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| 07:56.31 | bilarh_ | my persons |
| 07:57.50 | hali | go watch persona |
| 07:57.59 | hali | perhaps you have even more persons than you think |
| 07:58.14 | hali | Ingmar Bergman at his best |
| 07:59.13 | bilarh_ | wow, there's 37 persons only in here (granted, ibot and that new kid on the block, xteddy, don't really count) |
| 07:59.24 | bilarh_ | i need a content management system |
| 07:59.30 | bilarh_ | sort of like a blog type thing |
| 07:59.39 | bilarh_ | but i don't want it to necessarily look like a blog |
| 07:59.55 | hali | digiwiki? |
| 08:00.30 | bilarh_ | hmm, looking |
| 08:00.41 | hali | as in digits wiki |
| 08:00.46 | bilarh_ | oh right |
| 08:00.51 | hali | not an actually publishing software :) |
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| 08:01.04 | bilarh_ | don't have enough time to roll my own i think |
| 08:01.11 | bilarh_ | i need a pre-packaged solution that i can extend easily |
| 08:01.22 | hali | that wordpress malarky is ment to be alright |
| 08:01.35 | bilarh_ | ah wordpress, heard good things about that |
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| 08:45.23 | bilarh_ | would all the idiots calling my work phone to let me know that their child is ill today so can't attend "The green school" please stop calling me!? |
| 08:45.51 | bilarh_ | i have at least five calls a day |
| 08:45.56 | bilarh_ | about the bloody green school |
| 08:46.11 | bilarh_ | and i only get about six external calls a day |
| 08:46.34 | bilarh_ | this week has so far seen a 100% failure rate |
| 08:47.06 | bilarh_ | and yesterday my boss picked up my phone and the guy goes "Hi... i got this number from Linda... are you the guys who sell drugs ... err i mean trucks?" |
| 08:47.17 | bilarh_ | my business empire is exposed :-( |
| 09:47.58 | wethrin | bilarh_: "I'm sorry, under the recent anti-truancy laws, you will be fined if your child doesn't turn up to school, even if he is ill" |
| 09:51.11 | bilarh_ | wethrin: ah, evil.... I like it :D |
| 09:53.37 | bilarh_ | tcl is such a backwards lagnuage, but expect is really cool |
| 09:53.54 | bilarh_ | i'm in a dilemma now... do i release my code as gpl on the web, or do I not? :-) |
| 09:54.55 | wethrin | BSD |
| 09:54.56 | wethrin | HTH |
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| 09:56.36 | bilarh_ | wethrin: fascist |
| 09:56.39 | bilarh_ | hth :p |
| 09:56.42 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next Meeting, 10th November, Westminster University | http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 09:56.46 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 09:56.47 | wethrin | Bite me :-P |
| 10:06.09 | zmey_g | morning all |
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| 11:07.05 | bilarh_ | don't know if this is old, but anyway: www.moanmyip.com |
| 11:07.34 | wethrin | It's old |
| 11:07.41 | bilarh_ | ok then |
| 11:07.48 | bilarh_ | bite me! :P |
| 11:08.01 | wethrin | give a talk to Gllug at some point! |
| 11:09.38 | bilarh_ | wethrin: saturday's are hard unfortunately :( |
| 11:09.54 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: see what you do... you've only been here for 10 minutes and already you're lowering the tone |
| 11:11.27 | wethrin | bah |
| 11:12.37 | goibhniu | etorix: wanna talk about sidux? |
| 11:12.55 | etorix | ok |
| 11:13.01 | goibhniu | ace! |
| 11:13.13 | etorix | what, at a meeting? |
| 11:13.18 | goibhniu | Nov 10? |
| 11:13.23 | goibhniu | yep |
| 11:13.30 | etorix | hmm .. not really |
| 11:13.47 | wethrin | No, not Nov. 10th |
| 11:13.54 | wethrin | We've got speakers then |
| 11:14.11 | goibhniu | oh? ... all booked up? .. brilliant |
| 11:14.17 | wethrin | yeah |
| 11:14.21 | etorix | wonder if i can blag someone else ti |
| 11:14.32 | wethrin | I really wanted to hear the talk on Forth, though :( |
| 11:14.34 | etorix | s/ti/to |
| 11:14.47 | wethrin | Speakers are good! |
| 11:14.59 | wethrin | If people want to help find speakers, that'd be verrah niize of them |
| 11:16.43 | dick_turpin | I could phone :-) |
| 11:17.52 | wethrin | phone-in speakers? |
| 11:19.19 | etorix | vid-link, live streaming |
