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| 02:15.14 | Discordian | re |
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| 07:55.36 | morsing | beer |
| 08:59.10 | morsing | *yawn* |
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| 09:44.19 | morsing | zmey_g! |
| 09:44.46 | zmey_g | morsing:! |
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| 10:06.43 | morsing | moz! |
| 10:06.49 | morsing | moz = mozzie? |
| 10:18.32 | moz | no just moz |
| 10:32.57 | morsing | Cheat! |
| 10:33.03 | morsing | has prawn |
| 10:33.03 | morsing | s |
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| 11:05.50 | morsing | ElPenguin! |
| 11:06.12 | ElPenguin | morning, morsing |
| 11:08.24 | morsing | Anyone here good with Java and XML? |
| 11:10.51 | morsing | Hello? |
| 11:10.53 | morsing | zmey_g? |
| 11:11.53 | zmey_g | morsing:-no |
| 11:12.08 | morsing | :( |
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| 11:25.41 | morsing | curson! |
| 11:26.26 | curson | morning, morsing |
| 11:26.53 | aguai | morsing: I thought youre a bot? |
| 11:33.11 | hali | what about java and xml? |
| 11:33.40 | hali | i do a fair bit of xslt/xml in java for reporting |
| 11:34.11 | hali | but nothing hardcore |
| 11:35.55 | morsing | In line 189 we get random error "xml has no properties": |
| 11:35.56 | morsing | http://www.southwalesvolvos.com/phpbb/ajax.php?m=js |
| 11:36.38 | hali | thats javascript |
| 11:36.40 | hali | not java |
| 11:36.42 | morsing | Cool |
| 11:36.46 | hali | and no line number :( |
| 11:36.58 | morsing | I know, past into VI andjump |
| 11:38.30 | hali | i would imagine the xml it pulls is malformed |
| 11:39.00 | antiphase | Web2.0 is malformed |
| 11:39.07 | morsing | I've found a newer version where that line has been replaced with: |
| 11:39.08 | morsing | (xml.getElementsByTagName("error") && xml.getElementsByTagName("error").length != 0) |
| 11:39.25 | morsing | Like, it check for an entry before checking its length |
| 11:39.27 | morsing | checks |
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| 11:43.59 | morsing | http://www.joemonster.org/i/ac/cycki1.jpg |
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| 11:44.11 | morsing | gregj! |
| 11:44.30 | gregj | bloody routers |
| 12:32.27 | secretlondon | has found a free open source 2d mmorpg |
| 12:53.40 | zmey_g | http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Nobody_Likes_Linux.htm |
| 13:09.00 | secretlondon | zmeg_g vodafone content control doesn't like that either |
| 13:14.39 | zmey_g | *sigh* |
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| 13:15.06 | Facundo | HI all |
| 13:15.11 | zmey_g | hi |
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| 14:16.17 | secretlondon | hi facundo |
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| 18:15.12 | secretlondon | I supposse I should actually get dressed |
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| 18:32.31 | hali | we don't mind either way |
| 18:33.28 | secretlondon | I think they may mind on the tube |
| 18:34.03 | Nafallo | secretlondon: I doubt it |
| 18:36.31 | secretlondon | Nafallo: I think that would count as suspicious behaviour, or whatever |
| 18:37.11 | Nafallo | secretlondon: so they need to let staff look at naked you then? :-P |
| 18:37.34 | secretlondon | well it would show I wasn't going to blow up |
| 18:38.20 | Nafallo | ehrm. no. it wouldn't, but I'm not going to go there ;-) |
| 18:44.15 | secretlondon | anyway - off to the Pembury |
| 18:44.22 | secretlondon | wavesa |
| 18:44.26 | secretlondon | waves |
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| 19:15.58 | Discordian | Good evening |
| 19:33.43 | hali | Goo Evening |
| 19:34.19 | hali | +d |
| 20:04.26 | z00dax | hello |
| 20:04.45 | Nafallo | hi z00dax |
