethrin | take screenshots, and paste them into word |
| 10:20.30 | ChoHag | I have one. Some are happy enough with that. |
| 10:20.54 | ChoHag | Personally I wouldn't work with a company who bypassed the pimp and spoke to me directly just to save money. |
| 10:21.24 | wethrin | mm |
| 10:23.33 | ChoHag | Rackspace are still desperate for staff. I see adverts from them every day. |
| 10:23.43 | ChoHag | But they didn't want me, so screw 'em. |
| 10:25.17 | cpufreak | ChoHag: maybe thats because you weren't suitable for the role |
| 10:25.23 | cpufreak | and you lack the experience to do it? |
| 10:25.25 | ChoHag | Maybe. |
| 10:25.31 | cpufreak | and your self perception of what you can do is wrong? |
| 10:25.42 | cpufreak | or you just portray the wrong image in an interview situation. |
| 10:25.42 | ChoHag | I'm choosing to believe that their HR just dismissed my CV without really paying attention. |
| 10:25.53 | ChoHag | Oh it never got as far as interview. |
| 10:26.21 | cpufreak | then your CV is probably bollox, or you lack interesting (to them) experience. |
| 10:26.29 | cpufreak | is it online, I'll review/edit it if you like |
| 10:26.31 | ChoHag | My CV is pretty crap. |
| 10:26.42 | cpufreak | fix it then |
| 10:26.46 | cpufreak | don't send a crap CV to people |
| 10:26.48 | cpufreak | you wont get a job |
| 10:27.00 | ChoHag | Not enough actual experience due to shitty choices of jobs coupled with no qualifications. |
| 10:27.13 | ChoHag | I can't change what work I've done. |
| 10:27.25 | cpufreak | no but you can stress the highlights of the jobs |
| 10:29.12 | ChoHag | If I'd actually had a decent job in the past few years it would be a lot easier. |
| 10:30.01 | wethrin | So pick out the choicest bits |
| 10:30.09 | wethrin | And embellish the wording |
| 10:30.28 | wethrin | not to make it untrue, just make it sound better than it was |
| 10:31.19 | wethrin | so, 'bought new desktops for the staff' becomes 'specced and installed new computers to allow staff to work more efficiently' |
| 10:33.18 | ChoHag | "Perfect knowledge of PHP/Apache/Perl" |
| 10:33.53 | ChoHag | Or, in other words, Bu Larry Wall. And Rasmus Lerdorf. At the same time. |
| 10:33.57 | ChoHag | Be |
| 10:35.00 | cpufreak | what do you mean by apache? tomcat, coyote, httpd, wah? |
| 10:48.04 | wethrin | ChoHag: And I bet they pay a pittance, too |
| 10:48.17 | wethrin | For perfect knowledge of those, you're looking at the 6 figures easily |
| 10:50.02 | cpufreak | no such thing as a perfect knowledge of apache httpd. |
| 10:50.08 | wethrin | or perl |
| 10:50.17 | cpufreak | at $JOB-1 we had loads of apache httpd developers |
| 10:51.15 | cpufreak | the closest one came to having perfect knowledge was Colm MacCárthaigh |
| 10:51.21 | cpufreak | meh stupid utf8 |
| 10:52.16 | cpufreak | but he's an exception, most of them didnt' actually know how to use apache, they just had written some code for one part or other |
| 10:52.17 | wethrin | did he command a hefty salary? |
| 10:52.23 | cpufreak | not really |
| 10:52.29 | wethrin | sure. Admin != developer |
| 10:52.37 | cpufreak | that said when Amazon hired him... :) |
| 10:52.44 | wethrin | why should someone who write mod_fooblebrox know how to do loadbalancing? |
| 10:52.50 | cpufreak | ah colm can do both |
| 10:52.51 | cpufreak | he's good |
| 10:53.02 | cpufreak | admin who goes into developing is the right way to go. |
| 10:57.15 | wethrin | rather than a programmer who becomes an admin? :) |
| 11:01.50 | ChoHag | That's the way I did it. |
| 11:06.22 | wethrin | bored |