| 11:20.05 | etorix | i could get someone in berlin to do that, if you set up this end |
| 11:20.54 | goibhniu | that would be über |
| 11:21.04 | goibhniu | if we could set that up :) |
| 11:21.20 | etorix | in english, too |
| 11:21.44 | goibhniu | in german with a live interpreter would be even better |
| 11:22.00 | goibhniu | it'd feel like we were in Europe |
| 11:22.17 | etorix | um, hes a merkin in berlin |
| 11:22.18 | goibhniu | is the forth talk cancelled? |
| 11:22.35 | goibhniu | that wouldn't be european at all then :( |
| 11:22.43 | wethrin | goibhniu: No |
| 11:23.01 | etorix | but he writes for chip.de, does linux-fest thingies |
| 11:23.13 | goibhniu | wethrin: ah .. I understand |
| 11:23.24 | wethrin | Speakers for future meetings |
| 11:23.39 | goibhniu | wethrin: if it's ok with everyone ... I'll video it |
| 11:23.51 | wethrin | I'd love to see a video of it :) |
| 11:25.12 | etorix | wonder how many hits a forth talk would get on youtube |
| 11:25.25 | dick_turpin | Hooray a webinat opportunity |
| 11:25.30 | dick_turpin | webinar |
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| 11:27.09 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Wash your mouth out! |
| 11:27.16 | wethrin | We'll have none of that talk here! |
| 11:27.41 | Armand | And I missed it, typical. :P |
| 11:27.47 | etorix | ubr04.haye, is that hayes |
| 11:27.53 | Armand | yup |
| 11:28.02 | Armand | shithole! :P |
| 11:30.04 | wethrin | Armand: He said "webinar" |
| 11:30.12 | etorix | my guy says yes, in principle |
| 11:30.13 | Armand | aaahh |
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| 11:30.51 | etorix | goibhniu: guy says yes, in principle |
| 11:30.56 | wethrin | etorix: Hurrah! |
| 11:31.26 | goibhniu | etorix: oh ... can we do video casting? |
| 11:31.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I cant, I still have bilarh_'s arm in my jaws |
| 11:31.48 | etorix | details, dear boy, details |
| 11:31.51 | goibhniu | maybe I can test something out at the next talk |
| 11:32.31 | goibhniu | can he send over a movie of his talk ... and we can pretend it's streaming? |
| 11:33.00 | etorix | hes too busy to discuss right this minute |
| 11:33.13 | etorix | hes off out |
| 11:33.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: We'll have none of your scams here mate, you ought to be honest like me :-) |
| 11:33.29 | etorix | but i can bring him on here later |
| 11:33.42 | goibhniu | etorix: that's great |
| 11:33.59 | goibhniu | that forth talk sounds like it's gonna be awesome |
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| 11:34.35 | etorix | hey devil |
| 11:34.40 | devil | hi |
| 11:34.40 | etorix | this is he |
| 11:34.43 | devil | hi etorix |
| 11:34.48 | goibhniu | hi devil |
| 11:34.55 | etorix | goibhniu ** |
| 11:35.04 | devil | hi goibhniu |
| 11:35.06 | goibhniu | so we hear you can speak |
| 11:35.06 | devil | and all |
| 11:35.37 | devil | goibhniu: well, i have no time atm, gotta leave in 10, just wanted to say hello |
| 11:35.57 | goibhniu | devil: ah cool |
| 11:36.16 | goibhniu | you're in berlin? |
| 11:36.21 | devil | yep |
| 11:36.29 | devil | good place to live |
| 11:36.31 | goibhniu | I think it's my favourite place |
| 11:36.53 | goibhniu | belug seems a bit dead though |
| 11:37.06 | devil | it is, yes |
| 11:37.23 | devil | maybe sidux could shake them up a bit ;) |
| 11:37.34 | goibhniu | I was in an anarchist café there the last time ... that had a very nice linux box for free surfing |
| 11:37.57 | devil | goibhniu: c-base? |
| 11:38.16 | goibhniu | I don't know ... it was very locked down |
| 11:38.41 | goibhniu | is that the cafe or a distro? |
| 11:38.55 | goibhniu | it was in prenzlauerberg somewhere |
| 11:39.34 | devil | http://www.c-base.org/ weird page, i know, but a great place |
| 11:40.22 | goibhniu | ah no .. just a normal anarchist cafe |
| 11:40.30 | goibhniu | that looks cool though |
| 11:42.42 | devil | good climate as well ;) |
| 11:43.13 | goibhniu | it does get chilly in the winter though ... but then again .. there's gluh wein |
| 11:43.40 | bilarh_ | giobhniu: have you got a link to the forth talk agenda? |
| 11:43.48 | bilarh_ | or whatever the right word is :P |
