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01:11.05z00daxlinanne: hi
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09:17.32bilarhmorning
09:17.34bilarhpayday
09:17.41bilarhand now i'm pissed off
09:17.46bilarhi think they paid me too little
09:17.53bilarh*stabs hr in the face*
09:17.57Ch0HagYou should be grateful for what you've got.
09:18.00Blaptobilarh: are you contract or salaried?
09:18.02Leedsof course they did, that's what the bastards are there for
09:18.06bilarhsalaried
09:18.07Ch0HagAnd remember it's February.
09:18.14bilarhi get paid monthly
09:18.18Blaptowww.listentotaxman.co.uk is good for working that sort of thing out then.
09:18.20LeedsCh0Hag: that's effectively what my manager told me this morning... after telling me he didn't give a fuck if I was happy with my work or not
09:18.23Blaptoor .com, I forget
09:18.24bilarhbut i should have had almost 2000 in overtime payments
09:18.40Ch0HagLeeds: That sounds like CV posting time.
09:18.43BlaptoLeeds: Are you no longer LeedsHK?
09:18.55LeedsCh0Hag: very much so
09:18.57LeedsBlapto: I am
09:19.00bilarhhow many hours do we work in the uk a yaer?
09:19.02Leedsstill in HK, that is
09:19.05bilarhis it 48*37.5?
09:19.06BlaptoOh, right
09:19.19BlaptoIt depends how many hours you work...
09:19.29bilarhif my standard work week is 37.5?
09:19.38BlaptoAnd depends how much holiday you get
09:19.41bilarhdoes that mean that my hourly rate is 48*37.5?
09:19.51bilarhif i get 25 days holiday?
09:19.53bilarh47 i suppose
09:19.58bilarhwhich gives an even higher rate
09:20.01BlaptoWell, not quite
09:20.02Ch0Hag((365.2*(5/7))-$holiday)*(37.5/5)
09:20.16BlaptoIf you're working out to move to a contract job, there's more to calculate than that.
09:20.32BlaptoAnd you need to check your contract really.
09:20.43bilarhok i work 1769 hours a year then
09:21.37bilarhthe fucking cunts, they haven't given me my 2x pay on sunday and 1.5x pay on saturdays
09:21.57bilarh*and* they've paid me for less hours as well, even though it was all signed off
09:22.14BlaptoStick it in a spreadsheet, get your line manager to sign it, give it to HR?
09:22.22bilarhyeah i will when i get my payslip
09:22.34bilarhunless they've taken a bunch out for my nonexistant student loans or something
09:23.43Leedsthat, by the way, isn't a paraphrase - he may not have used those exact words, but he did say he didn't care, and he did use the word 'fuck' in the sentence...
09:24.24bilarhwas he having a bad day generally?
09:24.37Ch0HagThat's no excuse.
09:25.10Ch0HagSomeone speaks to me like that and my productivity disappears, followed shortly thereafter by my physical presence.
09:27.21BlaptoLeeds, are you still in lingerie?
09:27.39wethrinThat's an awfully personal question!
09:27.53BlaptoI'm an awful person, what can I say?
09:27.56wethrinTrue
09:28.40LeedsBlapto: I stopped being in lingerie about 18 months ago
09:29.01BlaptoOK, probably for the best.
09:29.13Leedsthat was not by choice, this one sort of will be
09:30.01LeedsCh0Hag: my productivity vanished a while ago, to be honest... my physical presence will be going as soon as it finds somewhere else to present
09:31.31bilarhleeds: what's the visa situation like?
09:32.01LeedsI have one... when I get a new job, it's pretty close to applying for a new one, unfortunately, although it should be rather more of a rubber-stamp
09:32.21bilarhwhy do you think they don't like you?
09:32.28bilarhsorry for being nosey :)
09:34.28Ch0HagXenophobia?
09:36.09Leedsmaybe a little bit of it
09:39.23Leedsmore like culture clash, I think
09:39.23LeedsI think I am an engineer, my job is to make customers happy by implementing technological solutions to their business problems, to use horrible cliched terms
09:39.27LeedsI think he is a manager, his job is to assign me to projects, manage resources, deal with customers at the 1km level
09:39.33Leedsthey are rather into micromanaging here
09:39.35LeedsI don't react well to that
09:40.50etorixyou are customer-facing business unit?
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09:44.45Leedslocal guys don't tend to argue, to make trouble... sometimes - often? - I think I actually know more than my manager about technical things... so I argue
09:46.04Leedsmy company only, really, does contract work, mostly onsite
09:48.33bilarheurgh, i can't deal with micro management
09:48.38Ch0HagThat's disastrous.
