| 00:24.26 | Provito | Is there anything I can run via cron each night to sanity check the system, check disk issues, space etc, any long running processes. |
| 00:26.19 | wethrin | Knock up a shell script? |
| 00:26.30 | wethrin | Or steal and modify the one OpenBSD uses on its nightly runs |
| 00:26.41 | Provito | wethrin, sure I was writing it, but seemed sensible to check if one existed first |
| 00:27.51 | wethrin | *nod* |
| 00:28.22 | wethrin | You could pull it out of their CVS - it's /etc/daily, /etc/weekly, and /etc/monthly |
| 00:28.33 | Provito | I'll check it |
| 00:28.46 | Leeds | it's the sort of thing which falls between "everyone just rolls their own" and "hey. cool tool" |
| 00:28.50 | z00dax | hello |
| 00:29.19 | Leeds | a really complete, generic to different distros, nice and configurable version would be cool |
| 00:29.54 | Provito | Well some things are just obvious like an easy way to get alerts if disk space is reaching critical |
| 00:30.03 | Provito | or errors in log files etc etc |
| 00:30.09 | z00dax | Leeds: such a thing would become so complex, people would just write their own |
| 00:30.20 | Leeds | z00dax: I disagree |
| 00:31.07 | Leeds | something with checkboxes: I want to check [] Logs [] Disk space [] Uptime [] etc [] etc |
| 00:31.15 | z00dax | humm |
| 00:31.20 | z00dax | nagios ? |
| 00:31.32 | Leeds | 'home user friendly' |
| 00:31.33 | z00dax | umm no - you said checkbox's |
| 00:31.59 | z00dax | doesnt logwatch do most of the stuff like that already ? |
| 00:32.00 | Provito | z00dax, I use nagios for similar stuff, the plugins are good. But this is for a box I don't administer I'd just like a quick cron job to check the system over |
| 00:32.14 | Provito | z00dax, like I normally stick on rkhunter etc in cron |
| 00:32.21 | Leeds | z00dax: no idea - I just roll my own :-) |
| 00:32.55 | Leeds | "Mr. Plow, that's my name - that name again, it's Mr. Plow" |
| 00:33.00 | z00dax | rkhunter is a bit OTT really. |
| 00:33.11 | z00dax | besides, if its already on the machine, you cant trust it |
| 00:33.36 | Provito | z00dax, agreed there, it's only useful when you know you've got valid binaries |
| 00:33.38 | z00dax | humm flyback.... |
| 00:33.46 | z00dax | wouldnt lvm snapshots be quite cool too ? |
| 00:34.08 | Leeds | lvm is generally cool |
| 00:34.22 | Provito | z00dax, I'll just pop on logwatch I recon. That'll do the job and keep the chap entertained with a daily email |
| 00:34.38 | z00dax | Leeds: now that snapshots work with 2.6 + lvm2 |
| 00:34.48 | Provito | I've already sped their site up 500% fixed all the system issues. What do they want, blood? |
| 00:34.49 | Provito | lol |
| 00:34.49 | z00dax | Provito: what distro ? |
| 00:35.12 | Provito | z00dax, heh Fedora |
| 00:35.21 | Provito | its a crapy fast hosts box |
| 00:35.50 | z00dax | yeah, logwatch will come with a basic setup already in place, and most servers + apps will drop logwatch snipets |
| 00:36.01 | Provito | I've got the load down to below 1 now, it was at over 4 when I started |
| 00:36.53 | z00dax | Provito: fire up oprofile, see whats cooking in the machine |
| 00:37.07 | Provito | hah, it was mysql screaming |
| 00:37.16 | Provito | z00dax, lovely unoptimised rails jobbie |
| 00:37.40 | z00dax | why dont people realise that ruby just does not work ! |
| 00:37.52 | z00dax | are you mad ? |
| 00:37.54 | Leeds | I am currently dealing with a Vignette/Tomcat stack :-( |
| 00:38.27 | z00dax | wethrin: not a big coconut fan, me |
| 00:38.34 | Provito | z00dax, it's not my job. I'm just going in and fixing it up from a sysadmin, scalability view point |
| 00:38.46 | z00dax | Provito: yum install logwatch |
| 00:38.49 | wethrin | kaya-lang.org |
| 00:38.51 | z00dax | if its not already there |
| 00:39.10 | Provito | nah. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/logwatch-7.3.6 |
| 00:39.18 | z00dax | wethrin: does not exist |
| 00:39.25 | wethrin | hmm |
| 00:39.26 | z00dax | Provito: why ? |
| 00:39.27 | Provito | then I'll create a symlink in /usr/local/logwatch to the release and then I'm set |
| 00:39.35 | z00dax | actually no you wont be set |