| 11:43.57 | goibhniu | bilarh_: in the ML ... there's a teaser |
| 11:44.17 | devil | goibhniu: gotta run for now, be back |
| 11:44.26 | goibhniu | devil: later |
| 11:44.29 | devil | bye all |
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| 11:44.44 | goibhniu | bilarh_: have a look out for "FORTH talk for GLLUG?" |
| 11:44.54 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: ah cheers |
| 11:44.57 | goibhniu | sent 17 hours ago |
| 11:45.15 | bilarh_ | excellent, it should be on only the third or fourth page of spam then :) |
| 11:45.18 | goibhniu | the devil seems like a nice bloke |
| 11:45.32 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: that's what he wants y ou to think! |
| 11:46.16 | goibhniu | bilarh_: you're making your email solution sound like outlook |
| 11:46.37 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: worse... think outlook web client :-\ |
| 11:46.51 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: without the active x components |
| 11:46.57 | bilarh_ | i found it now |
| 11:47.02 | bilarh_ | it sounds cool actually :D |
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| 11:47.57 | goibhniu | "Since I've spent much of the last 3 weeks on trains and planes, my FORTH compiler[1] grew all sorts of features like an assembler[2], an inlining optimiser, a decompiler, exceptions, stack traces, and other ridiculous stuff. It actually got smaller during that time too." |
| 11:48.23 | goibhniu | "I've got a vague plan for an interesting talk around this, but it might be a little bit ... geeky. I can make it entertaining. And it doesn't have very much to do with Linux." |
| 11:48.38 | goibhniu | sorry bilarh_ I wanted you to find it for yourself first |
| 11:48.46 | bilarh_ | i found it already :P |
| 11:48.55 | bilarh_ | burn the channel flooder! |
| 11:49.33 | bilarh_ | *whooompf* |
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| 11:51.28 | wethrin | "In the navy, they teach us not to piss on our hands in the first place" |
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| 11:54.04 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: aww, you can join in on the fun too |
| 11:56.36 | goibhniu | how fat is archie? |
| 11:57.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: He's filling out nicely |
| 11:57.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Had me in stitches at the weekend, he tried to be a smart arse and jump through the patio doors |
| 11:58.10 | goibhniu | ouch! |
| 11:58.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Only one problem they was closed at the time |
| 11:58.40 | goibhniu | maybe he's part bird? |
| 11:59.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The funny bit was when he walked back looking very confused and sniffed them, as if that made any differance |
| 12:05.43 | dick_turpin | I went to the South Staffs Lug meeting last night at Keele University |
| 12:05.59 | bilarh_ | did they let you in? |
| 12:06.02 | dick_turpin | Here are the minutes if anyone is interested http://images.centrosales.co.uk/General/south_staffs_lug_meet.htm |
| 12:06.33 | dick_turpin | There are some 'Comments' errors I'm afraid |
| 12:07.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Yeah they had to, I still have the photo's ;-) |
| 12:07.43 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: wow, those minutes read like a transcript of #gllug with you making random comments ;-) |
| 12:07.51 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Please note I tried to convert them to irssi |
| 12:08.30 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'm a random kinda guy :-P |
| 12:09.47 | dick_turpin | By the way Peter C is me for those that don't know |
| 12:10.12 | bilarh_ | Some of the "IT Technicians" in schools are barely qualified. Head teachers and councils look out for the big shiny gold MICROSOFT CERTIFIED badge, which is worth about as much as "dir" in Linux. |
| 12:10.17 | bilarh_ | :D |
| 12:10.23 | Armand | lol |
| 12:10.35 | bilarh_ | (from the notes) |
| 12:10.42 | Armand | My first linux mistake.. "dir" :P |
| 12:10.52 | bilarh_ | yeah, that had me miffed for a while as well |
| 12:11.00 | bilarh_ | but i was only about 15... bless :P |
