| 00:03.27 | z00dax | popey: ooh... you have one ? |
| 00:03.32 | popey | i have two |
| 00:03.43 | z00dax | umm why ? |
| 00:04.16 | popey | one for me, one for wifey |
| 00:04.28 | z00dax | aha |
| 00:04.31 | z00dax | any good then ? |
| 00:04.37 | popey | very |
| 00:04.41 | popey | just installed ubuntu on mine |
| 00:04.44 | popey | will leave xandros on wifeys |
| 00:04.46 | popey | she loves it |
| 00:05.10 | popey | Many Toys R Us stores have them in stock, and out to play with |
| 00:05.18 | z00dax | ah |
| 00:05.21 | z00dax | there is one nearby |
| 00:05.35 | z00dax | the thing is - i already have two fairly decent laptops |
| 00:05.47 | Paul_UK | had a play with the 7" one, its good... but nahhh |
| 00:05.54 | popey | there is an 8GB disk, 1GB RAM one due in January |
| 00:06.04 | z00dax | so i am sort of leaning towards the n810 |
| 00:06.58 | z00dax | i dont think storage is an issue, it has usb right ? you can hang whatever you want out from the back of that |
| 00:09.50 | popey | what the n810? no idea |
| 00:10.04 | z00dax | even on the eee |
| 00:10.20 | z00dax | it has usb so as long as you can get os on there, you can get /home imported over nfs from somewhere |
| 00:10.21 | popey | the EEE has 3 USB ports and 1 SD slot |
| 00:10.29 | z00dax | or hand a 120gb drive out the back over usb |
| 00:10.40 | popey | I just installed Ubuntu by booting off a usb memory stick thing |
| 00:10.47 | z00dax | nice |
| 00:10.58 | popey | http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu a nice guide - gives you an idea what can/has been done |
| 00:11.09 | popey | "Other linux distributions are availabl" |
| 00:12.10 | Paul_UK | someone has done a mod with the eee, to give it bluetooth support |
| 00:13.35 | z00dax | leeds |
| 00:13.49 | z00dax | speaking of whom, not heard a peep out of him in a while |
| 00:13.59 | z00dax | he must have found a reallife somewhere |
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| 00:23.49 | wethrin | He's been around here |
| 00:25.10 | z00dax | and on a different note, its getting cold |
| 00:26.30 | wethrin | It's been cold all day |
| 00:26.42 | etorix | its going to be colder |
| 00:27.00 | z00dax | etorix: thanks |
| 00:27.16 | etorix | might have to turn another computer on |
| 00:27.34 | wethrin | heh |
| 00:28.01 | z00dax | yeah, maybe i should have hung onto that e450 after all |
| 00:28.51 | etorix | im short one monitor tho |
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| 09:18.48 | hali | z00dax: i may have a e420r if that is usable |
| 09:19.21 | hali | it gets quite warm |
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| 09:59.37 | zmey_g | morning |
| 10:00.26 | zmey_g | guys is it possible to limit upload bandwidth for a server? |
| 10:00.48 | bilarh | zmey_g: iptables? |
| 10:00.52 | wethrin | Yes |
| 10:00.58 | bilarh | zmey_g: and most routers / firewalls have that feature as well |
| 10:00.59 | zmey_g | how? |
| 10:01.22 | wethrin | Do it at your switch, on the server, or per-application |
| 10:01.31 | wethrin | The third one is the easiest |
| 10:02.35 | zmey_g | i have netgear dg834g router, but i don't remember seeing that fiche there |
| 10:03.17 | bilarh | no it doesn't work with that one |
| 10:03.21 | bilarh | i've got the same crap at home :-) |
| 10:04.02 | zmey_g | i have ftpprod server 1Mb/s upload and when peops are downloading something it chokes my internet to death |
| 10:04.37 | zmey_g | so how can i manage it? |
| 10:04.38 | wethrin | You should be able to limit the bandwidth at ftpd |
| 10:04.39 | Ch0Hag | Yay! Daily WTF == Daily WTF again! |
| 10:04.50 | wethrin | Ch0Hag: It rarely happens nowadays |
| 10:05.43 | zmey_g | iptables than yes? |
| 10:06.08 | wethrin | I s'pose, if you can't configure the daemon |
| 10:06.55 | zmey_g | wethrin: i looked into proftpd howto. it looks pretty large |
| 10:07.15 | zmey_g | but i think i will work it out. |
| 10:08.02 | bilarh | this article seems pretty good |
| 10:08.03 | bilarh | http://www.knowplace.org/pages/howtos/traffic_shaping_with_linux.php |
| 10:09.49 | zmey_g | thanks all. i really can't even google now. all frozen. HHHH |
| 10:10.07 | bilarh | pkill -9 proftpd ;-) |
| 10:10.35 | bilarh | it seems weird that a download would choke your internet so badly |
| 10:10.36 | zmey_g | no. can't do it. |