| 00:39.47 | wethrin | kayalang.org |
| 00:39.51 | Provito | z00dax, because I don't want them to mess it up with their "control panel" |
| 00:40.02 | z00dax | you are essentially just creating more work for yourself, breaking the machine - and most of the apps wont actually help setup stuff |
| 00:40.14 | z00dax | Provito: thats what selinux is for |
| 00:40.17 | Provito | how will that break the machine lol? |
| 00:40.31 | wethrin | sellinux has a use? |
| 00:40.42 | z00dax | you are putting stuff onto the machine that you cant really manage anymore. unmaged machines = broken machines |
| 00:40.44 | Provito | I am prefixing the directory, nothing will be installed outside of that. If anything it's keeping it nice and clean |
| 00:40.46 | z00dax | wethrin: absolutely |
| 00:41.00 | Provito | z00dax, oh and control panels can manage the system heh? |
| 00:41.02 | wethrin | There's a first time for everything, then :) |
| 00:41.17 | z00dax | Provito: and you plan on writing configs for each and every app they want on there ? and you plan on going in and fixing bugs manually ? |
| 00:41.23 | wethrin | night |
| 00:41.29 | z00dax | wethrin: nite |
| 00:41.51 | z00dax | Provito: control panels have nothing to do with systems management |
| 00:41.56 | z00dax | anyway, i am off. have fun. |
| 00:42.01 | Provito | z00dax, night |
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| 12:01.10 | Ch0Hag | Bloody hell that's unfair. |
| 12:01.48 | Ch0Hag | The only agency that even bothered to talk to me is representing a job (otherwise a perfect fit) on the other bloody side of London. |
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| 12:44.53 | niv_one_three | does anyone know how to mount a compact flash that is in a pcmcia daptor on my thinkpad laptop? |
| 12:45.04 | niv_one_three | I dont see it in my /sys/block |
| 12:45.14 | wethrin | check dmesg to see if it's been detected |
| 12:47.08 | niv_one_three | I do see pccard: pcmcia card inserted into slot 0 |
| 12:48.12 | wethrin | But that's it? |
| 12:48.19 | wethrin | I should appear just as a SCSI disk |
| 12:51.13 | niv_one_three | I am tring to re merge hal with the pcmcia flag |
| 12:51.18 | niv_one_three | this may help? |
| 12:52.47 | goibhniu | that will probably automount it to /media/disk for you |
| 12:53.17 | goibhniu | but you can probably also mount /dev/sda1 or somefink |
| 12:53.31 | niv_one_three | no /dev/sda* |
| 12:54.07 | goibhniu | have you got cardmgr ? |
| 12:54.36 | niv_one_three | what is this cardmgr? |
| 12:55.53 | goibhniu | or no ... looks like it's pccardctl now |
| 12:56.17 | goibhniu | try `pccardctl status` |
| 12:57.04 | niv_one_three | I dont have this command |
| 12:58.11 | niv_one_three | when running cardmgr I get : cardmgr[28018]: watching 1 socket |
| 12:58.33 | goibhniu | ah |
| 12:58.44 | goibhniu | you probably have cardctl then |
| 12:59.24 | goibhniu | `cardctl status`? |
| 13:01.25 | goibhniu | I'd say re-emerging hal is the answer |
| 13:12.44 | niv_one_three | cardctl status gives: Socket 0: 3.3v 16-bit PC card function 0: [ready] |
| 13:12.52 | niv_one_three | so it does see it |
| 13:13.12 | niv_one_three | so how come no object in /sys/block ? |
| 13:13.58 | goibhniu | is it formatted? |
| 13:14.18 | niv_one_three | FAT |
| 13:14.32 | goibhniu | have you got support for it in the kernel? |
| 13:16.06 | niv_one_three | I marked all I had in the device / pcmcia |
| 13:19.15 | niv_one_three | do I need scsi pcmcia modules? |
| 13:20.14 | antiphase | Boot a livecd of a sensible distro, insert the device and see what it does |
| 13:20.31 | goibhniu | I like the sound of that ... yubnub is down otherwise I'd probably be able to tell you |
| 13:20.44 | goibhniu | or you could always use genkernel |
| 13:24.08 | jcookeman | stop using gentoo for fuck sake |
| 13:26.55 | goibhniu | it doesn't help that the wiki is down either |
| 13:27.07 | goibhniu | since yesterday |
| 13:28.06 | jcookeman | it's ok goibhniu, they're probably doing an `emerge update world` |
| 13:28.31 | antiphase | Real men use -NDuav |
| 13:28.41 | antiphase | preceded by --depclean |
