| 00:04.35 | z00dax | we should all get together and run a co-op styled DC |
| 00:06.00 | wethrin | DCs are expensive to build |
| 00:06.57 | Discordian | and to run |
| 00:07.07 | Discordian | at least in london |
| 00:11.10 | Discordian | i always wanted to run an internet bistro |
| 00:11.32 | Discordian | in brighton or on the coast |
| 00:12.52 | Discordian | bit of web hosting on the side |
| 00:15.16 | Nafallo | MANC |
| 00:15.35 | Nafallo | cheap DCs |
| 00:16.08 | wethrin | Yes, but they might run off with your computer |
| 00:16.31 | Discordian | Thats the pool |
| 00:17.02 | Discordian | i like manc |
| 00:17.28 | Discordian | wouldn't mind living and working there |
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| 03:55.10 | miltiadis21 | time is running out |
| 03:56.07 | Leeds | for? |
| 04:19.41 | miltiadis21 | for no reason |
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| 04:44.17 | secretlondon | morning |
| 04:45.46 | Leeds | afternoon |
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| 10:21.07 | popey | morning |
| 10:21.18 | popey | secretlondon: good work on the bugs, you're a bug triaging machine! |
| 10:21.42 | secretlondon | thanks! |
| 10:21.42 | secretlondon | been awake since 4 |
| 10:30.46 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 10:31.15 | cpufreak | anyone doign software raid 1, with a linux distribution with kernel circa 2.6.22, on systmes with nvidia nforce chipsets? |
| 10:33.31 | cpufreak | i.e. x2200s or similar |
| 10:34.49 | bilarh | cpufreak: didn't we do that? |
| 10:35.11 | bilarh | cpufreak: we used md as far as i can recall |
| 10:35.21 | bilarh | as the chipset itself didn't have support under linux |
| 10:35.53 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 10:36.01 | cpufreak | it was fine with 2.6.17 |
| 10:36.18 | cpufreak | but we migrated everything to 2.6.22 recently upgrading from edgy to gutsy (ubuntu releases) |
| 10:36.55 | bilarh | ah |
| 10:37.07 | cpufreak | and I suspect strongly there's an incompatibility |
| 10:40.50 | secretlondon | cpufreak: you try searching for bugs on launchpad |
| 10:41.04 | cpufreak | its probably not been "discovered yet" |
| 10:41.10 | cpufreak | as it only occurs with pretty high load |
| 10:41.28 | cpufreak | and my levels of pretty high load are probably higher than most peoples |
| 10:48.02 | huw-l | cpufreak: if it's an x2200 make sure you have the latest BIOS from SUN. We had problems with one of our x-series boxes recently where we started getting weird SATA problems that caused the RAID1 to not re-synch on boot. BIOS upgrade fixed it |
| 10:48.18 | huw-l | this was after a kernel upgrade |
| 10:48.24 | huw-l | but centos not ubuntu |
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| 11:56.19 | Ch0Hag | Why do they always ask if they can put you on hold? |
| 11:56.27 | Ch0Hag | How else will they transfer you to another line? |
| 12:00.51 | etorix | its a polite muzak-warning |
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| 13:20.02 | secretlondon | arrgh modem overheated |
| 13:20.11 | secretlondon | it was RED hot - and disconnected itself :( |
| 13:43.15 | Nafallo | secretlondon: stop downloading porn |
| 13:43.47 | secretlondon | too many bugs today, clearly |
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| 13:52.07 | bilarh | dick_turpin! |
| 13:52.33 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Mwahaha |
| 13:52.49 | bilarh | indeed! |
| 13:54.04 | boudiccas | tada |
| 13:54.22 | bilarh | and boudiccas too! |
| 13:54.46 | boudiccas | sounds nice. who brews it? |
| 13:54.48 | bilarh | boudiccas: don't you dare run off to do your psycho shit! ;-) |
| 13:55.02 | dick_turpin | Nutter |
| 13:55.31 | boudiccas | i do need to be doing my project it hs to be handed in at the end of March and i havent really started it yet |
| 13:55.32 | etorix | tommy nutter makes suits, not beer |
| 13:55.37 | boudiccas | *has |
| 13:55.48 | bilarh | i've got a TMA due on the 27th |
| 13:56.00 | boudiccas | tma?? |
| 13:56.00 | bilarh | completely out of character, but it's almost done! |
| 13:56.07 | bilarh | tutored marked assignment |
| 13:56.11 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
| 13:56.33 | bilarh | it's the open uni's equivalent of course work i think |
| 13:56.37 | dick_turpin | Nutter = insane = boudiccas's psycho course |
