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| 07:51.29 | zaarg | GB is third in the olympics? WTF. |
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| 07:54.36 | mindbendr | morning |
| 07:55.05 | Leeds | by gold medals, yes |
| 07:56.42 | zaarg | can anyone actually 'win' the olympics? |
| 07:57.03 | zaarg | and if so is it by total or medal count? |
| 07:57.15 | zaarg | total gold that is |
| 08:00.46 | Leeds | the winners are all the athletes, the under-age gymnasts, the drug-takers, etc. |
| 08:01.16 | zaarg | heh |
| 08:01.21 | Leeds | all the people of bejing who have been kept from their jobs |
| 08:01.41 | Leeds | the hotels and other tourist places which have been damaged by the idiotic visa policies... |
| 08:03.17 | Leeds | the Chinese government really screwed up - apparently most hotels in Bejing are only 2/3-3/4 full this week |
| 08:05.17 | zaarg | and the stadiums less than that i hear |
| 08:06.34 | Leeds | well, a lot of that is the usual reason - tickets reserved for corporate sponsors |
| 08:08.28 | bilarh | leedS: what idiotic visa policies |
| 08:08.29 | bilarh | ? |
| 08:08.51 | Leeds | bilarh: they have seriously tightened up on visas in the past 2 months or so |
| 08:09.12 | bilarh | right |
| 08:09.13 | Leeds | made it a lot harder for foreigners to get in |
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| 08:09.30 | bilarh | that makes sense if you want foreigners to come and watch your games, i suppose :P |
| 08:09.41 | Leeds | as an example, it used to be common for people to come to HK, apply for a China visa while they were here, but they stopped that - you now have to apply in your home country |
| 08:10.11 | Leeds | they have virtually stopped issuing multi-entry tourist/visitor visas, as opposed to the more limited (and more profitable) single- or dual-entry ones |
| 08:10.53 | bilarh | you've got indefinite leave to remain anyway, haven't you? |
| 08:11.29 | Leeds | no, absolutely not |
| 08:11.46 | bilarh | oh right |
| 08:11.52 | Leeds | first, don't confuse HK and China - they are entirely different from immigration purposes |
| 08:12.50 | bilarh | ah was that why i didn't need a visa? |
| 08:12.57 | bilarh | would i need one if i went today? |
| 08:12.58 | bilarh | to hk? |
| 08:13.03 | bilarh | or is it still open? |
| 08:13.07 | Leeds | I am currently a visitor to HK - because my previous time-limited work visa ran out - allowed to stay until the end of the year or so... UK passports get 6 months at the border, without asking |
| 08:13.13 | Leeds | that allows you to stay here, but not work |
| 08:13.32 | bilarh | ah, right |
| 08:13.36 | bilarh | i thought you were working :) |
| 08:14.18 | Leeds | I may or may not be... but I do not have a visa which allows me to ;-) |
| 08:14.36 | bilarh | :P |
| 08:14.47 | bilarh | seen the film "midnight express"? :D |
| 08:15.25 | bilarh | although not the same country, granted |
| 08:15.46 | Leeds | nope |
| 08:15.53 | Leeds | I do have a visa application in, by the way |
| 08:16.19 | bilarh | midnight express is about someone smuggling drugs and getting caught and ending up in some foreign prison |
| 08:16.26 | Leeds | anyway, I also have a 1-year visitor visa for China, which lets me enter as many times as I like in that year... but they're not issuing them anymore anyway |
| 08:16.39 | bilarh | oh right |
| 08:16.42 | bilarh | visa stuff sucks |
| 08:16.52 | Leeds | and I'm slightly worried - there are stories of people having them taken away if they aren't HK residents... I was HK resident until about 3 weeks ago |
| 08:17.56 | Leeds | a friend of mine is a bit screwed..., she was here working for over a year, without a visa, but her company said it was fine because she was actually employed in the UK - she got laid off, found a new job, applied for a visa, and got told she had been in HK illegally the whole time |
| 08:18.16 | bilarh | nice :S |
| 08:18.24 | Leeds | HK immigration are normally pretty easy-going, particularly if you're white and/or british/western |
| 08:19.10 | mindbendr | Leeds: then what happened to her |
| 08:19.16 | Leeds | e.g. a couple of different immigration people told me to make a visa run after my work visa ran out - to leave HK to one of the neighbouring place (Macau or Shenzhen) then come back to get a new stamp |
| 08:19.40 | Leeds | mindbendr: as far as I know, she's in Bejing this week watching Olympics, having broken her toe last week at the horsey events here in HK |
| 08:20.08 | mindbendr | Leeds: so she didn't have any issue about the visa |
| 08:20.25 | mindbendr | or her presence illegaly |
| 08:22.00 | Leeds | her case is still pending |
| 08:22.19 | Leeds | but in the meantime, they're not going to make trouble for her, as long as she doesn't get into any other trouble |
| 08:22.38 | Leeds | she's Chinese/English - and I'm not sure if that's better than being white/English in that sort of situation |
| 08:26.10 | gregj | Leeds: :) |
| 08:26.34 | Leeds | as I said, HK immigration have no problem with me sticking around after my work visa is finished, as long as I cross and re-cross the border to change my status to visitor - and they told me to do that |
| 08:26.55 | Leeds | afternoon gregj :-) |
| 08:27.07 | gregj | morning Leeds |
| 08:27.28 | mindbendr | i wonder how would that applies for me in any european countries |
| 08:28.18 | mindbendr | does anybody use `puppet` for system management? |
| 08:28.49 | Blapto | Use rubix! |
| 08:28.54 | Blapto | Well, don't |
| 08:28.56 | Blapto | But look at it |
| 08:28.58 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 08:29.02 | mindbendr | what's that about |