| 13:30.15 | jcookeman | yes "real men" set at home watching their emerge --depclean -NDuav update world while others are out with the ladies :D |
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| 13:34.57 | goibhniu | ~wtf ladies |
| 13:36.29 | goibhniu | ibot real men |
| 13:36.30 | ibot | Real men code with a magnet! |
| 13:36.52 | jcookeman | rofl |
| 13:37.26 | jcookeman | I used to set 32 bit switches to manually set registers |
| 13:37.28 | jcookeman | does that count? |
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| 13:52.35 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; hiyas |
| 13:52.48 | boudiccas | snuff |
| 13:54.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: We wish you a merry Christmas we wish you... |
| 13:55.34 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Is it December yet? |
| 13:55.40 | boudiccas | getting in the christmas spirit a bit early aren't you??? |
| 13:55.48 | boudiccas | no its not my birthday yet |
| 13:56.16 | boudiccas | kontact has just crashed :( |
| 13:56.40 | dick_turpin | I thought I'd start early give you all a chance to get me a really good present |
| 13:56.42 | Cope | I see the problem |
| 13:57.45 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oi |
| 13:58.08 | wethrin | Cope! |
| 13:58.28 | Cope | hi wethrin |
| 13:59.01 | wethrin | You going to be around over Christmas/New Year time? |
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| 14:19.35 | dick_turpin | Wheres bilarh? I miss his insults |
| 14:21.03 | boudiccas | hes been anducted by rl |
| 14:22.42 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You're pissed again |
| 14:24.42 | boudiccas | i wish |
| 14:24.54 | boudiccas | dv tomorrow i will be at our social meet |
| 14:25.26 | boudiccas | deo volente |
| 14:26.26 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I went to the Wolves-Lug meet last night, pretty cool really |
| 14:26.47 | boudiccas | lug meets usually are, even the social ones |
| 14:27.10 | boudiccas | good chat, good beer, and good food all adds up to a good evening |
| 14:27.40 | boudiccas | what did they talk about last night??? |
| 14:28.06 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ah, no beer, lots of Laptops, some damaged, mini 'show and tell' + install fest |
| 14:28.20 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; ah, sounds like fun |
| 14:28.36 | boudiccas | how many folks were there??? roughly |
| 14:29.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: yeah, been nearly 18 Months since I last went to one of their meets |
| 14:29.56 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; how many folks were there??? roughly |
| 14:30.08 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: There was 15+ everyone was shocked to see me I did'nt know I was going till 6pm last night |
| 14:30.25 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: S I turned up unannounced |
| 14:30.26 | boudiccas | didnt they go to a pub afterwards?? most seem to |
| 14:30.44 | boudiccas | quite a reasonable number then |
| 14:31.33 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: We had so much fun, I left around 10.30pm, met in a meeting room in a Tower Block |
| 14:35.04 | boudiccas | still time for a quick pint in the pub :) |
| 14:35.34 | boudiccas | time to eat i think |
| 14:37.13 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: here is some minutes/notes I posted about it http://rafb.net/p/7DzpZX68.html |
| 14:40.51 | boudiccas | sounds interesting |
| 14:41.17 | boudiccas | especially the footnote. is there a live distro cd of archlinux??? |
| 14:41.47 | boudiccas | i'll be chatting in bursts for a wee while as i've just got my dinner on the go |
| 14:44.46 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i guess not then, especially as you were looking at mepis the other day because it was a live distro |
| 14:48.46 | goibhniu | oi dick_turpin |
| 14:49.01 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No Live CD I'm afraid |
| 14:49.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Hugs |
| 14:52.25 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Now where you gone? |
| 14:54.34 | boudiccas | eating dinner i'm afriad |
