IRC log for #gllug on 20070924

00:11.10LeedsBatChainPuller: LUGRadio Live
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00:18.50BatChainPullerahhh
00:18.57BatChainPullerThank you
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07:54.16bilarhpeople
07:54.27bilarhhow was the glug meeting?
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08:15.30polyunixbenoyst>: as it was my first gllug, it was good for me.
08:16.50polyunixbilarh>: it was good
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08:18.29BatChainPullerGood morning
08:18.33goibhniuhi polyunix, nice to meet you on Saturday
08:18.59polyunixgoibhniu>: hi :)
08:19.09polyunixhow was the beer?
08:19.28goibhniutasty!
08:20.27polyunixon Wednesday i'm off work, it would be nice to meet you again
08:21.40polyunixgoibhniu>: on linux desktop talk.
08:21.42goibhniuthat sounds good ... do you want to do some surgery on your ibook?
08:21.57goibhniu(without anaesthetics)
08:22.03polyunixwhy not. i'll pick it up today
08:22.08goibhniucool
08:22.21polyunix:) might be painful
08:22.48polyunixsure
08:23.27polyunixwhen do you move home?
08:24.28goibhniuon Friday-Sunday
08:24.55goibhniuso I don't really know if I'll be getting stressed out on Wednesday or not
08:26.22goibhniuI think Be* have decided to do the opposite of what I asked and are gonna cut my internet connection on Thursday
08:26.41goibhniuso maybe next week would be better, although more difficult to coordinate
08:26.42murbwarum?
08:26.49goibhniubut wednesday sounds good for now
08:26.58goibhniumurb: you want a Be* rant?
08:35.07BatChainPullerAlas not me
08:36.47goibhniuyeah, I was hoping to talk to you ... didn't you make it?
08:42.34polyunixgllug is grate. at least it makes me realise i'm not the only weird person in the universe. :)
08:43.14bilarhgllug grates me as well :(
08:45.25polyunixbilarh>: i meant great.
08:46.09bilarhi know you did, i was just being an arse :-)
08:46.57polyunix:) i need more coffee to wake me up.
08:48.11goibhniubilarh: I learnt a new word this weekend
08:48.16goibhniu"book"
08:50.06goibhniuapprently you (as a street kid) can use it instead of "cool" because it comes  before "cool" when using predictive txt
08:51.45BatChainPullerI wasn't able to no
08:53.49polyunixgoibhniu>: when you use it never go to sleep. it might choke you, unless of cause this is not a comics book. :)
08:55.45goibhniuthat's life on the street for you ... always keep one eye open ;{
08:57.08polyunixgoibhniu>: i prefer to keep one eye shut.
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09:14.25bilarhgoibhniu: whoa, nice addition to the dictionary :D
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09:48.21ArmandMorning. :)
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10:09.04z00dax_WildernesHello
10:09.07ArmandHey guys!
10:09.14wethrinz00!
10:09.31z00dax_WildernesI wonder if there is a decent nntp reader for this nokia e61...
10:09.32gw280ARGH I HATE YOU ALL
10:09.38ArmandRAR
10:09.39gw280z00dax_Wildernes: ew, E61.
10:09.47wethringw280: Go away then :-P
10:09.51Armandlol
10:09.55gw280wethrin: die.
10:09.57z00dax_WildernesBrilliant device, does it all
10:10.01z00dax_WildernesWethrin
10:10.06wethringw280: You didn't even bother turning up on Saturday
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10:10.12ArmandGotta be better than the gay looking iPhone. :P
10:10.17z00dax_WildernesI was ther
10:10.22gw280wethrin: some of us were busy
10:10.33z00dax_WildernesBut had to scoot earlier than planned :(
10:10.38bilarhgw280 was probably busy shooting up as usual :-\
10:10.39*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater Linux LUG | http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
10:10.42*** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin
10:10.47Armandsadly, I couldn't make it.
10:10.55gw280anwyay, I'm no longer a member of GLLUG. Everyone knows this.
