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| 07:59.43 | bilarh | morning |
| 08:11.47 | hali | yo |
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| 10:08.42 | bilarh | *STAB* |
| 10:09.08 | bilarh | why the **** do people modify sendmail.cf by hand when there's a ****ing sendmail.mc to modify and then m4? |
| 10:09.26 | bilarh | now i can't modify the mc file because i don't know what they've manually patched into .cf |
| 10:09.31 | bilarh | cunts |
| 10:16.57 | keith | thats foul... can't you take the m4 .cf output & diff it against the liver version (sorry if I'm stating the bleedin obvious) |
| 10:18.45 | bilarh | yeah that's what i'll be doing |
| 10:18.50 | bilarh | it's just that it's annoying as fuck :) |
| 10:22.26 | keith | I sympathise... I had to do the same a few years ago, and was a 'messy' network |
| 10:27.15 | hali | hm |
| 10:27.19 | hali | i would uninstall sendmail :) |
| 10:27.24 | hali | and install postfix |
| 10:27.28 | hali | or exim or whatnot |
| 10:29.27 | keith | may not be an option - much as I like postfix I don't think it is as flexible wrt address re-writing |
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| 12:04.01 | antiphase | Exim is completely flexible. Learn it and you'll never need another MTA again :) |
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| 12:43.37 | keith | Maybe so... I went from managing sendmail in a largish setup to postfix. Never had the need to look elsewhere after that. Imust admit I still use sendmail, but only undernesth a Scalis install |
| 12:52.29 | z00dax | hummm HP openmail lives on |
| 12:52.53 | z00dax | but yea, i agree with antiphase Exim is, so far, the best real replacement for sendmail |
| 12:53.06 | keith | indeed - got a much shinier front end these days |
| 12:53.07 | z00dax | kinda like sendmail = cvs, postfix = svn, but exim == git :D |
| 12:53.12 | z00dax | not the best comparison |
| 12:54.06 | keith | sendmail is more like programming in machine code! |
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| 13:31.52 | Ch0Hag | How do these people remember how to breathe? |
| 13:31.57 | Ch0Hag | "Make sure a cable goes from socket no. 5 to the switch and make sure the light is on." |
| 13:32.02 | Ch0Hag | "There are no lights in the cupboard." |
| 13:32.05 | Ch0Hag | "There have to be otherwise nobody is on the network." |
| 13:32.10 | Ch0Hag | "Well there's this thing at the bottem with lights flashing." |
| 13:32.14 | Ch0Hag | "Yes. Make sure a cable goes from no. 5 to that." |
| 13:32.17 | Ch0Hag | "I don't know what you mean." |
| 13:33.14 | Ch0Hag | Now I have to go to Dorking to plug a bloody cable in. |
| 13:33.33 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; lol |
| 13:33.39 | Ch0Hag | This is not exactly what I envisioned when I was planning my life at 10. |
| 13:33.46 | antiphase | Presumably some patience and explanation would save you tre trip |
| 13:34.15 | keith | get them to take a pic with their mob phone & email it to you... you annotate & email back? |
| 13:34.35 | Ch0Hag | Yes, quite. I'd be happy to wait, but she got fed up. |
| 13:35.01 | Ch0Hag | Bunch of retards. |
| 13:35.17 | Ch0Hag | I can't wait until I can get a proper job and ditch these idiots. |
| 13:35.31 | Ch0Hag | I don't think I'll ever do anything remotely hinting at tech support again. |
| 13:35.54 | Ch0Hag | I should never have suggested my teacher plug the computer in to make it work in primary school. |
| 13:36.29 | Ch0Hag | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Could-You-Explain-Programming-Please.aspx |
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| 13:38.56 | antiphase | Any Windoze-lusing chump can do support, leave the chumps to it and do something else :) |
| 13:39.49 | Ch0Hag | Yeah I'm working on it. |
| 13:40.03 | Ch0Hag | Unfortunately due to a rash of bad decisions and an over-dependence on weed in my youth, my CV is crap. |