| 08:29.10 | Blapto | http://code.google.com/p/spine-mgmt/ |
| 08:29.32 | mindbendr | RubixLinux was discontinued in mid 2006. Its source code is available from the following locations: |
| 08:29.39 | Blapto | I don't mean rubix, I mean spine |
| 08:29.44 | Blapto | Rubix is dead, long live spine. |
| 08:30.00 | mindbendr | do you use it |
| 08:30.11 | Blapto | "Spine is the system Ticketmaster uses to manage it's infrastructure of around 3000 systems and growing. " |
| 08:30.13 | Blapto | Yes :) |
| 08:30.29 | hali | is it just me or is google code kinda shit? |
| 08:30.34 | Blapto | The person who wrote that page doesn't speak english... FFS |
| 08:30.59 | mindbendr | ossc...@ticketmaster.com |
| 08:31.01 | Blapto | And the project "owner" has left Ticketmaster and now works for Google. |
| 08:31.04 | mindbendr | what kinda project is that |
| 08:31.05 | mindbendr | hahaha |
| 08:31.18 | Blapto | But we've still got about 7 or 8 developers working on it |
| 08:31.20 | mindbendr | Blapto: why do you recommend it instead of puppet |
| 08:31.29 | Blapto | I don't really, it's not ready for public use |
| 08:31.37 | Blapto | But it's more extensible than puppet. |
| 08:32.04 | mindbendr | more extensible? how can that be? you've got ruby for puppet |
| 08:32.25 | hali | Sysadmin on Rails |
| 08:32.57 | Blapto | spine can plug into DNS, get data from databases, that sort of thing. |
| 08:33.12 | Blapto | I'm not sure where the code on google code is up to right now though. |
| 08:33.29 | mindbendr | well it seems it has to wait, no source code, no packages |
| 08:33.34 | mindbendr | it's gonna take a few years? :) |
| 08:33.46 | mindbendr | how did you get involve in |
| 08:33.50 | Blapto | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.56 | Blapto | Everything is there |
| 08:34.09 | Blapto | I work for ticketmaster. |
| 08:34.28 | mindbendr | ah |
| 08:34.36 | mindbendr | how many servers do you have |
| 08:34.44 | hali | "3000 and growing" |
| 08:35.07 | Blapto | More than that I think |
| 08:35.20 | Blapto | There's 3841 in DNS for our team alone |
| 08:35.22 | hali | 7-8 devs on the project seems pretty serious |
| 08:35.26 | mindbendr | hmm lovely |
| 08:35.27 | zaarg | people buy them on ticketmaster then stick them on ebay |
| 08:35.29 | zaarg | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:35.31 | Blapto | Not working full time though |
| 08:35.38 | hali | as you can probably buy an equivalent commercial system for £100k or so |
| 08:35.38 | Blapto | sysadmins who also work on the project |
| 08:36.02 | Blapto | nhs | wc -l |
| 08:36.02 | Blapto | 5872# |
| 08:36.08 | zaarg | how can there be so many servers? O_o |
| 08:36.10 | mindbendr | hali: you were kidding right |
| 08:36.18 | Blapto | That's how many systems we have, though some of those are routers, switches, etc. |
| 08:36.20 | hali | mindbendr: re? |
| 08:36.26 | mindbendr | hali: 7-8 = pretty serious |
| 08:36.28 | Blapto | Probably about 4000 systems managed by spine. |
| 08:36.36 | hali | mindbendr: for a config managmeent system yes |
| 08:36.41 | mindbendr | why would you need 4000 systems on this kinda company |
| 08:36.48 | zaarg | yeah... |
| 08:36.51 | zaarg | don't you just sell tickets? |
| 08:36.56 | zaarg | what am i missing?! |
| 08:36.58 | Blapto | Errm |
| 08:37.09 | hali | scale = throw hardware at it :) |
| 08:37.36 | Blapto | Ticketmaster are in UK, IE, DE, US, CN, SE, DK, NL, NO, AU, NZ, CA and probably some more I've forgotten |
| 08:38.06 | mindbendr | lastfm doesn't have that much servers probably |
| 08:38.17 | zaarg | they don't |
| 08:38.26 | mindbendr | i assume your servers just poorly managed |
| 08:38.27 | mindbendr | :p |
| 08:38.29 | hali | hehe, they're a fairly small business though |
| 08:38.35 | hali | lastfm is just a garage shop |
| 08:38.47 | mindbendr | hali: considering how many users does it have |
| 08:38.53 | hali | i'd be surprised if they have 1% of the turnover of ticketmaster |
| 08:38.54 | zaarg | it has quite a lot of users |
| 08:38.57 | Blapto | And then we've got ticketweb in the UK and US |
| 08:39.02 | Blapto | eticketing in the UK |
| 08:39.13 | Blapto | www.kartenhaus.de in Germany |
| 08:39.29 | mindbendr | Blapto: so are you telling that spine is the way to go? shouldn't I spend time on puppet |
| 08:39.31 | Blapto | There's quite a few businesses under the generic "ticketmaster" umbrella. |
| 08:39.55 | zaarg | even if you have twenty servers for each area... |
| 08:39.57 | zaarg | lol |
| 08:40.02 | zaarg | that's no way near 5000 or so! |
| 08:40.17 | mindbendr | zaarg: may be they have got VMs |
| 08:40.31 | Blapto | I'd say you could go with spine if you run redhat/CentOS only and fancy a challenge. It's not ready for primetime yet and there's nowhere near the support that puppet has. Go for puppet really. |
| 08:40.39 | Blapto | But check spine out of SVN and have a look at it! |
| 08:41.22 | mindbendr | Blapto: what does it use as a backend |
| 08:42.19 | Blapto | 20 servers for each area? We've probably got 20 proxies in each area... Thing is even though load is low normally, the company's entire business model is based on being available during high demand onsales. You have to have huge clusters to deal with, say, the Olympics tickets going on sale, or football matches, or large festivals. |
| 08:42.38 | Blapto | mindbendr: In theory it could use anything, we use it with subversion here though. |
| 08:42.50 | mindbendr | svn |
| 08:42.52 | Blapto | Check in config changes to subversion, roll up a tarball. |
| 08:44.17 | Blapto | Bear in mind during a large sale, we might have a few hundred thousand people log on at exactly 9AM, all wanting the same tickets. |