10:11.44z00dax_Wildernesgw280: joining is optional, leaving isnt
10:11.49wethrinYeah. Cambridge is quite far away
10:12.01gw280z00dax_Wildernes: I quit, you bitch
10:12.17Armandwow, your almost funny. :P
10:12.24z00dax_WildernesQuitter!
10:12.31gw280Armand: wow, you can almost write correct sentences.
10:12.42Armandwow, I almost give a crap!
10:12.50gw280you bloody should
10:12.57Armandhahahaha
10:12.59wethrinRehab is for quitters.
10:13.12z00dax_WildernesAlmost is fine, unless its a hand grenade.... In which case you really do want to get it over the wall.
10:13.19Armand"Me fail english? Thats unpossible!"
10:14.38wethrinmmm....jelyl
10:16.49bilarhgw280: that was a brilliant piss take there :-D   jelyl hehe :P
10:17.15bilarhi'm high on paracetamol today, so i may make even less sense than usual
10:17.22ArmandYAY!
10:17.24Armand:)
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10:18.07ArmandGonna have fun at the weekend, I have to help my brother & stepdad finish building a shed.
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10:18.50Armandat least once it's done I can get on with some case modding. :)
10:19.11z00dax_WildernesCase modding ?
10:19.21z00dax_WildernesYou need to get more computers dude
10:19.28z00dax_WildernesBe a true geek
10:19.41wethrinunless the case mod involves a good bit of metalworking
10:19.46z00dax_WildernesThen, you will not want to see the cases anymore or hear them
10:19.47ArmandI have too damned many already.
10:19.48mikejwhey peeps
10:20.04Armandand, yes.. dremel's are my friend. :D
10:20.11z00dax_Wildernes(metal working) might be fun. Take pics
10:20.16z00dax_WildernesMikejw!
10:20.22ArmandAlways do. :)
10:20.58ArmandHi Mike.
10:21.02mikejwz00dax: hey :D
10:21.09bilarhdremels are the shit... i used one to gut an old ipx workstation once and slapped an itx motherboard in there :)
10:21.13mikejwArmand: hiya
10:21.21Armandnoice
10:21.28bilarhit was really cool actually :)
10:21.31Armandhehe
10:21.39ArmandI do wicked fan ports. :)
10:21.54bilarhin plexi?
10:22.09Armandnah, metal
10:22.22bilarhah right... i'm too impatient to work in metal with dremels
10:22.28ArmandO_o
10:22.33bilarhor maybe my bits are too crap
10:22.48ArmandTakes some skill to do a circular hole with a dremel..
10:23.16bilarhi want to get a proper router, but they look really dangerous so i'm a bit scared of them :)
10:23.55Armanddepends on the job really.. although I've never worked with plexi, so dunno. :P
10:24.09Armandhttp://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread.php?t=8568
10:24.10bilarhplexi and plastic in general is nice to work with
10:24.17Armand^ Thats a work in progress ^
10:24.19bilarhthe dremel cuts through them like butter :)
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10:24.23ArmandI bet. :)
10:24.39BatChainPullerHi again
10:25.01z00dax_WildernesOrange seems to have a problem with :80 over gprs
10:25.15ArmandYou have to watch your speed though, right? coz if you run it too fast it just melts the plexi onto the cutting discs.
10:25.16bilarhz00dax: useful :-D
10:25.55bilarhwell, it usually builds up around the cut.. if you use the proper cutting disks it doesn't seem to stick to the disk
10:26.00bilarhs/disk/disc/
10:26.21Armandibot: Missed one, you pleb. :P
10:26.25bilarhhowever if you use the stone bits it does stick in there and then you have to grind metal or something to get it off
10:26.34Armandyeah
10:28.16Armandhttp://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread.php?t=9607
10:28.26Armand^ that ones quite good too ^ :D
10:30.42Armandeasy job, but quick & clean.
