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| 04:44.48 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 07:52.38 | mindbendr | morning |
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| 08:27.41 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 08:29.08 | Stephmw | yo |
| 08:36.10 | zaarg | morning |
| 09:03.39 | hali | morning |
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| 09:20.25 | z00_train | hi |
| 09:20.40 | z00_train | were the drinks not going to be 3rd ? |
| 09:22.32 | Leeds | after the food and drugs? |
| 09:23.40 | z00_train | :) before the drugs! |
| 09:24.00 | Leeds | so what are 1st and 2nd? |
| 09:24.25 | morsing | z00_train! |
| 09:26.22 | z00_train | thats me |
| 09:26.46 | Leeds | z00_train: are you on a ferry then? |
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| 09:29.17 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 09:29.40 | flips_and_rails | morsing! |
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| 10:06.59 | morsing | shai_! |
| 10:14.17 | hali | fucking script |
| 10:14.19 | hali | winds me up |
| 11:00.41 | mindbendr | this is the place I work. |
| 11:00.43 | mindbendr | +rwx permissions for others removed from /root directory |
| 11:00.43 | mindbendr | sebenza and dev users locked and moved from root group to users group. |
| 11:00.44 | mindbendr | +rwx permissions removed for others on the shell script /root/script.sh |
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| 11:38.51 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
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| 12:11.48 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:12.12 | boudiccas | heres dick_turpin |
| 12:12.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hey you sexy thing how are you :-) |
| 12:13.04 | boudiccas | fine now thanks, just letting my feet recover from my interview shoes |
| 12:13.28 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ooh is it a good job? |
| 12:13.48 | boudiccas | p/t secretary for kent county council in their mental health team |
| 12:14.05 | boudiccas | but at least its a job |
| 12:14.06 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Huzzah |
| 12:14.50 | boudiccas | but i havnet got it yet, although they were talking about taking up my references at the ned of the interview. and, aafaik, they were only interviewing two people for the job |
| 12:14.55 | boudiccas | *end |
| 12:15.52 | dick_turpin | When they phone me I'll tell em your good at it ;-) |
| 12:16.07 | boudiccas | :) |
| 12:22.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: When will they let you know that you have the job? |
| 12:24.55 | boudiccas | they didnt say and i didnt ask, but they did say that they were goin to be conacting my referrees so its sounding quite hopeful |
| 12:26.17 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You should have said "When are you looking for someone to start?" |
| 12:27.17 | boudiccas | they already know that i'm willing to start on 1st september, i put that on the application form |
| 12:28.50 | morsing | boudiccas: You wore shoes on your face? |
| 12:29.22 | dick_turpin | Ah but if you'd asked that question they may have said "As soon as possible" then you'd possibly be looking at an offer this afternoon/tomorrow, I mean how long does it take to make a phone call? |
| 12:36.08 | boudiccas | as sson as stuart [my empolyment advisor hears the result, either way, he'll ring me to tell me] |
| 12:36.38 | boudiccas | morsing; you're being silly again! shoes are worn on the feet |
| 12:38.33 | morsing | 13:13 < boudiccas> fine now thanks, just letting my feet recover from my interview shoes |
| 12:38.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You trollop! Stuart is it? My Employment advisor? never mind Stuart what about your Feng Shui advisor or your personal profile advisor dick_turpin shakes his head in amazement |
| 12:39.53 | boudiccas | i dont believe in feng shui, its all a load of cobblers, and my personal profile is fine. Stuart is very good at his job despite being slightly scatter brained |
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| 12:48.50 | z00dax | boudiccas: who is an 'employment advisor' ? |
| 12:49.18 | boudiccas | z00dax; someone who helps you get a job in this case |
| 12:49.27 | z00dax | right |
| 12:49.43 | z00dax | however, not the same as headhunter / employment agency etc ? |