| 10:11.00 | bilarh | how many concurrent users on your ftp site? |
| 10:11.34 | zmey_g | 1, but he has about 20 connections open |
| 10:11.43 | bilarh | ah, there's your problem |
| 10:11.51 | bilarh | maybe limit concurrent connections to say 5? |
| 10:12.06 | zmey_g | yeah, mafbe |
| 10:12.13 | zmey_g | maybe |
| 10:12.43 | zmey_g | i install ftp yesterday, didn,t configure it much |
| 10:13.22 | zmey_g | was busy with installing fedora for a friend |
| 10:14.22 | zmey_g | he bought laptop with vista home ad, and we decided, to change his way of thinking |
| 10:14.37 | bilarh | vista is total shite anyway |
| 10:14.48 | zmey_g | sure |
| 10:14.51 | bilarh | i've got this new laptop and vista immediately started swapping on first boot |
| 10:14.56 | bilarh | and it takes ages to redraw the menus etc etc |
| 10:16.02 | zmey_g | i never had a chance to look at vista very close. it never survived the first night with me. |
| 10:18.37 | Ch0Hag | Idiots i do IT for are doing something they haven't bothered to talk to me about. Woman just phoned up and asked "These 2 BT lines we're getting, do we want broadband?" |
| 10:19.18 | Ch0Hag | How the hell should I know? |
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| 10:54.34 | wethrin | zmey_g: vsftpd is your friend |
| 10:54.59 | zmey_g | wethrin: why is that? |
| 10:55.10 | wethrin | It's easier to configure. |
| 10:55.15 | wethrin | Fewer options |
| 10:57.05 | zmey_g | wethrin: i found how to configure proftpd, it's really apache like conf. but i need to configure quota mod through Mysql db :(. which is a bit too much for me yet. |
| 10:57.17 | wethrin | lovely |
| 10:58.03 | zmey_g | i limited connections instances. and i think i need to look at iptables. |
| 10:58.19 | wethrin | poor fellow |
| 10:58.45 | zmey_g | wethrin: thanks for suggestion anyway. i will look at vsftpd. |
| 11:01.58 | zmey_g | wethrin: how can you see who currently connected to the box? netstat -t |
| 11:02.21 | zmey_g | or in proftpd log? |
| 11:02.29 | bilarh | vsftpd doesnt' support any encryption standards, though, i think |
| 11:02.35 | wethrin | It's FTP |
| 11:02.42 | wethrin | FTP doesn't *do* encryption |
| 11:02.45 | bilarh | yeah i know, but i mean stuff like ftp ssl etc |
| 11:02.53 | bilarh | ftps and whatever it's called |
| 11:02.53 | wethrin | That's not a standard :) |
| 11:02.54 | wethrin | Or is it? |
| 11:02.57 | bilarh | hmm |
| 11:02.59 | wethrin | sftp is part of ssh |
| 11:02.59 | bilarh | i think it might be |
| 11:03.02 | bilarh | not sftp |
| 11:03.03 | bilarh | ftps |
| 11:03.05 | bilarh | ftp over ssl |
| 11:03.08 | wethrin | Hmm |
| 11:03.16 | bilarh | but then again, it's probably not that important |
| 11:03.21 | bilarh | i use vsftp myself :) |
| 11:03.22 | wethrin | zmey_g: Pass. |
| 11:03.31 | bilarh | ftpwho? |
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| 11:03.49 | bilarh | zmey_g: ^^^ |
| 11:04.15 | bilarh | vsftp is nice because it's easy to set up chroot's as well |
| 11:04.18 | zmey_g | bilarh: ftpwho |
| 11:04.18 | zmey_g | scoreboard is corrupted or old |
| 11:04.20 | zmey_g | :) |
| 11:04.25 | bilarh | zmey_g: arse :) |
| 11:08.13 | zmey_g | ok look at me netstat http://pastebin.com/d4c7fd877 what can you say? |
| 11:10.02 | zmey_g | all this ESTABLISHED connections with foreign IP 71.183.79.22 |
| 11:11.07 | bilarh | someone's connected to your ftp server lots of times? :) |
| 11:11.20 | zmey_g | sure |
| 11:12.20 | zmey_g | but these connections remains after i restarted the ftp server . why they didn,t disappear? |
| 11:13.09 | zmey_g | and i limited original 30 connections to 8. |
| 11:13.37 | zmey_g | but if you count there are 64 of them. more than 30?? |
| 11:14.23 | bilarh | did you restart proftpd or just reload the config? |
| 11:14.43 | bilarh | also, the number of actual connections will be double (at least) of the number of ftp sessions |
| 11:14.56 | bilarh | as there's one control channel and a data channel |
| 11:16.05 | zmey_g | no i understand the difference. restart |
| 11:17.12 | bilarh | odd |
| 11:17.23 | bilarh | what pid does it give if you run netstat -antup as root? |
| 11:19.51 | zmey_g | 1 sec |
| 11:22.26 | zmey_g | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.28 | zmey_g | 30 |