| 08:45.13 | mindbendr | I hope it's not another cfengine |
| 08:46.07 | Blapto | Like I said, not ready for primetime, but interesting to look at. |
| 08:46.22 | zaarg | still last estimate i saw of google was 500,000 servers |
| 08:46.36 | Blapto | They have fairly predictable load though. |
| 08:46.49 | zaarg | they should only need 10 at most damnit! |
| 08:46.53 | Blapto | Haha |
| 08:46.57 | mindbendr | Blapto: it would be easier to get in to work at ticketmaster if I would learn it in advance :D |
| 08:47.05 | Blapto | mindbendr: you want a job here? |
| 08:47.11 | mindbendr | Blapto: not now |
| 08:47.15 | Blapto | OK |
| 08:47.17 | mindbendr | Blapto: may be in the future, do you recommend |
| 08:47.20 | Blapto | I don't know if we're hiring right now. |
| 08:47.24 | Blapto | I like it here |
| 08:47.31 | mindbendr | ticketmaster hires all the time it seems |
| 08:47.44 | Blapto | Depends what you want to do. |
| 08:47.46 | mindbendr | are there full of geeks |
| 08:48.02 | Blapto | The guy sat behind me is wearing a "skynet" t-shirt today... |
| 08:48.07 | mindbendr | hahahahaha |
| 08:48.11 | mindbendr | ace! |
| 08:48.12 | Blapto | Everybody runs linux on their desktops. |
| 08:48.22 | mindbendr | is there any female around |
| 08:48.35 | Blapto | Errm, there's a female app support manager, and a female DBA |
| 08:48.36 | zaarg | lol |
| 08:48.38 | mindbendr | i mean i wouldn't wanna feel like going to army |
| 08:48.40 | Blapto | 2 female DBAs! |
| 08:48.57 | Blapto | And plenty of pretty girls in the Finance department, sat next to the geeks. |
| 08:48.59 | mindbendr | geekarmy |
| 08:49.50 | zaarg | do they give you free tickets? |
| 08:50.09 | mindbendr | how many sysadmins are there then |
| 08:50.43 | Blapto | Free tickets occasionally, yeah, though not for any given event |
| 08:50.51 | Blapto | But we don't pay shipping or service charge. |
| 08:51.08 | Blapto | 10 linux, 3 windows |
| 08:51.16 | mindbendr | it's not many |
| 08:51.18 | Blapto | Same number again in application support. |
| 08:51.21 | mindbendr | considering 3000+ servers |
| 08:51.24 | Blapto | That's for the UK and EU though. |
| 08:51.27 | mindbendr | ah |
| 08:51.33 | mindbendr | it's not much anyway |
| 08:51.37 | Blapto | there's about twice as many again in the US |
| 08:52.22 | mindbendr | facebook is hiring nowadays |
| 08:52.29 | mindbendr | if anyone interested |
| 08:52.33 | Blapto | In the UK? |
| 08:52.35 | mindbendr | yep |
| 08:52.38 | mindbendr | 500p/d |
| 08:52.43 | zaarg | they have ten million servers |
| 08:52.54 | mindbendr | the agency mentioned however i can't understand how could that be permanent and 500p/d |
| 08:53.19 | Blapto | That's odd |
| 08:53.20 | zaarg | i used to work at a uni |
| 08:53.26 | zaarg | we have treble the number of admis |
| 08:53.28 | zaarg | haha |
| 08:53.39 | Blapto | Oh, we've got other admins for the user's side of thing |
| 08:53.42 | zaarg | it was very badly run :D |
| 08:53.59 | Blapto | at least 1 network admin in every 8 hour timezone (UK, US, CN) |
| 08:54.15 | zaarg | but facebok is pure evil |
| 08:54.17 | mindbendr | Blapto: where is it located |
| 08:54.28 | Blapto | Leicester Square |
| 08:54.29 | mindbendr | lol i've heard fun stuff about facebook |
| 08:54.37 | mindbendr | Blapto: that's cool |
| 08:55.04 | mindbendr | Iâve been thinking about your skills and the conversation we had re Facebook and although you mentioned that you were not interested in moving jobs at the moment, Iâm keen to find out why this is so, and what it would take for you to consider a move. |
| 08:55.13 | mindbendr | guys go for it :) |
| 08:55.34 | Blapto | Got a great e-mail a while back |
| 08:55.34 | mindbendr | Everyone has a price (whether that be financial or otherwise) and I really do believe that your skills would be very useful at Facebook. |
| 08:55.37 | zaarg | i sort of imagine people working there being very annoying for some reason |
| 08:55.41 | Blapto | in a job spec: |
| 08:55.59 | Blapto | "It is vital to have good communications is essential. Please send your CV's to Gary." |
| 08:56.29 | zaarg | haha |
| 08:56.34 | Blapto | brb |
| 08:56.37 | mindbendr | is this guy serious |
| 08:57.22 | zaarg | YOUR SKILLz R G8T. PLZ EMAIL FR CH4T |
| 08:57.26 | mindbendr | lol |
| 09:18.04 | Blapto | haha |
| 09:18.36 | mindbendr | the guy insists and is gonna at noon |
| 09:18.59 | mindbendr | *call |
| 09:19.55 | Leeds | for 500quid/day, I'd seriously think about working for Microsoft |
| 09:20.02 | Leeds | for a week or two, anywa |
| 09:22.18 | hali | city jobs can easily fetch 70-75k these days with the right skillset ... as permies |
| 09:22.36 | hali | sybase/oracle/j2ee stacks |
| 09:22.59 | hali | thats bordering on the 500 per day as contractor |
| 09:23.48 | wethrin | Yes, but you have to dirty yourself by working with Java and Orrible |
| 09:24.24 | Leeds | I'd do 2 weeks for 5 grand |
| 09:24.46 | zaarg | yeah 75k isn't worth it incurring brain-damage for |
| 09:24.46 | Leeds | assuming we didn't have to get the government involved, anyway |
| 09:25.18 | hali | doesn't have to be very bad, oracle is quite nice to work with |
| 09:25.35 | hali | j2ee can be bit tiring sometimes but java generally is pretty nice |
| 09:25.42 | zaarg | no it's not. |
| 09:25.46 | zaarg | oracle is like the worst thing ever. |
| 09:25.55 | hali | weblogic/websphere can be annoying |
| 09:25.59 | hali | matter of taste |
| 09:26.05 | hali | i presume you are php/mysql :) |
| 09:26.17 | zaarg | postgresql |
| 09:26.19 | zaarg | hell even ms sql |