10:30.46bilarhi've never actually thought of filling gaps in with filler for cases and stuff
10:30.52bilarhmaybe i should take up case modding :D
10:30.57bilarhhow do you spray the cases?
10:31.03Armandvarious..
10:31.10Armandcar spray mostly.
10:31.22bilarhareosol cans in the shed, you mean?
10:31.26bilarhor handing it to a body shop?
10:31.34Armandtake your pic..
10:31.47Armanddepends on how confident you are, I suppose. :)
10:31.56bilarhhow much do bodyshops charge for a spray of a case?
10:32.33Armanddunno.
10:33.28Armandit's normally priced per case, depending on panel size & suchlike
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10:35.58ArmandIt's fair to assume it will cost more than painting it yourself.
10:36.19Armandbut at least it will be a nice finish (I would hope!)
10:38.33ArmandI'm thinking about having my laptop painted actually..
10:40.40z00dax_WildernesSomewhere local in london ?
10:41.07z00dax_WildernesI would love to get urban camo on my acer ferrari
10:41.29benoystmorning
10:44.12goibhniumaybe vinyl decals would be easier/cheaper
10:45.16goibhniue.g. http://www.laptopskins.net/camouflage_laptop_skins.php
10:46.07Armandhuummmm..
10:46.19Armandmost of them look really naff once they are on.
10:46.46BatChainPullerI don't think I'd want to do that to my laptop
10:47.01Armandas for local, there is a place just down the road from me that does custom paint-jobs.
10:48.18ArmandIt would be really nice if I could get a picture of my dog put on the top panel. :)
10:49.04z00dax_WildernesAnd where might 'down the road' be for the rest of us who dont live with you
10:49.09Armandlol
10:49.12Armandgood point. :)
10:49.15ArmandHayes.
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10:49.29z00dax_WildernesGoibhinu: good talk
10:50.08goibhniuthanks z00dax_Wildernes :) ... I'm quite glad I survived
10:50.53goibhniuI'd quite like to hear the recording (and then destroy all copies)
10:51.53Ch0HagThere was a recording made?
10:53.32goibhniuI don't know if it actually worked, there was some doubt about the batteries in the mic
10:53.46wethrinwe used the internal mic of the iRiver
10:54.12z00dax_WildernesOoh, let me know where they are, can url from gllug.org.uk
10:54.20wethrinBut your talk had too much reliance on visual, so the pure-audio recording won't make too much sense
10:54.29wethrinz00dax_Wildernes: Keep an eye out on any mails from Frank :)
10:54.39wethrinSo you're quite safe with not being recorded :)
10:56.01Ch0HagI'm bored.
10:56.19Ch0HagI need to find work but it's too boring to look, but otoh having no work is also boring.
10:56.21z00dax_WildernesWilldo
10:56.38z00dax_WildernesCh0hag what kinda work
10:57.09Ch0HagIdeally something not involving computers, but I don't know anything else.
10:57.41Armandsame here.. ¬_¬
10:57.50Ch0HagI suppose I'm pretty good at voip.
10:58.05Ch0HagI'm quite good at dying in nethack, too.
10:58.31Armandlol
10:58.33goibhniucutting christmas trees in Denmark is quite lucrative
10:58.53ArmandLotus Carlton.. How many oil coolers?!?!?!
10:59.17BatChainPullerI need a job too fairly desperately
10:59.49z00dax_WildernesCh0hag do a talk on voip at next gllug meeting
10:59.52Ch0HagSo I come in here approaching the subject of asking for advice to find work, and nobody else has any work.
11:00.46Armandch0Hag: Shame on us all. :P
11:00.53Ch0HagYes. You all suck.
11:01.06Armandpretty much..
11:01.32Ch0HagAlthough the question of how to find work is still unanswered.
11:01.36Armandespecially gw280, the splitter!
11:01.42gw280what?
11:01.47Armandhehe
11:01.50z00dax_WildernesGw actually has a job
11:01.57z00dax_WildernesGw bush that is
11:02.00Armandlol
11:02.15Ch0HagAnd if he can get one, ANYONE can.
