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07:50.14ChoHagAccording to the BBC the world will end on Sunday.
07:50.16ChoHagSunrise the following day is 'N/A'.
08:21.37Mohanmorning all.
08:39.20j0nrmorning
08:41.35bilarhmorning
09:14.12bilarhsummer is going to be hell here
09:14.17bilarhit's only end of march
09:14.22bilarhand it's already full of fit girls :D
09:19.39j0nrwhere's here?
09:22.45ChoHagWell by that description it certainly ain't here.
09:39.42kjsbilarh: why is that hell ?
09:40.07bilarhbecause i've got too little room in the front of my trousers
09:40.28bilarhalso, all the blood goes out to the, ahem, membrane, which beign the size it is, makes me light headed :)
09:40.45bilarhis it time to wake up already? :(
09:49.03wethrinbilarh: Wear larger trousers
10:11.56bilarhwow, has anyone tried the eee-box?
10:12.01bilarhhttp://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5070097/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7COffice%252C%2BPCs%2Band%2Bphones%7C12108629/c_2/2%7Ccat_12108629%7CComputers%2Band%2Blaptops%7C12108658/c_3/3%7Ccat_12108658%7CDesktop%2Bcomputers%7C12108676.htm#tabrev
10:12.05bilarhseems ok for 200 quid
10:13.14bilarhhttp://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5070097/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7COffice%2C+PCs+and+phones%7C12108629/c_2/2%7Ccat_12108629%7CComputers+and+laptops%7C12108658/c_3/3%7Ccat_12108658%7CDesktop+computers%7C12108676.htm
10:13.18bilarhoh sorry, double post :)
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11:57.19ChoHagMy teeth feel like they're expanding as the anaesthetic wears off.
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14:27.37ChoHagMmmm. Be.
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14:35.11wethrinOuch. That's a bit heavy
14:35.43wethrinThose connections wibbles are REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING
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14:44.07ChoHagMeh.
14:44.17ChoHagFunny perhaps.
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15:20.10AndyMillari'm with wethrin on this one
15:20.32antiphaseBan, ban, ban
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15:21.15wethrinI think that should do it?
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15:23.59AndyMillaryeah :)
15:25.11wethringoodoh
15:25.14wethrinI've left him a message
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16:01.10wethrinHaaaa. Another vacancy posting on Gllug. How long before people rip it apart, saying £24-28k is a pittance, and they'll only get monkeys?
16:01.22AndyMillarthey'll get graduates
16:01.27AndyMillaroh, he wanted 2 years experience
16:01.30wethrinThey want 2+ years....yeah
16:02.41AndyMillartbh, that's reasonable for a graduate (with *some* experience) from a low end university
16:02.47AndyMillaror a school leaver with some experience
16:03.11ChoHagI'd have liked that after leaving school.
16:03.15ChoHagActually I'd have liked that a lot.
16:03.58AndyMillartbh, it kinda sounds like it would be a fun job
16:03.58wethrinhey, I'd rather have a low-paid job than no job at all
16:04.02wethrinYMMV,of course
16:04.18AndyMillarbut it pays pittance :(
16:04.43wethrinfor London, possibly
16:05.03AndyMillarphp dev outside of London pays ~17k for graduates :(
16:05.30wethrinthat's not much. But if it gets you on a career ladder....
16:05.45AndyMillarit's fine if you're outside London
16:05.53AndyMillaras it's so cheap there
16:06.03wethrinpff
16:08.55AndyMillari should respond saying "i'm saddened by the level of salary offered. This job sounds like it would be very good fun however you will be putting off any remotely serious candidates"
16:09.27wethrinI'm sure someone else will say something similar
16:09.45AndyMillartrue
16:09.57ChoHagGive me another 10-15 and I might even consider learning PHP for them.
16:10.18antiphaseRecent graduate + PHP = probable oversupply + lack of experience
16:10.20AndyMillartbh, i'd consider that for 45k ;p
16:10.32AndyMillargraduates suck
16:10.49wethrinantiphase: If they're experienced, they wouldn't be using PHP?
16:11.20ChoHagNobody with experience would use php.
16:11.22antiphasePossibly, although I can't totally slate PHP now as some large sites have managed to use it
16:11.34AndyMillarChoHag: what would you use?
16:11.43ChoHagSome large sites have managed to use all sorts of crazy things.