09:48.48Ch0HagThere is little future in being right when your boss is wrong.
09:49.00bilarhbut then if my boss definitely doesn't want to do something i don't argue :)
09:49.04bilarhit's not worht the hassle, it's just a jbo
09:49.05bilarhjob
09:49.12Ch0HagUnless you're insanely lucky and have a sensible boss.
09:50.04bilarhactually, i am at the moment, but when i didn't
09:50.07bilarhit's not worth the hassle
09:52.06BlaptoThis reminds me, we're hiring two *nix sysadmins at ticketmaster
09:52.15BlaptoI'm going to post the job spec up to gllug today
09:52.37Ch0HagI think I saw that job but rejected it for being too networky and not systemy enough.
09:53.08bilarhblapto: do you pay out overtime correctly? ;-)
09:53.17BlaptoYou might have seen a advert for a net admin, seeing as we're hiring one of those as well right now.
09:53.28Blaptobilarh: we don't get overtime, so yes.
09:53.28Ch0HagIt was going on about BGP and Cisco and the like.
09:53.58BlaptoCh0Hag: probably hiring for network systems then.  We do very little network stuff in this team, and certainly no Cisco/BGP
09:54.14BlaptoThe only stuff we do is configuring load balancers, and those are set up by netsys anyway to start with
09:54.15Ch0HagOh. Probably another group then.
09:54.16bilarhblapto: how big an org is ticketmaster actually?
09:54.22Ch0HagIn that case, sign me up :)
09:54.54BlaptoHmm, in the UK there's probably about 25-30 in Systems
09:55.08BlaptoProbably 15 developers working on ticketmaster and ticketweb
09:55.18Leedsactually, most companies in HK would be happy if their supplier sends a white guy - we are considered elite
09:55.37BlaptoAnd then loads of people in Canada and Europe working on the ticketmaster.de, nl, se, dk, nl sites.
09:55.43BlaptoIt's pretty expansive
09:55.49bilarhblapto: damn, taht's pretty massive
09:56.14BlaptoProbably twice that again in California working on ticketmaster.com
09:56.28BlaptoAnd probably that again in dev teams all over the world.
09:56.41Ch0HagYeah but it *takes* twice as many in .ca.us
09:57.04BlaptoI'd guess there's about 15 datacentres worldwide
09:57.46BlaptoIt's a big org.
09:58.45Ch0HagDo you want a CV or do I just start on Monday?
09:58.45bilarhyeah certainly sounds like it
09:59.06BlaptoCh0Hag: send a CV over to martin.lee@ticketmaster.co.uk
09:59.19BlaptoI'll forward it to my boss and HR
09:59.46Ch0HagDo you want "I am amazing" blurb or is a plain attachment OK?
10:00.15BlaptoWell, my boss will be happy with an attached .doc or pdf or something, but HR might want something down the line, I'm not sure.#
10:00.40BlaptoAn attached CV is probably just fine
10:01.52Ch0HagWill do.
10:02.32BlaptoI'll reply with the job spec, so you've got some idea, but it's not very descriptive of the role.  I think it was written out for recruitment agencies rather than public consumption.
10:05.02Ch0Hag*nix system administrator?
10:05.24haliTape rotation specialist
10:05.40Ch0HagHeh.
10:07.55Blapto95% Linux, 1% BSD, 4% Windows (though we're getting rid of half those windows servers this week, yay.)
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10:08.23BlaptoOh, and there's a couple of Solaris boxes per country for RSA stuff.
10:08.50bilarhwe have tape operators :D
10:09.02bilarha whole team of maybe 20 people working on 24/7 to change tapes
10:09.07Discordianheh
10:09.12Blaptobilarh: how much data do you generate?
10:09.23bilarhblapto: in total in the uk?
10:09.27bilarhnot sure
10:09.49bilarhbut this centre where i work we have abuot 80 geophysicists and they generate about 500gb of data every day
10:09.58BlaptoBlimey
10:10.05bilarhthe tape operators are mainly used for loading data that comes in from the field
10:10.15BlaptoAh, I see
10:10.32bilarhlike for new projects and stuff, but i think we also hold some data on tapes due to disk space constraints
10:10.55bilarhwe've got about 250 geo's in total in the uk
10:11.09BlaptoSounds like fun
10:11.16bilarhyeah it's ok actually :)
10:11.20bilarhbigger systems than i've worked with before
10:11.27bilarhboth in terms of cpu and in disk space
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10:12.53BlaptoCh0Hag: got it
10:13.19Ch0HagJolly good.