| 12:50.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You must be loaded to have an employment advisor or is that a posh name for an unemployment bod? Or Recruitment Consultant? |
| 12:50.10 | boudiccas | no, he works with you as an individual |
| 12:50.16 | kraptv | z00dax: I am a big fan of your work. |
| 12:50.40 | kraptv | but got sad when I saw posts regarding puppet on your blog! |
| 12:50.51 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; he works for MCCH [whatever that is] and he takes on the really hard cases to help them get a job |
| 12:51.01 | z00dax | kraptv: oh ? you dont like puppet ? |
| 12:51.30 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You a hard case then? ;-) |
| 12:51.47 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; yup, real hard :) |
| 12:51.50 | kraptv | (We deployed puppet on hundreds of systems and hired Luke for some time and it kept dying.... we paid Luke $20K for his support and he couldn't resolve issues... we went to cfengine, which puppet was designed as a response too. |
| 12:52.04 | kraptv | we had puppet keepalive scripts, zombie-restart monitors, etc. |
| 12:52.27 | z00dax | i know how that goes, I've got a few of those around. (monit)++ and these days, also looking at god |
| 12:52.29 | kraptv | quite sad! It's great conceptually, but was a major pain. |
| 12:52.43 | z00dax | did you not consider bcfg2 at all ? or did the xml do your head in |
| 12:53.24 | dick_turpin | has this vision of boudiccas being all hard in high healed shoes and ......... |
| 12:54.06 | kraptv | z00dax: we went from using makefiles across multiple unices to puppet and then to cfengine, it was an easy transition from puppet to cfengine as so many constructs are the same... |
| 12:54.22 | kraptv | despite luke saying "It's not a cfengine replacement! It's something totally new!" :-) |
| 12:54.43 | kraptv | bcfg2 is something we didn't really eval at the time. |
| 12:54.49 | z00dax | right |
| 12:54.59 | z00dax | puppet from the ground up is quite similar to cfengine |
| 12:55.19 | z00dax | and i think that was by design, since luke wanted to make it possible to move from one to the other real easy |
| 12:56.29 | kraptv | but besides that, I want to say thank you very much for doing a great job. |
| 12:56.34 | z00dax | :D |
| 12:56.52 | kraptv | how do you pay your bills, anyways? endowed by a trust? |
| 12:57.06 | kraptv | find a magic chest of cash??!! |
| 12:57.14 | z00dax | I would like that... very much. |
| 12:57.21 | z00dax | no, I have a dayjob that helps... |
| 12:57.32 | z00dax | although it would be real cool to go work on open source 24/7 |
| 12:57.37 | kraptv | Ahh, good for you... |
| 12:57.55 | z00dax | so its 30hrs/wk @ work, then 30hrs/wk on CentOS |
| 12:57.59 | z00dax | a life is not allowed. |
| 12:58.02 | kraptv | I would think there would be some sort of large company that has used your work (Oracle?) could pay you on retainer...? |
| 12:58.30 | kraptv | z00dax: I left a cartoon company in the states to come and work here in London.... |
| 12:58.53 | z00dax | humm... 'cartoon' company as in a company full of 'cartoons' ? |
| 12:58.53 | kraptv | I do high performance file servers, my former company used CentOS quite a bit. |
| 12:59.01 | kraptv | well, animation company. |
| 12:59.30 | z00dax | nice |
| 13:01.11 | kraptv | The environment was nice, dealing with grumpy ISV's that are in bed with Red Hat was a bit frustrating at times. |
| 13:01.47 | muks | that desperate housewife must've been really desperate going after michael bolton |
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| 13:02.22 | kraptv | z00dax: I assume you can at least play with CentOS for the day job, yeah? |
| 13:03.47 | kraptv | another question: who would win in an arm wrestling match, you or Johnny Hughes? |
| 13:04.23 | morsing | XmTeddy! |
| 13:05.05 | z00dax | kraptv: yes, were using CentOS at the day job as well :D |
| 13:05.10 | mindbendr | boudiccas: thought you are doing linux jobs |
| 13:05.32 | z00dax | dunno about arm wrestling match. We havent atctually ever met. |
| 13:05.34 | mindbendr | kraptv: which animation company is it |
| 13:09.00 | mindbendr | z00dax: what's the blogsite address of yours? |
| 13:09.15 | mindbendr | i'm interested in puppet nowadays |
| 13:09.39 | z00dax | mindbendr: www.karan.org/blog - i dont normally blog much about puppet though |
| 13:09.46 | z00dax | s/about puppet though// |
| 13:09.52 | z00dax | i should change that |
| 13:10.07 | mindbendr | z00dax: have you checked ticketmaster's sys managing thing |
| 13:10.15 | mindbendr | blapto mentioned it a few days ago |