| 13:43.22 | dick_turpin | But this is the stuff of sysadmin you are going to get this over and over again |
| 13:43.27 | Ch0Hag | (The former meaning I always seem to work for idiots, the latter that the one time I didn't I was smoking too much and ruined it) |
| 13:44.02 | Ch0Hag | dick_turpin: Seems like it's generally a choice between that and PHP developer. |
| 13:44.43 | dick_turpin | But even as a PHP developer you will get "How do I do that then?" |
| 13:45.11 | Ch0Hag | I'd rather be a binman that a PHP developer. |
| 13:45.17 | Ch0Hag | At least you get out in the (mostly) fresh air. |
| 13:46.01 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Why have you not taken that bag by my bin? (See you just cant escape it) |
| 13:46.15 | Ch0Hag | Government regulations. |
| 13:46.33 | bilarh | at the end of the day, you always have to deal with idiots in any job |
| 13:46.39 | bilarh | because most people are idiots |
| 13:47.22 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yep you're correct |
| 13:47.25 | zmey_g | bilarh: that was powerful |
| 13:47.40 | bilarh | dick_turpin: :D |
| 13:47.51 | bilarh | zmey_g: don't know about powerful... rude maybe :P |
| 13:47.57 | bilarh | it's what i do best |
| 13:47.58 | Ch0Hag | I have a position here which, it turns out, is for BUPA. |
| 13:48.03 | zmey_g | i even checked my medical history. |
| 13:48.05 | bilarh | usually, in a conversation, i'm the idiot |
| 13:48.17 | Ch0Hag | The agancy has sent me a sheet on which I must fill out the job specification as well as my suitability for it. |
| 13:48.20 | bilarh | ch0hag: stay away from anything health like |
| 13:48.32 | bilarh | is my completely biased opinion |
| 13:48.43 | Ch0Hag | How have you reached that? |
| 13:49.17 | bilarh | they'll be scared to death about people suing them, and hence H&S will be a complete pain in the arse in the whole org |
| 13:49.29 | bilarh | probably lots of paper shifting |
| 13:49.36 | bilarh | i might be wrong btw :P |
| 13:49.42 | bilarh | i'm just speculating without any evidence what so ever |
| 13:49.53 | Ch0Hag | H&S? |
| 13:49.54 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: if you ever find a job give me a call. i will join you. |
| 13:50.02 | bilarh | ch0hag: health and safety |
| 13:50.06 | Ch0Hag | Oh right. That. |
| 13:50.17 | Ch0Hag | Bollocks to Health and Safety. |
| 13:50.24 | bilarh | ch0hag: the curse of workers all over the uk |
| 13:50.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh: bilarh WTF are you babbling on about? |
| 13:50.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: forgot your reading glasses at home, grand dad? ;) |
| 13:50.56 | Ch0Hag | Shall I lie and say I use RedHat? |
| 13:51.15 | Ch0Hag | It's got to suck about as much as the last time I did so. |
| 13:51.20 | bilarh | ch0hag: if it's a requirement, i'd do it :) |
| 13:51.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh: FO you Swedish poof |
| 13:51.35 | antiphase | Everyone should be allowed to climb greasy ladders to do their own electrical work |
| 13:51.37 | bilarh | dick_turpin: hehe :D |
| 13:52.07 | bilarh | antiphase: if they want to hurt themselves, yes |
| 13:52.26 | dick_turpin | antiphase: When I was in Turkey a couple years back saw a bloke try to pick up a Pylon cable with his bare hands |
| 13:52.27 | bilarh | antiphase: i have a problem with h&s when it stops me doing my job and/or endangers other people |
| 13:52.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You just turning up for work endangers people |
| 13:52.58 | antiphase | There's something a bit fucked when safety regs endanger people ;) |
| 13:53.02 | bilarh | antiphase: such as "you must have this form signed off for lifting a floor tile in the server room", or "you are not allowed to lift more than 4 tiles at a time" etc etc |
