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| 01:15.40 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 01:15.46 | morsing | Leeds: Are you naked? |
| 01:30.33 | Leeds | no |
| 01:30.41 | Leeds | I am wearing pants |
| 01:40.20 | cpufreak | 1) collect underpants |
| 01:40.21 | cpufreak | 2) .. |
| 01:40.23 | cpufreak | 3) profit |
| 01:42.37 | Leeds | indeed |
| 01:42.59 | Leeds | but to be honest, I don't recommend trying to collect my underpants |
| 01:44.12 | Leeds | unless there's a *lot* of profit involved |
| 01:47.00 | morsing | Beer |
| 02:53.48 | Leeds | spring cleaning |
| 07:50.55 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:55.19 | morsing | Leeds: Why did kinko leave? |
| 09:00.24 | ChoHag | Bastard! |
| 09:00.35 | ChoHag | Out of a pile of (my) sausages, dad nicked two of the three good ones. |
| 09:15.13 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:30.16 | ChoHag | No, not really. |
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| 11:11.52 | ChoHag | "See the <gdk/gdkkeysyms.h> header file for a complete list of GDK key codes." |
| 11:11.57 | ChoHag | What? Because listing them in the *API reference* is too hard? |
| 11:13.49 | antiphase | I wouldn't have thought key name mapping was an API issue |
| 11:14.01 | ChoHag | I don't care what they're mapped to. |
| 11:14.20 | ChoHag | Listing which keys the API supports IS an API issue. |
| 11:14.33 | antiphase | But they're just numbers |
| 11:14.49 | ChoHag | No? |
| 11:14.50 | antiphase | gdkkeysyms is a bunch of #defines |
| 11:14.50 | ChoHag | Are they? |
| 11:17.37 | morsing | PIE |
| 11:17.40 | ChoHag | Well I don't care that GDK_Escape is 0xff1b. I care that it's the escape key. |
| 11:18.22 | ChoHag | It would also be nice to know what GDK_L* and GDX_R* are, other than a 4-digit hex number beginning ff |
| 11:19.18 | ChoHag | And why do we have GDK_sterling, GDK_yen and GDK_currency? What's GDK_currency? $? Something else? IS there a GDK_dollar? |
| 11:19.23 | ChoHag | This is what an API reference is for. |
| 11:20.08 | antiphase | This is what understanding locales is for |
| 11:20.18 | antiphase | X also has a currency symbol mapping |
| 11:20.49 | ChoHag | Am I missing something? |
| 11:20.57 | antiphase | L and R are usually Left and Right as well |
| 11:20.59 | ChoHag | I'm saying the documentation should document. What are you saying? |
| 11:21.15 | ChoHag | I should know this stuff by osmosis? |
| 11:21.28 | antiphase | I'm saying that the GDK documentation is not the end of the story, because it runs on top of a windowing system which also has documentation |
| 11:22.09 | ChoHag | Then why does it refer you to gdkkeysyms, and not X11's equivalent? |
| 11:22.49 | antiphase | Because to understand gdkkeysyms it is also useful to see why it's like that, which requires other knowledge. GDK is not like PHP :) |
| 11:23.04 | antiphase | GDK is a brainfuck |
| 11:23.12 | ChoHag | What's that got to do with anything? |
| 11:26.28 | antiphase | Look, I don't know if you've ever learned any new complicated systems before, but you can't expect to be able to just look at API documentation and suddenly be a ninja. Moaning on IRC will just make your lack of patience plain to more people than maybe you should. Go and find someone else's source code and look at it if there is insufficient detail in the documentation. Then once you understand, go and improve the documentation. What do you expect for |
| 11:27.10 | ChoHag | Ah yes, that irrefutable of Free Software arguments. |
| 11:27.19 | ChoHag | If you don't like it, go fix it. What do you expect for free. |
| 11:27.27 | ChoHag | s/\.$/?/ |
| 11:27.38 | antiphase | It's infuriating, but sadly true |
| 11:28.09 | ChoHag | I mean why discuss the issue? |
| 11:28.14 | ChoHag | Just fix it and stop moaning. |
| 11:28.49 | ChoHag | Eh? |
| 11:28.53 | morsing | Marmite |
| 11:29.01 | ChoHag | And sausages. |
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| 11:29.20 | morsing | etorix! |
| 11:29.25 | morsing | feeds the etorix marmite |
| 11:30.10 | etorix | slaps morsing around a bit with a rediculous pile of nauseating llama spit |
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| 11:43.29 | morsing | zmey_g! |
