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| 06:16.49 | secretlondon | hi |
| 07:22.52 | hali | hi |
| 07:23.02 | hali | you are up early |
| 07:29.29 | secretlondon | yeah, kept myself up all day yesterday |
| 07:29.35 | secretlondon | crashed out at ~9pm |
| 07:39.32 | kinko | telehouse engineers are not fun, they have trouble detecting whether a machine is on |
| 07:40.58 | kinko | kvm says yes, term signal sent, says he's restarting it, he says he powered it on; at midnight, at 2am and at 3 :Z |
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| 08:17.11 | hali | kinko: remote management cards are well worth the spend :-) |
| 08:21.59 | bilarh_ | hey what's that big flood in the bible called? |
| 08:22.08 | bilarh_ | it's like that outside now |
| 08:23.33 | secretlondon | bilarh_, tooley street |
| 08:23.55 | secretlondon | although it's supposed to be drained and city hall is working again! |
| 08:24.08 | bilarh_ | secretlondon: tooley street features in the bible? |
| 08:24.24 | secretlondon | bilarh_, depends which edition |
| 08:24.26 | bilarh_ | secretlondon: are you talking about the east enders bible bbc xmas special |
| 08:24.27 | bilarh_ | |
| 08:24.35 | bilarh_ | :D |
| 08:24.43 | secretlondon | bilarh_, south eastenders |
| 08:25.58 | bilarh_ | i'm a south eastender myself, i think |
| 08:26.07 | bilarh_ | although, i might be past the end bit actually |
| 08:34.59 | secretlondon | gotta go out |
| 08:35.21 | bilarh_ | my tip is to wear a bikini |
| 08:35.23 | bilarh_ | or take a canoe |
| 08:41.51 | z00dax | moin |
| 09:07.42 | ChoHag | There is a 10 minute manual process to go through each morning because the other/old admin's contract didn't let him write scripts. |
| 09:08.14 | ChoHag | 10 minutes today when there was just one failure. |
| 09:13.46 | ChoHag | My email address is in the reply-to/from of spammers. |
| 09:20.59 | bilarh_ | i had that as well |
| 09:21.06 | bilarh_ | pain in the arse to get all the DSN's |
| 09:21.36 | bilarh_ | does anyone know if it's possible to use a "solo" cash card to buy a train ticket? |
| 09:21.45 | bilarh_ | natwest gave me a solo, not a switch |
| 09:22.08 | antiphase | It just means you're foreign and they don't trust you |
| 09:22.19 | antiphase | You can mostly use them everywhere you can use Switch these days |
| 09:22.28 | bilarh_ | ah ok |
| 09:22.31 | bilarh_ | except for abroad |
| 09:22.35 | bilarh_ | fcukers |
| 09:22.38 | antiphase | They used to be practically useless in the UK as well |
| 09:22.59 | bilarh_ | yeah i know, that's why i was worred |
| 09:23.01 | bilarh_ | worried |
| 09:23.12 | bilarh_ | oh well, i'll see how i get on with it, i can always ask for a switch card later i guess |
| 09:25.40 | will_ | how old are you? |
| 09:25.51 | will_ | you should get a maestro really |
| 09:25.55 | bilarh_ | how is that relevant? :) |
| 09:26.01 | bilarh_ | 28 :) |
| 09:26.02 | will_ | I had a solo when I was like 16 :o) |
| 09:26.12 | antiphase | Same here |
| 09:26.13 | bilarh_ | that's what i mean, it's embarassing |
| 09:26.24 | will_ | then got upgraded when I stopped my paper round |
| 09:26.25 | will_ | ha |
| 09:26.26 | bilarh_ | people will think i've been declared bankrupt or something and can't get a different account |
| 09:26.41 | antiphase | use cash then, if you can draw out more than 50 quid a day :D |
| 09:27.27 | bilarh_ | i'll have to ask my minder for more pocket money |
| 09:30.33 | antiphase | If you get paid a reasonable amount into the account they ought to upgrade it, possibly with the use of judicious threats of taking your business elsewhere to another bank that issues sane cards |
| 09:30.46 | bilarh_ | yeah i've just moved to them |
| 09:31.02 | bilarh_ | so i just got paid my first wage into it today |
| 09:31.42 | ChoHag | Being married seems to have increased the number of attractive women around me. |
