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| 09:57.09 | niv_one_three | for the record the cocktail of C programing and coffee is addictive IMHO |
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| 10:02.43 | Provito | it will give him something to aspire to |
| 10:03.14 | bilarh | what's pfy? |
| 10:03.42 | Leeds | I did not introduce him to the concept of a PFY |
| 10:03.42 | Provito | bilarh, oh dear |
| 10:03.42 | Provito | http://www.theregister.co.uk READ THE BOFH |
| 10:03.42 | Provito | then come back here |
| 10:03.43 | Leeds | even though there is no doubt he is a PFY :-) |
| 10:03.43 | bilarh | yeah i know where it's from |
| 10:03.52 | Provito | bilarh, so why ask the question then |
| 10:03.54 | bilarh | i just don't know what PFY stands for and I'm always a bit mystified when i read it :) |
| 10:04.05 | Provito | PFY == pimply faced youth |
| 10:04.18 | Leeds | i.e. junior, assistant, etc. |
| 10:04.19 | bilarh | ah, thank you :D |
| 10:04.24 | bilarh | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people |
| 10:04.29 | Leeds | indeed |
| 10:04.34 | Leeds | anyway, time to go bed shopping... |
| 10:04.36 | Provito | bilarh, BOFH == Bastard Operator from Hell btw |
| 10:04.41 | bilarh | yeah i knew that one :P |
| 10:04.42 | Leeds | and then to meet mozrat for a drink or two |
| 10:04.43 | Provito | just in case you missed that as well |
| 10:04.50 | Provito | bilarh, :P |
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| 10:05.08 | bilarh | i shall start using PFY around the office i think |
| 10:05.11 | bilarh | the only problem is that it's me |
| 10:05.11 | bilarh | again |
| 10:05.22 | bilarh | i seem to always be the 'young one' |
| 10:05.31 | Provito | bilarh, enjoy it, it doesn't last for long |
| 10:05.31 | bilarh | for ten years now :-\ |
| 10:05.37 | Provito | one minute your young, then your an old git |
| 10:06.03 | bilarh | hmm... bit like that dick_turpin bloke |
| 10:06.06 | bilarh | sad when it happens |
| 10:06.13 | bilarh | ibot: seen dick_turpin |
| 10:06.15 | ibot | dick_turpin <n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 17h 54m 18s ago, saying: 'mozrat: Yeah you're dead a very long time, plus its very different now'. |
| 10:07.22 | niv_one_three | bilarh: is there any chance a ppp server may use an IP address allready in use in the same server? |
| 10:09.00 | bilarh | it's no fun riling people on here when they're not online :( |
| 10:09.15 | bilarh | niv_one_three: hrm... depends, i suppose the answer is |
| 10:09.25 | bilarh | who's assigning the ip address? you or the remote? |
| 10:09.49 | bilarh | or is it even auto configured? |
| 10:10.02 | bilarh | i haven't done any ppp stuff for like... 4 years at least :-) |
| 10:10.24 | bilarh | i suggest asking antiphase, he seems clued up on isp'y stuff like ppp |
| 10:12.15 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
| 10:13.38 | bilarh | having said that, if i had to guess, i'd say that it's entirely possible, depending on what you tell pppd to assign to your interface |
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| 12:23.55 | Ch0Hag | Interesting - Microsoft demonstrates (in 2004) that Open Source software is a real benefit. |
| 12:24.25 | Ch0Hag | On a bug in Exchange's MTA - "So what did we do to fix it? Well, the first thing that we did was to fix the MTA." |
| 12:24.41 | Ch0Hag | Of course in this case the source is only open to them. |
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| 13:06.49 | DJ_InstincT | anybody know which package tcpdump is in on ArchLinux? |
| 13:07.30 | dick_turpin | DJ_InstincT: What? |
| 13:08.40 | dick_turpin | DJ_InstincT: pacman -Ss tcpdump or yaourt -Ss tcpdump |
| 13:08.50 | DJ_InstincT | dick_turpin: just tried to run tcpdump on my arch linux box - command not found |
| 13:09.34 | dick_turpin | DJ_InstincT: So 1st things 1st, is it installed? |
| 13:09.47 | dick_turpin | Then is it in your path? |
| 13:10.56 | bilarh | 'yaourt' pff, what a ridicilous command name |
| 13:11.03 | bilarh | suitable for old, balding men, only |
| 13:11.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Actually if you're a GUI/Pretty colours person then its pretty good |