| 11:46.25 | zmey_g | morsing: |
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| 11:47.41 | Discordian | Good morning |
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| 12:02.06 | Axel | morning all |
| 12:02.55 | morsing | Axel! |
| 12:03.15 | Axel | Henrik! :-) |
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| 13:01.06 | morsing | Axel! |
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| 14:41.58 | aguai | help... |
| 14:42.00 | aguai | http://rafb.net/p/4aIL6026.html <- it seems like my apt-listenchange is crash |
| 14:42.13 | aguai | anyone could help? |
| 14:44.07 | Axel | alo aguai |
| 14:44.31 | Axel | sorry m8, not an expert on this |
| 14:44.40 | etorix | libdjvulibre15 |
| 14:44.42 | etorix | sec |
| 14:44.46 | Axel | sounds like an apt db problem to me |
| 14:45.05 | etorix | # dpkg --purge libdjvulibre15 |
| 14:45.05 | etorix | # apt-get -f install |
| 14:45.49 | etorix | tough if u need the 15 too |
| 14:46.15 | etorix | its reportbugged, should be fixed over the weekend |
| 14:46.58 | etorix | apt-listchanges is prolly over, bin it |
| 14:47.15 | etorix | its not kept up with apt changes |
| 14:47.45 | etorix | and dont ever use that autoremove thingie .. heh |
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| 15:25.23 | morsing | Provito! |
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| 15:34.43 | morsing | kjalil! |
| 16:59.22 | hali | hailstorm! |
| 16:59.43 | Discordian | it does look nasty outside |
| 17:22.41 | boudiccas | its just been hailing here |
| 17:22.51 | boudiccas | typical bank holiday weather! |
| 17:23.45 | Discordian | heh here today |
| 17:23.49 | Discordian | too |
| 17:23.51 | Discordian | even |
| 17:24.30 | hali | hm, it's sunny here again now :S |
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| 18:03.52 | secretlondon | hi |
| 18:04.44 | Discordian | hi |
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| 18:10.47 | secretlondon | hi etorix |
| 18:10.58 | etorix | e s |
| 18:11.13 | etorix | s/l |
| 18:11.24 | etorix | s-l |
| 18:13.00 | etorix | proper london bank holiday weather innit |
| 18:13.18 | Discordian | tis nasty |
| 18:13.53 | secretlondon | innit |
| 18:14.20 | secretlondon | was supposed to go on a walk today - not with this weather |
| 18:14.36 | Discordian | I'm glad I went shopping this morning when it was still sunny |
| 18:14.44 | etorix | hmm .. im seeing a sustained 20mb/s copying in from these external-usb's |
| 18:15.21 | etorix | i got 25mb/s copying out to them |
| 18:15.48 | etorix | bassterd sataII samsungs wont work on my mobo |
| 18:17.43 | etorix | they work fine as externals |
| 18:20.28 | secretlondon | weird shit connected to usb2? |
| 18:20.56 | secretlondon | there were some old bugs connected to which usb driver you had (or something I forget) |
| 18:22.07 | etorix | connected to usb2 is 100% fine |
| 18:22.15 | etorix | connected to MOBO aint |
| 18:22.35 | etorix | like, internally |
| 18:22.38 | secretlondon | yeah |
| 18:22.52 | secretlondon | on internal usb2 header? |
| 18:22.54 | etorix | its sata |
| 18:22.58 | secretlondon | oh ok |
| 18:23.15 | secretlondon | wakes up |
| 18:23.44 | etorix | sata2 |
| 18:24.40 | antiphase | WEll, since SATA is a well-defined standard, it means either the disks are broken, or your motherboard is, and since the disks work... |
| 18:25.08 | etorix | the mobo is a bit old, 2004 |
| 18:25.35 | etorix | the hds do have a sposed jumper setting for 1.5 |
| 18:25.54 | etorix | and the samsung site has firmware flashers |
| 18:26.03 | etorix | none of that works |
| 18:26.38 | etorix | nforce3 chipset vs. latest samsung |
| 18:26.54 | etorix | gigabyte blames the hds |
| 18:27.04 | etorix | samsung blames the mobo |
| 18:27.22 | etorix | i got externals for em |
| 18:30.04 | etorix | sata hds are fine |
| 18:30.30 | etorix | the 1.5 speed ones |
| 18:30.47 | etorix | these 3.0gb/s, no way jose |
| 18:31.10 | etorix | they get seen in bios at first boot, then they vanish |
| 18:31.36 | antiphase | I'm fairly sure SATA-2 ought to degrade to 1.5Gbps |
| 18:32.13 | etorix | theres jumpers to do that, cept the jumper map on samsung site aint the same |