| 11:22.54 | antiphase | These days I'd have though FTP would be anonymous, or you'd use something more suitable unless you happen to be in web hosting where it's still conventional |
| 11:22.59 | zmey_g | ok it looks like originally there was 30 connection |
| 11:23.11 | antiphase | It's always prone to dictionary attacks unless you limit connections by source address |
| 11:23.35 | antiphase | even more so than SSH |
| 11:24.11 | wethrin | Hm. I only have one IP in my shitlist for trying to do evil things with my sshd |
| 11:24.41 | zmey_g | antiphase: server limited to the ftp group users |
| 11:25.35 | zmey_g | you might be right about dictionary attack |
| 11:27.24 | zmey_g | antiphase: anonymous user is not allowed |
| 11:28.28 | antiphase | What I meant was if you aren't just publicly publishing files, there are much better solutions than ftp, although the clients are less ubiquitous |
| 11:28.30 | zmey_g | # grant login only for members of the group |
| 11:28.32 | zmey_g | <Limit LOGIN> |
| 11:28.32 | zmey_g | DenyGroup !ftp***er |
| 11:28.32 | zmey_g | </Limit> |
| 11:31.07 | zmey_g | antiphase: this is small share server for 5-10 people. not more. i created 1 group for them. all others are deny. it's my first try with ftp server. and i hope to see lots of mistakes here. |
| 11:36.01 | z00dax | hali: pass |
| 11:39.00 | hali | z00dax: it's got two scsi cards! |
| 11:39.19 | z00dax | umm no! |
| 11:39.29 | z00dax | i am trying to cut down the number of machines I have , not increase them! |
| 11:39.37 | z00dax | am more or less down to about 7 now |
| 11:39.46 | z00dax | need to keep shedding till I am down to 4 |
| 11:39.51 | z00dax | i think 4 is a good number |
| 11:43.05 | zmey_g | z00dax: Japanese think that good number is 8. |
| 11:43.23 | z00dax | luckly, i am not hapanese |
| 11:43.30 | z00dax | not even Japanese |
| 11:43.41 | zmey_g | it brings you wealth. |
| 11:44.06 | z00dax | what ?? |
| 11:44.15 | antiphase | That ancient Sun stuff is fit for nothing but doorstopping |
| 11:44.16 | z00dax | so now i need to go buy another computer to get wealthy |
| 11:44.32 | antiphase | Probably worth more because of all the gold in them than anything else |
| 11:45.15 | zmey_g | z00dax: after stitching your eyes first. |
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| 14:48.36 | Ch0Hag | Wtf? |
| 14:48.49 | Ch0Hag | root@nonsense:~# mount -t ntfs -o defaults,gid=1100,umask=022,nls=utf8 /dev/hda1 /windows/ |
| 14:48.52 | Ch0Hag | fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy |
| 14:48.55 | Ch0Hag | fuse? wtf has fuse got to do with it? |
| 14:49.37 | Ch0Hag | Idiotic "let's create a system every fucking moron can use" mentality drives me nuts. |
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| 14:52.14 | savetheWorld | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.45 | antiphase | Sounds like you either have something mounted there already, or you are missing a package |
| 14:54.58 | Ch0Hag | Or ubuntu has retarded itself. |
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| 15:13.21 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: i had this problem with fuse. on Debian etch |
| 15:18.07 | Armand_Laptop | I recall some issue with Fuse on debian myself.. but I |
| 15:18.18 | Armand_Laptop | *I'm on Fedora now, so no issue. :P |
| 15:18.25 | Ch0Hag | But why is fuse even getting involved. |
| 15:18.29 | Ch0Hag | I want nothing to do with it. |
| 15:18.46 | Armand_Laptop | I don't even remember WTF Fuse is for.. !? |
| 15:19.12 | Ch0Hag | To mount non-block-devices (eg. ssh or ftp) as a regular user. |
| 15:19.21 | Armand_Laptop | ahhh |
| 15:21.03 | kjalil | hmm, can someone help me with a linux networking issue? I am simply trying to create a "router" type of computer that will just forward traffic on |
| 15:21.26 | kjalil | i have been trying to use iptables with no luck. i might be doing something wrong |
| 15:21.28 | antiphase | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:22.01 | kjalil | antiphase: i did that. but when I ping from behind 1 interface to across another, nothing goes through? |
| 15:22.48 | antiphase | Can you ping from the router box both ways to the same hosts? |
| 15:23.50 | antiphase | This stuff is always fairly basic, but impossible to solve without routing tables from all the machines involved |
