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| 05:17.15 | secretlondon | hi |
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| 06:54.05 | secretlondon | morning leeds |
| 06:58.56 | LeedsHK | afternoon :-) |
| 06:59.02 | LeedsHK | 8am in the UK, right? |
| 07:08.10 | bilarh | leeds: yep |
| 07:34.50 | LeedsHK | then I should call my sister :-) |
| 07:35.09 | bilarh | i'll call her for you, what's her number? |
| 07:38.48 | LeedsHK | I'm not sure I've got it, actually |
| 07:39.19 | bilarh | is it her birthday? |
| 07:39.24 | bilarh | that's the only day i call my brother |
| 07:39.37 | LeedsHK | the one I've got isn't answering - but since it's in my phone alongside her number at university, and she graduated 4 years ago... it might be wrong |
| 07:39.41 | LeedsHK | not her birthday, no |
| 07:40.50 | LeedsHK | nobody is answering... |
| 07:42.38 | LeedsHK | argh |
| 07:42.52 | bilarh | email? |
| 07:43.38 | LeedsHK | too async |
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| 12:28.34 | bilarh | jeez, massive thunderstorm here |
| 12:28.37 | bilarh | loads of rain |
| 12:28.48 | bilarh | omg, three horse riders |
| 12:28.53 | wethrin | Sun here |
| 12:29.00 | sabinef72 | good morning all |
| 12:29.46 | hali | ack, Sun here |
| 12:29.49 | hali | morning sabinef72 |
| 12:30.32 | bilarh | i only have sun in the server room :( |
| 12:30.39 | bilarh | oh actually, now it's stopped |
| 12:31.13 | bilarh | sabinef72: i'll stretch to morning |
| 12:32.23 | sabinef72 | bilarh: that's because I'm french |
| 12:34.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You upset Odin again? |
| 12:35.03 | wethrin | Thor, innit? |
| 12:35.14 | wethrin | He's waving his hammer of doom |
| 12:35.35 | bilarh | thor's my boss, incidentally |
| 12:35.44 | bilarh | and he's norwegian |
| 12:35.49 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I think bilarh version is Odin. Odin and Thor are one and the same I think? |
| 12:35.55 | wethrin | No |
| 12:35.56 | bilarh | dick_turpin: not so |
| 12:36.09 | bilarh | odin is the head of valhal |
| 12:36.20 | bilarh | thor is the god of thunder |
| 12:36.27 | bilarh | and the war god |
| 12:36.38 | bilarh | odin is the one-eyed one |
| 12:36.46 | dick_turpin | Well bugger me sideways! you learn something every day |
| 12:37.56 | bilarh | is bugger and roger the same thing? |
| 12:38.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: It is in your case :-P |
| 12:38.40 | bilarh | it is, though, isn't it |
| 12:38.42 | bilarh | in slang terms |
| 12:39.36 | wethrin | http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2809172.html?menu=news.quirkies |
| 12:39.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I suppose you could stretch it to that, either way it means "A good rogering" |
| 12:40.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I believe the term comes from Roger = todger and a todger is for.... |
| 12:40.59 | bilarh | roger? :D |
| 12:48.11 | antiphase | Buggering would suggest that Marmite was being mined |
| 12:50.40 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I like Marmite :-) |
| 12:50.51 | bilarh | you like mining for it too |
| 12:51.01 | bilarh | i like minge pie myself |
| 12:53.40 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I was gonna sink to your level but I refuse |
| 12:55.15 | bilarh | don't lie, i swam the depths of depriety and i met you when you were on your way back up. |
| 12:56.00 | hali | whine, colt are so annoying! |
| 12:57.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You know your brother..... |
| 12:59.58 | bilarh | i am, truly, the best programmer who ever walked the earth |
| 13:00.32 | bilarh | i want a programming job again i think |
| 13:00.39 | bilarh | but one where i'd be writing system tools |
| 13:01.10 | bilarh | does anyone still use hobbit or big brother btw? |
| 13:01.17 | bilarh | i'm being forced to write scripts for it |
| 13:01.27 | antiphase | What are they? |
| 13:01.30 | antiphase | cba to google |
| 13:01.40 | bilarh | big brother? |
| 13:01.42 | wethrin | Big Brother is a network monitoring tool, innit? |
| 13:01.46 | bilarh | it's a shit monitoring system |