| 13:53.11 | bilarh | dick_turpin: yaeh, but aside from that |
| 13:53.28 | zmey_g | i used to thought i'm only one here looking for a job. yo! |
| 13:53.29 | Ch0Hag | I know, I'll cheat. |
| 13:53.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh: See a clever man would use those rules to get out of doing stuff |
| 13:53.44 | Ch0Hag | Since I have to list the specs I'll just list Linux instead of RedHat Linux. |
| 13:54.08 | hali | i almost broke my back earlier today lugging around a v490 on my own |
| 13:54.09 | bilarh | antiphase: or when i went to some h&s training and the trainer said that if an ambulance crew come to a heart attack victim(?), they are not allowed to lift him if he weighs more than 13 stone, because it's against h&s law.. they must wait for another crew to get there |
| 13:54.13 | bilarh | antiphase: etc etc |
| 13:54.20 | hali | i should sue the company |
| 13:54.31 | bilarh | dick_turpin: but that's the thing, i don't *want* to get out of doing it :P |
| 13:54.34 | antiphase | Fat bastard deserved it if he's more than 13 stone |
| 13:54.59 | Ch0Hag | I heard a rumour, likely true as the source is reliable, that a man had a heart attack on the street outside Kingston Hospital and died because the ambulance didn't arrive in time. |
| 13:55.18 | zmey_g | bilarh: how do they measure the wait of a dead body? |
| 13:55.39 | antiphase | With a clock |
| 13:56.19 | dick_turpin | I used to get £5.00 a body for measuring them for the local funeral parlour |
| 13:57.11 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: Oh - we are colleagues than. |
| 13:57.15 | Ch0Hag | Why do they bother to ask you how good you are at something? |
| 13:57.20 | Ch0Hag | Surely every candidate is amazing. |
| 13:57.36 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: In what way? |
| 13:58.09 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Because they want to see if you are a bigger bullshitter than them |
| 13:58.16 | zmey_g | in dealing with undead |
| 13:58.21 | Ch0Hag | Please. They're corporate. |
| 13:58.24 | Ch0Hag | How could I be? |
| 13:58.49 | Ch0Hag | Mind you, being corporate I expect bullshit is an essential job requirement. |
| 13:58.55 | Ch0Hag | I might as well give up now... |
| 13:59.02 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Ah I spend every day dealing with brain deads usually sysadmins :-) |
| 13:59.21 | antiphase | It's usually considered to be useful to be able to do a job if you are going to be employed doing it |
| 13:59.43 | Ch0Hag | antiphase: But why ask? |
| 13:59.46 | bilarh | ch0hag: well, i never say i'm amazing at anything |
| 13:59.46 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: why did you ignore me generous proposal? Yanni Live |
| 14:00.04 | Ch0Hag | Who's going to say "No I can't do that at all"? |
| 14:00.10 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I did you a favour, it was killing your server |
| 14:00.13 | bilarh | ch0hag: but you get bullshitters who say they are experts in everything on their cv and then they can't even answer basic questions about the products etc they've listed |
| 14:00.54 | antiphase | People don't ever fit job descriptions, so they ask what you can do. Seems quite reasonable, and it's almost always flexible |
| 14:01.06 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: yeah. you might be right. i always safer because of my good nature. |
| 14:01.07 | bilarh | ch0hag: you can say stuff like "oh yeah i used to use that for a couple of years... i know my way around it quite well, but i wouldn't say i'm an expert (i consider that to be an expert, you have to be able to write a good reference book on the subject, at least)" |
| 14:01.36 | antiphase | You could just say "I'm a filed reefer head with no self esteem", then get pissed and kill yourself |
| 14:01.52 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Never mind you did me a favour in regards to Banco |
