| 00:16.43 | rhowe | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=75508&l=88329&id=615751572 |
| 00:16.44 | rhowe | snowy! |
| 01:19.58 | Leeds | bah, you arctic people |
| 01:24.45 | cpufreak | http://flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/sets/72157613249697260/ |
| 01:27.33 | Leeds | the reckoning here is that we're done with winter... that temperatures won't go below 10C or so again until the end of the year |
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| 03:41.01 | an0key | Morning! |
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| 04:10.58 | an0key | No London buses WTF http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/buses/default.html |
| 04:45.14 | Leeds | impressive |
| 04:48.15 | an0key | Isn't it just |
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| 06:22.48 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 07:01.44 | morsing | Morning |
| 07:48.57 | an0key | yay cawfy |
| 07:49.12 | morsing | an0key! |
| 07:49.20 | an0key | 'ning |
| 07:49.40 | ChoHag | There is >4" of snow outside. |
| 07:49.50 | ChoHag | stays home today |
| 07:50.37 | morsing | wants to go to Wales tomorrow :( |
| 07:52.03 | ChoHag | Good luck with that. |
| 07:53.11 | morsing | :( |
| 07:53.38 | morsing | Can you save a satellite photo from Google Maps? |
| 07:54.26 | morsing | ChoHag: No text from my girlfriend since I left yesterday... |
| 07:55.00 | ChoHag | Phones are out |
| 07:55.16 | morsing | ?? Are they? Well, they weren't yesterday, were they? |
| 07:55.26 | ChoHag | Well not out, but busy maybe |
| 07:55.27 | morsing | You can't even print the satellite photos... |
| 07:55.38 | morsing | ChoHag: She's just being difficult |
| 07:55.45 | morsing | Dinner from hell last night |
| 07:59.47 | ChoHag | I don't know the office number. |
| 08:00.08 | morsing | ? |
| 08:00.19 | morsing | She's not in the office |
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| 08:01.56 | Leeds | I ditched my jacket at lunchtime and went out in trousers and a short-sleeved polo shirt |
| 08:02.30 | morsing | konadr! |
| 08:02.42 | morsing | Leeds: How do I get a pound sign in pssh? |
| 08:02.44 | konadr | morsing! you're alive |
| 08:02.52 | konadr | is stuck under the snow |
| 08:03.08 | morsing | konadr: Why not? |
| 08:03.08 | konadr | good old tfl and them suspending all buses |
| 08:03.21 | konadr | i thought you would have been killed by the snow |
| 08:03.35 | morsing | I'm snowed in but don't have to go anywhere |
| 08:05.08 | konadr | horray! |
| 08:08.50 | morsing | How can I make a headline style thing in a LaTeX letter format? Like \subsection in report? |
| 08:10.54 | morsing | Hello? |
| 08:13.09 | konadr | interesting question |
| 08:13.51 | morsing | Indeed |
| 08:18.31 | an0key | I love it, I live the furthest away from the office, and the only one in... FAIL |
| 08:20.12 | konadr | god seems like they are willing to pay for a cab to get me in |
| 08:20.19 | konadr | suspects he can ask for higher wages |
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| 08:27.01 | morsing | konadr! |
| 08:34.53 | hali | i quite like the snow |
| 08:35.10 | an0key | Booo, made it into the office, now they're shutting the office, so got to go home |
| 08:35.30 | Leeds | that sucks |
| 08:35.55 | an0key | indeed |
| 08:35.59 | an0key | only two of us made it |
| 08:36.17 | hali | ffs |
| 08:36.19 | hali | that sucks |
| 08:36.25 | hali | why shut the office |
| 08:36.29 | hali | that is so english |
| 08:36.57 | an0key | well partly because we'll fail over to DR mode, whereby all the phones switch to sip from our homes..etc |
| 08:36.59 | konadr | morsing! damn vpn connected |
| 08:37.05 | konadr | anyway looks like im going in |
| 08:37.06 | konadr | fuck it |
| 08:37.14 | konadr | i mean |
| 08:37.15 | konadr | damn it |
| 08:37.26 | konadr | an0key, thats hawt |
| 08:37.28 | ChoHag | You should swap with an0key. |
| 08:37.32 | ChoHag | He seems to want to. |
| 08:37.40 | konadr | ok an0key let's swap |
| 08:37.47 | konadr | then i dont have to walk to archway in the snow |
| 08:38.21 | an0key | haha sweet |
| 08:38.25 | konadr | :) |
| 08:38.25 | an0key | what do you do? |
| 08:38.29 | konadr | sys admin |
| 08:38.37 | konadr | turns out everyone else abandoned ship |
| 08:38.41 | hali | better make sure there are tube lines running before walking all the way |
| 08:38.45 | an0key | yeah seems so here too... |
| 08:38.51 | konadr | aye norn line is running ok |
| 08:38.55 | konadr | well part suspended |
| 08:39.00 | konadr | damn it to hell |
| 08:39.02 | konadr | why me |
| 08:39.07 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:39.13 | konadr | looks forward to playing the hero in the office |
| 08:39.20 | an0key | I'd check my return journey, but C2C;s site seems b0rked now too |
| 08:39.29 | konadr | c2c cardiff |
| 08:39.37 | an0key | essex |
| 08:39.42 | ChoHag | konadr: Have you secured a 'bending to the whim of a retarded manager to keep the office running when nobody will use it' bonus? |
| 08:39.43 | konadr | ahh right |
| 08:40.00 | konadr | pretty much ChoHag |
| 08:40.20 | konadr | people said oh ya lets work from home, its like nobody will do a damn thing today |
| 08:40.23 | konadr | thats for sure |
| 08:40.40 | konadr | ok i will take pics and bring them in later |
| 08:40.58 | ChoHag | My boss was in the hotel last night from outage work over the weekend so he's in the office today. |
| 08:40.58 | konadr | for all us uk and ireland folks |
| 08:42.20 | an0key | now do I go home, or find a nice cawfy shop to sit in for best part of the day |
| 08:49.42 | konadr | cawfee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:49.46 | konadr | > archway |
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| 09:05.57 | morsing | j0nr! |
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| 09:29.00 | kinko | why cant vpn stop working in snow :( |
| 09:30.45 | morsing | Pull the plug? |
| 09:35.27 | an0key | kinko: add a byte to your cert, pretend it never worked |
| 09:40.40 | j0nr | morning all |
| 09:48.35 | an0key | j0nr: morning |
| 10:18.39 | hali | hm, about 25% of the staff in the office this morning |
| 10:19.31 | hali | excluding my boss who lives about 30 mins away and could walk in but can't be arsed |
| 10:19.31 | Nafallo | yea. GS2 is quite empty as well :-) |
| 10:19.31 | an0key | 3 out of about 40 of us intoday |
| 10:19.31 | an0key | Isn't GS2 always empty? |
| 10:19.31 | Nafallo | an0key: no |
| 10:20.11 | Nafallo | we used to have receptionists and stuff... ;-) |
| 10:20.23 | Nafallo | some random bloke sitting there now :-) |
| 10:20.45 | an0key | Nafallo: only people I've ever seen in there is the random security guards, and the odd tech |
| 10:24.32 | Nafallo | an0key: well, I'm here daily fwiw... I see a lot more people then what you say. |
| 10:25.09 | an0key | Nafallo: You're talking about Global Switch 2? right..? |
| 10:25.25 | Nafallo | an0key: yes |
| 10:25.32 | Nafallo | the building I'm sitting in. |
| 10:25.35 | an0key | Things bust change quickly then |
| 10:26.35 | Nafallo | anyway. I'm heading for the vending machines. bbs. |
| 10:29.01 | antiphase | wtf is bbs? |
| 10:30.30 | Nafallo | be back soon |
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| 10:34.33 | tripitaka | anyone know a good way to get photos from an iphone onto a fedora machine? |