| 09:32.00 | bilarh_ | chohag: i know the phenomena well |
| 09:32.10 | ChoHag | bilarh_: The solo is their 'who the hell are you' card. |
| 09:32.18 | ChoHag | I got a switch after a while without even asking., |
| 09:32.21 | bilarh_ | speaking of which, i'll have to start working later i think |
| 09:32.38 | bilarh_ | the trains are full of totty at around 8 :D |
| 09:32.44 | ChoHag | I don't think I like NW though. They haven't signed up for this fast transfers scheme. |
| 09:32.47 | bilarh_ | chohag: cool, i'll just hang in tight for a while :) |
| 09:33.14 | ChoHag | The printer is next to me and a fantastic backside stood there for about 5 minutes. |
| 09:33.34 | ChoHag | It was nicely disconcerting. |
| 09:33.58 | bilarh_ | yaeh, but the blood re-allocation gives me a head rush |
| 09:36.11 | ChoHag | http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/LSMOL is my exchange. In order to go south are the cables likely to run down the road to the bridge or across the river? |
| 09:38.44 | antiphase | One would strongly suspect that they'd use the road |
| 09:39.00 | ChoHag | Excellent. I'm now closer to the exchange. |
| 09:39.07 | ChoHag | Despite being further away from it. |
| 09:39.13 | antiphase | I can't imagine BT getting on too well with underwater cables |
| 09:41.09 | yaarg | why is holborn pronounced hoburn? how confusing. |
| 09:41.41 | bilarh_ | why is leicester pronounced lester? |
| 09:41.49 | yaarg | true too. |
| 09:42.19 | antiphase | It's so you can implicitly distrust anyone that can't pronounce common names |
| 09:42.20 | bilarh_ | and houston street in new york "hauston" |
| 09:42.52 | bilarh_ | chiswick - chissic |
| 09:42.58 | bilarh_ | etc etc |
| 09:43.05 | bilarh_ | english is a fucked up language |
| 09:43.23 | ChoHag | I think the technical term is 'raped'. |
| 09:44.24 | ChoHag | Is there any practical difference between UKFSN's home and business ADSL lines? |
| 09:44.37 | ChoHag | Except that business lines cost more and advertised prices exclude VAT. |
| 09:45.09 | will_ | does anyone know why remote ssh access to a box would time out but the connection stays active? |
| 09:45.11 | yaarg | get an aussie to say covent garden |
| 09:45.12 | will_ | *a |
| 09:45.14 | yaarg | it's awesome |
| 09:45.46 | will_ | its behind a iptables firewall box so would it be set on that? |
| 09:45.51 | antiphase | Depends what you mean by time out |
| 09:45.55 | will_ | freezes |
| 09:46.23 | yaarg | if you don't type anything for a while? |
| 09:46.28 | antiphase | And after how long? |
| 09:46.28 | ChoHag | firewall tears down the connection without informing either end? |
| 09:46.34 | yaarg | or any activity etc? |
| 09:47.40 | antiphase | You shouldn't have any problems with iptables if your inactivity is less than a week in duration, there's a 7 day timer in there somewhere assuming you don't use keepalives |
| 09:48.14 | antiphase | assumes outbound NAT |
| 09:48.16 | will_ | its after like 5 minutes :o( |
| 09:48.34 | will_ | and it is if I leave it idle and don't type |
| 09:49.14 | will_ | if I connect from a different terminal and do a who it still appears to be logged in fine |
| 09:49.28 | will_ | its quite bizarre |
| 09:50.09 | antiphase | Difficult to say without knowing more |
| 09:50.15 | antiphase | praces bet on overconfiguration |
| 09:50.37 | yaarg | isn't it just a matter of tweaking your ssh_config on the server? |
| 09:50.48 | will_ | Yeah I didn't configure it so I wouldn't be surprised |
| 09:51.05 | will_ | I have had a quick look and I couldn't see anything |
| 09:51.35 | antiphase | That's probably OK then. Overconfiguration is my term for overenthusiastic people that insist on defining all the options available in the config file, thus breaking it totally |