| 13:10.18 | z00dax | mindbendr: url ? |
| 13:10.35 | mindbendr | http://code.google.com/p/spine-mgmt/ |
| 13:10.44 | mindbendr | it's kinda alpha/beta as he said |
| 13:11.02 | mindbendr | but they use it in ticketmaster, i couldn't have a chance to review it properly |
| 13:15.17 | mindbendr | I hated cfengine, puppet seems nice |
| 13:15.19 | z00dax | yes, there is a problem with that one - its done in perl |
| 13:15.33 | mindbendr | why is it a problem |
| 13:15.39 | z00dax | although this one is a bit better than slack, which was just a bigass perl wrapper around rsync |
| 13:15.40 | mindbendr | slow? |
| 13:15.48 | z00dax | I dont do perl |
| 13:15.56 | z00dax | gave up on it as a waste of time many years back |
| 13:16.01 | mindbendr | lol |
| 13:16.08 | mindbendr | i like perl for small stuff |
| 13:16.27 | z00dax | I like python and ruby for small stuff, if i want a bit of speed, write that bit in 'c' |
| 13:16.56 | mindbendr | seems you spend time on developing? |
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| 13:18.53 | z00dax | most of my 30hrs/week for CentOS are developing or patching stuff. |
| 13:19.04 | z00dax | quite a lot of that is in python, but more and more of it is C and asm these days |
| 13:19.24 | z00dax | the asm stuff is fun, but R..e..a....lll......lll......y....y...y.... slow going |
| 13:20.30 | mindbendr | that's cool |
| 13:20.50 | mindbendr | do you guys involve with redhat guys |
| 13:23.18 | mindbendr | why do you deal with asm? I thought CentOS just compile stuff from redhat sources |
| 13:23.36 | z00dax | we do a lot more than just that :D |
| 13:23.48 | z00dax | eg. CeeentOS for the EEEpc |
| 13:24.02 | z00dax | CentOS5/sparc |
| 13:24.03 | mindbendr | i didn't know that it's a company |
| 13:24.13 | z00dax | what is a company ? |
| 13:24.16 | mindbendr | centos |
| 13:24.20 | z00dax | its not |
| 13:24.38 | mindbendr | so how do they earn money and pay for the employees |
| 13:24.43 | mindbendr | (apart from eeepc) |
| 13:24.47 | z00dax | what employees ? |
| 13:25.08 | mindbendr | aren't you an employee of them |
| 13:25.56 | z00dax | nope |
| 13:26.02 | z00dax | no one gets paid for anything |
| 13:26.19 | z00dax | its all contributory, so if you want to do something - feel free to sign up on the -devel list and contribute |
| 13:27.20 | mindbendr | oh |
| 13:27.26 | mindbendr | you spend 30hrs/week for free |
| 13:27.32 | mindbendr | that doesn't sound wise :) |
| 13:28.24 | z00dax | I dont *haveto* |
| 13:28.35 | mindbendr | that's cool |
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| 13:38.34 | morsing | cbz! |
| 13:38.51 | cbz | hello morsing |
| 13:40.31 | z00dax | morsing: check it |
| 13:40.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:40.57 | z00dax | yes |
| 13:40.59 | z00dax | not yet though |
| 13:41.01 | z00dax | in a few hours |
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| 13:58.07 | mindbendr | z00dax: do you have any idea why do i get this error when I try to change disk parameters via hdparm " HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:58.21 | mindbendr | on sata |
| 13:58.24 | wethrin | No 32-bit transfers? |
| 13:58.27 | mindbendr | nope |
| 13:58.35 | wethrin | Because that sounds like an IDE thing |
| 13:58.37 | wethrin | Not a SATA thing |
| 13:58.53 | mindbendr | what sounds ide? |
| 13:58.57 | mindbendr | it's /dev/sda |
| 13:59.07 | wethrin | HDIO_SET_32BIT |
| 13:59.11 | wethrin | Sounds like an IDE thing |
| 13:59.29 | wethrin | I'm not even sure if you can set data transfer sizes with SATA |
| 13:59.34 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 13:59.43 | mindbendr | /dev/sda: IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) |
| 13:59.49 | mindbendr | this is annoying |
| 14:00.18 | wethrin | Are your reads unreasonably slow? |
| 14:01.01 | mindbendr | i haven't checked it, i'm just curious, in the end it can improve server performances |
| 14:01.16 | mindbendr | but it seems that hdparm doesn't support sata |
| 14:01.27 | wethrin | nope |
| 14:01.30 | mindbendr | i'd try sdparm but it doesn't show up in yum |
| 14:01.47 | mindbendr | and not sure would that work with sata as well |
| 14:05.14 | mindbendr | hmm i found this |
| 14:05.16 | mindbendr | SATA drives in the 2.6 kernel are handled by the new "libata" SCSI driver. If you add the "ATA passthru" patch (from Jeff Garzik) to your kernel, then hdparm can work with those drives. |
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| 14:06.07 | wethrin | Woo. Patch patch patch. |