10:13.20Ch0HagDon't laugh.
10:14.18Ch0HagIs it a good idea to show your CV to people you know socially?
10:14.32Blaptoyour CV does painful things to xpdf
10:14.39BlaptoThough that may be xpdf's fault
10:15.19DiscordianI used to have problems with xpdf and OS X generated pdfs
10:15.20bilarhblapto: oi, chohag spent ages formatting it like that... "xpdf does funny things to your cv" cheeky bugger :(
10:15.23bilarh;-)
10:15.42BlaptoHaha
10:16.01BlaptoNo, it renders fine, but locks up when I try to resize it
10:17.27BlaptoRighto, I'll forward it over to the boss man
10:17.35Ch0HagIt looks fine in xpdf here.
10:17.51Ch0HagIt complains when I quit, but it always does that.
10:18.14Ch0HagOh. Resize...
10:18.18Ch0HagNOpe, I think your xpdf is broken :P
10:20.12halihm, i thought everyone learnt the lesson with CV's... 100% solid Word 2000 file format or no go :)
10:20.32bilarhword 97 ftw
10:20.38Ch0HagWell I did have one person insist on word format.
10:20.58Ch0HagI considered telling him not to be a retard, but I'm not in a position to reject jobs frivolously.
10:21.06hali99.99% of all recruiters do
10:21.08bilarhit's so that they can botch it up (i.e. remove your contact details and add random lies in, usually in a place that looks completely out of the normal format)
10:21.12haliso they can edit it to their liking
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10:48.02Blaptohttp://www.b3ta.com/questions/liesonmycv/post58147 - see that...
10:48.38morsingBlocked by proxy...
10:48.44morsingWhat is it?
10:49.55BlaptoIt's the b3ta question of the week, where there's a question posed, and then people post mostly true, amusing stories.
10:49.58BlaptoQuestion is:
10:50.04BlaptoLies I told on my CV
10:50.04BlaptoI've not had to lie on my CV (resumé for all you 'merkins) for a while, but way back when I was a teenager and C was a cool programming language, I listed it as one of my skills.
10:50.07BlaptoMy new boss was remarkably nice about me spending my first week's employment reading a "how to program in C" book.
10:50.11BlaptoWell, that's the topic, I suppose
10:50.38Blaptohttp://pastebin.com/d59e57a08
10:51.08morsingHmm... Odd this gets blocked
10:51.22BlaptoIt's an "adult humour" website
10:51.53BlaptoMainly amusing photoshoppery, mostly british humour
10:51.59BlaptoJokes about the recently deceased, etc.
10:52.28Blaptohttp://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/47475/1204152606/harrods.jpg if you can see it is an eample.
10:52.59Blaptohttp://www.haku.co.uk/b3ta/PALNTSC2.jpg or that
10:53.15morsingAccess Denied even to the JPEG :)
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10:53.56morsingElPenguin!
10:54.01morsingwethrin!
10:54.05wethrinLIES!
10:54.07morsing:(
10:54.10morsing?
10:54.14Blaptoh4x"
10:54.37wethrinHa
10:54.41ElPenguinhi morsing
10:54.43wethrin<PROTECTED>
10:54.45wethrin"Pork Products", he replied, "and women with big arses"
10:54.59BlaptoYes, it is a marvellous QoTW, lots of prime jokery
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10:57.35morsingjerichokb!
10:58.04jerichokbhi
10:58.08bilarhwethrin: :D :D
10:59.36wethrinOooh, I like the tipp-ex one
10:59.42wethrin<quote>
10:59.47wethrinKnew a girl from school who bunked off all her exams. When the certificate arrived in the post, every single subject had the word "Abs" for 'Absent' where the grade should be.
10:59.50wethrinA little work with a bottle of Tipp-ex and a colour photocopier later, she presented a certificate boasting straight A's to a prospective employer, and is now the manager at a large high street bank whose name rhymes with "Shabby". If only they knew.
10:59.54wethrin</quote>
11:00.06wethrinThat's got to be given points for inventiveness
11:00.34ElPenguinheh
11:06.30BlaptoI can't make 15th March, but what's happening on the 12th?
11:08.34wethrinBlapto: It's on the Gllug web page
11:09.59BlaptoLooks good, you going?