| 13:12.09 | DJ_InstincT | I have just been searching slap-get and still asking about arch linux - I think the distro is centOS |
| 13:12.16 | dick_turpin | Plus its got a few more features that pacman hasn't |
| 13:12.36 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i wouldn't know... i don't even know what yaourt is, just that it sounds a handful to type :P |
| 13:13.14 | DJ_InstincT | ok - Vector Linux 5.8 SOHO Final - off to look at their packages |
| 13:13.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ah but you can alias it I have "bilarh is a nordic poof" as mine :-P |
| 13:13.34 | bilarh | lol :D |
| 13:13.53 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Couldn't resist mate :-) |
| 13:14.20 | bilarh | i'm irresistable, i know |
| 13:14.43 | bilarh | how does the spacing work out in the alias? |
| 13:14.59 | bilarh | i suppose you could have a shell script etc called bilarh which calls yaourt depending on the args |
| 13:15.02 | bilarh | hrm |
| 13:15.22 | bilarh | obviously, *my* script will take different parameters to yours |
| 13:16.26 | bilarh | well, my middle name is perv, after all |
| 13:17.12 | dick_turpin | start middle and end |
| 13:20.54 | bilarh | here we go: #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 13:20.54 | bilarh | if (join(" ",@ARGV) eq "is so big, oh yes, oh yes") { system "yaourt"; }; |
| 13:20.57 | bilarh | :P |
| 13:21.35 | bilarh | can you tell i'm a little bit bored? : |
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| 13:23.32 | dick_turpin | Is a 'segment fault' definitely a sign that the HDD is on its way out? |
| 13:25.31 | hali | no |
| 13:25.44 | bilarh | sounds morel ike memory |
| 13:25.45 | hali | i presume you are talking about a Segmentation fault? |
| 13:25.46 | bilarh | or bad programming |
| 13:25.55 | bilarh | or a broken processor |
| 13:25.56 | hali | yeah, just a shit app i'd say |
| 13:26.04 | hali | strace is fun |
| 13:26.08 | bilarh | i had lots of seg faults once on a 486 dx2-66 |
| 13:26.18 | bilarh | it was due to a busted 4Mb memory module |
| 13:26.24 | dick_turpin | I don't think so, its a new CPU and Mem |
| 13:26.46 | bilarh | what app is it you're trying to run? |
| 13:27.14 | bilarh | ah, actually, it could be the drive, if the data is corrupt so that the binary tries to read / write memory it's not allowed to write into/ read from |
| 13:27.21 | bilarh | but that sounds very unlikely imo |
| 13:27.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Nothing now my openSUSE in the words of Monty Python "Has ceased to be" |
| 13:27.30 | hali | yes, some fancy silent data corruption |
| 13:27.47 | hali | dick_turpin: i had similar issues on my core2duo when i was playing with memory over clocking |
| 13:28.19 | hali | and on my old abit ab9 motherboard i had to run my 667mhz ddr2 memory in 533mhz |
| 13:28.29 | dick_turpin | I did an update on the 64bit version and it all went tits up |
| 13:28.51 | dick_turpin | I tried installing the i386 version last night |
| 13:29.07 | hali | tried running memtest86+? |
| 13:29.12 | dick_turpin | And thats when I got the seg fault |
| 13:29.56 | dick_turpin | hali: Please don't make me do that its like watching paint dry |
| 13:30.07 | hali | it only takes 20 mins for the basic test |
| 13:30.16 | hali | you don't have to run the full thre phase test |
| 13:30.26 | hali | it's just a simple way to rule out hardware errors |
| 13:31.03 | dick_turpin | I'm not gonna be happy if 1 of my 1GB modules is duff (2GB Total) |
| 13:32.10 | hali | well, go test it then |
| 13:32.28 | dick_turpin | hali: cant its at home |
| 13:33.03 | bilarh | dick_turpin: in that case i suggest not testing |
| 13:33.09 | bilarh | better the devil you don't know |
| 13:33.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ooh you're so clever |
| 13:33.28 | bilarh | how about you buy a new graphics card instead, taht might help? |
| 13:33.32 | hali | yeah, if you're happier with the error i'd stick with that |
| 13:33.43 | hali | i hear 8800GT is good |
| 13:34.20 | hali | almost on par with Voodoo 2 extreme |
| 13:34.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: It is fairly new I spent just under £1000 about four months ago |
| 13:34.35 | dick_turpin | on bits |