| 14:54.38 | boudiccas | *afraid |
| 14:55.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Whats praddles? |
| 14:56.01 | boudiccas | sound slike somethign that kids do!!! |
| 14:56.26 | boudiccas | *sounds like |
| 14:56.41 | goibhniu | looking left and right and making small noise |
| 14:56.56 | goibhniu | jeez dick_turpin ... you're really behind the times |
| 14:57.56 | goibhniu | so dick_turpin they let you back in the gang? |
| 15:01.22 | goibhniu | Leeds: £2.95 for 8 pieces with salmon and avocado .. the good stuff from the Japan Centre |
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| 15:04.37 | dick_turpin | brb selling server |
| 15:13.55 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: any idea how much juice (psu) would I need for a quad core q6600 with two hdds and an nvidia 8500, 4gb ram (does that even matter?) ... or a good place to go to find out? |
| 15:14.35 | wethrin | The RAM would matter, but nothing significant |
| 15:16.02 | goibhniu | I was surprised that a lot PSUs are 350-400W ... I was expecting them to be more ... any idea if that would cover it? |
| 15:16.12 | antiphase | You'll end up spending about the same amount on the PSU either way, because buying a cheap one is false economy |
| 15:16.49 | antiphase | That said, I use a £17 one at home to run a reasonably meaty machine |
| 15:17.08 | goibhniu | well I could get an expensive feeble one |
| 15:17.24 | jcookeman | 350-400watt is plenty |
| 15:17.36 | antiphase | Get a decent make, and you'll be fine. I'd have a butchers at overclockers.co.uk |
| 15:17.42 | goibhniu | sweet, thanks |
| 15:18.48 | goibhniu | quietness would be the top priority after "doing the job without exploding" |
| 15:19.28 | Leeds | goibhniu: sushi or sashimi? |
| 15:19.37 | antiphase | http://www.quietpc.com/ |
| 15:19.44 | goibhniu | Leeds: sushi |
| 15:19.55 | Leeds | ah, I was talking about sashimi |
| 15:20.23 | boudiccas | whats the difference between sushi and sashimi please?? |
| 15:20.33 | goibhniu | £2.50 for 3 pieces of tuna sashimi |
| 15:20.37 | wethrin | ~wiki sashimi |
| 15:20.40 | Leeds | sashimi is just meat - and in theory at least, is the best meat |
| 15:20.52 | wethrin | ~wiki sushi |
| 15:20.56 | Leeds | sushi involves sushi rice, so you're getting a lot less meat |
| 15:21.13 | antiphase | Fish! |
| 15:21.19 | goibhniu | wethrin: hit me |
| 15:21.23 | wethrin | Today's fish is trout a la creme, enjoy your meal |
| 15:21.32 | boudiccas | ah ty |
| 15:21.41 | Leeds | fish! |
| 15:21.56 | wethrin | Today's fish is trout a la creme, enjoy your meal |
| 15:22.05 | Leeds | ibot fish! |
| 15:22.06 | ibot | Todays fish is Trout a-la Creme, Enjoy your meal. |
| 15:22.25 | dick_turpin | Ha ha and another Lamb goes to the slaughter |
| 15:22.54 | boudiccas | so you sold your server then?? |
| 15:23.19 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; so you sold your server then?? |
| 15:23.38 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: :-) plus Lappy + Internet services |
| 15:23.44 | Leeds | boudiccas: for what it's worth, for a meal, I'd normally have 2-4 sushi dishes, 50p to £1 each or so, and one sashimi dish for £2-£2.50 |
| 15:23.47 | boudiccas | woohoo, thats good |
| 15:24.15 | boudiccas | ah, thanks Leeds |
| 15:24.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Plus I'm making him come here with £1000.00 deposit |
| 15:24.28 | Leeds | maybe 75p-£1.25 |
| 15:24.34 | goibhniu | Leeds: heh! .. same price as here! |
| 15:24.43 | Leeds | goibhniu: but I think I get more |
| 15:24.48 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; what is he dressed like? i'll rob him before he gets to you :) |
| 15:24.51 | Leeds | e.g. sashimi is normally 4-5 slices |
| 15:25.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm on the ArchLinux Laptop brought it into work today |
| 15:26.04 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; did you finally sort out your problem with archlinux or did you call it a day and do a reinstall??? |
| 15:27.36 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its wiped for the minute, Mandriva balked too simply mepis is on there now (Boy I'm good) did all that last night before going to the meeting |
