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| 03:00.41 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 03:00.54 | Leeds | morsing: go to bed! |
| 03:01.14 | morsing | zzz |
| 07:21.54 | ChoHag | I have two hosts which Nagios monitors, but only one will ever be reachable (from the monitor server) at a time. |
| 07:22.21 | ChoHag | Can Nagios support something that natively without ugly red bars on the screen? |
| 07:23.50 | morsing | Use the service address |
| 07:24.17 | ChoHag | That doesn't give me information about the individual machine though. |
| 07:24.44 | morsing | There's no way you can get information about a machine that's not reachable |
| 07:24.57 | ChoHag | The fact that it's not reachable *is* information. |
| 07:25.15 | morsing | Errmm... Yes, but you just stated you didn't want to see that |
| 07:25.22 | morsing | 08:22 < ChoHag> Can Nagios support something that natively without ugly red bars on the screen? |
| 07:25.36 | ChoHag | I don't want it on the screen, no. |
| 07:26.31 | ChoHag | I'm just wondering if there's a 'better' way than acknowledging the problem so it doesn't count as unhandled. |
| 07:26.47 | ChoHag | I'd still like the email from nagios saying 'box 1 is down. box 2 is up'. |
| 07:26.56 | morsing | Well, edit the script it runs to output what you want |
| 07:27.02 | morsing | Ok |
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| 07:53.32 | morsing | konadr|a1k! |
| 08:04.04 | morsing | :( |
| 08:04.11 | morsing | jpds: Why did he leave? |
| 08:06.44 | morsing | rhowe_: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 08:07.26 | bilarh_ | morning folks |
| 08:07.31 | morsing | Beer |
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| 08:13.31 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 08:15.20 | ChoHag | Apparently people here are paid to sit up all night watching processes. |
| 08:15.56 | morsing | They are at most companies... |
| 08:16.06 | morsing | Quite a lot as well. Easily £50k |
| 08:16.55 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:17.39 | ChoHag | Interesting. |
| 08:17.43 | ChoHag | How much does grep cost? |
| 08:18.30 | morsing | I take it you've never worked at a company where your systems aree actually important... Like most people on this channel |
| 08:23.54 | bilarh_ | morsing: i know you're just trying to pick a fight, but jeez... you haven't even seen any of our CV's |
| 08:24.05 | bilarh_ | and if you had, you probably wouldn't be saying what you just said :) |
| 08:24.15 | bilarh_ | rises to it, unwisely |
| 08:25.04 | bilarh_ | morsing: in fact, i'd say that the companies that got it right are those who *don't* need admins constantly monitoring stuff |
| 08:25.21 | morsing | bilarh_: You obviously don't know me at all |
| 08:25.47 | morsing | bilarh_: boudiccas is the one always trying to pick a fight, please don't confuse us |
| 08:25.48 | bilarh_ | true, i only know you as a seven letter string in my irc window |
| 08:25.50 | Mohan_ | looks like a war for superiority |
| 08:26.16 | morsing | bilarh_: And admins != operators |
| 08:26.34 | Mohan_ | hides in the corner |
| 08:26.56 | bilarh_ | mohan_: don't worry, we usually escape unscathed :) |
| 08:27.12 | bilarh_ | except our ego's get a bit bruised occassionally. |
| 08:27.31 | bilarh_ | morsing: why would you even want to pay operators? |
| 08:27.54 | bilarh_ | morsing: if you could have a brilliant monitoring system that actually alerted you if something went wrong? |
| 08:28.05 | morsing | bilarh_: And my statement from above has been re-inforced |
| 08:28.05 | morsing | 09:18 < morsing> I take it you've never worked at a company where your systems aree actually important... Like most people on this channel |
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| 08:28.25 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:28.33 | bilarh_ | morsing: ok, you win :) |
