IRC log for #gllug on 20080507

00:29.40z00daxhali: you'd never make it in the US
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00:53.17cpufreakhey
00:53.28ArmandHiya..
00:53.30cpufreakwonders how much he trusts himself...
00:53.36Armandlol
00:53.37cpufreakpatching filesystme code at 2:53am :/
00:53.41ArmandPut the pie down!
00:54.06cpufreakfucking linux kernel changed a whole load of shit in 2.6.24...
00:54.15cpufreakin the bio layer
00:54.21ArmandDunno.. I don't deal with code.
00:54.34ArmandI even hate HTML. :P
00:54.42cpufreakmy changes work..
00:55.35cpufreakbut I'm ot sure I trust myself to make changes on hte block i/o layer...
00:55.40cpufreak:)
00:56.06ArmandI have next to no idea what you're talking about..
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00:57.38ArmandLike.. i/o = input/output.. but I think "Input = point & shoot, output = enemy player dies"
00:57.45Armand:P
00:57.49cpufreakright, so a hard disk is a block device.
00:57.51cpufreakfor example
00:57.56Armandk
00:58.19cpufreakso if I'm making changes on the block i/o layer of the filesystem... there's quite a big risk that i could fuck the proverbial dog.
00:58.26cpufreakhence why I'm not sure if I trust myself :)
00:58.32ArmandAhhh... I see.
00:58.52ArmandYes, that has "fuckeries" potential all over it. :P
01:00.28Armandatm, I'm just wondering if I should put in my new HD and start up the Windows install..
01:02.24Armandthat and.. "Will I get to use the bench-grinder tomorrow?" ¬_¬
01:04.31Armandoh well, I guess I will start that install.
01:04.44ArmandMum wants me to unplug the router. >_<
01:07.27secretlondonfun thing to do early morning
01:07.43Armandyeah.. stupid house rules.
01:07.48Armandoh well, gnite all
01:07.56Armandhave fun with that, cpufreak.. :P
01:08.49secretlondonpossibly needs a 'Mum' to send her to bed at 2am
01:08.57secretlondonI'm a little old though
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02:35.30secretlondonisn't too impressed by compiz
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07:57.19Axelhowdy peeps
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08:24.41BlaptoHow the hell do you spell "identity"?
08:24.54ChoHagLike that.
08:25.07BlaptoYes, I know that now
08:25.53ChoHagWell ... OK then.
08:26.18BlaptoGentlemen, tit monday is upon us
08:26.22Blaptowethrin!  change the /topic
08:26.46yaargmorning
08:26.49Blaptoning
08:46.57gregjhttp://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38638
08:47.04gregjAND
08:47.05gregjhttp://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38639
08:48.02gregjhttp://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38645
08:48.23wethrinBlapto: Change it to what?
08:48.30BlaptoSomething in celebration of Tit Monday
08:48.39wethrinhuh?
08:48.52Blaptohttp://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/tit-monday-p1.php
08:49.43gregjhttp://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38649
08:49.49gregj(no, we're not gay)
08:55.20Blaptoclassy
09:23.30boudiccashow can it be 'tit monday' when its already wednesday?
09:25.25BlaptoThe day isn't important
09:26.08Blapto" It last fell on a Monday in 2004, when temperatures leapt to 22C on 24 April."
09:49.08bilarh_boudiccas: bah, women
09:49.30bilarh_boudiccas: tit monday is the first day of great summer oogling, simply put
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09:59.22gregjis there 'secure access client' (citrix vpn) client for linux or mac os x ?
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11:02.08BlaptoBloody internets
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12:25.42BlaptoMmm, lunch sitting in Leicester Square
12:27.09catalystmm, lunch consisting of red leicester sanwiches with are square
12:27.24Blaptowith are square?
12:28.51catalystwhich
12:28.59catalysthey, my parser is broken
12:31.13BlaptoTurn it off and on again
12:31.32catalystI'm not sure my brain would reboot if I turned it off
12:31.46catalystno great loss, you might argue XD
12:32.36BlaptoJust tell someone you're going to do a reboot, and could they please power cycle you if you're not responding to ping in 20 minutes time
12:32.49BlaptoYou've got to allow a bit of time in case the file system needs a fscking
12:32.58catalystah, I see
12:33.39yaargwell i had lunch sitting on a wall near liverpool st staiton :P
12:37.26halii had lunch sitting in the resturant the yard down from old street
12:37.33halihad a pizza with an egg on it
12:37.35halivery tasty
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14:46.54Blaptohttp://manbabies.com/ (SFW)
14:56.37cursonaahahah Blapto, that was fun
14:58.02BlaptoIt's aces
15:14.11catalysthehe
15:23.19ChoHagHow can you run a getty without init?
