IRC log for #gllug on 20071215

00:21.13Ch0HagBah some people wind me up.
00:21.22Ch0Hag(In Firefox) "How do I bookmark this page?"
00:23.19Paul_UKomg
00:25.15antiphaseDid you LART them?
00:26.21Ch0HagYes.
00:26.25Ch0HagNot as much as I'd like to though.
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11:37.36Ch0HagHow can I remove any directory which has only hidden files?
11:40.22antiphaserm?
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14:32.24z00daxhello
14:32.39DiscordianLo
14:44.45z00daxhey
14:44.46z00daxhowse it going
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16:14.48Discordianblarg
16:15.54boudiccasmuioew
16:18.09Discordianaye
16:18.47DiscordianI've three interviews Mon/Tues
16:19.07DiscordianGonna be not a lot of fun
16:20.33Paul_UKDiscordian: administration or development
16:20.43DiscordianAdmin
16:21.05Paul_UKsweet, how many months/years exp you got?
16:21.35Discordian11 years linux/solaris sysadmin
16:21.55Discordian4 years other unixes before that
16:22.22Discordianand 9 years Operations analysis before that
16:22.28DiscordianYes I'm old
16:22.32Paul_UKhehe
16:22.45Paul_UKin mysql?
16:22.56DiscordianMySQL since 1999
16:23.01Paul_UKoh wow
16:23.34DiscordianI'm a sysad though
16:23.57DiscordianI couldn't design a website to save my life
16:24.10Paul_UKyeah well they have been bundling dba tasks into sysadm roles for a while now
16:24.27DiscordianI don't mind dba
16:24.43DiscordianIt's when they ask for PHP I worry
16:25.19Discordian(I'm a trained Oracle DBA too)
16:26.36Paul_UKi've seen that in alot of jobs on gumtree lately, whenever they mention linux admin, they expect you to know php as well (sigh)
16:27.27DiscordianNo one would employ me to design webpages
16:27.36Discordianand I always say no
16:28.16antiphaseIt's not real sysadmin if it involves any sort of PHP other than installing PHP on servers
16:28.23Paul_UKyeah
16:28.26DiscordianAye
16:28.32Discordianquite
16:28.51Paul_UKbut i been in interviews where the numbnuts incharge of IT suddenly asks that the position needs a developer and if I can develop
16:29.42DiscordianI'd say politely no and terminate the interview at that point
16:30.07z00daxdepends on how badly you want the job
16:30.15z00daxand if you can actually develop and would want that job instead
16:30.28z00daxa lot of cases these days seem to be where people are looking for sysadmin-developers
16:30.35DiscordianThe first book in the UK on PHP has a dedication to me for installing PHP
16:30.44Paul_UKmy last position, i got them to state over the phone exactly what they wanted and what boxes they had installed.  I once had jumped on me to support NT4 boxes lol.
16:30.44z00daxwhere they need a bridge between the app developers and the infrastructure teams
16:30.49antiphaseaka someone who can neither develop nor sysadmin paticularly well :)
16:30.58z00daxantiphase: not true
16:31.01Paul_UKtoo true
16:31.15DiscordianI started my career as a programmer
16:31.22z00daxi know quite a few people who can write a kernel patch for a iptables function better than most developers around the place.
16:31.27DiscordianBut on old iron
16:31.31z00daxs/people/sysadmins/
16:31.49z00daxalso, a sysadmin who cant script a proper script isnt really worth peanuts in the real world
16:32.14DiscordianWriting a script != developing
16:32.19Paul_UKaye
16:32.26antiphasei'd posit that scripting and in-depth knowledge of your language of choice are somewhat removed from one another
16:32.28z00daxwith python/ruby and proper test driven development actually being usable, the diff is starting to go away
16:32.43z00daxantiphase: sure, to quite an extent. depends on what it is that you are doing.
16:32.49z00daxalso i suppose the idea of development is a bit hazy
16:32.53antiphaseI can write Perl, I'm certainly not a Perl programmer though :)
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16:33.07DiscordianI write perl too
16:33.28z00daxone can even write arrays and fairly complex stuff in bash, there is unit-testing on bash as well ( shunit2 )
16:33.32DiscordianYou wouldn't want to me to write a website in perl
16:34.37DiscordianI deployed my first perl script in 1996
16:34.38z00daxspeaking of sysadmin... whats a decently priced cisco box, that does serial console ?
