IRC log for #gllug on 20081121

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07:54.23morsingtrskz!
08:28.34trskzyeah, that's right, as amazing as it sounds, back in the land of the ( add in your favourite phrase ) ;)
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08:38.48morsingtrskz!
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09:22.34morsingwiredfutureman!
09:30.31wiredfuturemanlo morsing
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09:45.49kjsdamn, city link just woke me up
09:46.06Discordianheh
09:46.26Discordiancould done with finding a telecommute job
09:46.32Discordians/done/do/
09:48.32kjsworking at home sucks
09:49.14DiscordianYeah but it pays bills
09:51.38kjsyeah i guess so, i have just got a new office \o/
09:56.00Discordianfinds a part time role advertised and forwards my CV
09:57.42kjswhat job?
09:58.03DiscordianIt's a sysadmin one
10:02.23morsingBeer
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10:04.59morsinginDj_InstcT!
10:27.35kjsah cool, you only after a part time role Discordian ?
10:28.18DiscordianNah full time would be cool but I'm having trouble finding any telecommuting stuff
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11:26.38morsingBeer
11:27.40morsingwiredfutureman: What's for lunch?
11:58.43bilarhhates bad c programmers
12:01.50antiphasevoid main()
12:07.29wethrinassumes that antiphase isn't a fan of K&R C, then
12:13.56antiphaseI'd go to church if K&R were preaching
12:14.09antiphaseIt's not 1969 any more though
12:14.49antiphaseMAkes you wonder if Jimi Hendrix ever bashed out a quick Hello World on a PDP-8 before his untimely demise
12:36.11bilarhsomeone take the crackpipe away from antiphase
12:37.00morsingBeer
12:38.48bilarhmorsing: i believe this is a car to your taste, sir: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19009 ;)
12:39.52morsingYuck
12:40.00bilarhfail :P
12:40.15morsingWhy do people do it...
12:40.31bilarhghey wannabe's?
12:40.44morsingProbably
12:41.02morsingbilarh: Are you "spoonoff"?
12:42.52morsingnibbles on bilarh
12:42.59bilarhwhat does that even mean?
12:43.13morsingIt's like biting but smaller
12:43.23bilarhi know what nibbling is
12:43.29morsing?
12:43.31bilarhbut what's "spoonoff"
12:43.49morsingNo idea - why don't you ask him? (I assume it's not you then)
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12:49.40morsingCan I go home?
13:18.18morsing\o/
13:23.26rhowesets some weekend entertainment downloading
13:23.37morsingrhowe: Why are you ignoring me?
13:23.43rhoweDay of the triffids and the 1938 radio play for War of the Worlds
13:23.51rhowemorsing: 'cause you haven't emailed me things to do in CPH :)
13:26.30morsingbilarh: Did you find out?
14:12.57morsing"Most Systems Administrators tend to "fall in love" with the first UNIX version they get to know. They assume all other UNIX or Linux versions are odd, quirky, plain wrong, or bad. But this is not really the case and once you are on to your third or fourth UNIX version you see the common ground between versions is large, each version has its own strengths. and that the prime area of differences is the system admin tools."
14:17.11antiphaseAIX is still gay
14:17.52morsingantiphase: And you're still pretty dumb
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14:34.24morsingboudiccas!
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15:07.45mindbendrmorsing!
15:10.41morsingmindbendr!
15:45.54kjsfriday again already!
15:46.11morsingBeer
15:46.14DiscordianThey generally follow Thursdayd
15:46.17Discordian-d
15:46.26mindbendrnot a nice day
15:47.08kjsweeks just fly by at the moment
15:48.03DiscordianIn fact they even did in 1752
15:49.11kjsgets another cup of tea
15:52.46kjshum fat drives are 4gb max file size?
15:53.17kjsneed to dd my fedora laptop some where
15:53.28Discordian32 bit fat yeah
15:53.29antiphaseUse a proper file system
15:53.30wethrinYes. That's the max. value of an unsigned 32-bit int
15:53.59wethrinfat-32 is certainly handy. For, say, USB sticks that travel between OSes
15:54.30antiphasePff, real men use FAT-12 in that scenario
15:54.42wethrinthrows a stack of floppies at antiphase
15:54.56antiphaseNTFS works OK these days I thought, FSVO OK
15:55.32wethrinNot on, say, OS X
15:55.39wethrinAnd I wouldn't trust Linux's NTFS writing
15:56.08DiscordianLinux ntfs-3g is solid
15:56.32wethrinUnfortunately, FAT's the only real option for interoperability between OSes
15:58.18mindbendrthumbs up for ntfs-3g
15:59.28wethrinAny rate, doesn't work under OS X
15:59.34wethrin(that I know of)
16:00.24DiscordianThat's something of a failing in a world where XP and Vista run on Intel macs then donca think?