| 09:26.23 | hali | and i take it you've never seen informix :) |
| 09:26.34 | zaarg | actually ms sql is quite good to be fair |
| 09:26.38 | zaarg | no i haven't |
| 09:27.46 | Leeds | I am currently paid to be php/mysql, but I would be python/postgres-or-sqlite by choice |
| 09:31.16 | hali | i always fail to see why people use mysql for anything but 500 line php apps |
| 09:31.38 | hali | one only theory is "it's got a catchy name" |
| 09:32.09 | zaarg | it's fast and there's loads of tools and help to make it work |
| 09:32.10 | Leeds | hey, it's backed by Sun, it can't be that bad |
| 09:32.13 | Leeds | like Java, right? |
| 09:32.18 | zaarg | oh and it's free |
| 09:33.04 | Leeds | we appear to have at least 10k lines of PHP interacting with it - I did *not* write this stuff, I'm just maintaining it |
| 09:39.01 | Blapto | Free, and site licenses for support is cheap, if you have a manager/legal department who likes that sort of thing |
| 09:41.05 | zaarg | the smart kids some sort of orm anyway 8-) |
| 09:42.03 | rhowe | hibernate++ |
| 09:44.27 | zaarg | it's a bank holiday this weekend? |
| 09:44.34 | Blapto | Yes! |
| 09:44.43 | zaarg | WOOOOOOOT |
| 09:44.47 | zaarg | \o/ |
| 09:45.05 | Leeds | I have a night away with my lady friend booked for Saturday - and it's not a bank holiday here |
| 09:46.38 | rhowe | Leeds: I tihnk I may have pulled at a tech meetId at a tech meet |
| 09:46.51 | rhowe | damn laggy SSH |
| 09:47.05 | Leeds | rhowe: what's her nick? |
| 09:48.02 | rhowe | Leeds: There's no corresponding IRC channel |
| 09:48.09 | rhowe | Leeds: She's a RoR developer |
| 09:48.17 | Leeds | ah, Japanese? |
| 09:48.23 | rhowe | .cn |
| 09:48.36 | Leeds | duh :-) |
| 09:48.54 | Leeds | didn't you have a second wife lined up? |
| 09:49.02 | rhowe | ah, yeah. Turned her down |
| 09:49.11 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:49.44 | mindbendr | Spine works on a different paradigm from anything else |
| 09:49.44 | mindbendr | out there. As such, we feel it allows you to scale your admin-to-server ratio |
| 09:49.45 | mindbendr | easier. |
| 09:49.56 | Leeds | mindbendr: good to know |
| 09:49.58 | mindbendr | Blapto: this is bad for admins! we'll end up unemployed |
| 09:50.36 | rhowe | http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v171/199/18/517986561/n517986561_398547_6643.jpg |
| 09:51.16 | Leeds | wahay! |
| 09:51.33 | Leeds | eh, not too bad actually, now the photo has loaded |
| 09:51.47 | rhowe | http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v150/199/18/517986561/n517986561_348036_3018.jpg |
| 09:51.48 | mindbendr | who's she |
| 09:52.02 | rhowe | For now, a friend |
| 09:52.04 | Leeds | although her chin does appear to be the same size as her nose |
| 09:52.28 | rhowe | hehe |
| 09:52.35 | mindbendr | i've just clicked the link and everyone in the company seen the girl |
| 09:52.50 | Leeds | eh, I've already got me a Chinese girl |
| 09:53.14 | rhowe | heh |
| 09:53.16 | wethrin | rhowe! |
| 09:53.22 | rhowe | Well, I've semi-gotten me another |
| 09:53.25 | Leeds | big weekend away planned... to Macau, no less! |
| 09:53.31 | rhowe | Well see where it goes |
| 09:53.50 | Blapto | rhowe: I thought you had one already? |
| 09:53.56 | rhowe | Blapto: I was married to one |
| 09:54.01 | zaarg | i had a gf once. *sniff* |
| 09:54.07 | Blapto | Was? Sorry to hear that. |
| 09:54.16 | wethrin | rhowe: You around this weekend at all? |
| 09:54.19 | rhowe | Blapto: *shrug* these things happen |
| 09:54.29 | rhowe | wethrin: I'm planning to cycle to the peak district, weather-permitting |
| 09:55.03 | wethrin | You're crazy. HTH. |
| 09:55.15 | Leeds | from London??? |
| 09:55.18 | rhowe | From London |
| 09:55.31 | Leeds | FROM LONDON?!?!?!?!? |
| 09:55.41 | rhowe | FROM LONDON |
| 09:55.44 | zaarg | from london?! |
| 09:55.47 | bilarh | good man :D |
| 09:55.58 | Leeds | freak |
| 09:56.08 | bilarh | how far is it? |
| 09:56.41 | rhowe | bilarh: ~170 miles |
| 09:56.57 | wethrin | 10 hours, if you average 17, which isn't hugely unreasonable |
| 09:57.04 | rhowe | does google maps directions from n16 5sj to sk23 7ex, walking |
| 09:57.10 | Blapto | You're forgetting pub stops |
| 09:57.11 | rhowe | wethrin: I think 12 is a more reasonable average |
| 09:57.16 | wethrin | "Go over these styles...." |
| 09:57.20 | zaarg | i cycled to cambridge and was knackered. O_o |
| 09:57.32 | bilarh | wethrin: 10 hours at 17 miles per hour average speed is quite a lot |
| 09:57.32 | zaarg | that's crazy O_o |
| 09:57.37 | Leeds | rhowe: we have these things nowadays... vehicles which can transport people without using their own energy |
| 09:57.41 | wethrin | bilarh: It's 170 miles. HTH :) |
| 09:58.01 | Blapto | Leeds: I don't think he's going for efficiency, somehow. |
| 09:58.02 | bilarh | fwiw, i've cycled 180 miles in 15 hours |
| 09:58.20 | bilarh | but that was with regular stops every 25 miles to fill up water bottles etc etc |
| 09:58.23 | bilarh | without that, you'd be fucked :) |
| 09:58.36 | bilarh | and on a race type bike |
| 09:58.45 | zaarg | cycling for that long just sounds like a pain in teh arse more than anything though :) |
| 09:58.47 | bilarh | rhowe: what kind of bike are you going on? |
| 09:59.08 | rhowe | bilarh: A heavy one |
| 09:59.09 | zaarg | literally |
| 09:59.15 | bilarh | i found the worst part was my palms and thumbs, actually |
| 09:59.16 | rhowe | bilarh: Carrera Subway 8 |
| 09:59.25 | bilarh | they go numb after a couple of hours :S |
| 09:59.39 | wethrin | zaarg: That's why the design those comfy bike seats...... (hahahahha) |