11:10.26wethrinNo. It's on a Wednesday
11:10.35wethrinI'm at the wrong end of the country
11:10.35BlaptoRighto
11:10.39wethrinI'll be there on Saturday, though
11:10.48BlaptoSaturday I can't make, Sarah's birthday.
11:11.08wethrinOh
11:11.16wethrinDrag her along :)
11:11.31BlaptoI think she has plans already.
11:11.40wethrinbah
11:20.22wethrinArgh. lists.gllug.org.uk is *still* down
11:20.36BlaptoWhat we need is a sysadmin to fix it
11:21.09cpufreakput it on google apps
11:21.09cpufreakjob done.
11:21.16BlaptoOr Yahoo!
11:21.17ElPenguinwe need a proper bofh!
11:21.18Blapto:)
11:21.28BlaptoIs gllug.org.uk z00dax's?
11:21.48morsingBeer
11:21.56wethrinNo.
11:21.59BlaptoTonight?
11:22.04wethrinJason's, mostly. Except the DNS
11:22.26BlaptoWhat's Jason's nick?
11:22.32wethrinjason_ukfsn
11:22.44cpufreakgoogle apps, rock
11:22.45BlaptoDon't think I've seen him around
11:23.14wethrinHe rarely is.
11:23.25wethrinHe's a busy man. And not too well these days, apparently.
11:23.35Blapto:(
11:23.55morsingwethrin: These days -> Last couple of years
11:24.28BlaptoOh blimey
11:25.01z00dax???
11:25.16wethrinApparently it's a bit worse :-/
11:25.19z00daxIts not mine, but I dont mind hosting it - and giving a few people access
11:25.38wethrinThere are lots of people who wouldn't mind hosting it
11:25.43popey:)
11:25.50wethrinThere's one person, f'rexample
11:25.57popeyo/
11:26.06wethrin*If* it were to be moved, lug.org.uk would probably be the sensible place
11:26.22wethrinHow many people run lug.org.uk now? popey, agk.....?
11:26.37popeyadmins include me, grifferz, agk, hugo
11:26.42popeywe do most of it
11:27.27popeywethrin: you on the lugmaster list?
11:27.33wethrinpopey: No
11:27.37wethrinShould I be?
11:27.39popeyyes
11:27.51popeyand anyone else who helps organise stuff in the lug
11:28.08popeyhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster
11:28.15popeyjoin and I'll approve, it's a "closed" list
11:29.10popey11:28:33 <@darkling> Practically, there's three of us doing day-to-day admin, 5 with root access, and 7 with web-fu.
11:29.14wethrinpopey: SUBSCIBED
11:30.09popeywaiting for the notification
11:30.47wethrinAh, it's sent me a confirmation request
11:31.21popey:)
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11:31.35wethrinNow it's been forwarded to the list moderator
11:33.02popeydone
11:33.26wethrinAnd a welcome message too. Hurrah!
11:33.34morsingLeeds!
11:33.36wethrinI'm not even supposed to organise meetings, not being in London!
11:34.48popeyJohn Levin does stuff doesn't he?
11:35.00wethrinHe's only just started
11:35.39wethrinSo he's done the one on the 12th of March
11:36.22Blaptowethrin: How long are you planning on staying in the wrong end of the country?
11:36.34wethrinBlapto: At least another couple of years
11:36.57wethrinAfter that, who knows.
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11:40.57BlaptoHmm, I think I might have a talk for you guys in a month or so
11:41.06morsingNice
11:41.12wethrinGood good
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11:42.11wethrinHe's back!
11:42.13morsingwethrin!
11:42.17Blaptohttp://code.google.com/p/spine-mgmt/
11:42.37wethrinTime for work!
11:42.41morsing"Work"?
11:42.44wethrinYes. Work.
11:42.50wethrinThings that involve not being on IRC.
11:42.55morsing:-/
11:42.57morsingCan I leave?
11:43.01wethrinNO!
11:43.02wethrinMuahahaha.
11:43.03wethrinEtc.
11:43.05wethrinLater, folks!
11:43.11morsingbyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
11:43.14Blaptobye
12:45.52z00daxmorsing: hi
13:34.54morsingz00dax!
13:39.46Ch0HagAll that effort - walk to bakery+tesco, buy stuff, make sandwiches - and now I'm too lazy to eat.
13:47.00BlaptoCh0Hag: where do you live?
13:47.09Ch0HagKingston.
13:47.21BlaptoHmm, a bit far for me to pop round and nick them then
13:47.28Ch0HagSorry.
13:47.42Ch0HagDon't worry, I'm slogging my way through them.