| 15:28.43 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: If I can get away with it will time trial Mepis tonight |
| 15:28.49 | boudiccas | i like simply mepis |
| 15:29.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes, the black sheep was welcomed back into the fold |
| 15:29.41 | goibhniu | hehe .. black sheep .. wolves .. I get it! |
| 15:29.55 | boudiccas | and the good shepherd of time wondered how many more of his sheep were missing |
| 15:29.57 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes but no pork |
| 15:30.22 | boudiccas | let me introduce the teams |
| 15:30.30 | popey | Leeds: which one do you have? |
| 15:31.12 | Leeds | the 4GB - the only one currently shipping |
| 15:31.16 | popey | ahh |
| 15:31.27 | popey | didnt realise they werent shipping yet |
| 15:31.31 | popey | how do you find it, any good? |
| 15:31.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Did you read my pastebin that I posted earlier? |
| 15:31.55 | Leeds | they're on the streets of HK... but then things tend to be here before there |
| 15:32.08 | Leeds | popey: you will have seen my write-up on my blog, of course... |
| 15:32.09 | popey | sure |
| 15:32.14 | popey | no, not yet |
| 15:32.21 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: not yet ... my sys is ram starved |
| 15:32.49 | Leeds | short summary - yes, very good for the money |
| 15:32.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I can sell you an upgrade :-D |
| 15:33.50 | popey | Leeds: bought one for wifey, one for daughter |
| 15:33.58 | popey | what email client does it come with? |
| 15:34.05 | Leeds | popey: I was at a web/techie networking-type thing last night, and there were at least 5 of them there, only one of which was running Windows... one bloke asked me if I had any trouble using Linux ;-) |
| 15:34.08 | popey | needs to be something that does imap |
| 15:34.11 | Leeds | thunderbird |
| 15:34.15 | popey | oh cool! |
| 15:34.46 | Leeds | that's the whole point of the thing - the software suite is firefox, thunderbird, openoffice.org, pidgin, acroread, etc. etc. |
| 15:35.06 | popey | all of which she already uses on ubuntu |
| 15:35.08 | Leeds | it's got a nice friendly menu sitting in front of it, but underneath It's Just Linux [TM] |
| 15:35.14 | popey | very nice |
| 15:35.22 | popey | multiple user accounts supported? |
| 15:35.37 | Leeds | don't think so - you could probably make it do so though |
| 15:35.54 | Leeds | default is one user, called user, with unlimited password-less sudo |
| 15:36.16 | popey | wonder why they chose xandros |
| 15:36.23 | Leeds | dunno |
| 15:37.12 | Leeds | one other interesting point is that while the pretty front-end only has links for a few - quite a few, but a fixed number of - apps, there are others installed... so I was happy to find rdesktop was just available this afternoon |
| 15:39.27 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you wanna recommend a mobo? |
| 15:40.14 | goibhniu | err. socket 7755(?) ... the one for quad cores (and core 2 duo iirc) |
| 15:40.32 | popey | Leeds: what's the battery life like? |
| 15:40.49 | Leeds | decent but not stunning |
| 15:40.52 | popey | i have an Intel Classmate PC here, and it _looks_ like it blows goats compared to the Eee PC |
| 15:41.00 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Nice, email me the specs, slabber slabber drool drool |
| 15:41.31 | Leeds | one of the blokes I met at this thing last night - and one of the guys who appears to be trying to convene a User Group - is an Intel engineer who apparent has stacks of Classmate PCs in his office |
| 15:41.45 | Leeds | he offered to lend me one to play with, but I'd have to give it back :-( |
| 15:42.40 | popey | i have one on loan from canonical |
| 15:42.49 | popey | the current version sucks quite hard |
| 15:43.01 | popey | aiui it's not intended to be a great product |
| 15:43.07 | popey | they are using it to stimulate the market |
| 15:43.12 | popey | get OEMs to make similar products |
| 15:43.17 | popey | (which Asus clearly are doing) |