| 14:01.59 | antiphase | Alternativley you could STFU moaning and just get on with applying for stuff ;) |
| 14:02.44 | Ch0Hag | Moaning reminds me that I'm alive. |
| 14:02.55 | Ch0Hag | And keeps my cynycism topped up. |
| 14:04.53 | Ch0Hag | Bastard. |
| 14:05.35 | bilarh | dick_turpin: bloody northerner, can't keep your drinks |
| 14:05.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm a southerner twat! |
| 14:06.03 | bilarh | i have not puked up from alcohol indulgence for more than a year and one month now :D |
| 14:06.17 | bilarh | dick_turpin: ah, what was you doing drinking beer then? should have had a shandy |
| 14:07.02 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Not many people drink what I would call beer these days, its all gassy shit |
| 14:07.24 | bilarh | actually, i had some london pride for the first time a couple of weeks back |
| 14:07.27 | bilarh | it was really quite nice |
| 14:07.39 | hali | yep, and bilarh got quite drunk, i might add |
| 14:07.44 | bilarh | the only problem is that you have to wear slippers and smoke a pipe whilst drinking it |
| 14:08.03 | bilarh | hali: i wasn't *too* bad :) |
| 14:08.16 | hali | not too bad no |
| 14:08.44 | hali | i stayed on the landlord last night, quite nice too |
| 14:09.07 | Ch0Hag | Real ale rocks. |
| 14:09.13 | Ch0Hag | Unfortunately I don't drink any more. |
| 14:15.29 | hali | fortunatly i do |
| 14:15.52 | Ch0Hag | OpenOffice says 'Document does not exist' when it means to say '[Write] permission denied.' |
| 14:16.01 | Ch0Hag | s/.'/'./ |
| 14:16.39 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: fortunately you will drink "samogon" vary soon. and there will be no escape routs. |
| 14:17.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Hows your brother? |
| 14:17.36 | bilarh | dick_turpin: why don't you ask my mum? |
| 14:18.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: But she likes him more than I do, and we both like him more than you :-P |
| 14:18.57 | bilarh | everybody hates me :( |
| 14:19.06 | hali | no, everybody hates chris |
| 14:19.28 | dick_turpin | hali: bilarh's other name is Chris |
| 14:20.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Have you seen the news about that baby polar bear? |
| 14:21.13 | bilarh | dick_turpin: the baby polar bear? |
| 14:21.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm glad to see the Germans are still promoting "Survival of the fittest" |
| 14:22.09 | bilarh | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 14:22.40 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Never mind, the drugs should kick in any minute |
| 14:23.00 | bilarh | i feel funnily drowsy today |
| 14:23.14 | bilarh | i think i might have a quick nap in the car going home today |
| 14:24.35 | dick_turpin | bilarh: http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0761492320080108 |
| 14:27.17 | bilarh | dick_turpin: heh, nice |
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| 15:17.42 | mumper | Hi peoples :) |
| 15:21.02 | zmey_g | hi mumper |
| 15:22.44 | mumper | :zmey_g: I've just awoken from easy days, how're things? :) |
| 15:23.22 | zmey_g | things are ok. |
| 15:26.02 | mumper | :zmey_g Yup - expected. anyone tangle with their local health trust over OS etc? |
| 15:28.23 | zmey_g | everybody here is a tea-total, or AA member. which is the same crap. |
| 15:28.46 | antiphase | Tes is good for you |
| 15:28.54 | antiphase | s/s/a/ |
| 15:29.11 | mumper | zmey_g MOrrire - BEER! |
| 15:30.56 | zmey_g | i can't drink beer without vodka, had a rotten childhood. |
| 15:31.32 | mumper | My imposed diet debars sugar in tea. Result: crap tea. Teapot's nearer than nearest bar, however. Beer without vodka? Sex without woman! |
| 15:32.02 | zmey_g | mumper: you read my mind |
| 15:32.42 | mumper | Yeah, (I didn't quote the other bits ... ) ;) |