13:47.48Ch0HagIt's a hard job but somebody's got to do it.
13:47.54BlaptoThat's a weight off my mind then
13:48.36Ch0HagI do make bloody good sandwiches, if I say so myself, even if I am forced to use cheap ham.
13:54.14morsingBEER
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14:34.59morsinginDJ_InstcT!
14:36.28Ch0HagWhy do hire companies give table sizes in feet and tablecloth sizes in inches?
14:36.37Ch0HagAt least I assume it's inches.
14:37.30z00daxmorsing: was good to see you at fosdem, I was under the impression that you had moved to Antartica :D
14:37.38morsingReally? :)
14:37.49morsingOnly Manchester! Good to see you too! (Briefly)
14:37.55morsingz00dax: 15th?
14:38.02BlaptoAnybody going to http://www.eu.apachecon.com/eu2008/
14:41.17z00daxyes, 15th sounds good. and when did you move to Manchester ?
14:41.34morsingz00dax: 3rd of December...
14:42.04z00daxBlapto: not me no. i dont do enough with apache to justify it - and i am really not too keen on their take on everthing-should-be-in-java
14:43.00morsingBlapto: How's your brother?
14:43.29z00daxmorsing: so, what was it then - work took you there ? did you meet a girl who is living there ? or did you just move for the sake of getting away from George ?
14:43.54morsingWork...
14:44.03morsingAnd getting away from Goerge
14:44.05morsingGeorge
14:44.08z00daxi have heard that beer is cheaper there.. that'd be a good reason to move too :D
14:44.12morsing:)
14:44.30Blaptomorsing: Robert's fine, thanks for asking.
14:44.48morsingHis name's Martin
14:45.15BlaptoNo, my name is Martin.  My brother is called Robert.  I have no other siblings.
14:45.32Blapto(Though if my brother were a girl, he'd be called Verity.  I find this amusing)
14:45.45morsingNice :)
14:45.53BlaptoAnybody here run a Debian mirror?
14:46.01morsingNo
14:46.08morsingI run an AIX mirror
14:46.22BlaptoThere's a dozen or so Debian boxes in this office, I think I might set up a lenny mirror
14:46.27morsingLamin - hence the phrase, "In Lamin's terms." The way I would help you understand what it means is to refer to it as a simpleton. One who is ignorant to certain esoteric words, phrases, ideas, etc.
14:46.53morsingLenny? Friend of yours?
14:47.09BlaptoErrm, Debian Testing
14:48.00morsingThis is fun
14:48.09BlaptoIs it?
14:48.16morsingBTW, ket says FreeBSD beats the crap out of Linux
14:48.24BlaptoWho's ket?
14:48.48z00daxhttp://flickr.com/groups/songchart/pool/show/
14:48.50z00daxthat is cool
14:49.15z00daxmorsing: i see you havent switched to Linux as yet .
14:49.46morsing?
14:49.53morsingSwitched away from you mean?
14:50.00morsing12 years of pain
14:50.02Blapto<PROTECTED>
14:50.07Blaptooops, sorry
14:50.08morsingShould really do it soon
14:50.11BlaptoI can't use a mouse, apparently
14:50.51morsingz00dax: ?
14:51.38z00daxmorsing: i thought you were switching To linux, and not from it
14:51.54z00daxi saw aix on a power6 blade the other day, is quite nice in itself
14:52.18morsingz00dax: How can I switch *to* Linux? I can switch *away* from it, which I really should do
14:52.42z00daxwhat would you move to ?
14:53.01morsingFreeBSD? Or AIX maybe... But AIX is too expensive
14:53.21z00daxyeah, and the hardware it runs on isnt cheap either
14:53.34z00daxi gave up on FreeBSD a long time back
14:53.35morsingFreeBSD is still lacking in features though, despite what ket says
14:53.47morsingAIX is free, I'm talking hardware
14:55.17z00daxyeah
14:55.33z00daxbtw, can you run AIX on non  IBM power ?
14:55.39morsingNo!
14:55.52z00daxright, so no running AIX on the G5 then :D
14:55.56morsingNo!
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15:50.33bilarhi hate stupid in house applications that don't work
15:50.42BlaptoIn horse application?
15:50.52BlaptoLike a suppository?
15:53.21bilarhget me a ticket to foo fighters, please
15:55.30dick_turpinbilarh: Who do you think you are, Oliver Twist?
16:02.28bilarhplease sir
16:02.39bilarhi hate the finance department
16:02.45Blaptobilarh, steal something from dick_turpin.