| 10:35.57 | morsing | tripitaka! |
| 10:36.24 | antiphase | Download them using Windows or OSX, then copy them using your choice of file transfer mechanism |
| 10:36.26 | tripitaka | I just made an enormous snowball in the park, now the pic's trapped on my phone |
| 10:36.47 | tripitaka | no windows/osx available, only centos/fedora/xandros |
| 10:37.17 | antiphase | Tough titty then. You shouldn't have bought a proprietrary device if you want to moan about openness :P |
| 10:37.20 | tripitaka | here's an iphone app which turns your phone into a webdav server, but that sounds like overkill |
| 10:37.58 | tripitaka | well, that's me told. |
| 10:38.20 | kraptv | Is www.royalmail.com slow for any of you guys? |
| 10:38.50 | morsing | kraptv: Fine here |
| 10:38.56 | morsing | Maybe it's the snow? |
| 10:39.03 | kraptv | yeah, dammit! |
| 10:39.07 | bilarh | snooow :S |
| 10:39.11 | bilarh | is staying at home |
| 10:39.22 | morsing | bilarh: Car broken again? |
| 10:42.11 | bilarh | nah just 25cm of snow |
| 10:43.12 | Nafallo | haha |
| 10:43.34 | Nafallo | bilarh: I must have dreamt you being Swedish... ;-) |
| 10:44.08 | morsing | Nafallo: It's all the other idiots on the road here... |
| 10:44.37 | Nafallo | :-) |
| 10:52.59 | hali | idiots without winter tires |
| 10:53.04 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:53.39 | antiphase | People usually don't have "winter tyres" sitting around |
| 10:53.53 | wethrin | Yeah. There's normally not sufficient call for them in this country |
| 10:53.56 | antiphase | They used to have snow chains, until alloy wheels became common |
| 10:54.03 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:54.09 | wethrin | Not for the 3 days a year the roads are snowed in |
| 10:54.10 | morsing | Snow tyres != winter tyres |
| 10:54.10 | wethrin | hi morsing |
| 10:54.29 | antiphase | It's not Scandiwegia, damn it! :P |
| 10:54.34 | morsing | Everyone should drive on winter tyres in the winter |
| 10:54.56 | wethrin | assumes morsing has put his winter tyres on, then |
| 10:55.00 | morsing | I have |
| 10:55.06 | morsing | In November as always |
| 10:55.36 | wethrin | AAISP++ # Sends me SMSes when my broadband line goes down and up |
| 11:03.34 | bilarh | as above, it's not so much that i can't handle myself |
| 11:03.42 | bilarh | it's just that the other drivers around here can't |
| 11:03.48 | wethrin | other drivers-- |
| 11:03.55 | bilarh | i've already had a couple of near misses due to 3rd party drivers this winter |
| 11:04.09 | bilarh | one car slid across the road in front of me when it was snowy last |
| 11:04.22 | bilarh | i stopped already because i could see he was going way to fast to make the corner he was coming around |
| 11:04.33 | wethrin | Ah, so he was a twat. Fair do |
| 11:04.43 | bilarh | the other was a little metro sitting too close to me and just stopping in time when i had to slow down |
| 11:04.46 | wethrin | Sometimes the slides just happen even if you're going really slowly |
| 11:04.48 | bilarh | he missed me by about half a metre |
| 11:05.01 | bilarh | yeah but people here don't leave enough of a gap |
| 11:05.11 | wethrin | "Yes, folks. When it's snowing, stopping distances *increase*. So STAY BACK" |
| 11:05.13 | bilarh | either that, or they drive 2mph instead |
| 11:05.24 | bilarh | which means you have to overtake |
| 11:05.29 | bilarh | which is not great when it's snowy |
| 11:05.51 | wethrin | They all drive slower here. But faster than 2mph. |
| 11:06.01 | wethrin | Which is fair enough, given the number of junctions and traffic lights and things |
| 11:06.02 | bilarh | ok walking pace :) |
| 11:06.04 | bilarh | 3mph :) |
| 11:06.16 | wethrin | You couldn't slow down safely enough if you got up to 30 |
| 11:06.32 | wethrin | suspects winter drivers are slightly more competent in the Frozen North |
| 11:07.57 | wethrin | wonders what he was planning on doing today |
| 11:08.47 | bilarh | not thirty |
| 11:10.52 | wethrin | No, they tend to stick to about 20 |
| 11:11.00 | wethrin | Which seems fair enough given the roads |
| 11:11.41 | wethrin | So, who went to the Gllug meeting? |
| 11:11.44 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 11:11.59 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater Longon LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 11:12.02 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 11:12.39 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:20.43 | kinko | what new kit nafallo ? |
| 11:20.55 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:21.18 | Nafallo | kinko: couple of new DB servers. |
| 11:25.07 | Mohan | wethrin: i did |
| 11:25.32 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 11:25.57 | Mohan | morsing! |
| 11:26.11 | Mohan | morsing: did you come to the gllug meeting ? |
| 11:26.22 | morsing | No of course not |
| 11:27.30 | Mohan | why is that ? you are in this channel 24x7. so whats wrong in coming there ? |
| 11:27.57 | morsing | Too far and I have no money |
| 11:28.20 | morsing | I'm also a bit stressed and busy at the moment and don't know anyone going |
| 11:28.47 | Mohan | hmm thats understandable. |
| 11:29.22 | Mohan | though i went i didnt find it really intresting. |
| 11:29.44 | Mohan | its more of a programmers meeting. |
| 11:30.13 | morsing | I know. Not really up for it at the moment. When I get some money and a girlfriend that's not messing me about... |
| 11:30.28 | Mohan | but there was a demo of cross compilation of same C code which can be used in linux/windows. |
| 11:32.24 | Mohan | which looked nice. but i was expecting something intresting from a sys admin view. |
| 11:33.03 | Mohan | anyways good luck for you get some money and a new gf. |
| 11:33.14 | Mohan | err... for you to |
| 11:33.35 | morsing | Mohan: Don't need a new one, just the present one to behave |
| 11:34.06 | Mohan | ok |
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| 11:53.52 | morsing | jpds! |
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| 12:15.00 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:16.06 | dick_turpin | morsing: TaDa |
| 12:16.10 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:19.15 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Take your snow back mush |
| 12:24.56 | bilarh | oi |
| 12:24.56 | morsing | Mohan: Correction - I think I need a new one |
| 12:25.06 | bilarh | i had to not go to work because of you english drivers |
| 12:25.07 | morsing | kisses bilarh's nose |
| 12:25.51 | bilarh | thanks |
| 12:26.01 | bilarh | now i'm cold, have a wet nose and feel violated :( |
| 12:29.18 | cpufreak | http://flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/3247477192/in/set-72157613249697260/ |
| 12:39.15 | dick_turpin | violates bilarh some more |
| 12:39.38 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:40.45 | cpufreak | Tea. |
| 12:41.25 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: We have just a little bit more snow up here than in that picture |
| 12:42.03 | cpufreak | this is sw3 |
| 12:42.21 | cpufreak | its the most snow here in about 18 years |
| 12:43.31 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: Can you hang to it for me I have a customer in Alaska I'm hoping to off-load it too ;-) |
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| 12:48.35 | cpufreak | wtf? |