| 08:28.44 | morsing | I always do |
| 08:29.50 | bilarh_ | so just to be clear, are you saying most people in this channel work for companies where the systems are important, or that most people (in this channel) work for companies where the systems aren't? |
| 08:29.59 | morsing | Aren't |
| 08:31.05 | bilarh_ | ok, well thanks for clearing that up :P |
| 08:32.53 | hali | sup' |
| 08:33.40 | bilarh_ | hali! |
| 08:33.50 | hali | bilarh_: don't you start as well! |
| 08:33.55 | bilarh_ | hali: :D |
| 08:34.03 | bilarh_ | i thought i'd pre-empt it |
| 08:43.20 | Mohan_ | gives a big baccon gum to morsing saying YOU ARE THE WINNER! |
| 08:43.40 | bilarh_ | bacon gum |
| 08:43.45 | bilarh_ | that doesn't sound particularly nice |
| 08:43.50 | bilarh_ | is happy he didn't win |
| 08:44.12 | bilarh_ | damn, we've raised 165 quid already: http://www.justgiving.com/teampinkcar |
| 08:44.33 | bilarh_ | my beer fund is looking a bit better :) |
| 08:46.17 | morsing | Mohan_: Thanks |
| 08:47.33 | Mohan_ | you are welcome |
| 08:47.34 | bilarh_ | i need to buy a welder |
| 08:47.40 | bilarh_ | anyone got one going spare? |
| 08:47.58 | antiphase | Mine's at my parent's house |
| 08:48.21 | bilarh_ | i might just buy one actually |
| 08:48.30 | bilarh_ | they're only about 250-300 for a hobby one, aren't they? |
| 08:48.46 | bilarh_ | i need to build a downpipe for the saab and sort a cat out on the subaru |
| 08:49.01 | antiphase | Buying a shit welder is a waste of time |
| 08:49.09 | bilarh_ | yeah but the shit ones are like 100 |
| 08:49.13 | Mohan_ | gives a 50p chewing gum to bilarh saying YOU ARE THE RUNNER! |
| 08:49.19 | bilarh_ | surely 300 must get a decent mig one |
| 08:49.25 | bilarh_ | or? |
| 08:49.41 | bilarh_ | the only welding experience i have is like one day in school about 15 years back |
| 08:49.43 | antiphase | Then there's the gas |
| 08:49.44 | bilarh_ | (damn i'm old) |
| 08:49.48 | antiphase | The gasless ones are tripe |
| 08:49.55 | bilarh_ | oh yeah i'm definitely getting a gas one |
| 08:50.00 | bilarh_ | can't be arsed with the slag |
| 09:11.54 | Mohan_ | Wonders if anyone from this room is coming to linux expo on saturday |
| 09:19.32 | Leeds | not from my room |
| 09:20.11 | morsing | Mohan_: IBM expo is on this week |
| 09:20.36 | kjs | anyone ever put any after market ram in a dell server? |
| 09:20.42 | kjs | does it void the dell warranty? |
| 09:20.46 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:26.20 | bilarh_ | kjs: you could always whip it out before you call dell out, no? |
| 09:28.06 | kjs | bilarh_: true, |
| 09:37.06 | kjs | argh, is there a way of finding out the ram voltage and cache latency etc ? |
| 09:37.22 | morsing | kjs: Put your tongue on it |
| 09:37.29 | antiphase | dmidecode may help, otherwise ask your BIOS |
| 09:50.47 | Leeds | need sleep! |
| 09:54.05 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:54.23 | Leeds | beer might help the sleep, yes |
| 09:54.25 | z00dax | Mohan_: hey, I'll be there! |
| 09:55.55 | z00dax | kjs: I used lots of dell kit a few years back, in most cases - telling your account rep that you were cosidering RAM from $vendor, would be all that is required |
| 09:56.26 | z00dax | we almost never got any addon ( ram / hdd / networking kit ) from dell once the machine was in, and they were ok with that. |
| 09:56.36 | morsing | z00dax: You better check it |
| 09:56.49 | z00dax | does a quick check |
| 09:56.57 | kjs | z00dax: cheers |
| 09:57.36 | morsing | kjs: Are you naked? |
| 09:58.29 | kjs | morsing: no. |
| 09:58.43 | z00dax | now be a good time to head off, over there ---> |
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| 09:58.49 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:58.55 | Blapto | Quick |
| 09:58.59 | z00dax | check it |
| 09:59.01 | Blapto | Quick Draw McMorsing |
| 10:01.00 | morsing | I'm so tired |