| 13:34.38 | bilarh | dick_turpin: ah but then if it is the memory it should be covered by warranty anyway |
| 13:35.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: S'OK I'll swap it at work, let some Muppet customer have the problem :-) |
| 13:35.36 | bilarh | hehe neat :P |
| 13:35.45 | bilarh | hey have you got any tv cards? |
| 13:35.50 | bilarh | digital receivers? |
| 13:35.57 | dick_turpin | Pinnicale |
| 13:36.16 | bilarh | do they work ok with linux? |
| 13:36.20 | bilarh | and does it come with a remote? |
| 13:36.28 | bilarh | and what kind of price are we talking? |
| 13:36.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh: It did with suse 9.1 |
| 13:36.48 | bilarh | ah ok |
| 13:36.50 | dick_turpin | Its in a box now |
| 13:37.00 | bilarh | no i meant at work, doofus |
| 13:37.03 | dick_turpin | Not installed |
| 13:37.04 | bilarh | so you can sell it to me :) |
| 13:37.55 | dick_turpin | 25p and a hand job is nowhere near enough |
| 13:38.31 | bilarh | it's a good hand job though, i've had years of practice |
| 13:38.57 | dick_turpin | how much money you got? |
| 13:39.16 | bilarh | depends on what you've got |
| 13:39.37 | bilarh | about fifty'ish |
| 13:39.39 | bilarh | max |
| 13:39.46 | bilarh | for an all singing, all dancing one |
| 13:39.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'll look in our cupboard, lets see if God loves you? |
| 13:40.04 | bilarh | ok, sounds good |
| 13:40.32 | dick_turpin | going to look brb |
| 13:40.37 | bilarh | cheers |
| 13:43.53 | hali | valuation needed, to_price('semi fancy gigabyte s939 motherboard, amd 3200+ cpu with fan, 2x512mb DDR333 memory, ati x800 graphics, 200gb IDE disk, some cables and stuff') |
| 13:45.25 | dick_turpin | bilarh: God hates you! GeForce 7300 and thats it not even anything in the 'Bits Box' |
| 13:45.47 | bilarh | everybody hates me :( |
| 13:46.01 | bilarh | isn't the geforce7300 a graphics card anyway? :) |
| 13:46.04 | bilarh | i need a tv card :D |
| 13:46.05 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Have you looked on eBuyer.com |
| 13:46.15 | hali | im trying to flog him my ati x800 |
| 13:46.21 | bilarh | i just thought i could swing some business your way, that's all :P |
| 13:46.46 | hali | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129802 would be ace |
| 13:47.15 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Thats OK, I havent the heart to tell hali that his box is worth about 100.00 refurb trade |
| 13:47.47 | bilarh | hali |
| 13:47.47 | hali | 100 quid ey? thats pretty ok |
| 13:47.59 | hali | dick_turpin: do you wanna trade? :) |
| 13:48.03 | bilarh | hali: that one's got a fan :) |
| 13:48.08 | hali | i do need a SATA drive |
| 13:48.28 | bilarh | no you bastards, i need that motherboard :P |
| 13:49.11 | dick_turpin | hali: No thanks, nothing personal but I buy from suppliers that way I get warranty. 30 days is 30 days |
| 13:50.53 | hali | bilarh: how about 75quid and a song on the old skin trombone? |
| 13:52.19 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The HDD is worth about 30.00 trade the mem, I dunno 15-20.00 you should be able to get it down to 50.00 |
| 13:52.55 | DJ_InstincT | wierd - just playing with video streamin using vlc - was testing VideoOnDemand - ended up running the client command on the server - it is now sitting there converting my video to ASCII art on the fly! no sound tho ... http://www.psy-breakdown.org.uk/snaps/ |
| 13:53.18 | hali | moterboard, 15, cpu 10, mem 15, gfx 20, disk 25, stuff 10 |
| 13:53.48 | DJ_InstincT | color as well |
| 13:53.51 | dick_turpin | hali: Pretty bang on, You reading my bit of paper? |
| 13:53.58 | hali | dick_turpin: guessing :) |
| 13:54.24 | dick_turpin | hali you'd be good in the refurb trade |
| 13:55.10 | hali | been in the build-your-own-pc game for quite some time :) |
| 13:55.49 | dick_turpin | hali OK so if its worth 100.00 what would you knock it out at? |
| 13:55.49 | hali | s/build/steal/ |
| 13:56.14 | hali | dick_turpin: 120 if i put up an ad |
| 13:56.44 | hali | or 140 on ebay buy it now |
| 13:56.56 | hali | but i hate ebay generally |
| 13:57.04 | dick_turpin | hali: Close but no cigar! 150.00 plus offer an install (We charge 65 PH) so a round 200.00 |