16:34.47DiscordianIt's still in use
16:35.51antiphaseSorry, that's Networks' job :)
16:35.55z00daxantiphase: :S
16:36.11antiphaseDecently priced and Cisco rarely occur together afaik
16:36.24z00daxi suppose the option of just getting a mri built 8 port serial card with lots of cables is an option
16:36.28z00daxantiphase: true
16:36.39antiphaseCyclades is the name I've heard when talking about serial consoles
16:36.43antiphaseThey're not cheap either
16:36.45DiscordianSerial console isn#'t the way forward
16:36.50DiscordianIPMI is
16:37.17DiscordianCyclades are good
16:37.22antiphaseAnd to be fair, ay new hardware without some sort of OOB controller is making yourself more problems
16:37.31z00daxDiscordian: i agree, however in this case, serial console is the only thing exposed by the machines
16:37.35antiphaseIt's almost a commodity now
16:37.49z00daxalso, this is a bit of a cost sensitive setup, so dont have funding to get ipmi / bmc sort of h/w  in each machine
16:37.58z00daxantiphase: not new stuff
16:38.15antiphaseSounds like the multiport serial card is your solution then :)
16:38.21z00daxyea.
16:38.25z00daxi suppose get 2
16:38.37z00daxand the machine that is doing conserver management, should expose itself to another machine
16:38.50z00daxhumm £70 isnt bad, for something including cables
16:38.59z00daxthink I might recommend that
16:39.17Discordianwhat's the server hardware?
16:39.27z00daxthese are all x86 machines
16:39.31z00daxa few are x86_64
16:39.39z00daxits the bios and raid access i want
16:39.48z00daxwant == need
16:39.50Discordiandell? compaq?
16:40.10z00daxcouple of ibm xservers, the rest are Tyan kit, homebrew
16:40.16antiphaseSounds like IPMI is the least you need. Serial consoles are no use until the OS is up
16:40.16Discordianahh
16:40.29z00daxantiphase: bios has console redirect
16:40.41z00daxi checked that
16:41.59DiscordianIPMI and VPN to the firewall rocks
16:43.17z00daxok, going home now
16:43.19z00daxbe back in a bit
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23:00.34Provitobah firefox keeps crashing
23:01.46Provito/usr/local/firefox-2.0.0.2/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 31945 Segmentation fault      "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
23:01.49Provitosuper
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23:26.55z00daxProvito: ram issues ?
23:31.02Provitono flash9 issues
23:31.18Provitoif I remove flash 9 from the plugin then it works fine
23:31.33Provitotime to go back to flash7 then
23:50.21z00daxor try gnash ?
23:52.21antiphaseI tried Gnash the other day, it was completely non-functional
23:52.29z00daxthat bad ?
23:52.38z00daxi heard it was upto flash7 compatible now
23:52.47antiphaseI got a screenful of coloured blocks instead of whatever it was meant to be
23:52.47z00daxi was thinking of trying it on my G5/linux
23:52.54z00daxnice
23:52.59z00dax(blocks)--
23:53.04antiphasePresumably people are using >v7 on their websites as a rule
23:53.34z00daxwhat do devices like nokia n810 use ?
23:53.39z00daxthat does not seem to have much of an issue
23:53.46z00daxis that the native adobe product then ?
23:53.55antiphaseI guess they paid for licences to use the real thing
23:53.57z00daxor whats that Walmart thing, gOs or whatever its called
23:54.33z00daxcold be
23:54.35z00daxcould even
23:54.45antiphaseI assume if you are prepared to pay for source access and only distribute binaries there's nothing to stop you producing 100% compatible apps
23:54.59antiphaseI don't really know how that sort of thing works though
23:55.35z00daxme neither
23:56.17Paul_UK[23:52] <antiphase> I tried Gnash the other day, it was completely non-functional
23:56.23Paul_UKthats what I said a while back!
23:56.30Paul_UKits rubbish
23:56.56Paul_UKapparently z00dax hadnt had a problem with it
23:57.20z00daxi am not using it on x86 though
23:57.51Paul_UKah k.. must be rubbish on x86's only :P
23:57.54z00daxlets see if we can get some packages thorugh, iirc it needed some wierd docbook stuff to build. not sure why
23:58.01Paul_UKon a side note, good job with denyhosts.. it rocks
23:58.09z00daxwell, there isnt any other option on ppc
23:58.27z00daxthere sort of is - nspluginwrapper, then qemu the flash on linux.x86 under it
23:58.36z00daxbut, as i am sure its easy to guess, thats a right pain

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