| 12:48.40 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:52.43 | Mohan | I have like 4" thick snow around my home. |
| 12:53.03 | morsing | Mohan: In Turkey? |
| 12:53.19 | Mohan | so i decided no to go to work :D |
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| 12:53.41 | Mohan | nope am in North london. |
| 12:53.48 | morsing | mindbend1! |
| 12:53.55 | morsing | Mohan: When did you move? |
| 12:54.03 | mindbend1 | morsing! |
| 12:54.11 | mindbend1 | have you guys made it to work? |
| 12:54.16 | wethrin | I'm in work |
| 12:54.24 | wethrin | I'm not a wuss who's scared by a bit of white stuff |
| 12:54.28 | Mohan | I am working from home :> |
| 12:54.30 | mindbend1 | i'm working from home, not much to do except port scanning |
| 12:54.39 | mindbend1 | wethrin: well tell it to the southwest trains. |
| 12:55.17 | Mohan | morsing: i have moved almost a year back. |
| 12:55.18 | morsing | wethrin: "Work" :) |
| 12:55.38 | mindbend1 | i didn't quite like the idea working from home, it's boring |
| 12:56.09 | Mohan | mindbend1: thats true, i really hate it sometimes |
| 12:56.47 | wethrin | morsing: Shush you :-P |
| 12:57.36 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 13:01.36 | mindbendr | i wonder would that be possible to update fedora9 to fedora10 with yum |
| 13:03.14 | dick_turpin | morsing: That has to be the funniest, excellent timing responses I've seen from you in what, two years? "What Turkey?" |
| 13:03.37 | morsing | ? |
| 13:04.01 | dick_turpin | (12:53:01) Mohan: I have like 4" thick snow around my home. |
| 13:04.01 | dick_turpin | (12:53:21) morsing: Mohan: In Turkey? |
| 13:04.05 | morsing | dick_turpin: Mohan is from Turkey... |
| 13:04.07 | antiphase | Racist fail |
| 13:04.14 | mindbendr | is Mohan from turkey? :) |
| 13:12.28 | mindbendr | Mohan: are you from turkey? |
| 13:16.09 | Mohan | mindbendr: i am from northlondon and not from turkey |
| 13:16.52 | dick_turpin | lol |
| 13:17.08 | morsing | Mohan: Why did you tell me you were from Turkey? Or was it mindbendr? |
| 13:17.08 | mindbendr | Mohan: well i'm from turkey so morsing might have confused if he's not insisting about calling north london as turkey |
| 13:17.13 | morsing | :) |
| 13:17.14 | mindbendr | it was me probably |
| 13:17.36 | mindbendr | but i have to admit, north london is like turkey, it's turkish everywhere, don't ever go there. |
| 13:18.12 | Mohan | morsing: how could i have went to gllug, if i would have been from turkey ? |
| 13:18.45 | morsing | Mohan: No idea |
| 13:18.50 | Mohan | would you expect me to fly from turkey to attend gllug ? |
| 13:19.01 | morsing | Yes, of course |
| 13:19.21 | Mohan | i dont think anyone would do that. |
| 13:19.54 | morsing | mindbendr did |
| 13:20.15 | Mohan | mindbendr: Is it snowing in turkey ? |
| 13:20.28 | mindbendr | Mohan: it does in the winter |
| 13:20.38 | mindbendr | not at the moment though |
| 13:20.42 | Mohan | ok |
| 13:21.02 | mindbendr | from what i've heard at least. |
| 13:22.30 | Mohan | whats the best way to splits a long line in bash |
| 13:22.36 | Mohan | err.. split |
| 13:22.38 | mindbendr | \ |
| 13:23.44 | Mohan | well i have output of whois command stored in variable which i want to split with . character |
| 13:24.02 | Mohan | so that i can extract only the fields i need using grep |
| 13:24.12 | mindbendr | there are a few things |
| 13:24.16 | mindbendr | you can use `cut` i think |
| 13:24.37 | mindbendr | cut --help |
| 13:25.17 | wethrin | Yes. cut is your friend |
| 13:36.18 | antiphase | recommends perl, as usual |
| 13:39.56 | wethrin | never use perl where awk would do. Never use awk where grep would do |
| 13:39.57 | wethrin | etc. |
| 13:40.33 | morsing | Beer |
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| 13:49.35 | ChoHag | HR have written a letter making the people who made it to the office today look like heroes rather than fools and instructed everyone to be in tomorrow. |
| 13:49.41 | ChoHag | Walking if necessary. |
| 13:49.53 | ChoHag | s/letter/email/ |
| 13:49.58 | morsing | an0key! |
| 13:50.53 | mindbendr | HR must have made it to the office with enthusiasm |
| 13:52.20 | londo | we just got an email that the department will be closed today |
| 13:52.39 | mindbendr | has anyone one made network manager working with VPN? |
| 13:53.14 | ChoHag | s/with VPN// |
| 13:53.23 | mindbendr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.56 | mindbendr | i think it excepts for a password but i haven't set up any password so it supposed to work with the ssl keys (which it does with openvpn itself) |
| 13:56.32 | antiphase | You could just set up openvpn yourself so you know it works, and invoke it when the network interface comes up or even before |
| 13:57.26 | mindbendr | ? |
| 13:59.43 | mindbendr | antiphase: could you explain `invoking` part? |
| 13:59.55 | DiscordianUK | With which vpn client? |
| 14:00.06 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: fedora network manager openvpn plugin |
| 14:00.09 | ChoHag | Some old README: "even though I have 32 Mb of memory, largely enough for |
| 14:00.11 | DiscordianUK | NM works with openvpn |
| 14:00.16 | ChoHag | the installation" |
| 14:00.20 | DiscordianUK | I use Fedora |
| 14:00.33 | antiphase | invoke, as in `invoke-rc.d openvpn start` |
| 14:00.40 | antiphase | Start, initiate, ... |
| 14:00.43 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: there's a box for `private passwords` but i haven't set any password from the error message, i suspect that's the issue |
| 14:00.50 | DiscordianUK | service openvpn start |
| 14:00.57 | DiscordianUK | on fedora |
| 14:00.58 | mindbendr | openvpn itself works |
| 14:01.07 | mindbendr | i'm trying to make it working with NM and openvpn service is running |
| 14:01.11 | DiscordianUK | Hmmm |
| 14:01.19 | DiscordianUK | Never done OpnVp |
| 14:01.21 | mindbendr | i can pastebin my openvpn cfg file |
| 14:01.29 | mindbendr | but i don't think that'd help for nm |
| 14:01.30 | DiscordianUK | openvpn with psks |
| 14:01.48 | DiscordianUK | I always use x.509 certs using easyrsa2 |
| 14:02.12 | DiscordianUK | More secure that way too |
| 14:02.47 | antiphase | openvpn isn't a service so much as a standalone application; you're just using NM to configure it presumably |
| 14:03.13 | mindbendr | antiphase: yeah, what i'm saying is `openvpn --config myfile.conf` works |
| 14:03.18 | an0key | I've had no problems using NM with OpenVPN from FC8 to FC10... |
| 14:03.30 | DiscordianUK | Indeed nor have I |
| 14:03.46 | an0key | Well, once SELinux has been put to bed ;) |
| 14:04.09 | DiscordianUK | s/put to bed/disabled/ |
| 14:04.17 | an0key | correct |
| 14:04.45 | DiscordianUK | Don't start me off about selinux |
| 14:05.06 | an0key | lol |
| 14:05.13 | an0key | first thing that gets disabled on new builds |
| 14:05.19 | bilarh | actually, some people use it |
| 14:05.20 | DiscordianUK | Same |
| 14:05.28 | bilarh | i believe hali uses is on his web servers, e.g. |
| 14:05.39 | DiscordianUK | RSBAC looks more fun |
| 14:11.08 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:12.12 | dick_turpin | Just sold 15 Samsung NC10 Netbooks, XP Home Boo |
| 14:13.02 | antiphase | I hope you ripped them off |
| 14:14.00 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I wish, I used to sell em Refurb Dells and make £2000 I'll be lucky to make £500 |