16:02.47bilarhthey "forgot" to pay my overtime, the bastids
16:02.58BlaptoWhich is an ironic twist on dick_turpin's username...
16:03.22dick_turpinbilarh: No they didn't it got diverted to my account :-P
16:03.37bilarhthe funny thing was, i spent the money on a clutch :(
16:04.02dick_turpinsmiles
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16:07.57dick_turpinboudiccas: You staying or going?
16:09.23bilarhin other news, house prices down 4 months in a row according to nationwide
16:09.35bilarhyear on year appreciation down to 2.7% :D
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16:23.31Blaptohouse prices down, or rate of increase down?
16:24.12bilarhhouse prices down for four months in a row
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16:24.19bilarhbut year on year is still positive at 2.7%
16:24.20z00daxthats good
16:31.30Ch0HagUKFSN is nice, but the support is bloody slow.
16:31.38Ch0HagI emailed on Monday and still haven't got anything.
16:34.51z00daxperhaps you are asking the wrong questions
16:35.18Ch0HagWhat? "Please transfer the domain before it expires on Saturday"?
16:35.32BlaptoOoh heck
16:35.43BlaptoYou going to rereg it on the day?
16:36.08Ch0HagI wanted to get it away from 123 without registering it twice.
16:36.17Ch0HagAnd the client only paid me the other day.
16:36.45Ch0HagNow I'm going to have to keep it on 123 and I can't find where to change the IPS tag back because 123 suck.
16:39.44z00daxnice
16:40.57dick_turpinRotflmao fuck me there's a complete nutter on the openSUSE mailing list arguing to discuss marital problems on-list!!
16:41.20z00daxdick_turpin: you mean there is 1 who isnt ?
16:41.23Ch0HagHe's looking to the right place for advice...
16:41.27z00daxcause everyone else found something else to run
16:43.19Ch0HagOh thanks, 123, only tell me encryption is off *after* asking me for my password.
16:46.44BlaptoThe submit method on the form might still go to HTTPS
16:46.55Ch0HagIt uses HTTP basic auth.
16:47.02dick_turpinHis email adress is Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism xxx@gmail.com
16:47.24dick_turpinman I've gotta fnd the archive
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16:48.33secretlondonhi
16:48.37BlaptoHi
16:49.07dick_turpinhttp://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-02/threads15.html
16:50.16secretlondonI has 19 inch crt monitor now, and even managed to get it up the stairs ;)
16:52.23z00daxsecretlondon: well done!
16:52.55Blaptosecretlondon: Courtesy of Stannah? ;);)
16:56.35Ch0HagAh there it is. The domain was due to expire tomorrow so half the options, among them the ability to change IPS tag, disappeared. No 'this would be available if you bend over^W^Wpay us' message. Just gone.
17:00.46Ch0Hagns0.monnsta.net. is an invalid nameserver while ns0.monnsta.net is fine.
17:06.01Blaptobye all
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17:33.10morsinggregj!
17:33.16morsingzmey_g!
17:33.31zmey_gmorsing:!!!
17:33.40zmey_ghow doing
17:33.43gregjy0y0
17:33.49gregjhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Iw78gcU713g&feature=related
17:33.49morsingGreat but crap :)
17:33.50gregj:]
17:33.55morsingThanks
17:33.58gregjthe usual
17:34.25zmey_gmorsing: i have a job offer today
17:34.46morsingCool! Wwhere?
17:34.55zmey_g+ another interview
17:34.57gregjhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4sQEKroa8
17:35.32zmey_gmorsing: analytic for some business
17:36.28zmey_gbut the funny point is i had an interview for ISP company which could lead to job offer too
17:37.23zmey_gso it could be 2 job offers :) which is too bad
17:40.05morsing:)
17:41.33zmey_gmorsing: how you anything good?
17:42.54morsingI'm Great :)  Very happy
17:43.36zmey_ghappy? what does it mean?
17:43.41zmey_g:)
17:48.27morsing:)
17:49.59zmey_gok. i checked it in my vocabulary. weird concept.
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18:25.22Discordian2 jobs offers sounds good
18:29.47zmey_gDiscordian: i hope it will be 2. i don't really like office job, so i would love to do some IT work on the linux farm.
18:30.39DiscordianBest of luck
18:30.46zmey_gthanks
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18:34.14secretlondonrehi
18:36.51DiscordianHi
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18:56.05Discordianwb
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19:21.51DiscordianTis quiet
19:22.06secretlondonyes
19:22.22secretlondonalthough lively on another channel that is normally dead
19:23.04DiscordianI guess lots of people are out celeberating St Tibs' day
19:23.19secretlondonat least one boy I know got engaged today..