| 12:11.27 | Armand | I think that was trying to install Gentoo, about 2 years ago? |
| 12:18.15 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: did they like arch? |
| 12:18.26 | goibhniu | I heard of another distro using pacman yesterday |
| 12:18.32 | goibhniu | frugalware iirc |
| 12:18.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah, very and with compiz-fusion |
| 12:18.57 | goibhniu | nice ... I don't notice much different about 0.6 tbh |
| 12:19.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: hows portage (may have spelt that wrong) work then they talked about that |
| 12:19.30 | goibhniu | I don't know how they get that expo with the four viewports tiled |
| 12:19.59 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Sorry. portage work? |
| 12:20.20 | goibhniu | portage yeah ... from a user's perspective? |
| 12:20.47 | goibhniu | you've got a few files (4?) where you set things up |
| 12:20.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes, I pretended I knew what it was so I didn't look dumber than usual |
| 12:21.32 | goibhniu | you set general "flags" for the kind of system you want ...e.g. your graphics card, your desktop preference etc |
| 12:21.42 | dick_turpin | K |
| 12:22.04 | goibhniu | and then you can specify flags for any packages individually that you want to do something different |
| 12:22.14 | dick_turpin | hm |
| 12:22.31 | goibhniu | you can specify a particular version of a package ... or whether you want cutting edge or stable |
| 12:22.55 | dick_turpin | blimey, complicated then? |
| 12:23.07 | goibhniu | then when you install stuff it looks at these settings and compiles stuff according to your wishes |
| 12:23.29 | dick_turpin | So can you set like a profile then? |
| 12:23.35 | goibhniu | well, as complicated as saying .. I want firefox, and I want a flash plugin with it |
| 12:23.57 | goibhniu | for anything you don't care about .. you generally don't have to worry about |
| 12:24.20 | goibhniu | but sometimes when you want to install something it will say you need to reinstall something else with something support |
| 12:24.34 | dick_turpin | but hang on, whats different from yum install firefox flash-plugin ? |
| 12:24.54 | goibhniu | you set and forget ... and update |
| 12:25.00 | goibhniu | that's why I like it |
| 12:25.24 | dick_turpin | OK so in a sense thats similar to my pacman then? |
| 12:25.36 | goibhniu | I'd imagine they're very close |
| 12:26.01 | dick_turpin | I'd say its not for a n00b though? |
| 12:26.03 | goibhniu | I don't know how flexible pacman is if you want to install older versions of things? |
| 12:26.14 | goibhniu | depends what you're into |
| 12:26.24 | goibhniu | I think gentoo's niche is for developers |
| 12:26.39 | goibhniu | also for clusters |
| 12:26.45 | Armand | funny, coz I was told Gentoo = ricer?? :P |
| 12:26.46 | dick_turpin | hm, interesting. PeterB uses it for his servers |
| 12:26.53 | goibhniu | not really what you want for an apache farm |
| 12:27.17 | goibhniu | it's overkill if you only want standard configurations |
| 12:27.32 | goibhniu | and every distro has ways to customise things |
| 12:27.46 | goibhniu | e.g. using your own repo for debian |
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| 12:28.01 | goibhniu | ~seen Gunde |
| 12:28.08 | ibot | gunde is currently on #gllug (14s), last said: 'Can anybody explain this to me? http://www.gunde.de/bilder/contradiction.jpg'. |
| 12:29.54 | Gunde | d-: |
| 12:29.54 | goibhniu | Gunde: you haven't been here for ages! |
| 12:29.54 | Gunde | I know |
| 12:29.54 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: gentoo is the wrong choice for most noobs ... because they probably want to try out lots of things to see if they like them or not |
| 12:29.54 | goibhniu | and compiling everything takes the fun out of it |
| 12:29.54 | Gunde | Just wanted to check... Simon works for ukfsn, right? |
| 12:29.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah and slackware too I'd imagine |
| 12:30.03 | Armand | I hated all the fking about to install/config gentoo. |
| 12:30.10 | goibhniu | I can really only compare it to ubuntu |