| 09:52.03 | antiphase | Very common with n00bs, so you get the "not n00b of the day award" from me |
| 09:52.11 | will_ | knows exactly what antiphase means |
| 09:52.28 | antiphase | I'd get busy with tcpdump if I were you |
| 09:52.39 | will_ | very happily accepts the award :o) |
| 09:52.42 | ChoHag | Our mailservers do that. |
| 09:53.01 | ChoHag | No, not mail servers. Web servers that send mail to mail servers. |
| 09:54.30 | antiphase | taps foot while waiting for do-release-upgrade |
| 09:54.46 | yaarg | wouldn't keepalive yes and clientaliveinterval 300 to ssh_config do it? |
| 09:55.39 | antiphase | itym sshd_config |
| 09:57.51 | yaarg | yes |
| 09:58.26 | will_ | is reading the ssh_config man page |
| 10:02.27 | yaarg | you can do it from the client too preusmably |
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| 10:02.45 | yaarg | serveraliveinterval maybe |
| 10:03.24 | ChoHag | Groan. |
| 10:03.29 | ChoHag | Day 3. First meeting. |
| 10:04.53 | will_ | in the big brother house |
| 10:08.42 | yaarg | heh |
| 10:14.26 | yaarg | ffs, we're having a chilli cookoff tomorrow and i completely forgot. |
| 10:14.36 | yaarg | anyone know a good chilli takeaway?-D |
| 10:16.33 | z00dax | what kinda chilli ? |
| 10:18.24 | yaarg | any |
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| 10:32.39 | dick_turpin | Can anyone get on http://sourceforge.net ? |
| 10:33.29 | will_ | appears to be down! |
| 10:34.34 | dick_turpin | Its been running like a dog for a few weeks now, thanks I thought it was my end |
| 10:46.33 | antiphase | All the sf.net stuff appears to be wanked out today |
| 10:54.27 | ChoHag | Indian down the road from me makes a fantastic chicken chilli masala. |
| 10:54.45 | andy__ | morning |
| 11:03.41 | yaarg | ah |
| 11:03.52 | yaarg | well not that kind of chilli |
| 11:04.10 | yaarg | chilli con carne |
| 11:05.21 | ChoHag | Oh. |
| 11:27.35 | z00dax | dick_turpin: most of sourceware inc looks to be down |
| 11:28.21 | z00dax | including /. freshmeat sf.net etc |
| 11:28.37 | z00dax | linux.com seems to be their only site still up |
| 11:29.09 | will_ | seems amazing there all down would of thought they would of had a better setup than that! |
| 11:29.52 | z00dax | they do have quite a wide setup, i am surprised its all down at the moment |
| 11:39.27 | dick_turpin | I wonder if they have, well, reached their limit? |
| 11:56.07 | hali | hm, power outage in bluesq |
| 12:00.42 | ChoHag | Stupid bloody proxy. |
| 12:00.49 | ChoHag | Making me take steps to get around its uselessness. |
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| 13:13.20 | ChoHag | Helldesk have, as near as I can tell, spent the day setting up my laptop with a Windows installation I will immediately rip out. |
| 13:14.30 | will_ | why didn't you tell them prior to the installation that you are quite capable of doing it yourself |
| 13:15.10 | ChoHag | They didn't ask. |
| 13:15.18 | will_ | or are you planning to install a cracked version of Vista :x |
| 13:15.23 | ChoHag | In fact - I didn't ask them for the laptop. I had to ask my manager. |
| 13:15.28 | will_ | jokes |
| 13:15.38 | ChoHag | I intend to install Debian on it. |
| 13:15.55 | will_ | wise choice |
| 13:16.03 | ChoHag | The desktop can remain cursed with Windows. |
| 13:17.15 | ChoHag | They're very corporate here. |
| 13:17.20 | ChoHag | I don't know how long I'll last. |
| 13:17.55 | will_ | are you a developer there? |
| 13:18.01 | ChoHag | Admin. |
| 13:18.11 | ChoHag | This script is horrible. |
| 13:18.22 | ChoHag | It uses perl to construct a system command. |
| 13:19.28 | will_ | ahh excellent |
| 13:19.32 | will_ | long term admin? |
| 13:19.58 | ChoHag | The command is 'echo ...; rsync ...; echo ...', where ... contains lots of !!something!!'s to replace. |
| 13:20.13 | ChoHag | The replacement is done using an ugly and very perlish trick. |