| 13:56.37 | boudiccas | bilarh, what are you studying?? |
| 13:56.55 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, i'm already certifiable |
| 13:57.02 | bilarh | boudiccaS: at the moment it's open source development tools and "putting computer systems to work" (== c programming) |
| 13:57.15 | dick_turpin | I know I have the bite marks to prove it |
| 13:57.18 | boudiccas | ah, with the OU??? |
| 13:57.18 | bilarh | the open source development tools is mainly about php it seem |
| 13:57.20 | bilarh | a |
| 13:57.20 | bilarh | s |
| 13:57.26 | bilarh | boudiccas: yes |
| 13:58.25 | secretlondon | i don't have the discipline |
| 13:58.29 | bilarh | secretlondon: mt262? |
| 13:58.46 | secretlondon | I can't remember |
| 13:58.47 | bilarh | i've been doing it for years by now to be honest |
| 13:58.54 | secretlondon | T something |
| 13:59.02 | bilarh | hopefully 2009 will be my final year for my bsc hons |
| 13:59.10 | bilarh | i could get a bsc already, but i want the hons :) |
| 13:59.19 | bilarh | i don't know what the difference actually is, but still |
| 13:59.43 | bilarh | don't know what i'll be doing with all my free time after 2009 |
| 14:00.05 | bilarh | the sucky thing about doing ou courses is that they run all through summer |
| 14:00.25 | secretlondon | you could always start on an msc |
| 14:00.36 | bilarh | they should run from sept to june i think, like normal courses... like who wants to be stuck inside studying over summer |
| 14:00.44 | bilarh | in winter you can't do anything sensible outside anyway |
| 14:00.45 | tink044 | I've just started a part-time evening bsc comp-sci at westminster uni.... i now just work and study... beginning to lose the will to live. |
| 14:00.46 | bilarh | imo |
| 14:01.27 | bilarh | secretlondon: yeah i suppose, but to be honest, I a) don't know what to do an msc in, and b) not sure i have the motivation |
| 14:01.38 | bilarh | i'll be 30 when i graduate, which is quite scary |
| 14:01.48 | secretlondon | i'm 33 - scary |
| 14:02.05 | bilarh | i sometimes feel like i've had no free time in my 20's because of bloody studies all the time, and i have nothing to show for it |
| 14:02.08 | tink044 | I'm 30.... today :-( |
| 14:02.21 | bilarh | tink: what literally today? :D congrats in that case :) |
| 14:02.30 | bilarh | or commiserations |
| 14:02.34 | secretlondon | i often feel i've achieved nothing since the late 90s |
| 14:02.42 | tink044 | Yeppers... thanks... I think i'm too young to be 30 something though |
| 14:03.07 | bilarh | 30 sounds so old |
| 14:03.14 | bilarh | but it's like 1.5 years away for me |
| 14:03.24 | bilarh | i think i'm gonna have a major age crisis |
| 14:03.24 | tink044 | Ohh and I have a maths exam this evening.... on call all week and working all saturday :P-) |
| 14:03.43 | bilarh | i seemt to have one every few months |
| 14:04.04 | bilarh | how long is your course? |
| 14:04.14 | bilarh | secretlondon: you've reported / fixed loads of linux bugs :D |
| 14:04.18 | tink044 | 4 Years |
| 14:04.28 | bilarh | tink: *eek* |
| 14:04.50 | bilarh | i hope that i'm living somewhere else in four years time |
| 14:05.01 | bilarh | like canada, HK or australia or something |
| 14:05.30 | bilarh | the people i work for have openings in nigeria at the moment, but i'm not that tempted by that :) |
| 14:05.35 | secretlondon | I look at what i'm supposed to have achieved by 33 and have none of it |
| 14:05.48 | secretlondon | unemployed, single, living in social housing |
| 14:06.00 | secretlondon | I have a degree, but doesn't really help |
| 14:06.31 | bilarh | secretlondon: for some reason i thought you worked for a uni |
| 14:06.36 | secretlondon | no |
| 14:07.11 | secretlondon | i've no idea what I am even employable for |
| 14:07.16 | bilarh | secretlondon: what kind of things would you want to work with? |
| 14:07.32 | secretlondon | I don't know |
| 14:07.43 | secretlondon | I quite like QA |
| 14:07.44 | secretlondon | but I've got a BA |
| 14:07.57 | tink044 | You're in a gllug list though... doesn't that suggest at least a linux sysadmin? |
| 14:08.01 | bilarh | qa as for software? |
| 14:08.12 | secretlondon | yes |
| 14:08.36 | bilarh | i'm sure you don't need a bsc for that... some of the worst people to test their code have been programmers i've worked with |