16:00.54wethrinYep
16:01.42Discordianhttp://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifehack/how-to-read-and-write-ntfs-windows-partition-on-mac-os-x.html
16:01.47Discordianand it can be done
16:01.52Discordianas ^^
16:01.54wethrinBut I suspect most people would be running Windows under Parallels or Fusion, rather than bootcamp
16:02.04DiscordianThere's also Paragon-NTFS for Os X
16:02.59wethrinAnd by far simpler for me is just to use FAT-32 on my USB sticks
16:03.20Discordiansure
16:04.37antiphaseOr not use OSX, because it's poo
16:05.37wethrinPff
16:05.56wethrinI like my wireless, and my video to work, thankyou
16:06.01wethrinPreferably even at the same time
16:07.25DiscordianMy wireless , video, USB Freeview all work quite happily under Linux
16:32.14mindbendrhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/21/more_hp_packaging/
16:35.24wethrinThat's speshul
16:35.54kjsI have had worse than that from hell, HUGE box came in side there where two sticks of ram in a small box taped to the bottom.
16:36.05kjsdell*
16:36.19kjsdell, hell? whats the difference :)
16:36.22jpdskjs: Same thing no?
16:36.26wethrinNot much :)
16:50.35kjsyou guys have any experiance with RT ?
16:50.53DiscordianRT? the ticketing thing?
16:50.55antiphaseI've run it before
16:52.08jpdskjs: I use it almost daily.
16:58.31kjsyeah the ticketing thing
16:58.48kjsjpds: works well?
16:59.02jpdskjs: Sure.
16:59.13rhowekjs: Works alright
16:59.59kjssweet
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17:03.32kjshopfully it will work ok my iphone as well.
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17:59.19morsingkraptv!
18:00.12kraptvI love it when you JUICE
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18:12.55mindbendrhave a good weekend
18:13.40morsingcatalyst!
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18:20.05morsingboudiccas!
18:20.13morsingboudiccas: Where's Sally?
18:22.11boudiccasno idea
18:23.16morsing:(  They've found out about me and Sally :(
18:24.49boudiccasthat doesn't sound good
18:25.42morsingNo - she hasn't seen it yet but she won't be happy
18:26.32morsingboudiccas: What's for tea?
18:26.41boudiccashad it
18:26.48boudiccasliver and spuds
18:27.01boudiccasymmuy
18:27.05boudiccas*yummy
18:28.51kraptvMeaty dances.
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19:04.44morsingblight!
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19:40.43morsinghttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIfvFpha2s
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20:19.20morsingboudiccas!
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21:41.26morsingblight!
21:47.18kraptvSCudder.
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22:19.23morsingrhowe!
22:24.31kraptvmorsing, hu
22:24.33kraptvhi
22:24.55morsingG'night all
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23:19.46*** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
23:35.13z00daxDiscordianUK: aparently we ran out of ipv4 a few years back
23:35.26DiscordianUKish
23:35.40DiscordianUKit's all lies
23:35.59DiscordianUKIBM never needed that /8
23:36.35z00daxearly bird, worm .. all that
23:36.55DiscordianUKBut yes ipv6 makes sense
23:36.55wethrinIPv4 addresses have run out for *ages*. And they keep finding more
23:37.11DiscordianUKAye
23:37.19DiscordianUKhence CIDR
23:37.35z00daxall i need is an isp who can give me native ipv6 and isnt aaisp
23:37.53z00daxthen i can drop this sixxs.net fluffery
23:37.54wethrinBlackcat doesn't exist any more
23:37.59wethrinWhat's wrong with aaisp?
23:38.27DiscordianUKover priced
23:38.56z00daxi used them for a bit, yea - over priced, and their network isnt all that. the 2mbps link i had in 2004 from them neer gave me more than 120 - 150k/s
23:39.33DiscordianUKand i was never impressed with the rev adrians ability to stay connected to #uknot
23:41.28wethrinThey didn't seem too bad price-wise; I'm giving them £19/month
23:41.59wethrinAnd I have a bunch of real IP addresses. And, from what I hear, competent support if something goes tits-up
23:43.16DiscordianUKalas i have no useful skills and i'll fall off t'net anyway soon
23:43.31z00daxthings seem to have changed. they chargd 45 for a 2mbps link, and only had about 10gb included in there
23:43.37z00daxwhich is about 4 days transfer for me
23:43.59wethrinAh, if you're going to transfer during office hours, fair enough
23:44.14wethrinI get 1GB/mo during office time, which is more than enough for me
23:44.15DiscordianUKi maxxed 151gb one month
23:44.46DiscordianUKi was on 128kb for the nezt

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