| 12:30.41 | goibhniu | it annoyed me intensely that to get recent nvidia drivers I had to add a repo which changed every time I upgraded the kernel |
| 12:30.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Rotfl four guys had Ubuntu installed and all four borked during the meet |
| 12:30.59 | goibhniu | ever time I rebooted it took 30 mins to find a repo that actually worked |
| 12:31.18 | goibhniu | there's no messing like that with gentoo |
| 12:31.37 | goibhniu | there are overlays that you can find and add without browsing the interweb |
| 12:31.48 | goibhniu | they are a bit like AUR I guess |
| 12:32.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah I leave AUR well alone |
| 12:32.58 | goibhniu | e.g. if you want to use a video editor and want to have the latest version |
| 12:33.07 | goibhniu | that kind of thing is a pain in ubuntu |
| 12:34.02 | goibhniu | I gather the pkgbuild thing in arch is slick |
| 12:34.10 | goibhniu | I dunno how it works though |
| 12:34.57 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Never used it as you saw in the 'notes' I'm not a big fan of compiling |
| 12:35.18 | goibhniu | Armand: last time I installed (last year) I just used the live-cd ... 15 mins to decide what I wanted and then let it do it's stuff |
| 12:35.47 | Armand | I think mine was the 2004 release? |
| 12:36.59 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: the kind of compiling I don't like is doing it all manually ... configuring, making, failing .. trying config flags ... looking up bug reports etc |
| 12:37.30 | Armand | Yeah, 2004.2 |
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| 12:37.52 | goibhniu | I am impressed with the 64bit support too |
| 12:38.27 | goibhniu | I hear of ubuntu users looking around for 64bit versions of packages .. uggh |
| 12:38.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That's the jigger, I love the one "Try compiling with the u flag" yet it still fails. |
| 12:39.05 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: so with gentoo/pacman that should all be set up for your system ... no messing around |
| 12:39.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Should it really read "I ain't got a fecking clue, just try anything"? |
| 12:39.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes |
| 12:39.54 | goibhniu | you can use checkinstall with ubuntu ... but that only keeps track of the package .. you still need to config and build it |
| 12:40.39 | goibhniu | but of course I use ubuntu as well |
| 12:40.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I think most use checkinstall Red Hat certainly doe's |
| 12:41.06 | goibhniu | on a via c5 gentoo doesn't make sense |
| 12:41.30 | goibhniu | or for a standalone desktop system anyway |
| 12:52.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Did you know about this? http://www.thelinuxlink.net/ I know one or two, are any of the others any good? |
| 12:53.08 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I was listening to a new podcast last night |
| 12:53.23 | goibhniu | yep ... I love tllts |
| 12:53.42 | goibhniu | the new one is http://www.linuxoutlaws.com |
| 12:53.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: what was the new one? |
| 12:53.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah they are on the list |
| 12:53.59 | goibhniu | it's on that page |
| 12:54.01 | goibhniu | :D |
| 12:54.25 | goibhniu | they were talking of aggregating all those streams into one fat linux stream |
| 12:54.29 | goibhniu | that would be handy |
| 12:55.37 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I was listening to LAS on my ipod while hurtling back down the M6 last night |
| 12:55.49 | goibhniu | ahh :) |
| 12:55.58 | goibhniu | they get very excited ... and squeaky |
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| 12:56.13 | goibhniu | their early shows are great |
| 12:56.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Currently getting through the back issues |
| 12:56.43 | goibhniu | the pure hatred for the evil fruit is music to my ears |
| 12:56.51 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Silly thing, but I love the artwork that they spew out with their feed, pretty slick |