| 14:08.45 | secretlondon | I don't think i'm good enough for someone to pay me to be a sysadmin |
| 14:08.57 | tink044 | erm... |
| 14:09.03 | bilarh | secretlondon: heh, don't put yourself down like that... |
| 14:09.24 | tink044 | I know a place that will employ people who show enthusiasm, but know no more the 'ls' |
| 14:09.26 | tink044 | if that |
| 14:09.34 | secretlondon | but you need experience - I have Ubuntu big squad but.. |
| 14:09.58 | secretlondon | bug squad |
| 14:09.58 | secretlondon | really? |
| 14:10.49 | secretlondon | well if they want a linux nerd |
| 14:11.08 | bilarh | secretlondon: in fact, the fact that you're involved with linux would probably put you in the camp of people who actually have a clue |
| 14:11.15 | bilarh | that camp in sysadmining is smaller than you'd think |
| 14:11.19 | bilarh | in my experience |
| 14:11.33 | tink044 | You 'd be surprised, there are many companies that employ juniors say in soho... with the idea that they will learn quickly... framestore/dneg/mpc |
| 14:12.07 | bilarh | secretlondon: apply directly to companies, that way they can test you out without paying outrageous agency fees... works best with small companies, i think |
| 14:12.28 | secretlondon | but how do you know who to apply to? |
| 14:12.35 | bilarh | mailbomb :) |
| 14:12.53 | bilarh | or call them up |
| 14:13.12 | bilarh | you're a woman, so i'll make a little assumption that you've got a bigger gift of the gob than most male sysadmins |
| 14:13.16 | tink044 | Direct, look at an industry say visual effects, get a list of 5 companies and mail their HR department or looks at their jobs pages |
| 14:13.19 | bilarh | give them a ring and ask if they've got positions |
| 14:13.41 | bilarh | if you call them, you'll sound sociable and they'll probably like that because you'll stand out |
| 14:14.01 | tink044 | Reet... work.. Have a good day all. |
| 14:14.10 | secretlondon | yeah |
| 14:14.18 | bilarh | what the hell is wrong with my typing today, that's what i want to know |
| 14:14.19 | secretlondon | I basically don't know the 'game' |
| 14:14.22 | bilarh | lag city to my home pc |
| 14:14.38 | secretlondon | my modem has conked out repeatedly today |
| 14:14.44 | bilarh | give a couple of companies a call, after the first five or six it stops being scary :) |
| 14:15.59 | secretlondon | thanks |
| 14:19.24 | bilarh | secretlondon: i think the main thing is figuring out what you want to do, so that you can focus on getting it... i.e. set yourself a goal that is realistic (but don't sell yourself short!) |
| 14:21.31 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, and did you learn anything by studying the oracle of your fluff??? :) |
| 14:22.47 | bilarh | maybe we could all study the veins on the top of dick_turpin's head for clues about the future... they're easily observable... |
| 14:26.20 | boudiccas | :) |
| 14:26.43 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yes, I shall now study the contents of toe nails |
| 14:27.20 | dick_turpin | popey: You there? |
| 14:29.36 | boudiccas | popey for president!!! |
| 14:30.30 | dick_turpin | Check out the all new singing and dancing UK Linux user group site http://lug.org.uk/ |
| 14:30.46 | secretlondon | he twittered about that earkier |
| 14:31.15 | dick_turpin | secretlondon: Ah well you know me, better late than never |
| 14:31.20 | boudiccas | what dance does it do? i like the rumba and the samba |
| 14:31.29 | popey | it does the dad-dance |
| 14:31.32 | dick_turpin | popey: Love the new site |
| 14:31.36 | popey | thanks dick_turpin |
| 14:32.23 | dick_turpin | popey: serious, I think its uber smart, lean clean and pretty nippy |
| 14:32.45 | popey | I shall pass your comments on to the team |
| 14:33.37 | dick_turpin | popey: You're blog write up only just hit my feed reader |
| 14:38.40 | bilarh | boudiccas: i went to some jazz gig yesterday and they played some rumba... what a bloody racket! |
| 14:39.12 | bilarh | i didn't get the jazz thing at all, it was just *noise* |
| 14:39.43 | boudiccas | bilarh, when played nicely a rumba is good, witness the band playing a rumba in the film 'The Mask' but especially mixed with jazz [which i dont like] it would be atrocious |
| 14:41.16 | bilarh | boudiccas: hmm i never got the "mask" thing either... :-) |
