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| 07:23.36 | ChoHag | Bah. |
| 07:24.03 | ChoHag | First words out of $boss's mouth aren't "we need to restart this service ASAP", they're "why are you [20 minutes] late?" |
| 07:24.17 | ChoHag | No prizes for guessing where priorities lay here. |
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| 07:32.50 | ChoHag | And today's exciting event is that some people have new chairs! |
| 07:53.44 | Mohan | morning all |
| 08:06.19 | j0nr | morning |
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| 08:35.22 | ChoHag | I would just like to say that, although everything from Oracle is shit, Oracle Web Forms is really really shit. |
| 08:37.11 | bilarh | you just have to get into the oracle way of thinking :) |
| 08:37.59 | ChoHag | You mean not? |
| 08:41.57 | bilarh | think suits |
| 08:42.58 | bilarh | thank god it's payday today |
| 08:43.01 | bilarh | i was so broke |
| 08:49.38 | Leeds | yayday! |
| 08:56.52 | Cope | moin |
| 08:57.51 | wethrin | Payday was yesterday up here! |
| 09:04.27 | Cope | hello wethrin |
| 09:04.38 | Leeds | cope! |
| 09:04.54 | Cope | hello Leeds |
| 09:04.58 | Leeds | don't suppose there's much chance of *you* being around London the weekend after Easter? |
| 09:05.05 | wethrin | hi Cope |
| 09:05.07 | Leeds | I really need to send out an email or two... |
| 09:05.12 | Cope | i don't know when Easter is! |
| 09:05.18 | Cope | what are the actual dates? |
| 09:06.25 | Leeds | I will be in London 17th/18th/19th April |
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| 09:07.24 | wethrin | I can be around 17th daytime, but I've got rehearsal in the evening |
| 09:07.50 | Leeds | wethrin: I think we'd already provisionally planned lunch on the 17th? |
| 09:08.17 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
| 09:08.19 | Cope | Leeds: i an be around on the 17th |
| 09:08.23 | Leeds | I haven't decided yet if I'm going to be coming down to London on the evening of the 16th or the morning of the 17th, but I should be around Kings Cross not much later than noonish |
| 09:08.31 | wethrin | sounds good |
| 09:08.32 | Cope | lunch on the 17th would be fine |
| 09:09.08 | Cope | puts it in the diary |
| 09:09.26 | wethrin | hurrah! This means I get to see Leeds *and* Cope |
| 09:09.37 | Leeds | very good :-) |
| 09:09.47 | Cope | excellent! |
| 09:10.19 | Leeds | I'm open to suggestions regarding where, but I might have baggage... maybe I should try to get down on the 16th |
| 09:10.58 | Cope | Leeds: where are you staying? |
| 09:11.12 | Leeds | with a friend in Hendon |
| 09:11.15 | Cope | nods. |
| 09:11.42 | Cope | I'll be in N / NW London that day, but pretty mobile |
| 09:12.43 | Leeds | so travel this year consists of UK in January, Thailand in February, Macau in March, UK in April, China (probably) in May, Taiwan in June, France/Spain (probably) in July... |
| 09:12.49 | Leeds | busy year |
| 09:13.01 | wethrin | Haven't you got a job? :) |
| 09:13.12 | Leeds | yes |
| 09:13.26 | wethrin | heads workwards |
| 09:13.47 | Leeds | Thailand, Taiwan, and China are all weekend things, Macau was a day-trip... |
| 09:14.20 | Cope | ganglia you terrible cunt |
| 09:14.26 | Cope | why aren't you picking up my new machine? |
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| 11:40.12 | Mohan | sm-msp-queue[26727]: grew WorkList for /var/spool/clientmqueue to 69000 |
| 11:41.06 | Mohan | Sendmail just keeps this queue growing and eating up the cpu |
| 11:41.17 | Mohan | does anyone know whats the reason for it ? |
| 11:42.14 | Mohan | but mailq shows that /var/spool/mqueue is empty. |
| 11:42.30 | wethrin | somethings gone wrong |
| 11:46.41 | Mohan | yeah, I know. but why is that queue growing so fast. |
| 11:51.16 | Mohan | ahh figured it, it looks like this machine didnt have the hostname to IP properly configured |
| 11:51.39 | Mohan | so localhost mails queued in the clientmqueue for years. |
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| 12:13.00 | bilarh | dick turpin, who'd have thought |
| 12:13.07 | bilarh | sneers at dick_turpin |
| 12:23.41 | dick_turpin | pokes bilarh in the eye with a rusty nail |
| 12:25.01 | bilarh | does that make me 'ard as nails'? |
| 12:25.33 | dick_turpin | Lard more like |
| 12:25.51 | bilarh | lars as nails? :S |
| 12:27.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ever get the temptation to take an axe to a computer? I'm feeling a bit like that today |
| 12:27.41 | bilarh | soemtimes, but more often it's an axe to your head that tempts me :D |
| 12:28.13 | dick_turpin | It'd just bounce off and the blunt end hit you in the face |
| 12:28.36 | dick_turpin | Mind you it might make an improvement |
| 12:28.40 | z00dax | about 80% of issues these days are down to dns |
| 12:29.42 | bilarh | fascist pigs at it again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7973346.stm |
| 12:30.58 | dick_turpin | Should have tazer'd him |