| 15:25.05 | kjalil | antiphase: yes. router has 2 n/w cards. router can ping hosts both ways. only problem is when coming from 1 end, going thru the router and out the other. i can see the other side blinking because of pings, but nothing comes back |
| 15:25.31 | kjalil | antiphase: have i forgotten to enable something on the way back? |
| 15:25.50 | antiphase | Yes, routing ;) |
| 15:25.55 | antiphase | Most likely on your target machine |
| 15:26.35 | antiphase | If the default route isn't your "router" |
| 15:26.42 | kjalil | hmm. target machine is another f/w. why does it answer to the router, but not when going thru it? |
| 15:26.49 | antiphase | In which case yo uwill need to add a static route |
| 15:27.00 | antiphase | I don' |
| 15:27.05 | antiphase | t have enough information to answer that |
| 15:27.27 | antiphase | You've been looking at it for several hours, I just heard about it 5 minutes ago ;) |
| 15:27.48 | kjalil | you can tell :-) |
| 15:28.09 | kjalil | antiphase: hang on let me try some things. your comments have made me think of other things to try |
| 15:32.26 | Ch0Hag | Well that's a new take on 'File exists. Overwrite?' |
| 15:32.38 | Ch0Hag | Now we have 'Cannot save. File does not exist.' |
| 15:33.00 | zmey_g | Armand_Laptop: about your beloved Fedora. maybe it has no issues with fuse, but i have plenty issues with ATI fglrx-drv and latest madwifi drv form freshrpm repository |
| 15:33.25 | antiphase | ATI = epic fail |
| 15:34.29 | zmey_g | about ATI true. |
| 15:38.22 | kjalil | bbl |
| 15:38.34 | Armand_Laptop | I don't use either.. :) |
| 15:42.55 | Ch0Hag | Quite. |
| 15:43.06 | Ch0Hag | ATI has just rendered my box inoperable again. |
| 15:43.10 | Ch0Hag | I hate rebooting... |
| 15:48.50 | highbury | The register is saying that the flash version for linux of the BBC iplayer should be available, but I get a message only supported on Windows XP |
| 15:48.53 | highbury | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/13/flash_iplayer_launch/ |
| 15:51.01 | zmey_g | the best experience i had with ATI on Mint 3.1 but Mint 4.0 got it wrong again. |
| 15:58.54 | DJ_InstincT | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ works here: Linux bart 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:00.40 | antiphase | The free flash players are completely gash ime |
| 16:00.58 | antiphase | Varying from "partially working" to "completely broken" |
| 16:01.18 | DJ_InstincT | then you try them on 64 bit :/ |
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| 16:06.34 | DJ_InstincT | thought that said gambling4charity :p |
| 16:08.28 | Ch0Hag | FFS! |
| 16:08.34 | Ch0Hag | Every time I reload X the fonts in Galeon change. |
| 16:09.18 | zmey_g | bbc iplayer started on Fedora 8, I saw the first screen channel 2 intro and than an error. but it went ok on second try. |
| 16:11.16 | kjalil | to everyone who can hear this: antiphase is a very nice fellow :) |
| 16:11.32 | kjalil | antiphase: thanks |
| 16:11.52 | zmey_g | congratulations |
| 16:12.33 | antiphase | \o/ |
| 16:12.48 | antiphase | You can't have known me for very long ;) |
| 16:12.56 | zmey_g | if the bplayer had failed to make it for linux i would consider withdrawing my BBC license . |
| 16:13.40 | Ch0Hag | Why don't you withdraw it anyway, citing the argument that TV's only full of crap these days anyway. |
| 16:14.17 | Ch0Hag | Does anyone use Gnus? |
| 16:14.41 | dn | Sorry, EastEnders is not available to play here. |
| 16:15.06 | kjalil | antiphase: it was a couple of default routes missing. unfortunately i have a lot more work to do ... |
| 16:15.21 | zmey_g | they raise the license fee as well. |
| 16:15.29 | dn | can anyone fullscreen the iplayer? |
| 16:15.37 | zmey_g | yes |
| 16:15.50 | zmey_g | fullscreen works |
| 16:16.07 | dn | what distro? |
| 16:16.27 | DJ_InstincT | think you need the latest version - i am on 9,0,31,0 latest = 9,0,115,0 |
| 16:16.28 | zmey_g | fedora 8 |
| 16:46.43 | dn | damn ubuntu |
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| 17:42.11 | goibhniu | z00dax: GNOME-do http://do.davebsd.com/?q=content/download ... much better than gnome-launch-box by the looks of things |
| 17:43.21 | z00dax | goibhniu: shall look once i have working DNS |
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| 22:07.08 | xteddy | :) |
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