| 14:37.49 | an0key | anyone happen to know what the PCWorld return policy is? |
| 14:38.00 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:46.32 | dick_turpin | I think you just need the receipt and within 21 days (Not sure about the days part) |
| 14:48.03 | an0key | http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/RefundsReturnsPolicy hmm just readnig this bought a notebook a few days ago, but the 3g modem keeps 'usb' disconnecting, so hardware fault, but CBA with warrenty. But the site mentions must basically not be removed from box..etc |
| 14:48.56 | hali | an0key: that's all BS if there is a hardware fault |
| 14:49.07 | hali | an0key: they have to exchange it as long as they can't prove you broke it |
| 14:49.38 | hali | they have no obligation to give you a refund though, just a replacement |
| 14:49.46 | mindbendr | if it keeps snowing like this, i wonder are the trains gonna work tomorrow |
| 14:49.49 | DiscordianUK | Can't you just get a replacement usb 3g modem or is it inbuilt? |
| 14:49.50 | hali | and they may whine and moan about the problem if you're not using the OS it came with |
| 14:49.59 | an0key | its inbuilt |
| 14:50.06 | hali | and you are using the same Os it came with? |
| 14:50.09 | DiscordianUK | The local doninoes is shut |
| 14:50.13 | an0key | it does it both in supplied windows and fc |
| 14:50.18 | DiscordianUK | dominoes |
| 14:50.30 | an0key | suppied being xp home...eek |
| 14:50.31 | hali | then it's an obvious hw error and they have to repalce it |
| 14:50.31 | mindbendr | no pizza for you today |
| 14:50.43 | an0key | I just want an instant swap, not some sendoff crap |
| 14:51.05 | DiscordianUK | I have no food, freezer defrosted when I was in hospital for 15 days |
| 14:51.19 | DiscordianUK | My home delivery seems to be off too |
| 14:54.51 | mindbendr | are you at work? |
| 14:55.11 | DiscordianUK | No at home |
| 14:55.28 | DiscordianUK | The medical problem is my foot |
| 14:55.44 | DiscordianUK | It won't help if I get it frozen at all |
| 14:55.53 | mindbendr | ah, don't you have any small local pizza shops around the neighbourhood |
| 14:56.17 | DiscordianUK | That one is 5 mins away |
| 14:56.34 | DiscordianUK | Local pizza hut is collection only today as well |
| 14:56.35 | mindbendr | so if you remember the name, google it |
| 14:56.38 | mindbendr | that works for me usually |
| 14:56.45 | mindbendr | uh |
| 14:56.58 | DiscordianUK | I'm going through the list at the moment |
| 14:57.04 | mindbendr | i would give a go for a pizza no matter of what |
| 14:57.22 | DiscordianUK | I have others to try still |
| 14:57.43 | mindbendr | isn't there a website that includes all the available shops that you can order online in the UK? |
| 14:58.43 | DiscordianUK | Don't know of one |
| 14:59.36 | mindbendr | we had one in turkey that was really cool, you put your order online independent on the shop, they sort it out for you |
| 14:59.51 | DiscordianUK | Sounds good |
| 15:00.00 | mindbendr | they made loads of money |
| 15:00.13 | mindbendr | and there were quite good deals |
| 15:00.20 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 15:00.22 | mindbendr | i'm surprised that there isn't one here |
| 15:07.51 | an0key | mindbendr: there is, it totals your shopping and tells you the cheapest... whats it called |
| 15:08.17 | an0key | mysupermarket.co.uk |
| 15:08.27 | mindbendr | an0key: but it doesn't put your order in place? |
| 15:08.52 | an0key | mindbendr yeah it does |
| 15:08.53 | mindbendr | and the one i meant is about ordering fastfood |
| 15:09.08 | mindbendr | like pizza,kebaps etc |
| 15:09.12 | an0key | mindbendr: ah i see |
| 15:09.21 | an0key | now that would be cool though |
| 15:09.55 | mindbendr | an0key: have a look http://www.yemeksepeti.com |
| 15:10.06 | mindbendr | it's got an icon to change the language to english |
| 15:10.34 | DiscordianUK | Pizza hut/dominoes do online ordering for delivery but neither is delivering today due to the snow |
| 15:10.36 | mindbendr | and click on 34 |
| 15:11.45 | an0key | kfc delivery, they soooo should here too |
| 15:12.07 | mindbendr | thanks now i'm starving |
| 15:12.08 | DiscordianUK | Oh if only KFC delivered |
| 15:12.33 | Leeds | they do here |
| 15:13.36 | an0key | hmmm thinknig i may have to brave the roads for kfc now |
| 15:14.00 | DiscordianUK | They don't round here, I know McD deliver in the City but they don't here |
| 15:14.16 | an0key | DiscordianUK: do they? where |
| 15:14.28 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:14.52 | DiscordianUK | The one on cannon street used to |
| 15:16.24 | an0key | hmmm |
| 15:16.37 | an0key | doubt the one near my office would, esp at 5am :P |
| 15:18.02 | DiscordianUK | I doubt they're open at 5am |
| 15:18.36 | an0key | my local one to the office is 24/7 |
| 15:19.11 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh |
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| 15:20.25 | morsing | highbury! |
| 15:20.45 | highbury | yo! |
| 15:20.59 | Leeds | highbury! |
| 15:21.04 | Leeds | long time no see |
| 15:21.09 | highbury | actually went along to the meeting the other day |
| 15:21.15 | highbury | same here leeds |
| 15:21.23 | Leeds | how's life, what's new, etc? |
| 15:21.24 | highbury | hows hk? |
| 15:21.53 | highbury | currently working in Bristol, although snowed in today |
| 15:22.08 | highbury | still living in berks |
| 15:22.12 | Leeds | HK is a lot warmer than the UK :-) |
| 15:23.39 | highbury | still happy out there? |
| 15:24.33 | Leeds | yup... for now at least |
| 15:24.50 | Leeds | still waiting for my third visa, but work is good in the meantime... |
| 15:27.35 | highbury | hmm, it seems like there were quite a few new people at the meeting. though the talks weren't much to my tast |
| 15:28.06 | highbury | e |
| 15:28.43 | highbury | at least there weren't any holiday snaps! |
| 15:28.46 | Leeds | were they any good though? |
| 15:31.29 | highbury | well, the first was talking about cross-compiling applications onto Windows done by the same guy who gave a talk about his holiday snaps |
| 15:32.04 | highbury | works for redhat. |
| 15:32.09 | DiscordianUK | That'll be rich jones |
| 15:32.24 | highbury | yep, that's the guy |
| 15:32.35 | highbury | then there was a talk on Qt |
| 15:33.10 | highbury | both a bit too windows programmy for a die-hard scripter like myself |
| 15:33.34 | highbury | there was supposed to be a talk on OpenOffice but the speaker had to bail out |
| 15:33.37 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 15:33.56 | DiscordianUK | OOO3 is cool |
| 15:34.06 | highbury | bit boring on the whole for me. I prefer talks with more Linux focus |
| 15:34.38 | DiscordianUK | I see no point in mingw |
| 15:38.32 | highbury | I'm sure some developers might feel a need, but not of much interest to Gllug meeting attendees |
| 15:38.55 | highbury | but, hell! at least they held a meeting ! |
| 15:39.14 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 15:39.19 | Leeds | it is technically a *User* group |
| 15:39.54 | DiscordianUK | In the 1990s LUG's were really rather different |
| 15:40.11 | DiscordianUK | Which is when I last went to a GLLUG meet |
| 15:40.38 | DiscordianUK | Back when we were at that place in docklands |