| 14:06.12 | wethrin | I hope you're not running that on production systems |
| 14:06.23 | mindbendr | nope it's my desktop |
| 14:06.31 | wethrin | That's okay then :) |
| 14:06.35 | mindbendr | hmm no patch necessary |
| 14:06.37 | mindbendr | "hdparm -I /dev/sda" works (uppercase -I), then your kernel already has the passthru patch. The I/O 16 bit only applies to non-DMA IDE drives. Since SATA drives all use DMA, that setting doesn't matter and is not supported by libata. |
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| 14:26.24 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 14:56.48 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 15:21.29 | muks | morsing! |
| 15:23.00 | morsing | muks! |
| 15:23.35 | muks | sends his resume to an agent @ aston carter |
| 15:29.43 | hali | aston carter seems to be quite popular in #gllug lately |
| 15:35.32 | zaarg | i hear he sells you cv to nigerian spammers |
| 15:35.37 | zaarg | s/you/your/ |
| 15:48.45 | morsing | Beer |
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| 16:46.19 | Stephmw | hali, it is? |
| 16:46.53 | Stephmw | muks, you may have a better experience with AC than I did - I found them incredibly pushy |
| 16:48.10 | hali | i should have said 'common' or something, not popular as in good |
| 16:48.16 | hali | but a lot of people seem to be talking to them |
| 16:50.27 | hali | i've quite idle in that area in the last few years |
| 17:00.04 | z00dax | Stephmw: is pushy bad ? |
| 17:01.14 | z00dax | muks: know anyone running tinyproxy on ipv6 ? |
| 17:03.58 | muks | z00dax: tinyproxy doesn't do ipv6 yet |
| 17:04.16 | z00dax | fix it! fix it! |
| 17:04.26 | muks | it'll be done in the 1.7.x series and should be out in 1.8.x stable |
| 17:04.27 | z00dax | will it be done for Friday evening ? |
| 17:04.33 | muks | haha |
| 17:04.39 | muks | z00dax: if you promise that'll get me a job :) |
| 17:04.47 | z00dax | prolly not |
| 17:05.21 | z00dax | btw, I heard that the spinnaker shut down |
| 17:05.24 | muks | the code is in place actually for parsing ipv6 addresses |
| 17:05.31 | muks | just needs updating of the socket code |
| 17:05.34 | muks | WHAT? |
| 17:05.53 | muks | oh lord no |
| 17:05.54 | muks | poor girls |
| 17:05.58 | z00dax | something about a building buying the place out and wanting to construct offices there or something |
| 17:06.25 | z00dax | s/building/builder/ |
| 17:07.09 | z00dax | mmm girls |
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| 17:14.00 | Stephmw | z00dax, when salesmen get pushy, they lie to their client and their prospect, it can't go well |
| 17:22.19 | z00dax | true |
| 17:22.29 | z00dax | however, it is still you who needs to make it for the interview |
| 17:22.49 | z00dax | for now, i think its time to head off from work and try to get a train home |
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| 17:36.50 | morsing | kinko! |
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| 18:26.50 | ChoHag | My cat died :( |
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| 18:51.38 | morsing | gregj! |
| 18:51.40 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 18:51.45 | morsing | ChoHag: Oh noes :((( |
| 18:53.01 | Stephmw | peeks in |
| 19:02.07 | lolole_ | hello |
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| 20:39.18 | Stephmw | is there anything other than vmware workstation that can use a usb drive as an emulated ide device? |
| 20:42.18 | z00dax | Stephmw: that didnt parse right |
| 20:43.22 | Stephmw | z00dax, I need to install an os in an emulated environment, using a (physical) usb device. the emulated environment must think it's an internal drive though, not usb |
| 20:43.33 | Stephmw | emulated/virtualised |
| 20:43.41 | z00dax | and you are not using linux ? |
| 20:44.12 | Stephmw | sure I am |
| 20:44.42 | Stephmw | not sure why that would make a difference, qemu & co haven't seemed to masquerade usb devices as internal ones |
| 20:45.09 | Stephmw | virtualbox doesn't even have the option of using physical disks |
| 20:45.29 | z00dax | umm, lvm it - and use that lv ? |
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| 20:48.00 | Stephmw | investigates |
| 20:48.00 | DiscordianUK | Gah Demon's DNS is broken |
| 21:16.31 | AndyMillar | fail |
| 21:16.48 | DiscordianUK | tis fixed now |
| 21:17.16 | DiscordianUK | suspects a corrupt zone file |
| 22:04.24 | morsing | otakulyst! |
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