| 10:00.08 | rhowe | bilarh: I reckon it won't be much tougher than when I did 135 miles into a 20mph headwind the whole way |
| 10:00.35 | bilarh | rhowe: headwind is the fucking worst thing ever |
| 10:00.43 | bilarh | it's *so* draining |
| 10:01.09 | rhowe | bilarh: Yeah. Especially with 2 bulging panniers catching the wind |
| 10:01.21 | rhowe | bilarh: I'll definitely pack lighter this time, too. No laptop, for one |
| 10:01.30 | rhowe | bilarh: No half kilo of belgian chocs |
| 10:02.06 | bilarh | hmm, the chocolate is essential, though |
| 10:02.07 | xteddy | smiles |
| 10:02.17 | rhowe | bilarh: I couldn't lift the bike then, it was so heavy |
| 10:02.17 | bilarh | leave the spare tyre at home instead IMO :P |
| 10:02.36 | gregj | who's 'a hobo' ? (@dilbert Today) |
| 10:02.46 | zaarg | a bum |
| 10:02.48 | zaarg | tramp? |
| 10:02.49 | bilarh | gregj: a homeless person? |
| 10:02.57 | zaarg | or yeah...that |
| 10:02.59 | Blapto | http://dilbert.com/fast <- my gift to dilbert readers |
| 10:03.49 | bilarh | rhowe: do you generally cycle a lot? |
| 10:03.58 | Leeds | hometime! |
| 10:04.03 | rhowe | bilarh: Well, into work and back at least. ~9 miles a day |
| 10:04.14 | bilarh | rhowe: cool, not bad |
| 10:04.24 | rhowe | bilarh: Did Billericay -> London, plus 15 around london on Sunday |
| 10:04.36 | rhowe | bilarh: So that was probably getting on for a 50 mile day |
| 10:04.50 | bilarh | 50 miles is a good training distance :) |
| 10:04.54 | rhowe | bilarh: Plus a session in the gym at the end of it all |
| 10:05.09 | bilarh | it makes me laugh when people go on about the "london-brighton" bike ride here in england :D |
| 10:05.18 | gregj | bilarh: so i thought, just wasn't sure :) thanks. |
| 10:05.18 | bilarh | it's like a poxy 60 miles or something :) |
| 10:05.29 | rhowe | bilarh: Followed by a long night with a lady friend. Quite a tiring day, in all |
| 10:06.17 | bilarh | rhowe: ever contemplated doing this: http://www.vatternrundan.se/default.aspx?lang=1 |
| 10:06.23 | wethrin | Isn't London->Brighton the old car rally? |
| 10:06.50 | zaarg | 50 miles is tough! i do have a single speed though. |
| 10:07.06 | cpufreak | heh |
| 10:07.23 | cpufreak | my commute this morning, was about 700 miles. |
| 10:07.44 | gregj | Blapto: I wrote a perl script, that checks every hour or so for new strip, and emails me the actual image |
| 10:07.45 | bilarh | cpufreak: not on a push bike, i take it |
| 10:07.48 | zaarg | my cycle commute is 0.5 miles. can't really work up a sweat. |
| 10:07.49 | rhowe | bilarh: Never even knew about it |
| 10:07.56 | Blapto | every hour? Someone's a fan :) |
| 10:07.57 | rhowe | bilarh: I quite like going out on my own really |
| 10:08.16 | rhowe | zaarg: Fixed wheel? |
| 10:08.22 | gregj | Blapto: ;] |
| 10:08.26 | zaarg | rhowe: no |
| 10:08.27 | bilarh | rhowe: it's quite a cool event, though :) I've done it twice... doing it again in 2009 |
| 10:08.29 | gregj | Blapto: same for garfield, uf, and few others |
| 10:08.30 | zaarg | though it can be |
| 10:08.39 | rhowe | zaarg: Ah, you have a flip-flop hub? |
| 10:08.40 | zaarg | just single speed with flip flop hub. |
| 10:08.46 | wethrin | zaarg: You could move further away |
| 10:08.54 | rhowe | zaarg: Not tried it the other way around? |
| 10:09.04 | zaarg | rhowe: nah, not yet. |
| 10:09.07 | wethrin | Has UF actually been funny in the last 5 years? |
| 10:09.15 | gregj | from time to time |
| 10:09.21 | zaarg | i just got a bike again really, just getting used to it. |
| 10:09.21 | rhowe | zaarg: Do. It's fun. Make sure you're strapped in though |
| 10:09.22 | wethrin | I stopped reading it about then |
| 10:09.34 | wethrin | Mostly because there wasn't anything funny in the previous couple of yeasr |
| 10:09.51 | rhowe | zaarg: I've got an internal geared hub on mine. Only 8 gears, but a decent enough range |
| 10:10.10 | zaarg | yeah, i have clipless pedals. |
| 10:10.17 | cpufreak | bilarh: no in a plane |
| 10:11.26 | gregj | wethrin: I love authors comments on different situations on IT scene |
| 10:11.30 | zaarg | wethrin: heh, i just moved closer. i used to do five miles or so. |
| 10:11.44 | zaarg | when i start uni my commute will be a massive 0.8 miles. |
| 10:11.54 | zaarg | rhowe: i'm pretty anti-gears now. |
| 10:11.57 | zaarg | most of the time anyway |
| 10:12.34 | rhowe | zaarg: Been up Highgate Hill on it? :) |
| 10:12.49 | wethrin | gregj: Fair enough. I just found the comics to end up pandering too much to the Slashdot weenies "LOL MICRO$OFT BAD!!! LINUX OMGTEHGOOD!!!111!" |
| 10:12.55 | zaarg | rhowe: nope... |
| 10:13.10 | gregj | wethrin: screw slasdotters |
| 10:13.16 | wethrin | indeed |
| 10:13.24 | wethrin | I gave up on /. *ages* ago |
| 10:13.25 | rhowe | is going to go flower shopping |
| 10:18.39 | zaarg | i'm going to have to attempt highgate hill now. |
| 10:18.52 | zaarg | there's not so many hills here, one of the things i like about this city. |
| 10:25.35 | bilarh | damn, i'm getting all excited about this bike thing already |
| 10:25.41 | bilarh | what's it like cycling on british roads? |
| 10:26.32 | wethrin | Depends on the road |
| 10:26.41 | wethrin | Cars are generally polite to cyclists |
| 10:26.42 | rhowe | bilarh: OK really. There's a lot of glass and debris in London |
| 10:26.56 | wethrin | Throw your bike on a train, get out somewhere to the country |
| 10:27.00 | bilarh | i'm not going to cycle in london, i'm in bromley at the moment and i'm going to go *out* from london :) |
| 10:27.27 | zaarg | in london the cars are pretty good really |
| 10:27.29 | wethrin | If you like flat, head out to Cambridge area |
| 10:27.31 | zaarg | they're used to cyclists i think |