| 11:06.33 | wethrin | goes at prodding some stuff in the cleanroom |
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| 11:27.16 | cpufreak | programmer becomming admin is bad |
| 11:27.19 | cpufreak | as they do things the wrong way |
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| 11:30.36 | ChoHag | Maybe that's my problem then :) |
| 11:30.41 | ChoHag | What things? |
| 11:54.26 | antiphase | Usually thinking it's a good idea to re-architect something because it's slightly sub-optimal |
| 11:54.35 | antiphase | Rather than just fixing it and going back to reading Usenet |
| 11:55.58 | antiphase | Or coming up with complex over-generalised sultions to simple problems |
| 11:57.34 | Mohan | what does this perl regex do 's/^\D+'|';$|\n//g' ? |
| 11:59.37 | antiphase | Changes a line which matches 1 or more non-digit characters at the beginning of a string, followed by '|'; at the end for a line break, potentially as many times as it appears in the input string |
| 11:59.55 | antiphase | Actually, it doesn't work |
| 12:00.06 | antiphase | fails |
| 12:00.28 | antiphase | It looks like it was written by someone who doesn't understand how regexes work |
| 12:01.38 | antiphase | It looks like it should "Clear a line which matches 1 or more non-digit characters at the beginning of a string, followed by '|'; at then end" as many times as it appears, but the conditional $|\n is nonsense |
| 12:02.21 | antiphase | \n won't match in a regex without specific extra modifiers, and conditionals need to be group with parentheses |
| 12:02.24 | Mohan | it reads this line '$max_date = '2009-06-09';' from a file using readline func |
| 12:02.46 | antiphase | | should also be escaped in the middle of a string or it is treated as a metacharacter |
| 12:04.31 | ChoHag | Yay! Date parsing with regular expressions! |
| 12:05.03 | Mohan | whats the conditional $| for ? |
| 12:05.04 | antiphase | wonders how people get jobs writing this sort of broken shit |
| 12:05.30 | antiphase | I think it should read ($|\n) to match at a line break or line end |
| 12:06.01 | antiphase | You'd split the lines out properly before putting them into a regex though, if you were sane |
| 12:06.25 | Mohan | its not my script, someone has written it and am trying to understand it. |
| 12:07.15 | antiphase | And like I said \n won't match in the LHS of a regex without extra modifiers |
| 12:07.47 | antiphase | It's difficult to understand it without any context really |
| 12:08.33 | antiphase | `perldoc perlre` is your friend for understanding Perl regexes |
| 12:09.40 | Mohan | exact code $text = '$max_date = '2009-06-09';', $text =~ 's/^\D+'|';$|\n//g' |
| 12:10.26 | Mohan | i think that regex shouldnt match at all, cos the line begins with a string and not digit. |
| 12:11.04 | antiphase | \D is a non-digit |
| 12:11.12 | ChoHag | That makes it a little clearer. |
| 12:11.25 | ChoHag | The '|\n' is superfluous. |
| 12:11.30 | ChoHag | 'Change nothing into nothing' |
| 12:11.40 | ChoHag | Unless it has the modifier antiphase mentioned of course. |
| 12:13.51 | Mohan | ok, thanks. |
| 12:15.05 | ChoHag | Basically it strips everything up to, not including, the first digit and the trailing "';" |
| 12:20.11 | Mohan | ok |
| 15:46.33 | dick_turpin | American cop tasers 70 year old grannie http://uk.yahoo.com/ (Sorry but I did laugh) |
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| 17:38.41 | ChoHag | Can we allocate a part of hell for people who write FAQ websites and don't put all the answers on one page or at least provide previous and next buttons for each entry. |
| 17:38.46 | ChoHag | ? |