| 13:01.50 | bilarh | hobbit is the open source clone |
| 13:02.11 | bilarh | it's written by a henrik, though, so i let it off |
| 13:02.46 | antiphase | Throw the old shit away and use Opsview |
| 13:02.53 | bilarh | opsview is good |
| 13:02.56 | bilarh | i used to use it |
| 13:02.59 | wethrin | throwing old shit out++ |
| 13:03.10 | wethrin | well |
| 13:03.14 | wethrin | sometimes |
| 13:03.21 | bilarh | opsview is quite expensive, though, isn't it? |
| 13:04.06 | antiphase | If you consider 0 pounds and zero pence to be excessive, yes it is |
| 13:04.41 | wethrin | If your time is worthless, etc. |
| 13:05.42 | antiphase | sneers at the TCO detractors |
| 13:05.53 | bilarh | this is great: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=141054&in_page_id=34 |
| 13:06.10 | bilarh | antiphase: i thought opsview was proprietary? |
| 13:06.33 | bilarh | or maybe it was just us who bought consultancy time from them or something |
| 13:06.53 | antiphase | Since when has "speak a bit clearer" been acceptable English? |
| 13:06.58 | antiphase | Two-bit hacks indeed |
| 13:08.20 | z00dax | so anyone know if a PCI graphics card will work in a SunBlade1000 ? |
| 13:08.33 | z00dax | or, does anyone know where I might get a 13w3 -> vga convertor ? |
| 13:08.47 | z00dax | I've tried the ebay route, and thats not gone too well, i always get snipped at the last minute |
| 13:08.48 | wethrin | Not handily, I have one at (parents) home |
| 13:09.25 | wethrin | assumes your monitor doesn't have BNC inputs? |
| 13:09.49 | z00dax | nope |
| 13:09.59 | z00dax | i have vga and dvi |
| 13:10.08 | wethrin | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Sun-13W3-M-VGA-SVGA-F-Monitor-Adapter-UK-SELLER_W0QQitemZ140223648389QQihZ004QQcategoryZ41999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:10.16 | wethrin | Buy it now |
| 13:10.32 | z00dax | 5:50 for postage sounds a bit excessive doesnt it ? |
| 13:10.38 | wethrin | Yes, it does |
| 13:10.47 | wethrin | Unless he sends it recorded |
| 13:11.01 | wethrin | But £7 for an adapter, in total, isn't too bad, if you need it quickly |
| 13:11.09 | z00dax | I guess he is trying to underprice the other guys selling this for £4 and shipping at £1.50 |
| 13:11.14 | z00dax | true |
| 13:11.18 | z00dax | does buyit now |
| 13:11.48 | bilarh | postage cost aren't subject to ebay final value fees ;) |
| 13:12.21 | wethrin | I had an ebay seller actually refund me some postage fees |
| 13:12.33 | bilarh | was it me? :D |
| 13:12.39 | wethrin | She charged £10, it turned out to be £6.50, and so she gave me £3.50 back |
| 13:12.45 | bilarh | ok it wasn' tme |
| 13:13.31 | secretlondon | ebay always involves excessive postage as the fees are a % of the sale price not including postage |
| 13:15.35 | z00dax | a Mr. SMJ Islam, how has £6.49 of mine. |
| 13:17.26 | z00dax | well, its going to all be paypal soon :D |
| 13:17.39 | z00dax | not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing |
| 13:18.32 | antiphase | Better than Mr. QZ Diablo |
| 13:21.19 | dick_turpin | antiphase: What's the difference between opsview and Nagios? and or Cactus? |
| 13:24.30 | antiphase | itym Cacti |
| 13:25.32 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Oops! yes cacti |
| 13:25.34 | antiphase | I gather that Opsview is based on Nagios, but its interface is less shit |
| 13:25.49 | antiphase | Cacti is written in PHP so you shouldn't encourage it by using it |
| 13:26.51 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Is that because PHP is easy to hack or something? |
| 13:30.15 | antiphase | PHP has destroyed the Internets by enabling people who should be cleaners to make websites |
| 13:30.39 | antiphase | For that reason alone it ought to be banned |
| 13:31.52 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Oh dear I should really be a cleaner then? But seriously from a UI point of view they all look the same |
| 13:32.44 | antiphase | I'd recommend reading about how each of them implement monitoring if you seriously want a monitoring solution, because they are all different and one may suit what you want to do |