| 10:27.40 | wethrin | bilarh: Best, really, is to find disused railway lines |
| 10:28.47 | bilarh | disused railway lines? :S |
| 10:28.48 | rhowe | Yeah, the buses are generally excellent at dealing with cyclists in London. Cars and taxis a little less so, but still quite good |
| 10:28.54 | bilarh | doesn't sound mega-comfortable :) |
| 10:29.06 | rhowe | bilarh: They're better than the ones that are still in use, for cycling that is |
| 10:29.09 | wethrin | bilarh: They've pulled up the track |
| 10:29.13 | wethrin | So it's just a flat footpath |
| 10:29.28 | bilarh | ah :) |
| 10:29.35 | zaarg | yup, the buses have surprised me actually |
| 10:29.41 | zaarg | they keep out your way generally |
| 10:30.01 | zaarg | overtaking bendy ones can be hairy at times |
| 10:30.08 | rhowe | buses need a handle on the back for cyclists to hang onto |
| 10:33.23 | rhowe | wethrin: OBSD guru |
| 10:33.39 | wethrin | aye? |
| 10:33.45 | rhowe | wethrin: In Debian, you can get the pid of a listening process using netstat. Can you do the same in OpenBSD? |
| 10:34.06 | rhowe | wethrin: Quick scan of the man page didn't show anything up |
| 10:36.03 | wethrin | pass |
| 10:36.15 | rhowe | *shrug* don eit now |
| 10:36.28 | rhowe | Just looked up the protocols and took an educated guess |
| 10:37.11 | wethrin | Good plan :) |
| 10:41.06 | antiphase | `lsof -i` if it's installed |
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| 10:43.24 | wethrin | Ahh, yes. Joy of joys. lsof segfaults for me |
| 10:43.33 | wethrin | (OpenBSD 3.9/sparc64) |
| 10:43.41 | catalyst | beware, drivers of Britain |
| 10:43.45 | zaarg | ssh callisto |
| 10:43.47 | catalyst | you now have me to contend with |
| 10:43.48 | wethrin | Have you passed your test? |
| 10:43.52 | wethrin | Congrats |
| 10:43.53 | catalyst | yes =) |
| 10:43.55 | catalyst | cheers |
| 10:43.55 | zaarg | hrm, someone has been moving my windows around |
| 10:43.57 | wethrin | Just keep away from the north for the moment |
| 10:44.10 | catalyst | I make no promises |
| 10:46.27 | mindbendr | lol |
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| 10:50.26 | gregj | wb |
| 11:01.24 | Leeds | ty |
| 11:11.52 | kjalil | anyone here know something about mysql replication? |
| 11:12.26 | gregj | it fails very often |
| 11:12.29 | gregj | that all i know ;p |
| 11:12.44 | kjalil | hmm |
| 11:13.30 | kjalil | i've setup replication but I copied the 'mysql' DB across to the slave. Can I now add new users/change things on the slave without affecting the replication somehow? |
| 11:14.03 | gregj | wholoe mysql is a really not worth trust piece of code |
| 11:14.23 | gregj | but, that's just my expierence. that's why I prefer to use postgresql everywhere nowdays |
| 11:14.46 | gregj | you just gotta tell em in conf files to talk to each other, as far as I remember, and whole replication is done magicaly |
| 11:16.46 | zaarg | surely you want to add users on the master? |
| 11:16.50 | zaarg | and replicate them across? |
| 11:16.53 | zaarg | isn't that like the point? |
| 11:17.49 | kjalil | zaarg: yes but I realized I might need to add some new users on the slave only |
| 11:18.45 | wethrin | Then you're not replicating |
| 11:18.51 | zaarg | pretty much |
| 11:18.51 | zaarg | lol |
| 11:19.56 | kjalil | wethrin: no, i'm replicating the databases, but I think I don't need to replicate the 'mysql' DB |
| 11:20.09 | zaarg | i would imagine that you can create a user on the slave and nothing will be effected |
| 11:20.43 | zaarg | ;) |
| 11:20.50 | antiphase | MySQL isn't some lockstep thing. It will only break when events on the master infringe constraints on a slave |
| 11:21.37 | rhowe | woo |
| 11:21.47 | kjalil | yeah I think if there is a conflict, the replication might stop. So I think i should not replicate the 'mysql' db |
| 11:21.49 | rhowe | is doing dangerous things with the production network in the middle of the day |
| 11:21.54 | rhowe | and so far, it seems to be working |
| 11:22.29 | rhowe | network looks something like --- ADSL --> dsl-gw <--- ospf ----> pair of OpenBSD machines <=== other networks |
| 11:22.45 | rhowe | currently, all the firewalling and NATing happens on dsl-gw |
| 11:23.02 | rhowe | is moving the NAT addresses and all the iptables rules into pf on the pair of OBSD machines |
| 11:23.10 | rhowe | So far, everything is working. One address left to move |
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| 11:29.12 | mindbendr | rhowe: pfsense? |
| 11:29.30 | wethrin | rhowe: You're using carp? |
| 11:30.45 | wethrin | pf is just *so* much nicer than iptables |
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| 11:55.02 | morsing | blight! |
| 11:55.05 | morsing | shai_! |
| 11:55.20 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 12:03.24 | blight | morsing: greetings |
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| 12:14.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wake up |
| 12:19.06 | bilarh | dick_turpin: what's up? |
| 12:20.21 | dick_turpin | I'm bored shitless sick of programming geeks yabbering away. I just want some idle chit chat so I thought of you :-) |
| 12:20.57 | bilarh | great, i'm the last choice |
| 12:21.23 | bilarh | dick: i'm doing this next year http://www.vatternrundan.se/default.aspx?lang=1 |
| 12:21.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No you was my only choice |
| 12:22.06 | dick_turpin | Whats that? Cycling? |
| 12:22.41 | bilarh | yeah |
| 12:22.50 | bilarh | 186 miles of it |
| 12:23.00 | bilarh | cool, huh??? :D |
| 12:23.10 | bilarh | hopefully it will be warmer than 5 degrees celsius this time around :S |