| 15:40.52 | Leeds | that was a long long time ago |
| 15:41.08 | DiscordianUK | Twas yeah |
| 15:41.52 | DiscordianUK | I remember Steff my gf losing an ethernet pcmcia card one meet there which was annoying |
| 15:44.05 | ChoHag | Fucking linux. |
| 15:44.34 | ChoHag | Java is trying to allocate more memory than is available, so what does Linux do? Does it tell java that it can't have the memory or does it kill random stuff? |
| 15:45.08 | DiscordianUK | You can set min/max limits for the java vm |
| 15:45.20 | DiscordianUK | on the jvm command |
| 15:45.27 | ChoHag | Yeah it is either ignoring them or Linux is killing things before it's even run out of memory. |
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| 16:05.42 | morsing | boudicca! |
| 16:11.29 | morsing | boudiccas! |
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| 16:36.01 | an0key | so who;s gonna try to go to work tomorrow |
| 16:36.21 | mindbendr | me |
| 16:36.40 | mindbendr | i hope the trains won't work, fingers crossed |
| 16:37.02 | mindbendr | at least i could have a proper lunch at home |
| 16:37.17 | mindbendr | and had the chance to upgrade fedora9 to 10 |
| 16:38.50 | [Discordian] | not me but I'm not working |
| 16:39.10 | [Discordian] | I like Fedora 10 |
| 16:39.29 | an0key | I do too |
| 16:39.34 | mindbendr | [Discordian]: what's new with 10? |
| 16:39.48 | mindbendr | i've checked the change log but there wasn't anything fancy |
| 16:40.04 | [Discordian] | Mostly just incremental changes |
| 16:40.17 | an0key | Not a huge amount really, freshrpms is a lot better vs atrpms..etc |
| 16:40.27 | [Discordian] | selinux is supposed to be better |
| 16:40.31 | an0key | qemu is incorportated more, i.e. for KVM |
| 16:40.42 | [Discordian] | s/freshprms/rpmfusion/ I think you mean |
| 16:40.52 | mindbendr | well there's xen anyway |
| 16:40.56 | an0key | I do yes, freshrpms was the old one |
| 16:41.40 | [Discordian] | xen still isn't support on F10 as DomU |
| 16:41.45 | [Discordian] | supported |
| 16:42.08 | [Discordian] | I like qemu anyway |
| 16:42.26 | mindbendr | uh i thought it's part of the kernel after the recent changes, thought they put xen into the kernel anyway |
| 16:42.45 | mindbendr | strange though, rhel has got it but fedora doesn't? |
| 16:43.03 | [Discordian] | RHEL is well downstream of Fedora |
| 16:43.18 | mindbendr | yeah so it supposed to be on fedora before rhel |
| 16:43.45 | [Discordian] | It's DomU that's missing,not Dom0 |
| 16:44.28 | mindbendr | what's the usual authentication method for VPN, I have created SSL certs with easy rsa, is that the right way of doing it? |
| 16:44.33 | mindbendr | for corporate use |
| 16:44.46 | an0key | SSL+Passphrase? |
| 16:44.57 | mindbendr | just SSL certs no passphrase |
| 16:45.10 | an0key | I'd use passphrase for a corp env |
| 16:45.11 | [Discordian] | I always use easyrsa |
| 16:45.15 | mindbendr | why would you use passpharase? |
| 16:45.45 | mindbendr | it looks like network manager openvpn plugin doesn't support passphrase less method |
| 16:45.54 | an0key | same reason as having a password on any cert/key, so if lost, there is an added protection in place for whoever gets it not to be able to connect straight away |
| 16:45.56 | [Discordian] | You don't really unless perhaps if it's a roadwarrior connection |
| 16:46.26 | mindbendr | an0key: but if it's lost, you can disable the cert? |
| 16:46.36 | mindbendr | from CRL |
| 16:46.57 | an0key | mindbendr: of course you can, but what happens in the mean time from lost > sys admin doing it |
| 16:47.41 | an0key | if its not road warrier, and a firewall > firewall I wouldnt use a passphrase, i'd mostly use ipsec for those tho |
| 16:49.33 | mindbendr | it's a little bit confusing, all the certification variations |
| 16:49.58 | [Discordian] | easyrsa makes it easy enough |
| 16:51.16 | an0key | [Discordian]: do you think thats how they came up with the name? :P |
| 16:51.41 | mindbendr | yeah but there are loads of Cryptography algorithms, IP Sec, x.509 |
| 16:51.45 | mindbendr | I don't even know what they mean |
| 16:52.10 | [Discordian] | an0key: goodness, never thougt of that |
| 16:53.51 | mindbendr | on the openvpn settings in the firewall, it doesn't have anything to set up the passphrase |
| 16:54.17 | mindbendr | it's got PKI and shared keys as the methods |
| 16:55.06 | [Discordian] | NM on f10 will let you enter a passphrase |
| 16:55.51 | [Discordian] | 'Enter private key password' |
| 16:55.52 | mindbendr | [Discordian]: the firewall is freebsd, it's got openvpn support but it doesn't have any setting to enable passphrase, i can pass custom commands though but it would mean putting the passphrase in cleartxt |
| 16:56.58 | [Discordian] | i dunno about openvpn on freebsd , but it should be the same as any other openvpn implementation |
| 16:57.09 | [Discordian] | including windows |
| 16:57.17 | an0key | [Discordian]: Agree |
| 16:57.49 | an0key | Interesting, I setup passphrase, on my notebooks cert/key actually, didnt notice windows asking for it actually... hmmm |
| 16:57.49 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 16:57.49 | mindbendr | i was wondering that whether is it a specific protocol/option that allow you to use passphrases |
| 16:58.00 | mindbendr | on the serverside |
| 16:58.23 | DiscordianUK | It is sensitive to having the same version of OpenVPN on eveything |
| 16:59.00 | DiscordianUK | Or at the very least ensuring the server has the later version |
| 16:59.51 | antiphase | Since the private key has a passphrase, the server version is irrelevant |
| 17:00.19 | mindbendr | antiphase: so does it put into the key file? |
| 17:00.34 | mindbendr | antiphase: on the serverside? |
| 17:00.40 | antiphase | A passphrase-protected private key is *encrypted* with the passphrase |
| 17:00.58 | DiscordianUK | which indeed stays on the server |
| 17:01.06 | mindbendr | so you generate it with SSL |
| 17:01.09 | antiphase | private keys are never divulged; the server has a public key, called a "certificate" |
| 17:01.14 | mindbendr | i don't need an option on the server to enable it |
| 17:01.30 | antiphase | There's no point having a passphrase-protected key on the server |
| 17:01.40 | DiscordianUK | I'd recommed again using easyrsa |
| 17:01.48 | antiphase | It's just annoying and implies that your server is unsecured |
| 17:01.56 | DiscordianUK | to generate your keys and stuff |
| 17:02.37 | antiphase | If you want to safeguard connectivity over the VPN, your private key needs to be encrypted with a passphrase, and your OpenVPN implementation needs to support unlocking it during startup |
| 17:02.49 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: I've used easyrsa but Network Manager's open VPN plugin sends a property as `no-secret` and in the message log, `no-secret` invlaid or not supported |
| 17:02.50 | antiphase | Either that or encrypt your whole file system |
| 17:03.21 | mindbendr | so apparently I can't use NM openvpn plugin without a passphrase, if i'm not wrong |
| 17:03.37 | an0key | mindbendr: what OS are you using for the client? |
| 17:03.45 | mindbendr | an0key: freebsd (pfsense) |
| 17:03.50 | mindbendr | ah for the client |
| 17:03.51 | mindbendr | fedora9 |
| 17:04.11 | mindbendr | just upgrading to fedora10, thought it might help if they've upgraded the application |