| 10:09.45 | kjs | z00dax: are you running ror on centos5 ? |
| 10:09.56 | ChoHag | Does anyone else here use Nagios? |
| 10:10.08 | ChoHag | Is it completely ignoring me normal behaviour? |
| 10:10.30 | antiphase | Opsview, because Nagios is too horrid and gnarly on its own |
| 10:13.00 | kjs | is opsview foss? |
| 10:13.25 | ChoHag | Apparently. |
| 10:13.35 | cpufreak | www.opsview.org |
| 10:14.13 | kjs | yeah watching a screencast atm |
| 10:16.34 | kjs | that mapview looks kool. |
| 10:34.05 | morsing | ChoHag: I do |
| 10:38.09 | bilarh_ | antiphase: do you guys use nagios and ganglia by any chance? |
| 10:38.45 | Blapto | bilarh_: we do here |
| 10:39.14 | bilarh_ | blapto: can you broadly describe your nagios / ganglia integration by any chance? |
| 10:39.43 | Blapto | non existent. |
| 10:39.44 | bilarh_ | for example, if you check for disk space, who does the collecting etc? |
| 10:39.48 | bilarh_ | exactly, good man |
| 10:39.54 | antiphase | Opsview, and Cacti |
| 10:39.57 | Blapto | We have other checks for disk space. |
| 10:40.06 | bilarh_ | ah, to have opsview *sniff* |
| 10:40.13 | Blapto | And a 24/7 systems operations team that monitors nagios |
| 10:40.33 | Blapto | Everything is done through nagios. |
| 10:40.44 | bilarh_ | we have this abortion of a system where clients collect stats via a crontab and send them into a ganglia database |
| 10:40.56 | bilarh_ | nagios then comes and checks the ganglia database for things like free disk space |
| 10:40.57 | Blapto | Hurgk |
| 10:41.00 | bilarh_ | it sounds like lunacy to me |
| 10:41.06 | Blapto | Why not just use Nagios all the way through? |
| 10:41.08 | bilarh_ | i'm trying *very* hard to get it changed |
| 10:41.10 | bilarh_ | exactly |
| 10:41.15 | Blapto | We do send some stats to ganglia, but only things that make sense. |
| 10:41.28 | bilarh_ | yes, that's exactly what i want to do as well |
| 10:41.37 | Blapto | We have a system config tree that gets compiled from template toolkit and published to servers using spine. |
| 10:41.49 | Blapto | So we monitor the version in Ganglia. |
| 10:42.01 | Blapto | http://code.google.com/p/spine-mgmt/ |
| 10:43.00 | bilarh_ | omg, you've got developers from iporn.com contributing to spine :D |
| 10:43.04 | bilarh_ | i want to work for them |
| 10:43.20 | Blapto | I think you need new glasses. |
| 10:43.27 | Blapto | Which coincides with the porn obsession. |
| 10:43.34 | bilarh_ | hehe :D |
| 10:43.35 | Blapto | It's a vicious cycle. |
| 10:43.55 | bilarh_ | it's only because i only get low quality, grainy porn off the internet |
| 10:44.04 | bilarh_ | it creates a huge strain |
| 10:44.07 | bilarh_ | on my eyes |
| 10:44.12 | Blapto | Ah, right |
| 10:45.00 | bilarh_ | so you've got nagios sending stats to ganglia? |
| 10:45.32 | antiphase | wonders who was toking on the crack pipe that day |
| 10:45.51 | bilarh_ | antiphase: what day in particular? |
| 10:47.08 | antiphase | The day on which it was thought to be a good idea to "architect" a monitoring solution in such a fashion |
| 10:47.23 | bilarh_ | it's "previous work" |
| 10:47.34 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:47.49 | bilarh_ | i've rubbished it in several teleconferences now, so i've managed to get myself involved in the project |
| 10:47.56 | bilarh_ | working hard to change it now |
| 10:48.10 | bilarh_ | the problem is that the original developer is still in the project |
| 10:48.23 | Blapto | Ah, yes, that's always a pain |
| 10:48.24 | Blapto | shoot him. |
| 10:48.28 | bilarh_ | i was thinking that |
| 10:48.39 | bilarh_ | i've started "modifying" his code |
| 10:48.42 | bilarh_ | with rm |
| 10:48.47 | bilarh_ | and dd in vi |
| 10:49.34 | bilarh_ | but I'm right in thinking that really, ganglia and nagios should be as separate as possible, right? |
| 10:49.44 | bilarh_ | and that nagios should not rely on ganglia to collect the information for it |