| 15:33.33 | zmey_g | yeah. leave it for ibot |
| 15:34.34 | mumper | Mmm. I'll perhaps discuss the matter with SWMBO. In the shower. Or garden .. |
| 15:37.13 | mumper | Oooo, thanks for all that. Having enlivened so many memories from long ago I'll return to sorting out Gramps and other old things ... |
| 15:38.41 | mumper | Oh dear, SWMBO calls. Overheard my words? Dunno - but see y'all! |
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| 17:53.14 | DJ_InstincT | any1 here about any good at rrdgraph and RPN expressions? |
| 17:53.46 | antiphase | RPN isn't particularly difficult |
| 17:55.51 | DJ_InstincT | thats what I thought - i think problem is with how I am using it - keep getting 'ERROR: invalid rpn expression in: totmessages,domain,- ' [just testing] |
| 17:58.21 | DJ_InstincT | ffs - it was reading the blank space :/ :tot=totmessages,domain,-' works tot=totmessages,domain,- ' doesn't - been a long day |
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| 19:17.18 | secretlondon | ello |
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| 20:42.28 | poeloq | hey! |
| 20:43.05 | poeloq | In case anybody is interested: There is going to be a London Wikipedia meetup on coming Saturday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London7 |
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| 21:18.51 | secretlondon | ello |
| 21:19.35 | Discordian | Good evening |
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| 21:38.29 | secretlondon | PussInBoots: Tor looks really unstable for freenode |
| 21:38.43 | secretlondon | PussInBoots:have you tried sshing somewhere, that's what I'm having to do |
| 21:39.01 | secretlondon | my isp block irc, and irc@work etc |
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| 21:41.30 | secretlondon | < secretlondon> PussInBoots: Tor looks really unstable for freenode |
| 21:41.30 | secretlondon | 21:38 < secretlondon> PussInBoots:have you tried sshing somewhere, that's what |
| 21:41.30 | secretlondon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.30 | secretlondon | 21:39 < secretlondon> my isp block irc, and irc@work etc |
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| 21:45.07 | secretlondon | it looks like Puss1nB00ts is actually incommunicdo as well as being anti-socially spammy |
| 21:45.49 | secretlondon | it's probably on autoreconnect |
| 21:45.55 | Discordian | Probably |
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| 21:46.17 | secretlondon | and all traffic on this channel is just it reconnecting, so you kinda know not to bother looking |
| 21:46.40 | Discordian | Yeah |
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| 21:55.54 | secretlondon | another puss account, lets guess whether this one will be mega spammy |
| 21:56.06 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.34 | secretlondon | there was Puss1nB00ts, PussInBoots and now kuesse__ |
| 21:56.46 | *** mode/#gllug [+b *!PussIn*@*tor*] by wethrin |
| 21:56.53 | wethrin | I wonder if that works.... |
| 21:57.02 | secretlondon | thanks |
| 21:57.08 | wethrin | Ah, it didn't ban others :) |
| 21:57.11 | *** join/#gllug kuesse__ (i=PussInBo@gateway/tor/x-bbc2673e5fbf90ae) |
| 21:57.14 | wethrin | Boh! |
| 21:57.19 | secretlondon | and it auto reconnects |
| 21:57.24 | *** join/#gllug morsing (i=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 21:57.28 | *** mode/#gllug [+b *!*PussIn*@*tor*] by wethrin |
| 21:57.37 | morsing | Thanks!!! |
| 21:57.37 | wethrin | What about that, eh? |
| 21:57.39 | *** part/#gllug morsing (i=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 21:57.44 | secretlondon | YAY |
| 22:05.46 | wethrin | There's no return yet.... |
| 22:25.32 | secretlondon | yeah both died |
| 22:25.41 | wethrin | hurrah! |
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| 22:52.54 | Discordian | wb |
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