11:02.23z00dax_Wildernesb
11:02.48Armandbush is a puppet..
11:03.05z00dax_WildernesI use puppet, its quite cool
11:03.27Armandyup, tis fun to make them dance on the desk. :)
11:04.10z00dax_WildernesUmm no, google it ; puppet and reductivelabs
11:05.19Armand"Puppet lets you centrally manage every important aspect of your system using a cross-platform specification language that manages all the separate elements normally aggregated in different files, like users, cron jobs, and hosts, along with obviously discrete elements like packages, services, and files.
11:05.23Armand" ..
11:05.54Armandfking hate it when paste automatically CRs. :P
11:06.05Armandstupid mIRC..
11:06.47bilarharmand: umm... don't know.. why? :)
11:06.53Ch0Hagmirc?
11:06.59Armandyup..
11:08.07ArmandKonversation doesn't.. unless you grab multiple CR'd lines.
11:08.19Armandbut if it's only 1 line, then ok.
11:08.23Armandoh well.
11:08.39z00dax_WildernesYes that puppet
11:09.17Armandso, thats system management across different OS's ?
11:11.25z00dax_WildernesCan be, yes
11:11.35Armandcool
11:11.57z00dax_WildernesI know people who do osx and linux and slowaris from the same puppetmaster instance
11:12.12ArmandGhost in the shell? :P
11:12.30Armandsorry, had to.. :)
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11:22.01ArmandWhats a decent price for a new CAT5 router?
11:22.24wethrinDYM switch?
11:23.06ArmandDYM?
11:23.09wethrinDo You Mean
11:23.16Armandno, router.
11:23.17wethrinAnywhere between a fiver and five grand
11:23.25Armandk, specifics. :)
11:23.47wethrinA router is a higher level device
11:23.54Armand1 WAN port, CAT5 to cable modem.. at least 4x CAT5 ports for LAN
11:24.41Armanddon't fancy building a power drinking PC with 5 NICS. :P
11:24.45wethrinBut that being beside the point...
11:24.48Armand:)
11:24.51wethrinLinksys WRT54G?
11:25.07wethrinYou can get them reasonably cheap off the 'bay
11:25.12dj_instinctWRT54G[L] ;)
11:25.21wethrinL doesn't matter :-P
11:25.29dj_instinctcan get them new for about £35
11:25.31wethrinJust whack dd-wrt onto it
11:25.47wethrinThat's assuming the Linksys firmware doesn't do what you want
11:25.47Armandk, NOT wireless. :)
11:26.10dj_instinctsweet
11:26.18wethrinWhat does your cable modem currently have?
11:26.31Armandsingle RJ45.
11:26.37wethrinOne ethernet port to your network, and one to your cable line?
11:26.44Armandand *cough* USB *cough*
11:26.44wethrinWhy not just get a switch?
11:26.47wethrinahh
11:27.03wethrinno idea about cable modems. I just used DSL stuff
11:27.09Armandbecause a cable modem only hands out 1 IP address.
11:27.38Armandhttp://www.extremepcs.co.uk/Itemdesc.asp?ic=861071&eq=&Tp=
11:27.44ArmandThats one that I found.
11:27.56Armandand the shop is like, 40 seconds walk away. :P
11:28.43Armandthe description on that item is totally wrong...
11:29.40wethrinDo you need more than one external IP address?
11:30.02Armandinternal..
11:30.44Armandserver is no-go, smoothwall/DHCP machine is no-go.. >_<
11:30.49Armanddamn it
11:31.15wethrinJust get one with ethernet facing to the internal network, and get a switch
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11:32.19Armandthats not really an issue, as I have a switch already.. I was actually asking about pricing.
11:32.39wethrinAh. NFI about cable modems, then. Sorry.
11:32.55wethrinbut I'd avoid getting the cheapest ones
11:33.07Armandyeah, noticed. :P
11:33.08dick_turpinSomeone mention pricing?