| 17:04.41 | an0key | what version of NM are you using |
| 17:04.48 | an0key | rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager |
| 17:05.30 | mindbendr | NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.12.svn4326.fc9.x86_64 |
| 17:05.34 | mindbendr | NetworkManager-openvpn-0.7.0-16.svn4326.fc9.x86_64 |
| 17:08.53 | an0key | mindbendr: you've yum update'ed too? |
| 17:09.13 | an0key | I have 0-18 here, but I am on x86 so may not be avail on x64 |
| 17:11.37 | DiscordianUK | 0-16 here and I did a full yum update yesterday on x86 F10 |
| 17:11.43 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:12.05 | mindbendr | an0key: yeah I've just yum updated before starting the upgrade process, strangely there's a tool to upgrade from fedora9 to 10 ;) |
| 17:12.50 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: have you tried using it without a passphrase at all? |
| 17:13.06 | an0key | mindbendr: hmm can't seem to replicate here, but haven't a x64 to test on, would suggest filing a bug at fedora's bugzilla for it |
| 17:13.21 | an0key | dan williams usually picks them up pretty quickly ;) |
| 17:13.42 | mindbendr | an0key: I will do if I can be sure, it might be our firewall screwing up or my setup but it should work without a passphrase I think |
| 17:13.51 | DiscordianUK | My home openvn is not passphrased |
| 17:14.03 | DiscordianUK | just uses signed certs |
| 17:14.22 | mindbendr | hmm that's not cool for me then, have you tried with fedora9? |
| 17:14.26 | DiscordianUK | Not that I use it much |
| 17:14.38 | mindbendr | we will see then the upgrade is finished then ;) |
| 17:14.46 | DiscordianUK | I no longer have f9 installed |
| 17:14.48 | mindbendr | vpn is a nice thing |
| 17:14.53 | DiscordianUK | Sure |
| 17:15.02 | DiscordianUK | IPSEC is good to |
| 17:15.12 | an0key | I have openvpn connecting all my OOB's in various DC's... very cool |
| 17:15.13 | mindbendr | i wonder how does it cope with ubuntu, all the developers use ubuntu in the company |
| 17:15.19 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 17:15.26 | DiscordianUK | but getting various ipsec implementations to interoperate is not fun |
| 17:15.28 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: could you explain why is it good? I have no idea about it but it's available on the firewall |
| 17:15.36 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: but I've prefered to use openvpn |
| 17:15.36 | an0key | mindbendr: I have ubuntu on my EEE, ovpn works pretty well.... |
| 17:15.53 | mindbendr | an0key: not the ovpn, tell me about the GUI or NM |
| 17:16.05 | mindbendr | an0key: they are gonna come up with saying `how do we GUI this?` |
| 17:16.06 | DiscordianUK | IPSEC isn't based on SSL |
| 17:16.22 | an0key | mindbendr: eh? |
| 17:16.31 | DiscordianUK | It was designed from scratch as a secure protocol |
| 17:16.48 | mindbendr | an0key: because my current setup is working with openvpn --config config.file but not with NM that's all my concern atm :) |
| 17:16.50 | antiphase | OpenVPN is really easy unless you insist on making it difficult. IPsec is like having your face smashed in with a hammer |
| 17:17.09 | mindbendr | antiphase: is it hard to setup? |
| 17:17.33 | antiphase | By all accounts it's horrible and to be avoided if you can avoid it |
| 17:17.57 | antiphase | It does what it was designed to do, which means it's a gnarly monster with big claws |
| 17:18.02 | an0key | @antiphase hahaha, most firewall>firewall setups for IPSEC are ok... |
| 17:18.05 | mindbendr | lol |
| 17:18.08 | antiphase | OpenVPN is a bit of a hack that works nicely and is easy to set up |
| 17:18.25 | DiscordianUK | Indeed that is openvpn's stength |
| 17:18.36 | DiscordianUK | strength |
| 17:18.37 | mindbendr | is it possible to say Ipsec is slower then OpenVPN protocol wise? |
| 17:18.47 | an0key | Only problem I have with ovpn is its cpu overhead for any bandwidth'y transfers |
| 17:18.50 | DiscordianUK | That would be incorrect |
| 17:19.00 | an0key | mindbendr: otherway around |
| 17:19.06 | mindbendr | uh |
| 17:19.07 | DiscordianUK | IPSEC is inherently faster |
| 17:19.23 | mindbendr | I pray for that they don't demand ipsec |
| 17:19.28 | mindbendr | afterall |
| 17:19.35 | mindbendr | got no excuse |
| 17:19.43 | DiscordianUK | But ipsec is tricky to setup if you've never done it before |
| 17:20.12 | antiphase | tests CPU usage of openvpn |
| 17:20.41 | an0key | antiphase: push a few mb/s through it ;) |
| 17:20.49 | mindbendr | any bandwidthy transfer would be cpu overhard, so no reason to worry |
| 17:21.14 | DiscordianUK | Especially if you have to do NAT traversal |
| 17:21.41 | antiphase | 20% CPU at both ends at 20Mbps |
| 17:21.49 | mindbendr | is it possible to do NAT on the same subnet? |
| 17:22.04 | mindbendr | i couldn't have done it, don't ask why would i need it |
| 17:22.40 | antiphase | What sort of NAT? |
| 17:22.46 | DiscordianUK | what subnet? |
| 17:22.48 | mindbendr | biNAT |
| 17:23.08 | mindbendr | in the company, they setup the network with 192.x.x.x addresses NATed |
| 17:23.15 | mindbendr | the firewall does the NAT translation |
| 17:23.25 | DiscordianUK | Right |
| 17:23.33 | mindbendr | now we merge another network to this one to get rid of this 192. |
| 17:23.50 | mindbendr | 192.9.200.x they have use |
| 17:23.55 | mindbendr | *use |
| 17:23.56 | mindbendr | used |
| 17:24.08 | DiscordianUK | Do they own 192.9.200? |
| 17:24.12 | mindbendr | no |
| 17:24.15 | mindbendr | that's the problem |
| 17:24.24 | DiscordianUK | Fire your network admin |
| 17:24.32 | mindbendr | so in the second firewall we have got 10.x.x network and 192.9.200.x network (there's no network admin) |
| 17:24.53 | DiscordianUK | That's broken |
| 17:25.00 | mindbendr | but as the routing doesn't go through the first firewall, when I try to access from the other network to the external IP addresses |
| 17:25.10 | mindbendr | there's no NAT translation if you are not coming from 10.x.x network |
| 17:25.16 | DiscordianUK | 192.168 is another RFC1918 range like 10/8 |
| 17:25.27 | mindbendr | for 10.x.x.x network, i could setup NAT but it doesn't work for the same ip block (192.x.x.x) |
| 17:25.55 | DiscordianUK | remembers demon using 4/8 in a similar broken mannert |
| 17:25.59 | antiphase | Like I said the other day, you need to rip it apart and start again |
| 17:26.05 | antiphase | It's clearly a clusterfuck |
| 17:26.06 | mindbendr | 10.x.x.x > 192.9.200.x (nat works) but not for 192.9.200.x > 192.9.200.x |
| 17:26.22 | mindbendr | antiphase: i know but I don't have a choice, it's not my call |
| 17:26.49 | antiphase | We can't fix it from here anyway |
| 17:27.00 | mindbendr | I've tried giving real ip addresses to virtual interfaces etc, didn't help |
| 17:27.01 | an0key | 192.9.200 > 192.9.200 wouldnt go via a firewall. Same subnets communicate directly |
| 17:27.21 | mindbendr | an0key: when i ping 80.x.x.x real ip, it replies from 192.9.200.x |
| 17:27.23 | DiscordianUK | If the two endpoints are on the same net then you need a bridge not a firewall/router |
| 17:27.59 | an0key | mindbendr: does it reply from it's own IP or its DGW? |
| 17:28.02 | mindbendr | an0key: it works from 10.x.x network when i ping 80.68.x.x |
| 17:28.15 | antiphase | You need to find someone to fix it that has the first idea about networking |