16:11.56ChoHagAndyMillar: dunno.
16:11.57wethrinPHP is handy for simple frontends, or grabbing things from a database
16:12.02ChoHagIt's been a while since I did web work.
16:12.09ChoHagNot that and not java.
16:12.12AndyMillarI'd use PHP as it's damn quick to deploy and managable
16:12.13wethrinA lot of the very serious sites will have some proper language in the background
16:12.34ChoHagAndyMillar: I'd consider php if and only if it's used for templating only.
16:13.09AndyMillarby the looks of their clients (npo, charities) their sites won't be complex
16:13.12ChoHagAnd I'd persuade TPTB to get somebody else to write it.
16:20.44AndyMillarthere we go, i've started the bandwagon
16:25.01wethrinHeh. You should've put a silly salary suggestion in there
16:27.05ChoHagAh yes. Good point.
16:27.10ChoHagrevises his email
16:27.20AndyMillar45k and I'd be sorely tempted :p
16:27.44ChoHag~£ or £~?
16:28.16AndyMillarcirca <figure>
16:28.35AndyMillaror the 1st one
16:28.38AndyMillar~ outside
16:28.39ibotit has been said that outside is unknown.  it sounds scary, some day i'll have to look out there.  make sure it doesn't kill me.
16:29.07AndyMillarpeople will give up posting job vacancies at this rate :p
16:30.10AndyMillarChoHag: fair :)
16:30.22wethrin"Dear Gllug posters. We people who have jobs do not want people without jobs, to get jobs. So please stop posting vacancies. Love, Gllug."
16:31.08ChoHagIndeed. Keep the peons downtrodden.
16:31.11AndyMillarheh
16:31.11ChoHagDirty rats.
16:37.38AndyMillarph god
16:37.39AndyMillaroh
16:37.42AndyMillarhere comes the torrent
16:49.05ChoHagWho's started it? Martin?
16:49.29ChoHagNo. He keeps himself aloof until he can't hold it in any more.
16:50.10wethrinBah. Tet's putting some sensible comments in the discussion
16:50.14wethrinThat's no fun!
16:50.50ChoHagThen you should say so.
16:50.52ChoHagLike this...
16:51.07wethrinlike I just did?
16:51.24Mohanwethrin: ban him for making sensible comments ?
16:51.31wethrinthat'd be silly
16:54.17Mohanwethrin: someone spoke there in behalf of you.- stop spoiling a good argument.
16:54.30wethrinthat would've been me
16:55.43Mohanoh ok.
17:07.34Mohanpirate bay to offer $7 a month VPN for torrenting sounds intresting
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17:37.08AndyMillar;p
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21:26.41Copemoin
21:26.53Copeerm evening even
21:47.57wethrinHey Cope
21:48.07Copehi wethrin
21:48.07wethrinHave you stabilised your network? :)
21:48.17Copehah - yes!
21:48.36Copesomeone had put their bag on the network cable connecting my desk to the main switch
21:48.54Copeso it kept breaking!
21:49.22wethrinD'oh!
21:49.38Copehad to do some de-bagging to work out what was going on :P
21:50.15wethrinAt least it's debagged now
21:50.25Copeindeed
22:30.04AlexSo, I signed up for the gllug mailing list today. That was a mistake.
22:30.18AlexI've had 7 emails through. 6 of which have been from this 'Nix' chap.
22:30.34wethrinHeh. You signed up on a bad day
22:31.51Copehello Alex
22:32.14Copen
22:32.17Alex'allo
22:33.24Copeare you the chirpy chap who is from Russia, and wishes to come to England?
22:34.34AlexUh, no.
22:34.37AlexWait, I missed a trick here.
22:34.43Copeoh ok
22:34.49AlexYES, I AM BEAUTIFUL RUSSIA WOMAN. SEND ME MONEY FOR TICKET AND I COME LOVE YOU
22:34.51Alexor something.
22:34.57Copenice
22:35.06AlexNo, I'm not. I'm the slightly offensive chap currently living in Londonia. :)
22:35.13Copeexcellent
22:35.22wethrinSlightly offensive chap.........so that's pretty much anyone from Gllug :)
22:35.30Copeindeed
22:35.40wethrinAlthough living in London cuts it down
22:35.47AlexI also occasionally mash my keyboard^W^W^Wpost on uknot, too. which makes it worse. :)
22:41.11Copetwats about with ganglia

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