11:33.13Armandyup
11:34.00Armandwethrin: I'm not a great fan of those iNetgear products *the white ones. :P*
11:34.30wethrinno, the blue ones look better
11:34.42wethrinbut....I'd rather use Netgear than Dlink
11:34.56Armandand, I've never had any blue Netgear stuff blow up on me..
11:36.11dick_turpingoibhniu: Oi how'd the talk go?
11:37.16goibhniudick_turpin: it wasn't the same without you
11:37.52Armandoh well, fuck it.. it's not for me anyways, so why be fussy?? :P
11:38.07dick_turpingoibhniu: I was gonna go honest, I'd looked up fares, routes and everything
11:39.28dick_turpingoibhniu: I'd even practiced some juicy heckles to shout at you too
11:40.40goibhniudick_turpin: in fairness it would have been a bit extreme for you to to travel all the way down ... I don't know if I scared people from using cinelerra or encouraged them though
11:41.15dick_turpingoibhniu: Fancy a laugh at my expense?
11:41.21goibhniuplease!
11:42.01dick_turpinCould'nt update Arch at the weekend kept saying "Failure to sync current"
11:42.05polyunixgoibhniu>: i've got the ibook.
11:42.16goibhniudick_turpin: scary!
11:42.30goibhniupolyunix: excellent!
11:42.52polyunixgoibhniu>: they told me the screen is broken not cable or logic
11:43.18dick_turpingoibhniu: Yep, like all know it alls "I've used Linux for years, I know what I'm doing" I started tearing out bits and bobs
11:43.40wethrinpolyunix: Rarr
11:43.47goibhniupolyunix: ok ... that's good to know ... you could waste a lot of time fiddling with it
11:43.51polyunixgoibhniu>: but they said i wount be able to connect the external monitor. why? they dont know.
11:43.56wethrinMaybe you can buy an iBook for spares/repair off eBay
11:44.01polyunixwethrin>: hello
11:44.09wethrinTry plugging it in anyway
11:44.38goibhniudick_turpin: is it hosed?
11:44.45polyunixi'm going to start it in target mode, connecting to iMac
11:45.09polyunixso it will be sort of extern hdd
11:45.30dick_turpingoibhniu: Whats the Golden Rule for everyone? i.e. where should we all look fist?
11:45.40dick_turpinfirst
11:46.06polyunixnext i want to install debian on it somehow. any ideas?
11:46.33wethrinGrab the Debian net install CD
11:46.37goibhniudick_turpin: has it got the internets?
11:46.44wethrinboot from it. Follow prompts.
11:48.43goibhniudick_turpin: in general ... one should always first angrily ask the lead developers in irc or by mailing them personally  ... then read the manual
11:49.09dick_turpingoibhniu: I wont bother strining it out. ArchLinux has changed  from /current to /core so in pacman.conf just change to /core and hey presto "We are the champions"
11:49.28goibhniuah super ... so you're sorted?
11:49.47dick_turpingoibhniu: The Golden rule is "LOOK IN THE LOGS YOU ARSE WIPE"
11:50.37polyunixwethrin>: so to put net-cd into the iMac with ibook connected to the firewire? i have to try. not sure if iMac recognise ibook' target mode  after reboot.
11:50.51dick_turpingoibhniu: Yep, I reckon we are on yet another release upgrade
11:52.00goibhniudick_turpin: that sounds fantastic ... I hope to have an arch box next month
11:52.15wethrinpolyunix: Ahh....don't know about that
11:53.39goibhniupolyunix: can you use the imac as an external monitor?
11:53.56dick_turpingoibhniu: pacman is soooo cool you get these little messages telling you to do stuff, true they are annoying once you've done them and you see them again and again
11:54.56polyunixgoibhniu>: no
11:55.22polyunixforget about external monitor. it wount work
11:55.26dick_turpingoibhniu: but in the pacman.log was a message say "Layout has changed please edit your pacman.conf"
11:55.38dick_turpinsaying
11:56.37goibhniupolyunix: surely an external monitor should "just work" like normal?