| 17:28.22 | mindbendr | an0key: when i ping 80.x.x.x it's translated by NAT on the firewall to 192.9.200.x for 10.x.x.x network |
| 17:28.26 | antiphase | I know that's rude, but it's terribly true |
| 17:28.44 | antiphase | Otherwise you'll make even more of a mess than there is already |
| 17:28.57 | mindbendr | an0key: but it doesn't do the same thing for 192.9.200.x network even though i ping 80.x.x.x it replies back from 192.9.200.x as it's the only ip on the NIC so it doesn't get translated by firewall somehow |
| 17:29.00 | an0key | antiphase: seconded |
| 17:29.12 | mindbendr | antiphase: i can't object to that |
| 17:29.41 | mindbendr | i'm not trying to be hero :) |
| 17:30.22 | mindbendr | I've got a solution though with using DNS but we'll see whether do they accept |
| 17:30.49 | antiphase | "Will it work?" "Yes." "Go ahead then". Result: nothing fixed |
| 17:31.08 | mindbendr | I just asked this because how the hell does the NAT work from other part of the network even both of them goes through firewall |
| 17:31.43 | antiphase | Networking isn't just about IP addresses |
| 17:31.56 | DiscordianUK | A solution using DNS? |
| 17:32.10 | DiscordianUK | It sounds horrendous |
| 17:32.12 | antiphase | If you don't get TCP/IP/MAC, you'll struggle to work anything out |
| 17:32.33 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: when they try to access to the hosts, they have to go through external ips, what I can do is, on the local dns, define them as their local ips |
| 17:33.02 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: so if they use the hostname, that's fine, if they use the ip that'd be a problem. It's a fix until we get rid of the 192.9.200.x network |
| 17:33.33 | DiscordianUK | i suppose you could call that job security |
| 17:33.53 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: i'm not a network administrator |
| 17:33.57 | DiscordianUK | I feel really sorry for your successor |
| 17:34.00 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: so i don't have to call it anything |
| 17:34.42 | antiphase | Either learn how to debug your problem and fix it properly, or 'fess up and admit you need help |
| 17:34.49 | mindbendr | whoever set up the network with a public ip should get the blame |
| 17:34.49 | DiscordianUK | Just tell em to hire a contrator for a week then |
| 17:34.50 | mindbendr | not me |
| 17:34.51 | antiphase | OR you can carry on bodging; I dont care :P |
| 17:35.14 | mindbendr | lol I don't care either, I'm just trying to learn |
| 17:35.33 | mindbendr | the thing is we had a deal with a network company |
| 17:35.40 | mindbendr | they told what they want and explaind what we have |
| 17:35.45 | DiscordianUK | You need to bridge the two 192.9 segments |
| 17:35.47 | mindbendr | they said `we can't do this sorry find someone else` |
| 17:36.12 | DiscordianUK | laughs |
| 17:36.23 | mindbendr | so you can imagine how screwed up the current network |
| 17:36.40 | mindbendr | the it manager kept memorizing every single ip in the company |
| 17:36.46 | mindbendr | there's no dns etc |
| 17:37.04 | DiscordianUK | so it's all in /etc/hosts files? |
| 17:37.17 | mindbendr | they put mysql passwords in world readable clear txt files on the server and we all have got only 1 root password for the all servers |
| 17:37.24 | an0key | DiscordianUK: no everytime someones browswer/samba///etc makes a request it phones the IT manager |
| 17:37.32 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: no it's in his memory |
| 17:37.50 | mindbendr | an0key: well that's a fact |
| 17:38.02 | DiscordianUK | I am so impressed |
| 17:38.12 | an0key | bash.org anyone? :P |
| 17:38.18 | DiscordianUK | If he ever leaves be sure to tell us |
| 17:38.23 | mindbendr | lol |
| 17:38.32 | DiscordianUK | we wouldn't want to work with him |
| 17:38.44 | mindbendr | i don't think he could find any other job afterall |
| 17:39.01 | DiscordianUK | I'm amazed he still has one |
| 17:39.30 | mindbendr | well there are around 43 servers and there was no sys monitoring |
| 17:39.55 | mindbendr | so I've setup nagios, they company owner came and said `well there was a lad who tried to set up, no success, good luck to you` |
| 17:40.09 | DiscordianUK | Right |
| 17:40.10 | antiphase | Pay peanuts, get monkeys |
| 17:40.24 | DiscordianUK | nagios isn't exactly rocket science either |
| 17:40.39 | mindbendr | yeah that's what i'm saying |
| 17:40.47 | mindbendr | but imagine, you've got loads of sites and no monitoring |
| 17:40.50 | mindbendr | at all |
| 17:40.56 | AndyMillar | mindbendr: there is monitoring |
| 17:40.58 | AndyMillar | lusers |
| 17:41.13 | mindbendr | no wonder they want %99.9 uptime in the contracts |
| 17:41.32 | AndyMillar | 99.9% is fuck all |
| 17:41.55 | cpufreak | has 99.999% in his SLAs |
| 17:42.38 | an0key | is reading bash... oh I've missed it |
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| 19:11.08 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 19:43.41 | hali | five nines is mostly marketing, less than 5 mins a year downtime is mostly due to plain luck |
| 19:45.39 | hali | couple of russian botnets and anyone can get an hour downtime |
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| 20:41.29 | hali | Nafallo: oi, your uk mirrors are down :-) |
| 20:41.48 | Nafallo | hali: huh? gb.archive? |
| 20:41.58 | hali | my netbook can't connect |
| 20:42.04 | Nafallo | hali: wfm |
| 20:42.07 | hali | looks ok from my colo box actually |
| 20:42.13 | hali | must be my virgin connection that is pants |
| 20:42.14 | Nafallo | hali: yea... you fail :-) |
| 20:42.24 | hali | i still blame ubuntu |
| 20:42.43 | hali | my netbook has only been swithed off for 6 months and now demands updates |
| 20:43.12 | Nafallo | :-P |
| 20:43.30 | Nafallo | I tend to do that with mine as well :-) |
| 20:44.13 | hali | i've got the aspire one, can't say i like it |
| 20:44.53 | hali | my boss has got the lenovo s10e, looks pretty cool |
| 20:45.15 | hali | networking restart and it's going again |
| 20:45.36 | mindbendr | fedora updater fails when updating from 9 to 10 |
| 20:47.06 | hali | hm, and ubuntu doesn't think the battery is plugged in, wonder if that is ubuntu being pants or a hardware error |
| 20:47.27 | mindbendr | seems like linux is not for end-user yet |
| 20:47.42 | hali | no i should upgrade to XP |
| 20:47.47 | DiscordianUK | I always reinstall moving between releases |
| 20:47.49 | mindbendr | yeah XP is l33t |
| 20:48.01 | hali | actually, i don't think it's ubuntu |
| 20:48.14 | hali | even when in the bios it powers off when i pull the power cord |
| 20:48.21 | hali | and it's been plugged in for about 3 hours so should be charged |
| 20:48.21 | DiscordianUK | All my custom stuff is on /u1 which I leave untouched |
| 20:48.24 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: i'm sick of moving file around every 6 months |
| 20:48.40 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: including desktop settings? (/home/user) |
| 20:48.52 | hali | mindbendr: don't use fedora then |
| 20:49.03 | mindbendr | hali: i don't actually, I use vista |
| 20:49.04 | DiscordianUK | I do tar up /home/ch and preserve it yeah |
| 20:49.08 | hali | ubuntu lts or centos |
| 20:49.47 | DiscordianUK | I use fedora cos this is a laptop |