| 10:49.53 | bilarh_ | it just sounds wrong and totally opposite the nagios design |
| 10:50.30 | bilarh_ | we also have a bunch of "super tests" that check some metric on a whole bunch of hosts and then report it as one status in nagios |
| 10:50.51 | bilarh_ | uh, i don't want to go into too much detail, i might start crying |
| 10:51.50 | hali | "it's to reduce network traffic on our 10gE LAN" :) |
| 10:52.02 | bilarh_ | hali: actually, that's exactly what he said |
| 10:52.18 | hali | an nrpe session is usually about 900 bytes |
| 10:52.37 | bilarh_ | of course, in principle he is right, but the added complexity he's created is totally not worth it |
| 10:52.49 | bilarh_ | exactly, that's less than an ethernet frame fgs |
| 10:54.03 | bilarh_ | anyway, balls to this, i'm going to lunch |
| 10:54.15 | hali | enjoy your fish and chips |
| 10:54.22 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:57.31 | kjs | i just setup that opsview... seemed alot easier than setting up nagios iirc |
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| 12:13.05 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:13.25 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
| 12:27.52 | z00dax | kjs: sort of, yes |
| 12:33.40 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 12:44.36 | morsing | Provito! |
| 12:48.41 | dick_turpin | Whats the price of fuel down there? Sainsburys (Walsall, West Midlands) 98.9p |
| 12:51.23 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: bastard |
| 12:51.29 | bilarh_ | why do you lot up north get cheaper fuel? |
| 12:51.35 | bilarh_ | we already pay for all your stuff anyway |
| 12:51.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Just been told Morrisons 97p |
| 12:51.46 | bilarh_ | !!! |
| 12:52.23 | dick_turpin | is hurriedly hiring a fuel tanker |
| 12:52.32 | hali | hm, im in bizzaro-world today |
| 12:52.45 | hali | client meeting, "yes we are deploying oracle on itanium on hp-ux" |
| 12:53.16 | hali | when was the last time anyone actually paid money for itanium? :S |
| 12:53.32 | bilarh_ | maybe it's something they already had? |
| 12:53.37 | hali | yes, 800 of them |
| 12:53.40 | bilarh_ | :D |
| 12:53.43 | hali | i questioned it and got snipped off |
| 12:54.10 | hali | legacy crap that's just dragging along |
| 12:54.22 | hali | however itanium does look fairly competetive from a few random benchmarks i've seen |
| 12:54.27 | hali | the boxes themselves aren't that expensive |
| 12:54.49 | hali | £5k will buy a fairly decent entry level box (including hp-ux licensing) |
| 12:55.00 | hali | blades start at £3k |
| 12:58.39 | bilarh_ | not bad |
| 12:58.51 | bilarh_ | so why are you questoning your client then? |
| 13:01.37 | hali | i'm not overly keen on supporting hp-ux going forward |
| 13:01.45 | hali | it adds to my "have to support" list |
| 13:01.48 | hali | and to my CV :P |
| 13:02.04 | hali | but after some research im not as reluctant any more |
| 13:02.07 | hali | it looks fairly ok |
| 13:03.52 | bilarh_ | we've got a bunch of them here |
| 13:04.00 | bilarh_ | but to be fair i try to log on as little as possible to them |
| 13:04.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:09.00 | ChoHag | So, yes, after a uh extended lunch, is there anything that needs to be done to Nagios to get it to acknowledge certain external commands? |
| 13:09.05 | ChoHag | In this case, CHANGE_SVC_EVENT_HANDLER. |
| 13:09.33 | morsing | Can you be more specific? |
| 13:09.43 | morsing | "acknowledge"? |
| 13:09.48 | morsing | "external"? |
| 13:11.10 | ChoHag | Sorry, yes, acknowledge isn't too clear |
| 13:11.18 | ChoHag | Have it respond in some way. |
| 13:11.22 | ChoHag | If I run echo "[`date +%s`] CHANGE_SVC_EVENT_HANDLER;router-colo-hsrp1 |
| 13:11.22 | bilarh_ | do you need to do anything but set "dont blame nagios" and allowing passive checks? |
| 13:11.23 | ChoHag | ;ping;handler_colo_hsrp_swap" > /var/spool/nagios/nagios.cmd |