| 15:43.28 | Leeds | to be honest, I'd still like an XO machine... the 'tablet' screen, multi-mode, long long long battery, etc |
| 15:43.55 | popey | the 1.5 classmate has a usb attached flash disk and a celeron 900MHz with no level 2 cache, so IO is painful |
| 15:43.56 | Leeds | Asus are going to sell as many of these things as they can make... it's the Wii of laptops, in a good way :-) |
| 15:44.03 | popey | yeah, i agree |
| 15:44.21 | Leeds | (hmm... just thought of that, must mention it in future blogging...) |
| 15:44.23 | popey | i ordered one black and one white eee, both 8gb |
| 15:44.27 | popey | :) |
| 15:44.58 | Leeds | Intel bloke was talking about the next-gen - faster chips, more storage, slightly bigger screens... should be similar price |
| 15:45.00 | popey | the nice thing about the classmate is the keyboard |
| 15:45.04 | popey | yeah |
| 15:45.13 | popey | the version 2 has 9" screen, proper hard disk |
| 15:45.21 | Leeds | I'd have to see/touch one to compare with the Eee |
| 15:45.32 | Leeds | seems there's a good chance of that happening soon |
| 15:45.34 | popey | the stupid thing is the 1.5 version (that I have) has an IDE interface but no disk |
| 15:45.57 | popey | I'm still not convinced about the XO given it runs sugar |
| 15:45.59 | Leeds | Eee is SATA-attached flash, at least at the bus level |
| 15:46.10 | popey | nice |
| 15:46.18 | popey | the usb attached flash on the classmate makes suspend/resume problematic |
| 15:46.23 | Leeds | yeah, might want to get rid of sugar - it's cool for what it is, but makes it less general-purpose |
| 15:46.23 | popey | well, non-functioning |
| 15:46.32 | Leeds | suspend/resume seems very reliable on the Eee |
| 15:48.38 | Leeds | the nice thing for me... on my 'real' laptop, right now, I'm running thunderbird, firefox, xchat, pidgin and a bunch of xterms... there's no xchat on the Eee, but there could easily be, and there is pidgin - so it came with all the software I normally use |
| 15:48.38 | popey | yeah, that is quite handy |
| 15:48.39 | popey | can you not "sudo apt-get install foo"? |
| 15:49.07 | Leeds | you can, as long as you add the standard repos - as shipped, it only knows about Asus-provided sources |
| 15:57.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: When are you in Liverpool next? |
| 15:58.18 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I don't really know tbh |
| 16:00.18 | dick_turpin | Ooh here comes the money |
| 16:03.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Was hoping you'd be up this way on the 26th of this month |
| 16:03.56 | goibhniu | what's down? |
| 16:04.19 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit goibhniu |
| 16:04.20 | ibot | ACTION punches goibhniu. |
| 16:04.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I could have met you I'm off that day |
| 16:06.08 | goibhniu | ah cool .. I'll keep that in mind ... I probablyy won't have much say in the matter though |
| 16:24.14 | zmey_g | goibhniu: did you try jinzora jukebox? |
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| 16:37.13 | hali | z00dax: yo? |
| 16:37.40 | hali | z00dax: if i want to bundle crud in the centos installer (installing over pxe), it's fine just to slap some rpms in the rpm tree and run createrepo right? |
| 16:44.06 | z00dax | hali: that might work, but its better to have another dir - and createrepo there, then add that as an external repo in the kickstart, and add the package names to the bottom as +<pkgname> |
| 16:44.54 | hali | hm, need to read up on that, but it makes sense |
| 16:45.56 | z00dax | its a oneline'r in the ks.cfg file, creating a new repo is just the case of having a dir visible over http, drop your rpms in there, and createrepo . in that dir |
| 16:46.35 | hali | ok, i know how to create new repos, just not how to make them visiable in the installer, but reading the docs now |
| 16:59.06 | goibhniu | zmey_g: never heard of it |
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| 17:57.34 | Armand | Anyone about?? |
| 17:57.45 | wethrin | No |
| 17:57.52 | Armand | dang.. |
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| 18:00.18 | wethrin | hurrah! |