| 13:33.08 | antiphase | IF you just want something quick and easy to see if machines and services are up, you might as well use Cacti |
| 13:33.47 | antiphase | If you want something hardcore that you can do weird stuff with and extend, you'd probably want a Nagios derivative but naturally the barrier to entry is higher and it might not be worth your effort if you don't need it |
| 13:33.49 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I'm not in a position to implement, was just interested and you appeared to know your onions |
| 13:34.08 | antiphase | I know that there are red and white ones, and red ones go better in sandwiches |
| 13:35.06 | wethrin | Don't forget spring onions |
| 13:35.09 | antiphase | Spring onions, on the other hand, are a different kettle of trout a la creme |
| 13:35.32 | wethrin | FISH! |
| 13:37.21 | dick_turpin | just shakes his head and gives up showing an interest |
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| 14:14.42 | Discordian | Good afternoon |
| 14:18.38 | secretlondon | hi |
| 14:30.07 | Discordian | Gah there's no sash anymore in Fedora |
| 14:38.06 | antiphase | Faildora |
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| 16:14.00 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: ping? |
| 16:15.25 | z00dax | ok |
| 16:16.52 | Leeds | z00dax: ? |
| 16:17.54 | z00dax | I gave in :( |
| 16:17.58 | z00dax | just signed up for twitter |
| 16:18.14 | z00dax | death by social networking online it shall be |
| 16:18.23 | Leeds | heh |
| 16:19.48 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: ping |
| 16:19.59 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: I haven't read it, but... http://www.cherryav.com/articles/technology/30-The-Googlenairs.html |
| 16:20.05 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: cheers for the tip off yesterday, most helpful |
| 16:20.13 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: thanks, will read :D |
| 16:21.22 | secretlondon | i'm on twitter |
| 16:21.32 | secretlondon | it's quite addictive |
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| 17:02.22 | Leeds | do people use twitter over sms? |
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| 17:03.47 | Discordian | i've avoided twitter |
| 17:04.02 | Leeds | so have I |
| 17:04.30 | Discordian | facebook is bad enough |
| 17:05.26 | secretlondon | I use over sms (put only to post) and over the web |
| 17:05.29 | secretlondon | I hate facebook |
| 17:11.23 | Leeds | hmm... they have a US short SMS code, and a UK full number |
| 17:58.05 | ChoHag | has 17 hours remaining. |
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| 18:32.02 | ChoHag | Wtf? |
| 18:32.13 | boudiccas | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/11/cab_innit/ |
| 18:32.15 | ChoHag | eog print lets me scale my (already A4) image from 1 to 74%. |
| 18:32.23 | ChoHag | Scale it to 100 bloody percent damn you! |
| 18:32.44 | ChoHag | What else can print svg? |
| 18:32.52 | secretlondon | boudiccas, it's an obvious pr stunt |
| 18:33.00 | secretlondon | inkscape? |
| 18:33.21 | ChoHag | That's what I made it in, but it can't cope with transparency in PNGs. |
| 18:33.43 | secretlondon | a web browser? |
| 18:34.05 | boudiccas | secretlondon; on whose behalf? |
| 18:34.10 | Discordian | Inkscape is a linux DTP app |
| 18:34.24 | secretlondon | Discordian, no its a vector graphics editor |
| 18:34.46 | secretlondon | boudiccas, on behalf of the company which occurs several times in the story |
| 18:35.27 | secretlondon | if nothing else the banks generally don't give out credit cards that readily |
| 18:35.31 | Discordian | oh well i get confused |
| 18:35.42 | secretlondon | scribus is the dtp one |
| 18:36.40 | Discordian | ahh yes scribus |
| 18:37.12 | Discordian | sits corrected |
| 18:43.21 | ChoHag | Dammit. |
| 18:43.49 | ChoHag | Out of scribus, inkscape and eog, eog handles the transparency but only scribus and inkscape will print it at the actual size. |
| 18:44.23 | secretlondon | ffs |
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| 20:36.08 | secretlondon | night |
| 20:36.18 | boudiccas | nn |
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| 22:56.26 | Discordian | Hi again |