| 13:11.36 | ChoHag | (one line) the log file is updated accordingly but nothing else happens. |
| 13:11.54 | ChoHag | Specifically, the configuration page doesn't change. |
| 13:12.41 | bilarh_ | ah, and i'm guessing your check doesn't run either? |
| 13:13.02 | ChoHag | Active checks are disabled currently. |
| 13:13.41 | ChoHag | That shouldn't affect acting on commands though? |
| 13:14.06 | bilarh_ | hasn't actually got a clue |
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| 13:41.54 | ChoHag | Event handlers, now that I've simply bypassed setting it dynamically, seem to run on every state change except pending -> OK |
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| 14:27.22 | morsing | bilarh_: What's for tea? |
| 14:28.00 | bilarh_ | morsing: whatever you cook me, biatch |
| 14:32.49 | kjs | these damn users are killing me, windows admins using a ldap front end... had set the account to expire 01/01/1970... and they wonder why the account wont login... |
| 14:41.52 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: why would you want to change the event handler anyway? So that you don't have to reload nagios on config changes? |
| 14:44.04 | ChoHag | It was a workaround for a workaround to the nth degree. |
| 14:44.31 | ChoHag | Each host has the same 'ping' service associated with it. For a pair of hosts only I wanted an event handler. |
| 14:44.40 | ChoHag | So I thought I'd set it whon nagios starts |
| 14:45.02 | ChoHag | But the whole event handler approach doesn't seem to be working. |
| 14:53.26 | ChoHag | Never mind. It's home time. |
| 14:54.08 | morsing | ChoHag: What's for tea? |
| 14:55.34 | ChoHag | Sandwiches I think. |
| 14:55.40 | ChoHag | I don't know, I'll have to see. |
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| 18:08.12 | morsing | nixofortune! |
| 18:08.38 | nixofortune_ | morsing: ! |
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| 18:44.03 | kjs | evening |
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| 18:53.20 | kjs | its rather cold out tonight |
| 18:55.16 | nixofortune | kjs: you right |
| 18:59.01 | kjs | of course |
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| 19:07.57 | j0nr | evening |
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| 19:49.54 | DiscordianUK | evening |
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| 20:53.38 | kjs | evening DiscordianUK |
| 20:53.53 | DiscordianUK | evening |
| 20:54.31 | kjs | what is this linux expo ? |
| 20:54.56 | DiscordianUK | big linux exhibition |
| 20:55.06 | kjs | where? |
| 20:55.22 | DiscordianUK | people trying to promote,sell linux |
| 20:55.41 | DiscordianUK | olympia, kensington, london |
| 20:56.33 | kjs | geel fest then |
| 20:56.48 | DiscordianUK | geek yes |
| 20:56.58 | kjs | thats the one lol |
| 21:00.36 | kjs | you attending DiscordianUK |
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| 21:07.35 | kjs | wonders whos going to Linux Expo |
| 21:11.31 | nixofortune | i'm going |
| 21:12.02 | nixofortune | the booking ticket arrived on friday. |
| 21:36.05 | kjs | nixofortune: how much is it? |
| 21:37.30 | nixofortune | i understand £12 without a ticket and free with a ticket. |
| 21:39.13 | DrWethrin | It's not actually that much of a geek fest |
| 21:39.21 | DrWethrin | It's very commerical |
| 21:39.48 | nixofortune | i hope not |
| 21:40.00 | DrWethrin | It is very commercial |
| 21:40.05 | nixofortune | ( |
| 21:41.09 | kjs | be more pro then |
| 21:41.40 | kjs | last linux thing i attended was a bunch of geeks showing off there mythtv boxes. |
| 21:41.48 | kjs | their* |
| 21:42.35 | kjs | do they have LPI at this event? if so that might swing me into going if i can do the exam for cheap lol. |
| 21:42.49 | nixofortune | that what i heard from some guys. about commersial stuff |
| 21:44.21 | DrWethrin | They certainly used to have LPI there |