| 12:57.08 | goibhniu | one of them was a mac developer until recently |
| 12:57.37 | goibhniu | so his derision has even more weight |
| 12:57.55 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: They're pretty rubbish presenters actually |
| 12:58.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But the content is pretty good |
| 12:58.22 | goibhniu | I dunno, they enjoy themselves and they talk about linux stuff |
| 12:58.37 | goibhniu | cheesy and merkin yes ... but I love them |
| 12:58.54 | goibhniu | do you listen to the lottalinuxlinks podcast? |
| 12:59.00 | goibhniu | that is often a gem |
| 12:59.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm an old fart, "hey dude" 300 times gets on my nerves a bit |
| 12:59.10 | goibhniu | I learnt a lot about ssh and screen from that |
| 12:59.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: No but I'm gonna add some of them tonight |
| 13:00.18 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: they're ex-mac users ... who knows what that does to a person |
| 13:00.59 | goibhniu | note ... lottalinuxlinks not TheLinuxLinksTechShow |
| 13:01.24 | goibhniu | although I love it too |
| 13:01.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: On the LAS they mentioned a solution with a Mac card or something and a humungous storage for 10k |
| 13:01.33 | goibhniu | yep |
| 13:02.02 | goibhniu | they're not freedom zealots ... they just hate mac for pragmatic reasons |
| 13:02.42 | wethrin | What? It works, so they have to find something useful to do instead of fixing their computers all the time? |
| 13:02.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Now that interested me, I need to look into that for introducing to my Windows customer base |
| 13:04.30 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Rotfl |
| 13:04.51 | goibhniu | wethrin: you need to say "It just works"(tm) |
| 13:05.28 | etorix | my first mac had a forth boot-loader |
| 13:05.44 | wethrin | Open firmware is a Forth system |
| 13:05.46 | etorix | open firmware |
| 13:06.01 | etorix | from sun, iirc |
| 13:06.29 | etorix | not hard to talk to |
| 13:06.48 | etorix | 68k was easier than the later PPC ones tho |
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| 13:11.02 | dick_turpin | I am I dreaming or has someone actually got Mac to run under VM? Also Its illegal isn't it? |
| 13:11.24 | wethrin | Which VM? |
| 13:11.31 | wethrin | why's it illegal? |
| 13:11.37 | goibhniu | I thought it wasn't too hard ... but criminal |
| 13:11.55 | wethrin | why's it illegal? |
| 13:12.03 | goibhniu | or you need a massively expensive licence |
| 13:12.18 | wethrin | Darwin's available for free |
| 13:12.21 | goibhniu | it's not a mac innit |
| 13:12.39 | wethrin | Check the licence if there's a restriction as to the hardware you can use |
| 13:12.53 | goibhniu | I believe there is |
| 13:12.54 | wethrin | I'm not sure that it's restricted. It just won't work on most PCs |
| 13:12.58 | etorix | Darwin's licence aint liberal, but the darwin kernel was kind of open-source |
| 13:13.44 | etorix | tricky to build tho |
| 13:14.06 | dick_turpin | I've never used a Mac, other than drool over one in PC World and The Mac shop Birmingham |
| 13:14.24 | goibhniu | most of my family use them |
| 13:14.35 | dick_turpin | Isn't there something like now left (or right) mouse click? |
| 13:14.35 | goibhniu | they can never open links to download stuff |
| 13:14.46 | dick_turpin | no |
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| 13:14.57 | goibhniu | one mouse button is on the keyboard |
| 13:15.14 | dick_turpin | How would you get around that using VM on a PC? |
| 13:15.17 | etorix | i never had issues downloading on mac |
| 13:15.30 | wethrin | Control-click does a right-click. Or just use a USB mouse |
| 13:15.38 | etorix | osx sees 3-button mice fine |
| 13:15.46 | etorix | yeah, usb |
| 13:16.43 | dick_turpin | We have a un-opened Office10 here cost 300.00 odd customer stitched us up. Pity I've nothing to put it on |
| 13:16.55 | goibhniu | I've tried to explain that one of the mouse buttons is on the keyboard but I think they get confused |
| 13:17.19 | goibhniu | it's a mac thing I guess ... like dragging a cd into the rubbish bin ejects it!? |