| 20:04.55 | z00dax | howse it going ? |
| 20:06.08 | Nafallo | well, I just de-installed a bit too many packages. |
| 20:06.14 | Nafallo | could be better. |
| 20:06.40 | z00dax | heh, as long as cpio is still there and functional. you can recover in most cases |
| 20:07.04 | Nafallo | I have no net connection (wpasupplicant missing) and no grub ;-) |
| 20:07.16 | Nafallo | the kernel I found in /var/cache/apt/archives ;-) |
| 20:08.46 | Nafallo | oh well. I think I need to go to the DC tomorrow and play with the USB CDROM then :-P |
| 20:09.29 | z00dax | you have a machine in the DC that needs wpa_supplicat ? |
| 20:09.49 | Nafallo | no. my eee :-) |
| 20:10.08 | Nafallo | will need the usb cdrom for recovery ;-) |
| 20:15.24 | z00dax | humm |
| 20:15.43 | z00dax | do you have a memory card handy ? and another machine which has a memory card reader ? you can dump things onto it |
| 20:20.46 | Nafallo | apparently the NIC was still fine :-) |
| 20:20.53 | Nafallo | recovering now |
| 20:21.43 | z00dax | dont reboot the machine till its all sorted :D |
| 20:22.16 | Nafallo | hehe. won't :-) |
| 20:22.45 | Nafallo | ubuntu-* metapackages should fix it ;-) |
| 20:23.04 | Nafallo | as long as I get rid of Xubuntu :-P |
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| 20:50.53 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 20:50.55 | morsing | etorix! |
| 20:53.54 | z00dax | morsing: hi |
| 20:55.28 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 21:01.29 | z00dax | where did you guys go for Curry yesterday ? |
| 21:01.43 | morsing | Lords as always. Why didn't you come? |
| 21:02.05 | z00dax | I had to leave early |
| 21:02.18 | morsing | Oh yes! |
| 21:02.19 | morsing | Sorry |
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| 22:15.53 | hali | is playing with pentaho bi server |
| 22:15.57 | hali | anyone tried it? |
| 22:16.12 | z00dax | sometime back |
| 22:16.17 | z00dax | about a year + |
| 22:16.19 | hali | it looks ok |
| 22:16.27 | hali | i need a reporting tool for a couple of things |
| 22:16.30 | z00dax | wasent quite all that polished, specially the UI broke lots |
| 22:16.32 | hali | pentaho may be overkill |
| 22:16.45 | hali | i tried reportdesigner and the java gui was broken++ |
| 22:16.50 | z00dax | i was looking for etl stuff, went with talend |
| 22:16.58 | z00dax | jasper ? |
| 22:17.04 | hali | haven't treid jasper yet |
| 22:17.07 | hali | also on my list |
| 22:17.12 | hali | have you tried it? |
| 22:17.29 | z00dax | yes, worked fine - lots and lots of community around it |
| 22:18.03 | z00dax | only thing is, you need to get the Exact jre version the developers are using at the moment |
| 22:18.11 | hali | i wrote a fairly massive bugzilla extension to handle multiple flag types (instead of just +/- we create a flag per active branch and now have stuff like "fixed in branch", "verified", "to verify") |
| 22:18.17 | z00dax | but then, that might be true for most java stuff these days |
| 22:18.20 | hali | and i need to spit out reports based on whats going on with bugs now :/ |
| 22:18.34 | z00dax | joy |
| 22:18.35 | Discordian | I seem to have multiple jre instances on my box |
| 22:19.04 | hali | i always have 3+ jdk's |
| 22:19.09 | hali | 1.4 1.5 and 1.6 |
| 22:19.18 | hali | and usually at least one more non-sun jdk, ibm or jrockit |
| 22:19.26 | Discordian | Oracle came with it's own |
| 22:19.58 | hali | hm, so this is why i installed those 2gb extra ram in my server :) |
| 22:20.04 | hali | bi uses a gig just on startup |
| 22:20.19 | Discordian | blimey |
| 22:20.31 | hali | hm, almost, 1157virt and 450rss |
| 22:23.47 | z00dax | x86_64 ? |
| 22:27.22 | hali | yes |
| 22:32.28 | hali | but pentaho came with a 32-bit jdk, so that is still 32-bit.. hmm... annoying |