| 21:44.22 | nixofortune | I'm doing Linux A+. tutor resined and the whole thing stuck |
| 21:44.37 | kjs | i bought the book for the A+ |
| 21:44.44 | kjs | looks quite easy ? |
| 21:45.12 | kjs | i did the mock exam for it, and smashed it was considering just booking the exam. |
| 21:45.28 | DrWethrin | A lot of these Linux exams aren't worth the money they want for them |
| 21:46.39 | nixofortune | DrWethrin: Linux+ is very outdated. |
| 21:49.48 | kjs | yeah they are all bullshit, but can help you get clients. |
| 21:51.21 | nixofortune | + It reminds me stuff for dummies. everything too basic and concise. |
| 21:52.14 | nixofortune | I received Fedora 4 CD pack + books. |
| 21:53.28 | nixofortune | Fedora 4 so old wouldn't recognised my SATA |
| 21:55.11 | kjs | fedora 4 hahha |
| 21:55.35 | kjs | well, that LPI is based on redhat 7.3 i think |
| 21:56.14 | nixofortune | i think it somewhere close. |
| 21:57.17 | nixofortune | Linux + is not based on particular distro. they just sent me fedora 4. |
| 21:58.49 | nixofortune | Fedora 5 was much better. at least it recognised HDD no GUI though out of the box, but I managed to fix it. |
| 22:02.19 | kjs | just download the latest? |
| 22:03.22 | nixofortune | i prefer debian based distros |
| 22:04.06 | nixofortune | gentoo will do or slack |
| 22:05.22 | kjs | i use them all. |
| 22:05.43 | kjs | not gentoo now tho, no time for that |
| 22:05.50 | nixofortune | )) |
| 22:06.40 | nixofortune | i use gentoo now only on rescuecd |
| 22:07.04 | kjs | emerging kde to make it "faster" |
| 22:07.27 | nixofortune | 2 days at least on my laptop. |
| 22:07.59 | kjs | what laptop |
| 22:08.07 | nixofortune | i mean compiling |
| 22:08.26 | nixofortune | toshiba a100 psaa3e |
| 22:08.46 | nixofortune | 1gig ram 1.4 celeron |
| 22:08.49 | kjs | i have a vostro 1700 here, atm it has fedora 8 on it. |
| 22:09.08 | kjs | but it will run hackintosh |
| 22:09.26 | nixofortune | i have another hp 530 with fedora 8 on it |
| 22:09.30 | kjs | i was thinking about trying it, but heard it breaks apples eula |
| 22:09.50 | kjs | (i was going to buy mac os for it) |
| 22:10.00 | nixofortune | don't no about |
| 22:10.08 | kjs | as its a work laptop |
| 22:10.32 | nixofortune | some guys run hackintosh very successfully |
| 22:10.45 | kjs | yeah i read that |
| 22:11.11 | DrWethrin | Bet it's not actually that much cheaper than just getting a Mac |
| 22:11.50 | kjs | i have a macbook, was 700 ish |
| 22:11.52 | nixofortune | DrWethrin: why? |
| 22:12.10 | nixofortune | my iBook died twice |
| 22:12.37 | kjs | that macbook seems very well built, hasnt let me down yet |
| 22:13.34 | nixofortune | i payed more than £1000 than video cabled kicked the bucket and mother eventually. |
| 22:13.39 | DrWethrin | My Powerbook's 6.5 years old. Still works |
| 22:14.11 | nixofortune | eMac lives more than 6 y now. |
| 22:14.13 | kjs | nixofortune: did you retutn it? |
| 22:14.19 | nixofortune | no |
| 22:15.26 | nixofortune | i took it to mac doctors. they changed £100 for telling me the truth that i new. |
| 22:15.34 | kjs | i have a rsync script backing up my svn repo each day... it seems to take a huge amount of time due to all the small files... |
| 22:15.50 | kjs | I guess the other option would be to tar it up and then rsync the tar file ? |
| 22:16.27 | nixofortune | i think it's a good option |
| 22:16.49 | kjs | What tar'ing it up ? |
| 22:17.25 | nixofortune | btw i played yesterday with my linux box. as a fun to conver it into apple skin |
| 22:17.30 | nixofortune | http://sharefolder.co.uk/drlug/mac4lin/after2.jpg look |
| 22:18.37 | nixofortune | http://sharefolder.co.uk/drlug/mac4lin/before.jpg this is original look |
| 22:21.14 | kjs | haha |
| 22:21.26 | kjs | that take long? |
| 22:21.29 | nixofortune | today bask to normal |
| 22:21.33 | nixofortune | no |
| 22:21.55 | nixofortune | mac4lin script runs 15 sec |