15:24.29antiphaseYou can't really do anything without some sort of init
15:25.02antiphaseYou could try running getty as init though
15:25.10ChoHagWell without having init do the process control. ie. from bash.
15:25.31antiphaseSounds a bit Irish to me
15:26.09ChoHagIt is - I just wanted to quickly see why it's segfaulting.
15:27.09antiphasegdb?
15:27.12antiphasestrace?
15:27.34ChoHagYeah that's what I'm doing.
15:27.59ChoHagIn only vaguely related news, why would a computers clock randomly flip back by an hour for a second or two?
15:28.40ChoHagAlso, non-serial consoles (and by inference, Dell) are teh suk.
15:29.17catalystChoHag: changes in the matrix
15:31.13wethrinSerial consoles FTW
15:34.17ChoHagHmm. How does one strace getty?
15:34.49wethrinif getty is segfaulting, something's rather seriously wrong
15:35.03ChoHagYes, and I plan to find out what.
15:35.31ChoHagUnfortunately that's all that segfaults.
15:38.05BlaptoChoHag: silly question, but is it a real machine or a vmware host?
15:38.14ChoHagReal.
15:39.23ChoHagIt's a Dell, hence the previous spew of venom.
15:40.55ChoHagIt's also a development live server.
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16:11.45wethrinDells are barely real machines
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17:34.48secretlondonhi
17:35.42wethrinhi
17:42.43BlaptoRight, off out
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22:00.28halihai
22:00.47haliso hm, who's gonna make a joke about cheeeseburgers?
22:02.25secretlondoncheeseburgers + added eee?
22:02.33secretlondonmay have missed the story
22:06.52halieee is cool
22:07.03haliwhy haven't i bought an eee 900 yet?
22:07.19halii think the short answer is, i don't actually need it
22:07.27halibut what does 'need' really mean
22:07.30halii 'want' it :)
22:08.07halibilarh_: you are missing a massive rant in #motala
22:08.51haliNafallo: sorry i didn't replay to you text earlier, i'm way busy :/
22:09.23Nafallohali: thought you was. no worries. but lets make it in the next two weeks ;-)
22:09.41haliyes
22:10.01halitbh, i was configuring our new exchange server, horrible task... i'd love to sneak out
22:11.36Copeyo hali
22:12.09AndyMillarexchange is fun :p
22:13.06halii'm doing fucking less and less unix by the day :(
22:13.41haliall im doing these days is microsoft isa server, exchange, microsoft bla and annoying networking edge stuff
22:13.56haliis ranting about fuck all
22:14.02AndyMillarexchange, fine
22:14.05AndyMillarthe rest is all bollocks
22:14.26halii spend more time configuring routers, our ASA firewalls and the 6500 and 4500 switches we have
22:14.38haliISA server is actually all right :S
22:14.43Copehali: M$ is the wau
22:14.44Copeway
22:14.57CopeAD is well designed
22:15.06Copelatests IIS is fast and featureful
22:15.15haliAD is ok
22:15.18secretlondonisn't listening to the heretic
22:15.20CopeSQL Server pisses all over Oracle
22:15.30AndyMillarhides behind secretlondon
22:15.35halii have to admit i switched my workstation to AD login instead of NIS the other day
22:15.40haliCope: fuck off! :)
22:15.41Copewisely so
22:15.41AndyMillarconsiders that this may be futile as he is quite big
22:15.48halisql server pwns oracle every day
22:15.53Nafallotakes hali to lunch to get the discussion over with :-P
22:15.59hali... in wonderland
22:16.06haliin reality, nothing pwns oracle
22:16.09Copehali: ok, that was a step to far :)
22:16.10halioracle is the mutts nutts
22:16.33halitbh, oracle is the one thing noone can pwn me in :)
22:16.47haliat least no one i've met *being uber cocky*
22:17.06Copei like oracle
22:17.13haliit's just so amazing
22:17.20haliit's a massive challange to learn
22:17.22halibut so much fun
22:17.45haliand so much work to optimize and to actually utilize what you pay for is quite difficult
22:17.53Copeit does rock
22:18.03Copei miss managing oracle instances
22:18.11Copeand I am getting out of date
22:18.47hali11g is a big upgrade
22:18.47Copebut y'know, in 2008 MS is shit hot
22:19.09Copethey're sharp, fast, secure, responsive, command-line driven
22:19.33halitell me about it, "powersheel ftw" :S
22:19.37halishell*
22:19.41Copeit really does
22:19.50haliexchange 2007 is very powershell driven
22:20.04Copeit's a good env
22:20.10haliit's not bad no
22:20.20CopeI still mix it with exim frontends
22:20.37Copebut for the first time ever I think it is enterprise ready
22:20.47halii kicket up our first windows server 2008 box the other day, it doesn't even run a gui!