| 14:49.35 | boudiccas | bilarh, the mask was originally made for Loki, the norse god of mischief and whoever wore the mask became very mischievous and had a personality change |
| 14:50.03 | boudiccas | and could do semi-magical things with wonderous powers, all part of the joke of the mask |
| 14:51.23 | bilarh | oh right... loke the little bugger :) |
| 14:58.15 | secretlondon | acpi? |
| 15:00.22 | hali | very likely |
| 15:18.07 | bilarh | bordi bordi |
| 15:21.45 | tink044 | http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9874297-39.html Google pony up for Photoshop-in-wine |
| 15:24.19 | wethrin | Ooh, so finally Linux can have a decent arty program? |
| 15:27.23 | secretlondon | krita is quite nice, the gimp is lousy |
| 15:27.44 | bilarh | krita means crayon in swedish... coincidence? |
| 15:28.19 | secretlondon | yeah |
| 15:28.50 | secretlondon | picasa is really ugly - stuff run under wine always looks crap |
| 15:29.59 | antiphase | You mean something actually runs under wine without crashing or otherwise not behaving as intended? |
| 15:30.30 | bilarh | cross over office actually works quite well |
| 15:31.37 | wethrin | antiphase: Lotus Notes 4 worked fine under Wine |
| 15:32.02 | tink044 | We use photoshop in vmware... 2GB psd's work like a dream |
| 15:32.51 | antiphase | Lotus Notes sounds like a compelling reason to avoid it like the Plague |
| 15:32.59 | secretlondon | me neither. gimp fanboys say it is better despite everyone arguing to the contrary |
| 15:33.07 | wethrin | antiphase: Better than Exchange |
| 15:33.14 | wethrin | It was a company standard |
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| 15:33.43 | wethrin | People can get used to a UI. That's not so much of a problem. However, Gimp lacks features Photoshop has |
| 15:33.53 | secretlondon | the gimp looks and feels like it was designed by and for programmers |
| 15:33.59 | wethrin | Yup |
| 15:34.11 | antiphase | You could say that about most O/S software I think |
| 15:34.23 | secretlondon | inkscape is cute |
| 15:34.32 | wethrin | true |
| 15:34.37 | antiphase | Esoteric features and bells and whistles are much more important than usability |
| 15:34.42 | wethrin | But then they whine when Joe Public doesn't use it |
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| 15:42.02 | secretlondon | companies house apparently uses "an old mainframe computer" |
| 15:42.39 | secretlondon | which they replacing with new shiny |
| 15:43.26 | secretlondon | http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/chips1.shtml |
| 15:45.27 | tink044 | *shudder* I hope it goes well.... |
| 15:45.41 | antiphase | Presumably it will be replaced by an expensive and badly-implemented white elephant if the Govt. have been involved at all |
| 16:00.57 | secretlondon | With the help of LogicaCMG...from their |
| 16:00.58 | secretlondon | soon to be de-commissioning Fujitsu Mainframe to a more cost effective and powerful |
| 16:00.58 | secretlondon | Sun Microsystems multi-tier, web based Client/Server system |
| 16:01.57 | secretlondon | http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solution-soft.com%2Fcasestudies%2FLogicaCMG_TM.pdf&ei=yJ-9R7waiszRBIuwyLgN&usg=AFQjCNFcgyNOWDaFhHPfxUBmwEwv3hthiQ&sig2=wQPkIWMsRWE7eR3tWkGBZg |
| 16:03.55 | secretlondon | The agency has been subject to criticism after delays to the implementation of the Companies House Information Processing System led to the write-off of £12.1 million over two years and delays to the implementation of parts of the Companies Act 2006. |
| 16:04.06 | secretlondon | that sounds much more like it.. |
| 16:35.33 | Discordian | heh |
| 16:35.52 | Discordian | I'd have to be bored too |
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| 17:54.36 | secretlondon | been up since 4am |
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| 18:15.47 | z00dax | secretlondon: egad! |
| 18:15.51 | z00dax | 4am ? |
| 18:15.59 | z00dax | what were you doing at such an obscure hour of the night |
| 18:16.11 | secretlondon | yeah - I don't have any sort of routine |
| 18:16.18 | secretlondon | so I wake and sleep at random times |
| 18:52.09 | secretlondon | night |
| 19:13.40 | etorix | wo, gazzer sectioned |
| 19:13.40 | etorix | nutter |
| 19:13.40 | Armand | ?_? |
| 19:13.40 | antiphase | ITYM Gazza |
| 19:13.53 | Discordian | paul gascoigne |