| 20:50.02 | mindbendr | how does help on a laptop? |
| 20:50.09 | DiscordianUK | and I like to track the {b}leading edge |
| 20:50.13 | mindbendr | lol |
| 20:50.25 | mindbendr | everybody uses ubuntu nowadays |
| 20:50.28 | mindbendr | what's wrong with people!! |
| 20:50.36 | hali | guess what |
| 20:50.38 | hali | people are lazy |
| 20:50.44 | DiscordianUK | No I still see lots of RHEL jobs |
| 20:50.55 | hali | pissing about with stuff on a pc/laptop/workstation is not fun anymore |
| 20:51.11 | DiscordianUK | And if I move from Fedora it'll be to opensolaris not ubuntu |
| 20:51.11 | hali | i have enough hassle maintaining the hundreds of servers i work with |
| 20:51.32 | hali | i should get a mac really |
| 20:52.13 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 21:03.14 | mindbendr | hali: that's why I use vista, then i don't have to bother with the multimedia stuff |
| 21:03.47 | mindbendr | even my hardware barely works with vista, driver wise, i wouldn't expect it to work with linux |
| 21:04.41 | DiscordianUK | I can all the multimedia stuff I need on Fedora |
| 21:04.50 | DiscordianUK | Including watching telly |
| 21:05.51 | mindbendr | i didn't say its impossible |
| 21:06.01 | mindbendr | it just takes time to setup |
| 21:06.25 | mindbendr | i spent a few days to figure out how to run creative x-fi |
| 21:06.44 | mindbendr | then fglrx for ati drivers and so on |
| 21:08.21 | mindbendr | it looks like fedora updates the core packages then expect you to do another yum update to install rest of the 231 packages, it should have allowed me to run firefox somehow down, who knows how did it brake it |
| 21:09.27 | mindbendr | break |
| 21:09.37 | DiscordianUK | Fortunaely |
| 21:09.53 | DiscordianUK | I have intel graphics |
| 21:10.54 | mindbendr | DiscordianUK: so you don't play games at all? except solitair |
| 21:11.19 | DiscordianUK | I have quake2/3 etc |
| 21:11.27 | DiscordianUK | But no I'm not a gamer |
| 21:11.55 | mindbendr | i wonder why do people still play quake? is that just because it's still running on linux? |
| 21:12.40 | DiscordianUK | I don't that often but I did buy the linux version |
| 21:12.56 | mindbendr | when did you buy it? |
| 21:13.16 | DiscordianUK | I dunno late 90s probably |
| 21:13.19 | mindbendr | I thought it's free after all |
| 21:13.25 | mindbendr | lol and you still have it on your box? |
| 21:13.45 | DiscordianUK | The quake3 demo is free |
| 21:14.44 | DiscordianUK | I also have openarena loaded from rpmfusion |
| 21:15.00 | mindbendr | is it a mod for quake? |
| 21:15.39 | DiscordianUK | It was an addon I think now |
| 21:15.50 | mindbendr | # firefox |
| 21:15.51 | mindbendr | Couldn't load XPCOM |
| 21:16.05 | mindbendr | any idea what XPCOM might be? i can't google |
| 21:16.08 | DiscordianUK | But it's free now in the rpmfusion repos |
| 21:16.28 | DiscordianUK | Dunno what XPCOM is |
| 21:17.01 | DiscordianUK | some mozilla COM stuff |
| 21:17.04 | mindbendr | i thought i could use `links` even though ffox is not working |
| 21:17.20 | mindbendr | but my arrow keys are not working after the upgrade! |
| 21:17.21 | DiscordianUK | Do you have xulrunner installed? |
| 21:17.46 | mindbendr | it's installed but fc9, lets see what happens if i update it |
| 21:19.56 | hali | woo, my back yard is on tv |
| 21:20.10 | hali | whitechapel on itv1 |
| 21:20.20 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh I'm watching that too |
| 21:20.39 | hali | i didn't think you had a telly? :) |
| 21:20.57 | DiscordianUK | USB Freeview works wonders |
| 21:21.02 | hali | handy |
| 21:21.21 | DiscordianUK | Laptop screen is bigger than my old telly too |
| 21:36.59 | hali | artillary passasge! |
| 21:37.13 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 21:37.23 | DiscordianUK | do you ever see any ghosts? |
| 21:37.30 | hali | nope :) |
| 21:38.01 | hali | i work next to one of the sites, live next to another one and our dc is on the street of a 3rd killing |
| 21:38.21 | DiscordianUK | All coincidental I assume |
| 21:38.39 | hali | yes, i have no intention of becoming a copy cat :-) |
| 21:38.49 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 21:38.58 | wethrin | hali: Your users not that bad yet? |
| 21:39.07 | hali | wethrin: not that bad no |
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| 21:46.24 | hali | woho, next murder is outside interxion :-) |
| 21:46.27 | hali | hanbury street |
| 21:46.32 | hali | is well excited |
| 21:46.54 | hali | plus they can have a drink in big chill bar |
| 21:52.36 | hali | thats actually outside rough trade |
| 21:54.22 | DiscordianUK | Rough trade convent garden? |
| 21:56.08 | hali | no in the old truman brewery |
| 21:56.50 | DiscordianUK | Ahhh I'd forgotten there was a new one |
| 21:57.13 | DiscordianUK | I used to go to the original one in Notting Hill back in the late 70s |
| 21:57.32 | DiscordianUK | Then there was the shop in the garden years latert |
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| 21:59.32 | DiscordianUK | Twas a good show, hope part 2 is as good |
| 22:13.11 | hali | yes |
| 22:42.53 | ChoHag | "Why would you have to uninstall network manager in order to use a static IP? I do not think you have really explored this application." |
| 22:43.13 | ChoHag | ifconfig not good enough eh? Not enough features? |
| 22:43.21 | DiscordianUK | Indeed you don't need to do that |
| 22:43.35 | DiscordianUK | Just edit ifcfg-eth0 |
| 22:43.49 | DiscordianUK | and set it to not be managed by NM |
| 22:44.00 | DiscordianUK | and chkconfig network on |
| 22:44.08 | ChoHag | Or just have the installer set it to dhcp without even asking you and leave it at that. |
| 22:44.25 | DiscordianUK | whichever |
| 22:56.01 | ChoHag | Why do people comment on web pages that they find offensive/rude/childish/whatever? |
| 22:56.05 | hali | ifconfig is deprecated |
| 22:56.09 | hali | ip is all you need |
| 22:56.13 | ChoHag | Is clicking on 'back' painful or something? |
| 23:10.48 | kinko | boris has dropped the congestion for today |
| 23:11.20 | DiscordianUK | Indeed |
| 23:11.43 | DiscordianUK | And all 250 motorists who made it into the City will be grateful I'm sure |
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| 23:15.34 | Mohan | DiscordianUK: do you have a setup guide for usb freeview DVB ? |
| 23:15.53 | DiscordianUK | Let me find what I used |
| 23:15.58 | DiscordianUK | one moment |
| 23:16.04 | Mohan | thanks. |
| 23:16.31 | Mohan | but at the momment i use zatoo, you can watch freeview tv channels without a reciever |
| 23:16.47 | Mohan | provided you a fast internet connection. |
| 23:16.57 | Mohan | errr.. you have a fast internet connection |
| 23:17.11 | DiscordianUK | http://www.linux2000.com/dvb.html |
| 23:17.35 | DiscordianUK | I have a hauppauge dvb-t usb dongle thing |
| 23:19.10 | Mohan | i have a usb dongle as well but it reads sinovideo - certified for win vista/ ROHS Compliant |
| 23:19.56 | DiscordianUK | With the hauppauge you have to extract the firmware from the windows DVD |
| 23:20.14 | DiscordianUK | and put the fimrware file in /lib/firmware |
| 23:20.27 | DiscordianUK | Then linux loads it during system boot |
| 23:22.43 | Mohan | ok, that sounds its not going to make my life any easier. but let me try anyways. |
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