| 18:00.46 | Armand | I hope so. :) |
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| 18:03.13 | Discordian | Good luck |
| 18:03.25 | Armand | Its at Cash Converters. |
| 18:03.37 | Armand | I'll probably end up testing all the stuff coming in. |
| 18:03.41 | wethrin | not as a checkout monkey, though? |
| 18:04.17 | Armand | Nah.. |
| 18:04.34 | Armand | Thats simple stuff, well below my station.. :P |
| 18:04.37 | wethrin | :) |
| 18:05.10 | Armand | I might end up "advising" on the shop floor, so I'll still be selling stuff.. |
| 18:06.16 | Armand | lol |
| 18:06.24 | Armand | I've just grabbed the .torrent file. :) |
| 18:06.59 | Discordian | I'm doing a direct download |
| 18:07.18 | Armand | I can't.. |
| 18:07.27 | antiphase | o_O |
| 18:07.48 | Armand | Well, I'm on the laptop.. goes wherever I go. :) |
| 18:12.03 | Armand | Might take it round Steve's actually.. he has "upto" 8Mb. |
| 18:12.05 | Discordian | Hmmm I'm only get c190KB/s |
| 18:12.22 | Armand | peaked at 249... |
| 18:13.05 | Discordian | Hmm |
| 18:13.14 | Discordian | Pe |
| 18:13.28 | Discordian | Perhaps I should have gone for the torrent |
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| 18:14.41 | Armand | I'm getting 100KB/s+ from 1 source.. |
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| 18:16.49 | antiphase | The direct download doesn't seem to be good for much more than 10Mbps. That's what you get for using a pikey distro :P |
| 18:17.01 | Armand | ¬_¬ |
| 18:23.18 | Discordian | I only have 3.2Mb anyway |
| 18:23.33 | Armand | 145MB. |
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| 18:29.59 | guy_ | Hi |
| 18:33.25 | Armand | Laters all. :) |
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| 22:31.24 | Discordian | yay 7 mins till I have F8 |
| 22:36.42 | z00dax | goibhniu: they are way too biased |
| 22:37.23 | Discordian | I presume Centos 5.1 will begin soon |
| 22:37.32 | z00dax | Discordian: its building :) |
| 22:37.36 | Discordian | Given RHEL 5.1 has shipped |
| 22:38.32 | Discordian | Cool |
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| 22:44.31 | goibhniu | z00dax: they are .. but I was expecting worse to be honest .. they really reminded me how good mandriva is, although inadvertently .. I'd still say it's the best noob distro |
| 22:45.06 | wethrin | I shall avoid Mandriva on principle of it having a stupid name |
| 22:46.40 | hali | indeed, at least mandrake sounded cool |
| 22:49.15 | wethrin | indeed |
| 22:49.26 | z00dax | actually, its quite a good distro |
| 22:49.44 | z00dax | I just dont like the attitude of some of their people |
| 22:50.15 | wethrin | I didn't mind Mandrake. Preferred Slackware, though :) |
| 22:50.34 | wethrin | But because they changed the name to something stupid, I feel that I can't use it, on principle |
| 22:51.04 | z00dax | yeah, kinda like BSD and FreeBSD |
| 22:51.24 | Discordian | Hmmm |
| 22:51.32 | Discordian | I'd use FreeBSD |
| 22:51.49 | Discordian | I draw the line at OpenBSD |
| 22:52.18 | wethrin | OpenBSD rocks muchly |
| 22:52.27 | z00dax | wethrin: why ? |
| 22:52.42 | wethrin | Decent man pages, good wireless support |
| 22:52.48 | z00dax | about 10 years back, there was a point to it - was well worth looking at and running the BSD's. I just dont see the point anymore |
| 22:52.48 | wethrin | Rockin' packet filter |
| 22:53.13 | wethrin | ipchains/iptables/whatever-the-fuck-they-call-it-this-release make me want to KILL |
| 22:53.38 | Discordian | iptables rocks |
| 22:53.56 | wethrin | Maybe, if it didn't have a fucking braindead command-line syntax |
| 22:54.20 | z00dax | wethrin: there are a few web gui's for noobs too |
| 22:54.56 | wethrin | Gah. |
| 22:55.00 | z00dax | :D |
| 22:55.36 | wethrin | One should always know what things do |
| 22:55.51 | Discordian | i do |
| 22:56.00 | wethrin | Point-click-drool removes that knowledge |
| 22:56.09 | z00dax | within reason yes, but i am not going to tear apart a terradata app box, just cause i pass sql through there |
| 22:56.33 | Discordian | I use the CLI |
| 22:56.45 | z00dax | sql is cli isnt it ? |