| 22:32.32 | hali | i can fix that i guess though |
| 22:34.53 | z00dax | 32 -> 64 would mean > 1 Gb easy |
| 22:34.59 | z00dax | or ram that is |
| 22:35.14 | z00dax | everything else being normal you should expect 40 - 50% increase atleast in ram usage |
| 22:45.41 | hali | and pentaho breaks when proxied, that is shit |
| 22:45.47 | hali | who runs a java app without a proxy?! |
| 22:49.55 | hali | ok, i don't like that thing |
| 22:50.04 | hali | i bet jasper is more friendly |
| 22:50.26 | hali | not so "yes we are open source and it's free, but we are really trying to screw you over" |
| 22:50.58 | z00dax | or 'yes we are open source and its free, but you cant get shit done unless you buy our support' |
| 22:51.10 | Discordian | "It's open source but we make it difficult to use so you have to pay us" |
| 22:51.17 | hali | yes, the downloadable version looks like some sort of eval version |
| 22:51.31 | hali | and it keeps making connections to pentaho.com to retrieve "news" |
| 22:52.13 | Discordian | I saw a really dodgy take on the GPL the other day |
| 22:52.22 | hali | i mean, all i need is a basic framework to run sql, foramt it, and send out emails every monday morning |
| 22:52.29 | hali | right now i do that with a couple of php scripts and cron |
| 22:52.41 | hali | how hard can it be to find something in between that and bloated bullshit |
| 22:53.19 | hali | pkill java |
| 22:53.22 | hali | enough! |
| 22:54.34 | Discordian | Nothing inherently wrong with java |
| 22:54.49 | hali | no, not at all |
| 22:54.52 | hali | just with that thing |
| 22:55.13 | hali | im a bit fan of java |
| 22:55.14 | z00dax | notices rsync-3 is a *massive* improvement over 2.6.9 |
| 22:55.22 | Discordian | If I recall sun's jre doesn't do JIT compilation |
| 22:55.34 | hali | whats new in rsync 3? |
| 22:56.17 | z00dax | it does incremental stuff, so it will start sending files as soon as it finds stuff to send, and the delta parser seems a lot quicker |
| 22:56.36 | Discordian | But icedtea is dreadful |
| 22:57.04 | z00dax | i just did a rsync on 40 gb worth of 1 file, it normally takes 19 to 21 min to start, it started in 11 min, and was done in 15 |
| 22:57.07 | hali | hm, threaded? |
| 22:57.11 | z00dax | not yet :( |
| 22:57.17 | z00dax | that would be fantastic |
| 22:57.18 | hali | that would be nice to have |
| 22:57.30 | hali | scan and send at the same time |
| 22:57.39 | z00dax | dag pushed packages a few days back, am using them now. |
| 22:57.58 | z00dax | Discordian: be fair, icedtea is preAlpha |
| 22:58.19 | Discordian | Yeah but shipped as the java package on F8 |
| 22:58.21 | hali | z00dax: my boss is hogging that 420r btw, i can give you a fairly useles netra t1 if that is any good |
| 22:58.23 | z00dax | its not going into beta for 6 - 8 months, and release isnt scheduled till Q2/Q3 2009 |
| 22:58.46 | z00dax | hali: define useless :D |
| 22:59.07 | hali | z00dax: hm, i think it's something like a 360mhz, possibly 400mhz .. 512 or 1gb ram .. scsi at least |
| 22:59.07 | z00dax | if its got > 1 GB ram and > 30 gb drives, its a usable compile machine |
| 22:59.22 | z00dax | s/>/>=/ |
| 22:59.25 | hali | i think i have at least 1 with 1gb ram and 2x18 |
| 22:59.36 | z00dax | that'd be cool |
| 23:00.03 | hali | i'll take it home then, and you can pick it up whenever or i can drop it off at the next meeting |
| 23:00.16 | z00dax | cool, thanks |
| 23:00.23 | z00dax | what are you doing at work / working on Sunday night anyway ? |
| 23:00.39 | hali | not at work, just researching some work |
| 23:00.50 | z00dax | humm ok. |
| 23:00.59 | z00dax | I need to get / find food. brb |
| 23:01.26 | Nafallo | just found totems youtube sidebar :-D |
| 23:02.08 | hali | drules over the new chenbro itx nas chassi |
| 23:02.17 | hali | drools* |