| 13:18.06 | Armand | I find pushing the eject button and throwing the disc in the bin much better. |
| 13:19.24 | goibhniu | the eject button on a mac is actually a paper clip |
| 13:19.46 | Armand | lol |
| 13:19.59 | dick_turpin | typical |
| 13:20.07 | etorix | f12 works too |
| 13:20.10 | blight | that's a feature |
| 13:20.35 | goibhniu | that's why it's so user friendly |
| 13:23.20 | dick_turpin | Here's another question, how many derivatives of bleedin Ubuntu is there? We manged to name 8 last night but I've just seen another |
| 13:23.46 | goibhniu | does that include the satanic version? |
| 13:23.52 | goibhniu | there are bucket loads |
| 13:24.39 | dick_turpin | I've just seen Gobuntu |
| 13:24.44 | blight | dont' you mean Debian? ;-) |
| 13:24.58 | etorix | Glo-buntu? |
| 13:25.15 | goibhniu | what's gobuntu? |
| 13:25.25 | goibhniu | linspire is now a derivative too I think |
| 13:25.39 | dick_turpin | blight: Ooh you musn't say that, go and stand in the corner |
| 13:26.14 | blight | :-) |
| 13:26.40 | popey | gobunru is the Free version of ubuntu |
| 13:26.43 | dick_turpin | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/gobuntu |
| 13:26.45 | popey | no proprietary stuff |
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| 13:27.10 | popey | *gobuntu even |
| 13:27.41 | wethrin | Ahh, so the one that won't play videos or MP3s? :) |
| 13:28.04 | popey | the one that wont STEAL YOUR FREEDOM |
| 13:28.06 | popey | </matt_lee> |
| 13:28.20 | goibhniu | I thought that was gnusense or something? |
| 13:28.21 | wethrin | Yes, but it's not as useful :) |
| 13:28.40 | popey | gnusense wasn't an official ubunt product |
| 13:28.42 | popey | gobuntu is |
| 13:28.48 | goibhniu | aha! |
| 13:29.11 | goibhniu | what does RMS run? |
| 13:29.19 | dick_turpin | popey: Jesus do you follow me around or something? |
| 13:29.20 | goibhniu | linus runs fedora I think |
| 13:29.29 | etorix | some sth american distro |
| 13:29.55 | etorix | hmm .. the beeb picked up on oink |
| 13:29.58 | etorix | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm |
| 13:30.05 | popey | Utotu isn't it? |
| 13:30.16 | etorix | thats rms, yeah |
| 13:30.47 | Armand | "Members paid 'donations' via debit or credit cards, ensuring their continued access to the site." |
| 13:30.51 | Armand | Dickheads! |
| 13:30.52 | etorix | linus stopped using his g5 , dunno what he uses now |
| 13:32.24 | dick_turpin | popey You seem to pop up in a lot of places I'm in, I must be important :-) |
| 13:32.38 | popey | you can keep thinking that |
| 13:37.26 | etorix | hmm .. oink was never a paysite, just ratio-nazis |
| 13:54.26 | zmey_g | Funny -> http://pastebin.com/d3190efd8 |
| 13:57.33 | Armand | Oh crap! |
| 13:57.44 | Armand | Memtest claims my RAM is borked.. >:( |
| 14:00.50 | antiphase | Should have gone to Specsavers |
| 14:01.00 | Armand | O_o |
| 14:11.09 | goibhniu | zmey_g: that's funny |
| 14:12.03 | goibhniu | zmey_g: my gf was on a video training course recently where they "taught" everyone how to test a 9v battery on their tongue |
| 14:15.21 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> it is, but i would argue, that all this really is British trait. Stupidity is international thing like Linux, has no boundaries. :) |
| 14:18.48 | goibhniu | what is it with the LTS if you can only upgrade to gutsy from feisty? |
| 14:19.32 | zmey_g | being on the slug i installed gobuntu on my laptop. lots of small annoying things come up. |
| 14:20.21 | goibhniu | I feel really lucky that the upgrade worked for me |
| 14:20.53 | popey | goibhniu: you can only upgrade from one non-LTS release to the next non-LTS (or LTS) release |
| 14:21.03 | popey | i.e. 5.04 to 5.10, 6.06.1 to 6.10, 7.04 to 7.10 |
| 14:21.08 | popey | you can't "skip" releases |
| 14:21.13 | popey | well, you can, but it's not supported |
| 14:21.40 | popey | the current LTS release is Dapper 6.06.1, the next one will be Hardy 8.04 |
| 14:21.56 | goibhniu | ohh .. I thought gutsy was LTS |
| 14:22.01 | popey | there _should_ be an upgrade path from dapper to hardy, but as development on hardy has barely started this is not confirmed yet |