| 22:22.43 | kjs | oh where you get that from |
| 22:23.26 | nixofortune | then you need to install wxwidgets deb + simdock deb and a bit of configs thats all |
| 22:23.52 | nixofortune | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin |
| 22:24.02 | kjs | can i do that with fedora ? |
| 22:24.31 | nixofortune | sure |
| 22:24.48 | nixofortune | simdock could be in repositories |
| 22:24.55 | nixofortune | check it |
| 22:25.27 | kjs | is it easy to revert back ? |
| 22:25.29 | nixofortune | if not google for it should be rpm somewhere |
| 22:25.42 | nixofortune | yes |
| 22:26.00 | nixofortune | it looks quite dramatic |
| 22:26.34 | nixofortune | but dock is an app. you can start it or not start |
| 22:27.36 | nixofortune | basically it just a skin.one more one less doesnt make too much difference for linux |
| 22:28.54 | nixofortune | i trick couple of people. than didn't get that was just a skin. |
| 22:29.33 | nixofortune | it looks very macosish haha |
| 22:30.34 | nixofortune | http://sharefolder.co.uk/drlug/mac4lin/after1.jpg |
| 22:31.28 | kjs | ha it does look good |
| 22:31.39 | kjs | on howtoforge its 5 page guide |
| 22:32.12 | nixofortune | yes> |
| 22:32.18 | nixofortune | ? |
| 22:32.42 | nixofortune | good i didn't notice it |
| 22:33.27 | nixofortune | unpack it and run install script as nomal user |
| 22:34.40 | nixofortune | it will ask you at some point sudo passwd just give it - all procedure is 15 sec i didn't have time to realise what happened |
| 22:34.56 | kjs | will do it a bit later, trying to get ruby on rails installed atm. |
| 22:35.33 | nixofortune | i feel terrible. too tired |
| 22:35.46 | kjs | get some sleep then ? |
| 22:35.56 | z00dax | sleep ? |
| 22:35.58 | z00dax | whats that ? |
| 22:36.02 | nixofortune | will it help? |
| 22:37.56 | nixofortune | z00dax: so linux expo is looming upon us |
| 22:38.18 | nixofortune | how commercial is it? |
| 22:40.28 | nixofortune | about sleep. usually when i go to sleep i than awake and nothing happens. all stays the same. what's the meaning of all that! |
| 22:40.55 | kjs | z00dax: when you installed ror, did you follow any guides? |
| 22:42.40 | z00dax | nixofortune: not sure, its not normally too commercial. |
| 22:42.50 | z00dax | its not a very big show this year, but should be well woth coming down to |
| 22:42.54 | z00dax | nixofortune: will you be there ? |
| 22:43.06 | z00dax | kjs: here is my guide : yum install ruby-rails |
| 22:43.14 | nixofortune | yes. i will come to see you at CentOS |
| 22:43.21 | nixofortune | yes? |
| 22:44.05 | nixofortune | i will be there to help Tushar at Lonix stend |
| 22:46.21 | kjs | ohhh, last time i tried to install ruby on rails was on centos 4 |
| 22:49.41 | kjs | yum install ruby ruby-libs ruby-mode ruby-rdoc ruby-irb ruby-ri ruby-docs |
| 22:50.51 | kjs | cant seem to find a ruby-rails |
| 22:50.59 | nixofortune | kjs: http://www.howtoforge.com/ is very useful place. i'm sure you can find a lot there. |
| 22:58.07 | kjs | nixofortune: Cheers, I am aware of that site :) |
| 22:58.42 | nixofortune | well. me too |
| 22:58.46 | nixofortune | )) |
| 22:59.02 | nixofortune | stupid yeah? basic. |
| 22:59.19 | nixofortune | ok go to rest. |
| 22:59.38 | kjs | night, night |
| 23:00.13 | nixofortune | night |
| 23:06.20 | z00dax | nixofortune: yeah, come over! be good to meet |
| 23:06.36 | z00dax | kjs: couple of things |
| 23:06.41 | z00dax | you need to work out what you are trying to do |
| 23:07.01 | z00dax | also if your machine is i386 only, gems becomes a very usable option, inspite of it being a piss poorly thought about app |
| 23:38.21 | kjs | z00dax: mixed arch |
| 23:39.37 | kjs | I dont have to use ruby for this app, i could learn some thing else... ( i dont know any web based langs atm apart from a tiny amount of php), I just figured id learn ruby. |
| 23:44.42 | kjs | Maybe i should look at django |