| 22:57.00 | Discordian | or more exactly /etc/sysconfig/iptables |
| 22:57.00 | wethrin | As much as JAava is |
| 22:58.06 | z00dax | I stopped carring about the language an app is written in ever since i started caring about what i want to do |
| 22:58.15 | z00dax | java has its uses, i suppose |
| 22:58.33 | wethrin | Yes. It allows Sun to sell more powerful hardware to run their software :) |
| 22:58.37 | Discordian | eclipse has it's uses |
| 22:58.56 | wethrin | Yes....if you want to bring a computer to its knees :) |
| 22:59.06 | z00dax | wethrin: give it a few more years, sun is history anyway |
| 22:59.14 | z00dax | but then i suppose, sun |
| 22:59.17 | z00dax | gah |
| 22:59.24 | wethrin | unless they re-invent themselves in some way |
| 22:59.30 | z00dax | unlikely to happen |
| 22:59.31 | Discordian | They are |
| 22:59.43 | z00dax | the Niagra and Niagra2 are mostly dead in the water |
| 22:59.44 | Discordian | they sell linux boxes |
| 22:59.47 | Discordian | and windows |
| 22:59.52 | z00dax | Discordian: but no one wants to buy them from Sun :) |
| 23:00.07 | wethrin | SGI died when they started selling WinNT PCs |
| 23:00.24 | z00dax | there used to be a time when walking around in a DC, you would see 20 - 25% kit with Sun on them |
| 23:00.32 | Discordian | Indeed |
| 23:00.33 | z00dax | these days, its hard to spot them. |
| 23:00.39 | hali | well, the sun x4500 is a 100million dollar business on it's own, and thats just a flash pc |
| 23:00.59 | hali | and banks love the niagra cpu's |
| 23:01.26 | Discordian | I'd rather have a niagra2 than a quad opteron |
| 23:01.27 | z00dax | hali: i think last year Sun sold 8% of its projected numbers on the t1000 and t2000 |
| 23:01.44 | z00dax | with a 92% defecit in sales numbers, stock markets were not very happy :) |
| 23:02.02 | z00dax | i believe the latest gs recommendation on sun stock is 'sell sell' |
| 23:02.30 | Discordian | I can see apple buying sun |
| 23:02.36 | z00dax | Discordian: I'd go with the quad Opteron based on what I do and what I might be doing |
| 23:02.47 | wethrin | Look into a datacentre, and I'll bet that a significant number of machines won't have proper serial console (or equivalent) Access |
| 23:03.01 | hali | if those numbers are true it is quite sad indeed |
| 23:03.03 | Discordian | I'd not do serial console |
| 23:03.06 | z00dax | wethrin: lots have kvm-ip, and ipmi2 is popular. |
| 23:03.11 | Discordian | I'd use IPMI me now |
| 23:03.38 | Discordian | As I did last servers I deployed |
| 23:03.41 | hali | doesn't all server have better remote cards then plain ipmi these days? |
| 23:03.54 | hali | dell has drac, hp has ilo etc |
| 23:04.04 | z00dax | sun has pio |
| 23:04.16 | Discordian | I was stuck with 1650s |
| 23:04.17 | wethrin | LOM FTW |
| 23:04.26 | Discordian | with IPMi but no Drac |
| 23:04.36 | z00dax | hali: ipmi itself is quite basic, ipmi2 is not bad |
| 23:04.47 | hali | the nicest machine to work with ever build is the sun v480, great rsc |
| 23:04.52 | hali | imho |
| 23:04.54 | Discordian | That was ipmi2 |
| 23:05.52 | wethrin | I've been sufficiently happy with the Netra's LOM |
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| 23:06.43 | z00dax | LOM is ok |
| 23:07.11 | z00dax | i quite like the ability to chain the VIO stuff on a backlink too. |
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| 23:07.49 | z00dax | but the machines i like best are the ones i dont need to even look at such stuff for :) |
| 23:08.24 | Discordian | I want to play with nice toys again |
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| 23:09.42 | Discordian | Still I have an interview lined up and hopefully another one should be forthcoming tomorrow |
| 23:10.16 | wethrin | Will they allow you to play with nice toys? |
| 23:10.41 | Discordian | possibly |
| 23:11.01 | Discordian | I should come to the meet |
| 23:11.59 | Discordian | Though I shall have to scuttle off at 5 ish to the fireworks |
| 23:14.12 | Discordian | I'm intrigued Rich Jones is talking about FORTH |
| 23:22.17 | Discordian | FORTH and APL are languages I like a lot |
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