22:20.53haliand hm
22:21.04Copeyeah
22:21.11Copewin2k8 is powershell or vista
22:21.15Copetake your pick
22:21.19haliwhile microsoft is loosing bigtime on the desktop side they are sort of gaining on the server side
22:21.30Copeanyone with a brain ignores vista front end
22:21.32halithey've switches camps
22:21.38Copecorrect
22:21.58haliand in a sense linux is actually doing the opposite
22:22.05haliwhile the desktop is cleaner and better
22:22.11halithe server side is more bloated and ugly
22:22.18Copelinux server is still 2003
22:22.21haliespecially if you look a suse implementation :)
22:22.27Copelol
22:22.40haliyast please can i have a cheeseburger
22:22.48haliyast with suger on top
22:22.51Copei was interesed to read about ipaserver
22:22.53AndyMillarhali: you still do need to prepend and append exchange with exim though
22:23.09haliworks fine, exchange's imap support is good :)
22:23.10Copenot that I see the point
22:23.38CopeAndyMillar: you do, for security and performance
22:24.31Copefwiw 27" dell monitor is above average
22:24.58AndyMillarbut I'd pick exchange as my end-point MTA of choice
22:25.18haliwe use exchange fronted by postfix
22:25.32CopeAndyMillar: agree
22:25.33halii'd kill myself if i didn't have postfix for the basics
22:25.44halicost no option obviously
22:25.51Copeexim kicks the arse off postfix[
22:25.56halino
22:25.59haliexim is pants
22:26.01AndyMillarCope: and I've spent about 2 years or so working on a hosted exchange platform :/
22:26.03Copefuck off
22:26.03halito much work
22:26.09AndyMillarok, can we not have the exim vs postfix debate
22:26.12AndyMillarthey both have merits
22:26.14halipostfix is more mature and keeps things imple
22:26.16haliyes
22:26.19halithey are both alright
22:26.36halibut postfix is less suid and just gets thing done :)
22:26.40AndyMillarI do have a system that goes <originserver> -> <exim>{,} -> <postfix> -> <internet>
22:26.53haliwe used to use exim
22:26.56CopeAndyMillar: I've managed old exchange environments... nasty
22:26.57AndyMillarexim is more powerful, postfix is easier and faster
22:27.09CopeI think exim is easier
22:27.13AndyMillarpick your MTA based on what you're used to and what you want to do
22:27.17Copethe docs are clear
22:27.19halii never really learnt it tbh, all my config is kicking things up in a number of mail routing loops
22:27.27AndyMillarCope: but the config file is a few thousand lines :)
22:27.30Copepostfix is cool too
22:27.34CopeAndyMillar: agree
22:27.36hali3-4 loops per special rule is not unheard of :)
22:27.38AndyMillarexim is a real pain in the arse until you *understand* it
22:27.47AndyMillarwheras postfix is quicker to pick up
22:27.59CopeWe  have the authoritative book by Philip
22:28.06AndyMillarthe red exim book?
22:28.13Copeyeah
22:28.15AndyMillarwell, red spine, white cover
22:28.18AndyMillarsame :)
22:28.30CopeKB has pinched it
22:28.30AndyMillarit's a good read
22:28.34Copeglares at z00dax
22:29.01AndyMillartbh, unless you're pushing high volumes of mail - the MTA you chose out of postfix or exim really doesn't matter
22:29.09CopeBut me and KB have migrated all our email servers to exim
22:29.16CopeAndyMillar: agree
22:29.41AndyMillarso pick whatever you feel most comfortable with... which for me is exim :)
22:29.46Copeyep
22:29.52haliyou weirdos
22:29.57AndyMillarhali: why?