19:23.33Discordiandid his GF ask him?
19:24.23secretlondonyes
19:24.31DiscordianExcellent
19:25.00DiscordianI think it would be foolish to ever contemplate it again
19:25.45DiscordianAww
19:25.59Discordiandone serious relationships
19:26.13Discordianand lived with two ex fiancees
19:26.28Discordianor more exactly they lived with me
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19:29.39DiscordianThat was probably the oddest gig I ever went to
19:30.23DiscordianA 'women in rock' festival
19:30.51DiscordianI must have been the only str8ish guy
19:31.00DiscordianChile, South America?
19:31.03secretlondonyeah!
19:31.17secretlondonit was a general invite on twitter by someone in ubuntu
19:31.22Discordianhahah
19:31.39DiscordianIt's a bit of a trek
19:32.16Discordianand expensive
19:32.17secretlondonI've had 2 random twitter friendings today - one is someone with 1,000 friends in 2 days, and the other has 40 friends - all of them female (he's a guy comp sci, early 20s)
19:32.43secretlondonI also have the hair fetishist who is following me because my icon has long hair
19:32.50DiscordianI had a totally random attempt on facebook
19:32.57DiscordianVery strange
19:33.26secretlondonyou often get mis attempts on facebook
19:33.38secretlondonpeople with the same name
19:33.41Discordianwell yes
19:33.52DiscordianI assume that's what it is
19:36.09DiscordianI wanted to go to carnival in Rio last year
19:36.21DiscordianBut it was silly silly money
20:01.39DiscordianHmmm
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20:10.24Discordiangah
20:10.38DiscordianX is good
20:10.58DiscordianI rarely use vts anymore
20:11.03wethrinIt's a good way of running lots of xterms
20:11.52DiscordianI went over to X in 1995
20:11.56DiscordianI think
20:14.08DiscordianI shall go to the meet on the 15th
20:14.34DiscordianI doubt I know anyone now though from when I used to go
20:14.41secretlondongood good
20:14.53Discordianmurbs in benelux these days
20:15.05secretlondonwell you'll know people from irc
20:15.29Discordiandoes Colin still go (spudulike)?
20:17.09DiscordianI'm not sure in all honesty I could walk up to some one and say hi I'm discordian
20:17.33secretlondonwell you can to me
20:17.37DiscordianI ran the channel meets on t'other place for 10 years
20:17.49secretlondoni'll be the girl with the long fair hair
20:17.53Discordianand always used my real world name
20:19.38Discordianokay
20:20.32Discordianbeen while since I went to a meet
20:20.47Discordianis there any chance of wifi access?
20:21.09wethrinunlikely. Even if Westminster had wifi, we don't have access to it
20:21.23Discordianwired access?
20:21.49wethrinNope
20:22.11Discordianokay I shall leave my laptop at home
20:22.15wethrinWe don't have access to computer labs any more
20:22.42DiscordianOh last time I went there was access
20:23.47wethrinThat was more than a few years ago, then
20:23.59Discordianyeah
20:24.25wethrinIt's been about 4 years since we last had any computer lab access
20:24.39DiscordianMy ex kinda stopped me going
20:24.51Discordian4 years sounds about right
20:25.36secretlondonwethrin: we had for the installfest in 06
20:25.49wethrinAh. I wasn't there for that
20:26.00wethrinThere don't seem to be any point in Installfests any more
20:26.18secretlondonit was popular - gave away loads of CDs
20:26.35secretlondonwe tend to preach to the converted a bit
20:26.48wethrinThat's true. Installfests would need a lot of effort put into them now
20:27.08secretlondonconverted = sysadmins
20:27.21secretlondonI mean a lot of stuff is aimed at sysadmins
20:27.34Discordianand I've been a unix sysadmin since 1986
20:27.44secretlondonwethrin: it wasn't that bad, and was less than 18 months ago..