| 13:20.28 | ChoHag | It's then run with 'system ("$cmd")' |
| 13:20.43 | ChoHag | 3rd day. |
| 13:21.02 | will_ | I presume you have had prior experience though? |
| 13:21.14 | ChoHag | We will see how long that is extended to when I am in a position to start suggesting and/or making changes. |
| 13:21.17 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 13:22.10 | will_ | :) |
| 13:25.27 | ChoHag | I strongly suspect this position will be used purely to add oracle to my CV and find somewhere better paid. |
| 13:28.38 | will_ | well you might aswell |
| 13:29.23 | will_ | are you a linux sysadmin as such or do you posess a broader range of skills ;) |
| 13:36.17 | ChoHag | Primarily linux. |
| 13:37.20 | ChoHag | Oh nice. Our server is running KDM. |
| 13:37.48 | will_ | KDM? |
| 13:37.57 | ChoHag | KDE Display Manager. |
| 13:38.15 | will_ | ah ok |
| 13:38.41 | will_ | not a fan? |
| 13:40.18 | ChoHag | I'm never a fan of X on a server, unless that's the server's purpose. |
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| 13:50.17 | morsing | popey: Where's wethrin? |
| 13:51.54 | popey | uhm |
| 13:51.58 | popey | should I know? :) |
| 13:52.23 | morsing | Ankur is singing again |
| 14:10.42 | morsing | trousers: Why did dick_turpin leave? |
| 14:13.22 | ChoHag | Interesting. |
| 14:13.25 | morsing | Ankur is singing again |
| 14:13.26 | ChoHag | /tmp is 67GB |
| 14:13.39 | morsing | So, erm... Extremely far too big... |
| 14:13.53 | morsing | Or do you mean 67MB? |
| 14:14.07 | ChoHag | lon-util01:~/bin # du -hs /tmp/ |
| 14:14.07 | ChoHag | 67G /tmp/ |
| 14:14.16 | morsing | Re-install |
| 14:15.44 | ChoHag | Oh? |
| 14:15.50 | ChoHag | Is this GLWUG? |
| 14:16.31 | ElPenguin | or GLMUG |
| 14:32.15 | ChoHag | Yay! Passwords to a server storing bacs details sent over corporate email! |
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| 15:28.24 | dick_turpin | anyone up for holding my hand with svn ? |
| 15:29.16 | ChoHag | apt-get --purge install subversion- git |
| 15:30.25 | dick_turpin | na got it installed I want to pull the files from /trunk and overwrite the installed ones |
| 15:30.27 | Armand | I might be convinced to hold your hand.. but I don't know shit about svn. :P |
| 15:30.59 | dick_turpin | I know shit about svn too |
| 15:32.37 | Armand | I know very little about much in general.. so I'm the last person to listen to about anything. ^_^ |
| 15:34.46 | ChoHag | I think the man(1) is your friend. |
| 15:35.17 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: Oh yeah, it says "Try svn help" |
| 15:35.55 | Armand | ChoHag: A what now.. ?? :P |
| 15:36.34 | ChoHag | Armand: man page. |
| 15:37.01 | ChoHag | Why do keyboard manufacturers make the holes under f and j different shapes from all the other keys? |
| 15:37.02 | dick_turpin | Armand: Thats as maybe but bilarh_ will pleased to learn there is someone who will hold men's hands :-D |
| 15:37.13 | Armand | lol |
| 15:37.28 | Armand | just as long as he doesn't expect me to put a hand in his pocket.. |
| 15:38.10 | dick_turpin | Armand: Its where he keeps the boiled sweets at least that's what he told me but I couldn't find them |
| 15:38.25 | Armand | "werther's original" ? |
| 15:38.28 | Armand | :P |
| 15:38.46 | dick_turpin | stewed walnuts more like |
| 15:38.59 | Armand | @_@ |
| 15:39.43 | dick_turpin | svn cp looked good but I cant sense any changes |
| 15:40.45 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Oh God and Lord of all things Linux hear my prayer |
| 15:43.08 | dick_turpin | heads off to seek help elsewhere |
| 15:48.17 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:50.02 | Armand | yes please.. :) |
| 16:04.41 | Dj_InstincT | did I miss a round?!? |
| 17:21.08 | morsing | Cawfy |
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| 17:29.48 | morsing | secretlondon! |