| 12:23.41 | dick_turpin | My old man used to race push bikes when he was younger, I was only small but I think he was pretty good at it I seem to remember |
| 12:23.49 | rhowe | wethrin: That's as maybe, but it's still not trivial to convert from one to the other |
| 12:23.57 | rhowe | wethrin: Especially when the iptables ruleset is a complete mess |
| 12:24.24 | bilarh | dick_turpin: one of these http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:moJ1Yf78OSApPM:http://historyforkids.utah.gov/fun_and_games/photos/images/beforecolorfilm/large/bike_guy.jpg ? |
| 12:26.04 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Na, he has a cool black and white picture I'll have to see if I can get it he looks the business like you see on Tour De France pretty good action shot |
| 12:28.03 | rhowe | OK, done |
| 12:28.08 | rhowe | Now, time to see what I broke |
| 12:32.04 | bilarh | bloody hell, i'm so tired i'm sitting here falling asleep |
| 12:32.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I know thats why I said "Wake up" |
| 12:35.51 | bilarh | tries to wake himself up with another gallon of coffee |
| 12:38.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Boo! any good? |
| 12:38.26 | bilarh | no it's instant |
| 12:40.47 | wethrin | rhowe: Isn't 'a complete mess' par for the course? |
| 12:40.53 | wethrin | Anyway. Just rewrite the rules |
| 12:41.14 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:56.36 | gregj | cola! |
| 12:56.36 | hali | http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2971328.html?menu= |
| 12:57.07 | morsing | gregj: I got the job :) |
| 12:57.19 | gregj | so you can afford all that beer, you brit ;p |
| 12:57.23 | morsing | Yes!! |
| 12:57.37 | gregj | congratts mate |
| 12:57.53 | morsing | :) |
| 12:58.42 | morsing | :( |
| 12:59.17 | gregj | sudent change of mood, you must be british already - for sure ;p |
| 12:59.27 | gregj | no beer :( , yes beer :), while 1; |
| 12:59.39 | morsing | boudiccas left :( |
| 12:59.50 | gregj | well, he didn't left, he timed out |
| 13:00.05 | morsing | He??!!? |
| 13:00.08 | gregj | he got disconnected, it wasn't his decision probably to leave as such |
| 13:00.16 | morsing | gregj: You're in SERIOUS trouble!!! |
| 13:00.16 | gregj | or maybe she, no idea |
| 13:00.21 | gregj | ;> |
| 13:00.24 | morsing | VERY serious trouble |
| 13:00.37 | morsing | You better hope she doesn't go through the logs when she gets back |
| 13:00.51 | gregj | ooh, I am all shaking |
| 13:00.57 | Blapto | Is the channel still logged? |
| 13:00.57 | gregj | God help me |
| 13:00.58 | gregj | ;. |
| 13:01.02 | Blapto | I thought we stopped that years back? |
| 13:01.15 | morsing | Blapto: It is forytunately |
| 13:01.18 | morsing | Blapto: It is fortunately |
| 13:01.24 | morsing | "Stopped it"? |
| 13:01.43 | morsing | Blapto: But you can also get your client to log - mine does |
| 13:01.47 | Blapto | There used to be stats and everything, with who typed the most, the longest sentences, etc. |
| 13:01.56 | Blapto | But how could she log if she's not in the room? |
| 13:02.08 | morsing | Blapto: Oh :) |
| 13:02.13 | morsing | Well, this channel is lgged |
| 13:02.58 | wethrin | Blapto: Oh, jonmasters' stats stopped |
| 13:03.00 | wethrin | ibot still logs |
| 13:03.01 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 13:03.42 | morsing | And mozrat's |
| 13:04.06 | Blapto | Ah, OK |
| 13:04.17 | Blapto | ibot seen mozrat |
| 13:04.19 | ibot | mozrat <i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 252d 20h 7m 40s ago, saying: 'morsing: cheers'. |
| 13:04.24 | morsing | I should run them instead |
| 13:04.32 | Blapto | 252 days? |
| 13:04.55 | morsing | Blapto: He lives with boudiccas mother now |
| 13:05.09 | Blapto | You do have the most logical explanations for everything, morsing. |
| 13:05.18 | morsing | I know |
| 13:08.40 | z00dax | its a gift |
| 13:31.50 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 13:52.07 | Leeds | the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, he said |
| 13:52.43 | zaarg | and still they come |
| 13:58.02 | Blapto | ticketmaster are hiring a Senior DBA |
| 13:58.28 | Blapto | The team support Oracle 8i, 9i, 10g, SQL Server 7, 2000, 2005 and MySQL 4,5 database systems for several ticketing platforms that currently serve nine European countries. The databases are designed for high transactional throughput while providing redundancy and ensuring scalability. Major ticketing on sales have seen over 11,000 tickets per minute being sold through our online system. |
| 13:58.39 | Blapto | etc. If anybody's interested. |
| 13:59.26 | wethrin | Eww, Orrible |
| 14:04.39 | hali | Blapto: where are you based? |
| 14:05.26 | Blapto | Leicester Square |
| 14:05.41 | hali | ah, not bad |
| 14:19.37 | bilarh | mmm, crisps, twix bar and a diet coke |
| 14:19.40 | bilarh | what could possibly go wrong |
| 14:29.24 | zaarg | diet coke? |
| 14:29.26 | zaarg | WTF |
| 14:29.32 | zaarg | ewwwwwwwww |
| 14:29.43 | bilarh | i need my poison, mmk |
| 14:29.52 | zaarg | you need hte hard stuff |
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| 15:00.48 | wethrin | zaarg: Irn Bru? |
| 15:06.14 | Leeds | made in Scotland... |
| 15:07.00 | zaarg | ah....bru |
| 15:07.13 | zaarg | bru is always good |
| 15:07.24 | wethrin | from girders |
| 15:08.34 | zaarg | great for hangovers |
| 15:08.47 | zaarg | or breakfast |
| 15:08.57 | wethrin | Or at any time of the day |
| 15:09.03 | wethrin | Except whisky-time |
| 15:09.10 | zaarg | yeah, pretty much. |
| 15:35.42 | hali | plays with his new shiny acer aspire one |