22:29.59CopeI was sendmail born and bred
22:30.05halipostfix is nicer :)
22:30.06Copethen moved to exim
22:30.18Copepartly becaue it is the debian default
22:30.34AndyMillarhali: looking at my exim configs, i'd be inclined to agree with you ;)
22:30.40Copehe
22:30.45halimake
22:30.47halibreak
22:30.51AndyMillarbut I do end up doing a lot of odd stuff :)
22:33.26AndyMillarhali: can you leave one of your postfix boxes as an open relay for me please? ;)
22:33.42halimynetworks ftw
22:33.52AndyMillardamn :(
22:33.57AndyMillarpostfix is awesome for sending spam
22:34.00AndyMillarbeats exim hands down
22:34.07Copegrins
22:34.38AndyMillarmmh, new quad core xeon server arriving tomorrow
22:34.45AndyMillarlikes new toys
22:34.55Cope-Exeon
22:35.13haliwe just installed a few quad quad xeon boxes
22:35.18Cope-Exeon
22:35.19halipretty speedy
22:36.36Copeanyway i sleep
22:44.57AndyMillarnn Cope
22:45.08AndyMillarhali: i've got a cluster of them for email processing - they're shiny
22:58.34z00daxCope: only keeping it warm :D
23:03.21kinkomy cluster is warmer than yours :P
23:03.32z00daxthats not normally a good sign
23:03.56kinkomine use the OS than is forbidden
23:04.07z00daxcp/m ?
23:04.37secretlondonsounds like another good use of old hardware - heater. not sure how efficient though, you may be better at argos
23:05.04kinkowell ms cluster not so useful
23:05.38kinko4GB per server ECC
23:05.42kinko<< wins
23:06.58z00dax4gb per server is a big sad
23:07.02kinkowith 32bit most def
23:07.05z00daxsomeone is offloading a bunch of Sun V20Z's
23:07.25z00daxI wonder how much work it would take to plumb in a sata backpane into those
23:07.42kinkoask FN'Nafallo
23:07.55kinkohave two cluster he could try
23:08.23AndyMillarheh
23:09.27kinkoactually FN'Nafallo is on call tonight shouldnt try to nick highlight
23:10.02z00daxwho Nafallo ?
23:10.19z00daxshould we not try to hightlight Nafallo's nick ?
23:10.45kinkoit would be not a good idea to highlight FN'Nafallo
23:11.01kinkohe gets upset with nafallo something about case
23:12.06z00daxNafallO ?
23:12.20z00daxN4f4ll0 :D l33t!
23:12.53kinkobut he's using my pizza deal tomorrow so he'll be fine, FN'Nafallo has news when anyone cares to ask him
23:13.44secretlondonyeah he's very case sensitive
23:13.57kinkohe's stalking
23:14.04secretlondonkinko: re: the job?
23:14.23kinkohe's stalking
23:14.25kinkoi know
23:16.34kinkohe's in some kind of pm that i dont want part of, no pizza for naf if he's late :D
23:18.37kinkoif all can ask FN'Nafallo ask him about the job he has accepted could have a new topic - well addition
23:19.00secretlondonthe job he interviewed for at a linux distro?
23:19.40z00daxthere are linux distro's hiring ?
23:20.02kinkonot any of the quickest growing or anything
23:20.18Nafallois surprised about that as well
23:20.35z00daxNafallo: !
23:20.37kinkopoint is proved
23:20.47z00daxyou have been accused of running a MS cluster with only 4 gigs of ram
23:20.49kinkoyour .au girl can wait
23:20.49Nafallobut no, not at a linux distro.
23:21.23secretlondonNafallo, you didn't get the canonical job?
23:21.32Nafalloz00dax: kinko's cluster. I don't get involved in that stuff more then absolutely necessary, which means installs :-)
23:21.59Nafallosecretlondon: yea, but Canonical is not a Linux distro now, is it? :-)
23:22.09secretlondonwell, okay..
23:28.28secretlondonNafallo, so you didn't get it then?
23:29.35kinkohe touched the hardware
23:29.39kinkoguilty
23:30.13Nafallosecretlondon: I did :-)
23:30.31Nafallokinko: the hardware is not the software.
23:30.33Nafallo:-)
23:31.45kinkowould be hilarous if you had any of that in your next jovb
23:32.28Nafallokinko: of the hardware?
23:32.58kinkonlb
23:34.25Nafallonetherland's backbone?
23:35.27kinkofor sure
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