| 17:29.58 | secretlondon | morsing! |
| 17:37.00 | Armand | >_< |
| 17:37.21 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:40.37 | secretlondon | rain |
| 17:45.39 | Nafallo | I'm disappointed at the rain. |
| 17:46.05 | Nafallo | it's just not good enough. seems it has trouble deciding if it wants to rain or not... |
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| 18:14.06 | wethrin | Hello |
| 18:14.33 | Armand | Herro! |
| 18:18.02 | secretlondon | hi |
| 18:20.25 | Armand | Hows things with you all? |
| 18:52.58 | morsing | Cheese |
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| 19:01.11 | Armand | Onion |
| 19:05.46 | morsing | rcameron! |
| 19:06.00 | rcameron | That's me. |
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| 20:44.02 | morsing | rcameron_! |
| 20:44.09 | morsing | etorix! |
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| 20:47.03 | gw280 | wethrin: POKER |
| 20:47.41 | wethrin | gw280: In the rear; liquor in the front |
| 20:48.02 | gw280 | POKER |
| 20:48.13 | morsing | gw280! |
| 20:48.46 | wethrin | gw280: I was in Tabland today |
| 20:48.51 | wethrin | Well, the outskirts of Tabland |
| 20:48.56 | gw280 | why? |
| 20:49.00 | gw280 | why did you not say hello to me? |
| 20:49.01 | gw280 | WY |
| 20:49.05 | gw280 | WHY |
| 20:49.09 | wethrin | Because I was at a meeting |
| 20:49.20 | gw280 | loser |
| 20:49.34 | wethrin | Get a job! |
| 20:49.48 | gw280 | ...# |
| 20:49.55 | gw280 | cow |
| 20:49.59 | wethrin | Moo |
| 20:50.00 | boudiccas | i see that george hasn't lost all of his people skills |
| 20:50.10 | gw280 | FUCK YOU |
| 20:50.36 | boudiccas | you're not my type darling |
| 20:51.05 | gw280 | ... |
| 20:51.09 | gw280 | and neither are you |
| 20:51.22 | clive-h | wtf? |
| 20:51.44 | gw280 | let's all gang up on clive-h |
| 20:51.55 | boudiccas | gw280; are you going to be involved in SofC again this year?? |
| 20:52.08 | gw280 | I'm a mentor. |
| 20:52.28 | boudiccas | is that an upward progress from last year? |
| 20:52.41 | gw280 | last year I was a "mentor" |
| 20:52.58 | boudiccas | were you? i thought you were working on freenx |
| 20:53.10 | boudiccas | my! how time flies |
| 20:53.18 | wethrin | gw280: Is the GSoC thing you're involved with an NX project? |
| 20:53.34 | gw280 | yes |
| 20:53.43 | wethrin | Doing what? |
| 20:54.13 | gw280 | NX |
| 20:54.40 | boudiccas | elucidate gw |
| 20:54.58 | boudiccas | elaborate, be more forth coming gw280 |
| 20:55.28 | gw280 | no |
| 20:55.31 | gw280 | beats boudiccas |
| 20:55.44 | boudiccas | slaps gw280 |
| 20:55.51 | gw280 | kills boudiccas |
| 20:55.52 | gw280 | I WIN. |
| 20:56.04 | boudiccas | slpas gw280 twice as hard |
| 20:56.09 | boudiccas | *slaps |
| 20:56.34 | wethrin | ZOMBIESLAP |
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| 22:37.14 | secretlondon | night |
| 22:38.37 | hali | yo |
| 22:40.24 | gw280 | DIE WETHRIN |
| 22:40.30 | gw280 | jumps on wethrin and battleaxes him to death |
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| 23:33.58 | gw280 | CATALYST |
| 23:35.15 | catalyst | ohai |
| 23:35.20 | gw280 | hi |
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| 23:48.41 | z00dax | foo! |
| 23:48.57 | z00dax | gw280: sausages! |
| 23:49.12 | catalyst | gw280: you haven't viciously attacked me yet |
| 23:49.17 | catalyst | does this mean we're dating? |
| 23:49.30 | z00dax | catalyst: scary thought |
| 23:49.40 | z00dax | *anyone* dating gw280 is a scary thought |
| 23:49.55 | catalyst | *me* dating anyone is a scary thought, may as well combine the effect :) |
| 23:49.55 | z00dax | also, catalyst hi |
| 23:50.01 | catalyst | ohayou |
| 23:50.18 | z00dax | awrite |
| 23:57.59 | gw280 | catalyst: no |
| 23:58.02 | gw280 | z00dax: sod off |
| 23:58.59 | z00dax | :D |
| 23:59.21 | gw280 | I don't do "dates" |