20:27.56wethrinBecause most Gllugers are sysadmins
20:28.10Discordianhowever I'm the SysV side
20:28.28DiscordianSolaris/Fedora/RedHat/centos
20:28.47Discordiannot debian/ubuntu
20:29.38etorixi keep meaning to install from this solaris dvd
20:30.43secretlondonI'm a desktop person I think
20:30.52secretlondonIf I must choose a category
20:30.56wethrinI hate computers, if I must choose
20:31.04Discordiani've also used linux as my desktop since 1995
20:37.19DiscordianI learned to program at age 13
20:37.31Discordianall I ever wanted to do
20:37.48secretlondonaged 9 here, got given an acorn electron for christmas
20:37.56secretlondonwanted to make games like elite
20:38.00DiscordianI'm much older
20:38.05secretlondonI know
20:38.22Discordianthere were no personal computers when I was a kid
20:38.56secretlondonI'm sure
20:39.42DiscordianMy first computer was a pocket computer thingy
20:39.52Discordianprogrammed in BASIC
20:40.01Discordianfrom Sharp
20:40.09Discordianwhole 1K of RAM
20:40.29secretlondon:)
20:41.00Discordianafter which I bought a really old PDP-8/L
20:41.07Discordianand teletype
20:41.40Discordianand shortly after a ZX81
20:41.57secretlondonI read about these russian 8 bit machines from the 1980s which were simlar to those and who ran FOCAL
20:42.10wethrinSharp MZ-80K FTW!
20:42.14DiscordianI coded in FOCAL
20:42.37Discordianexcellent language
20:42.53DiscordianI was doing an accountancy qualification
20:43.03secretlondonnot played with but I bet there is an interpreter for it in the repos somewhere
20:43.04Discordianneeded some financial tables
20:43.15DiscordianI coded my own
20:43.34Discordianand printed em on my PDP-8/teletype
20:44.09DiscordianFocal is available in the retro-computing museum
20:44.30DiscordianThe lecturer had to concede my tables were good
20:46.23DiscordianMy parents were just unhappy that it took 48 hours to print em
20:47.49secretlondon:)
20:48.07Discordiansimh has a pdp-8 emulator
20:48.22Discordianthere's focal-8 for that too
20:48.34wethrinyes, but the fun is in the hardware
20:49.13DiscordianThe PDP-8 and ASR-33 were in the lounge
20:49.23DiscordianThey get a bit miffed
20:49.33Discordians/get/got/
20:51.37secretlondoni think my lounge needs a rack for the ambience
20:51.42secretlondonor maybe a mainframe
20:52.15DiscordianA mainframe?
20:52.18DiscordianNice
20:52.40DiscordianCan you afford the power bills?
20:53.12secretlondonno!
20:53.37Discordianquite so
20:53.44secretlondonit'd probably end up being an ornament
20:53.57Discordianlol
20:54.32DiscordianMy rack has synths in it
21:49.39secretlondontwin view looks silly with screens of different resolutions
21:49.59Discordianaye
22:01.48secretlondonoh chuntex is the full name of ctx - the brand of the 19inch monitor
22:01.53secretlondonnvidia-settings thinks both monitors are called chuntex though
22:02.23Discordianstrange name
22:03.37secretlondontaiwanese
22:04.00secretlondonFor over 25 years now, Chuntex Electronic Co. Ltd., has manufactured exceptionally high quality monitors under the CTX name, and for OEM.
22:04.13wethrinExceptionally high quality? HA
22:04.18DiscordianOh right
22:04.33DiscordianI've a CTX
22:07.35secretlondonwell I suppose if they were gonna make a 3 letter name from chuntex ctx isn't bad
22:07.51Discordianaye
22:08.06secretlondonafter all there is CUN and UNT in there
22:19.56secretlondoni have two separate screens now - much better
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22:27.07DiscordianI used to run my pces dual head
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22:45.44secretlondonrehi
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23:32.35Discordianwb
23:32.46secretlondonty
23:33.13DiscordianX working?
23:33.41secretlondonyes that's fine now, now trying to import keys to my laptop and faffing around with seahorse
23:34.37DiscordianI dunno what seahorse is
23:37.23Discordiansome ssh thing?
23:43.37secretlondonyeah gnome ssh thing
23:43.43secretlondongonna have another go
23:43.46Discordianahhh okay]
23:44.02secretlondoni need to unplug the modem to stick my usb pen drive in
23:44.13secretlondon(yes i know this needs sorting)
23:44.19DiscordianOh I see
23:44.40Discordiansounds a tad painful
23:49.53halicurry good!
23:49.59halifrom kushbu
23:50.10z00daxwhere is that ?
23:50.23haliend of brick lane
23:50.42z00daxhumm ok
23:50.42halisouth side
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23:55.24secretlondoni think I have success
23:55.36secretlondonthe answer is to ignore the "export key" stuff
23:55.55secretlondoncopy the .gnupg folder, and copy and paste your private key into a text file

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