| 18:32.14 | antiphase | So there's no electrical problem, only a chipset driver problem |
| 18:32.50 | etorix | and theres speed-altering flash utilities, they wont work either |
| 18:33.25 | etorix | just simple non-compatibile-ness |
| 18:34.29 | etorix | quite new hds .. they work fine in external enclosure |
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| 20:25.32 | secretlondo | stop.giving.me.green.internet |
| 20:25.40 | secretlondo | I want cyan internet, or blue at a push |
| 20:25.42 | secretlondo | gprs can go bye bye |
| 20:26.20 | Nafallo | lol |
| 20:26.42 | Nafallo | I thought someone was trying to save energy ;-) |
| 20:27.59 | secretlondo | ;) |
| 20:28.28 | secretlondo | green light - gprs, blue light - 3g, cyan - hsdpa |
| 20:29.02 | Nafallo | yea |
| 20:29.05 | Nafallo | I know |
| 20:29.13 | secretlondo | yours working now? |
| 20:29.32 | Nafallo | boss wanted it back long time ago :-P |
| 20:30.23 | secretlondon | bah |
| 20:30.33 | hali | we got a tmobile one at work, same white thingy as 3 |
| 20:30.34 | secretlondon | they are only £15/month now |
| 20:30.35 | hali | works quite good |
| 20:30.50 | secretlondon | mine is the 7.2 v'phone thing |
| 20:31.03 | secretlondon | e270, not the e220 |
| 20:31.18 | secretlondon | not much difference if it decides to give me gprs tho |
| 20:31.20 | hali | not sure what speed ours is supposed to be, i get about 1mbit on average downloads |
| 20:32.03 | secretlondon | it's even giving me the gsm interference noise on the laptop speakers! |
| 20:32.07 | secretlondon | curses |
| 20:32.53 | secretlondon | I was thinking now I got rid of content control I could play games with it - but with gprs! mega laag |
| 20:33.23 | hali | hm, crap, i forgot to buy hot cross buns :/ |
| 20:33.23 | secretlondon | I can't even play lightweight little 2d online things that have minimal network traffic |
| 20:33.31 | hali | eats a dry biscuit |
| 20:34.50 | secretlondon | is actually going to go out to buy chocolate |
| 20:35.17 | secretlondon | my need for shite is greater than the need not to go out in the dark and wet |
| 20:51.54 | secretlondon | ooh light go cyan |
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| 21:04.29 | secretlondon | just killed an unknown monster called 'error' |
| 21:04.36 | secretlondon | bug reports |
| 21:04.46 | secretlondon | got xp though ;) |
| 21:09.44 | etorix | got xp? |
| 21:12.53 | secretlondon | experience |
| 21:13.04 | secretlondon | gave me 50xp for killing broken monster |
| 21:13.42 | secretlondon | not very exciting amount tbh |
| 21:13.59 | secretlondon | I can get more than that for killing a pink mushroom |
| 21:14.18 | secretlondon | ~ scorpion ish, maggots only give 5xp |
| 21:14.58 | secretlondon | is playing the mana world, free (as in software) 2d mmorpg |
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| 22:32.03 | secretlondon | yum grilled chicken in sauce |
| 22:32.18 | Discordian | sounds nice, what sauce? |
| 22:35.29 | secretlondon | 'medium' |
| 22:35.47 | secretlondon | their hot is way too hot, like soaking chicken in chilli sauce |
| 22:36.04 | Discordian | Mmmm I like chilli though |
| 22:36.26 | secretlondon | me too, but I still can't eat it with hot, although medium is too mild really |
| 22:36.53 | Discordian | I had a zinger yesterday not as spicy as I recall :-( |
| 22:37.44 | secretlondon | it turns out the unknown monster I found in the mana world is the easter 2008 quest that hasn't been implented client side.. |
| 22:43.01 | secretlondon | I suspect 'easter fluffies' will drop eggs or something |
| 22:43.11 | Discordian | heh |
| 22:48.00 | Discordian | gah i failed at buying cheese earlier |
| 22:51.04 | ChoHag | # WORKING GIRLS | |
| 22:51.06 | ChoHag | # up to £35k |
| 22:52.00 | ChoHag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.00 | ChoHag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.12 | ChoHag | THAT'S NOT A USB PORT! |
| 22:53.12 | secretlondon | you can get usb anything these days.. |
| 22:53.49 | secretlondon | embedded devices.. |
| 22:54.01 | Discordian | USB boiling rings |
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| 23:35.01 | secretlondon | is now killing errors for easter eggs |