| 19:14.01 | Discordian | a footballer I believe |
| 19:14.14 | Armand | Oh.. that idiot. |
| 19:14.18 | Armand | shit happens |
| 19:14.55 | Discordian | Takes a lot to get sectioned under S13 of the mental health act |
| 19:15.16 | Armand | 1. Crying in public. |
| 19:15.29 | Armand | 2. Losing a critical match for England. |
| 19:15.37 | Armand | 3. Being a fat alcoholic. |
| 19:15.41 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 19:15.48 | Discordian | hardly |
| 19:15.55 | Armand | hehe |
| 19:17.08 | Armand | After repeatedly failing for his country.. I lost interest. |
| 19:17.23 | Discordian | i have no interest in sport |
| 19:17.24 | Armand | But then.. that sums up my feeling for the whole game. >_< |
| 19:18.39 | Armand | I stopped even caring about football after Arsenal's hardcore fail.. |
| 19:19.00 | Armand | "oh-noes.. Henry left, we can't win!!" |
| 19:19.06 | Armand | ffs. |
| 19:23.44 | antiphase | Football is shite |
| 19:24.17 | Armand | these days, yes.. |
| 19:26.03 | Discordian | I think I've played table tennis |
| 19:26.13 | Discordian | it's okay |
| 19:26.20 | boudiccas | its a good game and fun to play. |
| 19:26.38 | boudiccas | i play in the summer league in my club, not good enough for the winter league |
| 19:26.59 | boudiccas | yet! but my game is improving so i may get picked this winter |
| 19:27.21 | Discordian | It's an olympic sport isn't it? |
| 19:27.28 | boudiccas | i beleive so |
| 19:27.36 | boudiccas | *believe |
| 19:28.15 | boudiccas | requires good eye to hand coordination |
| 19:28.35 | Discordian | which i singularly lack |
| 19:29.05 | boudiccas | i bet you've got more than you credit yourself with! Most people have |
| 19:29.29 | Discordian | I don't at all trust me |
| 19:30.34 | Discordian | It's why I play with computers |
| 19:30.49 | boudiccas | Discordian, do you play tennis?? |
| 19:30.59 | Discordian | I used to yes |
| 19:31.15 | boudiccas | there you go then, eye to hand coordination |
| 19:31.34 | boudiccas | table tennis is just on a smaller scale and faster |
| 19:32.07 | Discordian | I used to do badminton too |
| 19:32.32 | boudiccas | even better, you need good brain to eye to hand cooridination for that |
| 19:32.43 | boudiccas | *coordination |
| 19:32.49 | Discordian | Long time ago |
| 19:33.21 | boudiccas | a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since, but you can still regain and hone the skills |
| 19:33.45 | Discordian | perhaps not, I'm diabetic |
| 19:34.11 | boudiccas | i took up table tennis two years ago after no tplaying for more than 25 years, except for the odd knock about in the social club |
| 19:34.48 | boudiccas | Discordian, if you want to do it, you'll find a way round your problems |
| 19:34.49 | Discordian | i probably could try table tennis again |
| 19:35.17 | boudiccas | there may be a club near you which would welcome you with open arms. mine did me |
| 19:35.25 | Discordian | board games/quizes are more my thing |
| 19:35.59 | boudiccas | ditto, but i like table tennis. its very relaxing as you're concentrating solely on the ball |
| 19:36.14 | Discordian | Must join the book circle |
| 19:36.25 | boudiccas | and getting it back over the net to my advantage and they're disadvantage |
| 19:38.44 | Discordian | i doubt the local working persons's club would let me |
| 19:38.46 | Discordian | in |
| 19:39.48 | boudiccas | i've never been in one so i dont know about them, cant therefore comment |
| 19:40.11 | Discordian | me neither |
| 19:42.11 | Discordian | Actually I take that back |
| 19:42.21 | Discordian | I went to one for a wake once |
| 19:44.15 | Discordian | My ex's grandads wake |
| 19:44.23 | Discordian | I didn't know him |
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| 20:35.34 | Discordian | Re |
| 20:52.43 | Ch0Hag | Can (should) a helm of brilliance be enchanted from +4 to +5? |
| 20:52.48 | Ch0Hag | Or might it blow it up? |
| 20:53.18 | Discordian | i don't ujnderstand the question? |
| 20:53.27 | Ch0Hag | This is #gllug isn't it? |
| 20:53.37 | Discordian | Yes |
| 20:53.50 | Ch0Hag | I'm always doing that. |
| 20:54.02 | Discordian | You must be talking about some game |
| 21:01.28 | boudiccas | Everquest??? |
| 21:01.57 | Discordian | i have no idea, I'm not a gamer |
| 21:04.39 | Ch0Hag | NetHack. |
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