| 14:22.04 | popey | no |
| 14:22.06 | popey | if it was LTS you would know about it |
| 14:22.13 | goibhniu | ok, that makes sense then |
| 14:22.21 | antiphase | It would appear that development barely took place on Gutsy before it was released |
| 14:22.38 | antiphase | Everyone here seems to have trashed their machines in one way or other today |
| 14:22.38 | popey | oh really antiphase |
| 14:22.48 | Armand | lol |
| 14:23.00 | popey | care to cite actual situations rather than heresay? |
| 14:23.25 | antiphase | udevd using 100% CPU was a good one |
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| 14:24.16 | antiphase | I think 1 of 5 upgrades went completely smoothly, which isn't particularly good for the usability for Joe Public |
| 14:24.28 | antiphase | I assume a clean install would have been better though |
| 14:24.37 | popey | it can be |
| 14:24.56 | popey | but to counter those stats I have upgraded 5 real machines and 1 vm, and none had any problems at all |
| 14:25.43 | goibhniu | according to the poll 23% "got many problems that i've not been able to solve" |
| 14:25.51 | popey | heh, yeah |
| 14:26.00 | popey | and of those people how many didn't even bother asking for help |
| 14:26.08 | popey | or used automatix or envy to fuck up their video driver |
| 14:26.14 | popey | that poll is meaningless |
| 14:26.27 | goibhniu | true ... lies and damned statistics |
| 14:26.48 | goibhniu | fwiw I just voted that it went flawlessly for me |
| 14:27.23 | goibhniu | ogg123 is the only thing that seems to be broken |
| 14:27.24 | popey | i haven't voted |
| 14:27.58 | popey | what's up with it? |
| 14:28.07 | goibhniu | mcop something something |
| 14:28.17 | goibhniu | I haven't looked into it yet |
| 14:28.21 | goibhniu | and I don't mind |
| 14:28.37 | goibhniu | hopefully some update or a reboot will fix it |
| 14:28.52 | popey | seems a common problem according to google |
| 14:28.58 | popey | can't create mcop file or something |
| 14:29.04 | goibhniu | that's the one |
| 14:29.18 | popey | you using kde? |
| 14:29.21 | goibhniu | nope |
| 14:29.25 | goibhniu | gnome |
| 14:30.08 | popey | google suggests removing various files to fix the issue |
| 14:30.23 | goibhniu | ah ok .. thanks ... don't worry about it |
| 14:30.31 | goibhniu | it's a really really minor issue IMO |
| 14:30.47 | goibhniu | as long as it does reboot :D |
| 14:31.02 | popey | :) |
| 14:34.57 | goibhniu | are you an ubuntu dev? |
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| 16:23.04 | popey | no |
| 16:23.22 | popey | i am the UK LoCo community team contact, and i run the screencast team http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/ |
| 16:25.27 | Leeds | popey: aren't you the king of UK LUGs as well? |
| 16:25.47 | popey | hahah |
| 16:26.02 | popey | not really, that's a mythical position dreamed up by loudmouthman |
| 16:26.09 | popey | I help a _bit_ with lug.org.uk |
| 16:26.32 | boudiccas | popey for president! |
| 16:26.38 | popey | :) |
| 16:27.32 | Leeds | popey: there you go - you've got the support of ancient royalty! |
| 16:29.23 | boudiccas | Leeds; less of the 'ancient' please!!! :))) |
| 16:29.37 | popey | no farcical aquatic ceremony though :( |
| 16:30.05 | popey | Tribal Wars really is quite a nice game |
| 16:30.21 | popey | http://tribalwars.net/ web based free MMMRROROMRMORMRORMG |
| 16:30.22 | popey | thing |
| 16:34.52 | Leeds | someone at work mentioned that they thought they'd found some python support in Vignette this afternoon - I went to search, but unfortunately "vignette python" tended to come up with short comedy sketches - including that one :-) |
| 16:35.42 | popey | :) |
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| 18:15.42 | goibhniu | http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ is possibly the best piece of literature ever written by a human |
| 18:17.02 | catalyst | the one that omes with an onion? =) |
| 18:17.39 | goibhniu | yep ... a real onion! ... right in the middle! |
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| 19:37.06 | hali | koftas ftw! |
| 19:55.43 | hali | ftw i say! |
| 19:56.13 | hali | !!!1one |
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