| 13:57.41 | hali | 200 would get you a new pc with same spec from pc world, but hey, but im not the buyer anyway :) |
| 13:57.44 | hali | people are thick |
| 13:58.29 | hali | i love when people buy phones off ebay for more then unlocked pay-as-you-go ones are from the operators |
| 13:58.31 | bilarh | hali: 75 quid sounds decent |
| 13:59.15 | dick_turpin | hali: Curently have some HP D530 P4 2.8 512MB Combo 40GB XP Pro Lic cost me 89.00 knocking em out at 210.00 |
| 13:59.47 | dick_turpin | hali done 20 odd so far |
| 13:59.59 | bilarh | dick_turpin: damn, that's not too bad at all |
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| 14:00.05 | bilarh | annec! |
| 14:00.25 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i might possibly be in the market for a low end desktop as well |
| 14:00.36 | bilarh | ah ffs, meeting |
| 14:00.37 | bilarh | bbl |
| 14:01.10 | dick_turpin | bilarh: And I was goona let you talk me into giving you one for free ;-) |
| 14:01.29 | AnneC | bilarh! |
| 14:01.44 | AnneC | he he, meetings suck |
| 14:02.52 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Please don't say hello to him and definitely don't mention the word suck! he's being very pervy lately |
| 14:04.22 | AnneC | mmm, should I leave this channel once again? |
| 14:04.46 | dick_turpin | AnneC: No, Why? |
| 14:05.22 | AnneC | it's a bit early in the day to talk about perversions |
| 14:05.51 | dick_turpin | AnneC: OK what shall we talk about? |
| 14:07.19 | AnneC | dunno, laptops? |
| 14:07.36 | AnneC | I'm thinking of going down TCR to get one today |
| 14:07.37 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Ooh goody my favourite subject |
| 14:08.50 | AnneC | coool |
| 14:09.08 | AnneC | Well a friend bought a T61 Thinkpad |
| 14:09.12 | AnneC | looks quite ok |
| 14:09.45 | AnneC | still feeling guilty at buying something I don't really *need* |
| 14:13.53 | dick_turpin | AnneC: IBM are nice and solid |
| 14:16.18 | AnneC | yes, that's the thing |
| 14:16.32 | AnneC | and the screen is non reflective |
| 14:16.49 | AnneC | those are the points it has against the G1S Asus |
| 14:17.18 | AnneC | the Asus would have been better otherwise, I process a lot of pics |
| 14:17.42 | dick_turpin | AnneC: That one has the biometric login? |
| 14:19.21 | AnneC | T61 yes, G1S maybe, but it doesn't matter to me |
| 14:19.57 | dick_turpin | AnneC: How much is it goin to cost you? |
| 14:23.47 | AnneC | well I don't want to spend more than 1100 |
| 14:24.09 | AnneC | they both have 2Gb, 2.2cpu |
| 14:24.22 | AnneC | nvidia - good thing for me - on T61 |
| 14:25.32 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Yeah I prefer Nvidia |
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| 14:43.31 | bilarh | phew, that was a long meeting |
| 14:44.30 | bilarh | annec: hey what's wrong with perversions? |
| 14:44.40 | bilarh | millions of people use windows every day |
| 14:46.46 | bilarh | dick_turpin: how much for a hp without xp? |
| 14:47.08 | bilarh | oh no, he's gone |
| 14:47.13 | gregj | what is 'flat pack' ? in 'flat pack cabinet' |
| 14:47.29 | bilarh | gregj: that it comes in bits and you have to glue / screw / nail it together |
| 14:47.38 | wethrin | gregj! |
| 14:47.40 | wethrin | How's life? |
| 14:48.58 | gregj | good, back to .pl, loads of work - trying to organize a office of ppl here, so that we can do bigger contracts from UK and US |
| 14:49.14 | gregj | bilarh: which part says that ? cos I don't get it to be honest |
| 14:49.44 | wethrin | Ah. Back in Krakow? |
| 14:49.48 | gregj | yup |
| 14:49.57 | wethrin | mmm |
| 14:49.58 | gregj | funny, how I have all those 'agents' still calling me |
| 14:50.01 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:50.12 | gregj | and asking one after one, when I'm back, cos there's so much work for me... |
| 14:51.00 | gregj | it is good to know there's always that option |
| 14:51.45 | wethrin | aye |
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| 15:55.35 | bilarh | gregj: that's just my interpretation of flat pack furniture... alternatively, i think the word 'ikea' sums it up :-) |
| 16:40.56 | cpufreak | hetzner.de rock |
| 16:46.50 | gregj | bilarh: :) |
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