| 15:38.02 | Discordian | I like acer laptops, not seen the Aspire one though |
| 15:38.20 | Blapto | is drinking irn bru right now |
| 15:38.37 | wethrin | had an Acer laptop until it broke |
| 15:38.53 | wethrin | I liked it, too |
| 15:39.26 | Leeds | has been playing with GAE this evening |
| 15:39.35 | gregj | acer doesn't make laptops, they make portable PCs |
| 15:39.46 | gregj | there's great difference inbetween ;) |
| 15:40.04 | Leeds | also, respect to inkscape - remarkably easy to make a simple icon-type image in it |
| 15:40.48 | wethrin | gregj: Yeah. A laptop isn't supposed to burn your crotch. Which is why Dell call their computers 'notebooks' |
| 15:41.05 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 15:41.14 | gregj | wear burnproof knickers (or whatever the spelling is) |
| 15:41.28 | Blapto | asbestos? |
| 15:41.39 | Blapto | flame retardant :) |
| 15:42.05 | wethrin | "There's a fire in my pants, and I can't get it out" |
| 15:44.38 | gregj | :] |
| 15:50.45 | mindbendr | gregj: is it a good thing or not |
| 15:51.37 | mindbendr | some ppl pay loads of money for alienware laptops with the pc hardware inside |
| 15:52.12 | wethrin | mindbendr: Some people are idiots :) |
| 15:59.08 | hali | the aspire one is a netbook, 8.9" |
| 15:59.14 | hali | atom based so pretty cool |
| 16:02.19 | hali | and i officially declare it crippled :) |
| 16:02.25 | hali | didn't come with ssh preinstalled |
| 16:02.33 | Discordian | heh |
| 16:30.32 | zaarg | wow tube strike |
| 16:30.43 | zaarg | but i'm only 0.5mile so i have no excuse to work from home :( |
| 16:31.01 | Shevek31337 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548476 |
| 16:31.07 | wethrin | The tube drivers are always on strike |
| 16:58.14 | AndyMillar | which lines are striking? |
| 17:00.15 | mindbendr | cya tomorrow. |
| 17:03.29 | z00dax | I have an Acer Ferrari |
| 17:03.31 | z00dax | it rocks! |
| 17:04.31 | wethrin | Zoooom |
| 17:06.30 | z00dax | my only gripe with it is that inspite of 2x1GB ram modules in there, it wont dual channel |
| 17:16.55 | gregj | anyone to have expierence with car rentals in UK ? |
| 17:17.05 | wethrin | Yes |
| 17:17.18 | gregj | cos I am just looking up things ahead |
| 17:17.38 | wethrin | You book, you turn up at your rental place with copious documentation, they make you fill in forms, you drive off |
| 17:17.50 | gregj | seems that 'budget' and 'herz' are decently not overpriced, but the thing is - I rather pay more, if there's something wrong with these companies |
| 17:18.01 | gregj | wethrin: rrright ;p |
| 17:18.07 | wethrin | I've always used Enterprise |
| 17:18.13 | wethrin | Mostly because they're the only one in Durham |
| 17:18.19 | gregj | :D lol |
| 17:18.33 | gregj | well, I am looking at something in Belfast City |
| 17:19.13 | gregj | dunno if 'enterprise' is there |
| 17:19.49 | gregj | I heard that that ireland is nice, and since it is up north, considerably small island, weather is not going to be good for all day cycling :) |
| 17:20.13 | wethrin | True |
| 17:20.23 | wethrin | TBH, all car rentals are likely to be about the same |
| 17:20.38 | gregj | well, they differ in pricing so much |
| 17:21.06 | gregj | for 24 days , budget was 408 quid for cheapest car , avis was around 800 quid |
| 17:21.13 | gregj | (ford ka, or vw polo) |
| 17:21.19 | gregj | to give you an example , so ... |
| 17:23.00 | gregj | do they require you to hold your license for over one year, and crap like that ? |
| 17:23.42 | wethrin | Sometimes. But that'll be in the T&Cs |
| 17:23.56 | gregj | sure |
| 17:24.14 | z00dax | National are ok too |
| 17:24.15 | gregj | cos I got my license since begin of current year, so.. |
| 17:24.30 | z00dax | I've only used them since they are local to me though :D but on most checks are much cheaper than hertz |
| 17:24.37 | z00dax | in this part of the country anywya |
| 17:24.40 | z00dax | anyway |
| 17:24.55 | gregj | well, not in NI |
| 17:27.39 | wethrin | You may be restricted to the tiny cars, though |
| 17:31.21 | gregj | that's ok, I don't need anything big anyway |
| 17:31.55 | z00dax | no Mustangs then |
| 17:42.27 | cpufreak | get a corvette |
| 17:55.59 | gregj | I was thinking about Bugatti maybe |
| 17:56.06 | gregj | gotta decide ;p |
| 18:01.56 | cpufreak | heh |
| 18:02.21 | cpufreak | insurance in norn iron is not cheap |
| 18:02.26 | cpufreak | used to live over there. |
| 18:29.20 | gregj | car insurance ? |
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| 19:37.43 | cpufreak | http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page16590 |
| 19:38.09 | zaarg | dominos++ |
| 19:38.40 | cpufreak | gregj: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=39f_vkViOpI |
| 19:40.59 | zaarg | (the pizza maker, not the game) |
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| 19:50.10 | gregj | yeah, I know that advert :) |
| 19:50.30 | gregj | I don't konw who that bloke is, but he must be some celebrity in UK, or whatever |
| 19:51.16 | gregj | and to think, that just a minute ago I was listeining to Music, heh. |
| 19:52.26 | gregj | heh, that guy, Michael Winner , his mother was Polish, and farther Russian. And he is Jewish, what a combination. |
| 19:52.49 | antiphase | Presumably he was born after the war |
| 19:53.19 | gregj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Winner |
| 19:53.35 | gregj | actually before |
| 19:53.40 | gregj | 2nd ww that is |
| 22:03.36 | zaarg | what a combination? |
| 23:11.29 | morsing | Beer |
| 23:11.37 | wethrin | No. Port. |
| 23:11.44 | wethrin | And whisky. |
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| 23:48.20 | morsing | Leeds! |