| 12:31.10 | bilarh | the copper? I agree |
| 12:33.29 | bilarh | hey so, rather conveniently if you're into police brutality at protests, lots of cctv cameras will be turned off at midnight today, as they don't produce enough detail, apparently |
| 12:33.32 | dick_turpin | Anyone :-) I like watching those American cop shows when these hard nuts get tazer'd especially if they give them a couple more bursts while they are on the ground |
| 12:33.32 | bilarh | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/30/cctv-london-government-transport-g20 |
| 12:34.28 | dick_turpin | Nothing like a little electrocution to brighten up your day |
| 12:34.40 | bilarh | hehe |
| 12:36.54 | dick_turpin | Have you seen that film "Taken" with Leam Neilson (Spelling) The stunt with the nails was pretty cool too |
| 12:37.03 | bilarh | nope |
| 12:37.05 | dick_turpin | Liam? |
| 12:37.09 | bilarh | as in, not seen it |
| 12:37.54 | dick_turpin | He sticks 6 inch nails in this blokes thighs wires him up to the house lights then turns the lights on! I bet that smarts |
| 12:38.10 | bilarh | yaoweee |
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| 14:11.02 | ChoHag | I think I'm not the only person who got bored here. |
| 14:11.03 | z00dax | that vacancy thread needs to die sometime soon |
| 14:11.18 | ChoHag | 84 lines of perl from January 2007 to scp files from one box to another. |
| 14:12.30 | z00dax | is it unit tested ? |
| 14:14.01 | bilarh | sounds a bit big for a perl program |
| 14:14.08 | bilarh | might be better rewriting it in java instead? |
| 14:16.24 | wethrin | what's wrong with "scp"? |
| 14:16.26 | wethrin | one line shell |
| 14:17.14 | ChoHag | It sounds a bit big for a perl programme which writes the awk to create the shell script to tell the XML-based copy service to copy the files. |
| 14:17.29 | wethrin | wtf? |
| 14:19.27 | ChoHag | Quite. |
| 14:20.11 | ChoHag | I don't know whether to rewrite it or not. |
| 14:20.27 | ChoHag | It's not directly causing the problem we have but it certainly isn't simplifying the issue. |
| 14:21.24 | bilarh | flags a warning for obscure special cases |
| 14:21.44 | ChoHag | None. |
| 14:21.59 | ChoHag | It logs to stderr, which cron then emails so that we may ignore it. |
| 14:22.06 | bilarh | make sure you analyse the code properly if you're going to rewrite it, as often I find something that makes no sense what so ever on the face of it, so i rewrite it and then after about two months it becomes obvious that whatever it was that was being done "stupidly" made sense :) |
| 14:22.16 | bilarh | aha, in that case, delete :) |
| 14:22.45 | ChoHag | The file consists of one function which loops over X files on Y servers, and fork/execs for each. |
| 14:22.58 | bilarh | aha |
| 14:23.14 | bilarh | sounds like a job for bash on the face of it |
| 14:23.19 | ChoHag | It is. |
| 14:23.55 | ChoHag | Actually I tell a lie. It doesn't do anything per file, it lets globbing take care of that. |
| 14:24.06 | bilarh | hehe |
| 14:24.31 | ChoHag | for s is (servers); do mkdir -p X; rm -f X/*; scp s:Y*Z X; done |
| 14:24.48 | ChoHag | Actually I'd rather the mkdir/rm was mv and mkdir |
| 14:25.05 | ChoHag | With the duster taking care of cleaning up the old boring crap. |
| 14:25.56 | ChoHag | The real meat is in the 1000-line script which analyses the log file in a number of ways. |
| 14:26.39 | wethrin | 1000-line script? |
| 14:26.44 | wethrin | That doesn't sound very good |
| 14:26.53 | bilarh | 1000 lines is nothing |
| 14:27.02 | bilarh | i've seen much bigger korn shell scripts than that used in production |
| 14:27.05 | wethrin | If it's that long, it should be a real program :) |
| 14:27.22 | bilarh | try a bunch of 8-9k line scripts for, essentially, transferring files at the bank i used to work at |
| 14:27.28 | bilarh | with embedded awk and expect :D |
| 14:27.58 | wethrin | ewwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 14:27.59 | bilarh | i tell a little lie, it did dataloads as well of transferred files, but still a huge beast |
| 14:28.02 | ChoHag | 1000 lines of perl. |
| 14:28.27 | ChoHag | Not particularly big, in the grand scheme of things, except the job is too simple to need that much. |
| 14:28.53 | bilarh | i don't actually have a conceptual problem with big perl programs... i think perl is perfectly adequate to handle even large scale programs |
| 14:29.14 | ChoHag | Aye. |
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| 18:58.08 | Armand | Rawr! |
| 19:10.36 | Armand | http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-police-recover-huge-stash-of-stolen-45dbed5.html |
| 19:10.39 | Armand | lol |
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| 19:25.02 | Armand | Disc, cat! |
| 19:25.04 | Armand | :) |
| 19:37.03 | hali | apu |
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| 19:44.46 | morsing | Happy birthday wethrin! |
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