11:56.48polyunixgoibhniu>: i will try all options. who knows apple pps might not telling the truth
11:58.27ArmandO_o
11:58.32dick_turpinz00dax: I don't think I'm on "Don't Panic" anymore
11:59.51dick_turpinOops yes I am
12:00.22z00daxgoibhniu: what was that app launcher you were using ?
12:00.26goibhniupolyunix: I can't imagine why it would stop working ... but if you have access to the hd from your imac .. maybe you can dd a distro onto it
12:00.32goibhniuz00dax: gnome-launch-box
12:00.48z00daxhumm what ver of gnome did that start off in ?
12:00.58goibhniuI've patched it a bit to stop it looking at firefox bookmarks and evolution
12:01.16goibhniuit was only ever a proof of concept unfortunately
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12:01.28goibhniuI think it's great though
12:01.34z00daxyeah it looked awesome
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12:01.39goibhniuyou want my version?
12:01.44z00daxso where is the code ? yes
12:01.54z00daxas long as it runs with gnome 2.16
12:02.01goibhniuyep, should be fine
12:02.09goibhniuto my surprise it runs on kde fine too :)
12:02.40z00daxwell, i suppose it uses the gnmelibx packages
12:02.44z00daxso where is that code then ?
12:03.06goibhniu1 sec :)
12:03.23goibhniuyou need compositing enabled for transparency
12:03.31goibhniuotherwise it's pretty ugly
12:03.52Leedsmmm... sushi :-)
12:04.32z00daxi have beryl running fine, so i guess that would be ok
12:05.24goibhniuz00dax: ftp://www.muqmuq.co.uk
12:07.25goibhniuI've bound to ctrl+F1 through the compiz/beryl manager
12:08.02z00daxis that the file ? that one marked  goibhniu-goat-pron ?
12:08.27Ch0HagThis computer hates me.
12:08.38goibhniuyou can try that one too if you like ... it only runs as root
12:08.38Ch0Hagfvwm has decided not to bother loading icons now.
12:08.41Armandno, it's goibhniu-cheese-pron..
12:09.01Ch0HagI no longer run "Galeon", I run "Galeon%galeon.png"
12:09.59Armandhehe
12:10.07dick_turpingoibhniu: Smells of goats
12:10.51ArmandI always forget how to spell it.. the greek (?) goats cheese that squeaks when you bite it..
12:11.00Armandkinda rubbery. :P
12:11.05goibhniuhaloumi
12:11.09goibhniuor something like that
12:11.13Armandthats the stuff. :)
12:11.27Armandit's ok, but feta is beta :P
12:11.35goibhniusqueaky food ftw
12:11.39Armandlol
12:11.45Armanddamned mice..
12:14.16goibhniuz00dax: http://developer.imendio.com/projects/gnome-launch-box is where it's from
12:16.29goibhniuI haven't tried their svn version in years ... maybe they've fixed it ... they use that silly JIRA stuff so it's hard to see
12:16.58goibhniuor maybe they just haven't mentioned it
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12:24.57z00daxweird
12:25.03z00daxthere seems to be a verion 0.4 release
12:25.10z00daxbut ontheir site its only 0.2
12:25.15z00daxi wonder if its moved into the gnome repos
12:28.47dick_turpinE're whatever happened to that bloke failure?
12:28.55goibhniu~seen failure
12:28.57ibotfailure <n=failure@pc-61-22-83-200.cm.vtr.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 19d 13h 27m 50s ago, saying: 'hi, my kde apps don't show tooltips in their buttons, i have activated the tooltips in control center -> behavior, any ideas?'.
12:29.25dick_turpingoibhniu: Ah thats the one
12:29.48z00daxlooks like kde got to him
12:29.55goibhniuI think he got a job though
12:30.56dick_turpingoibhniu: See his nic works, I still remeber him unlike that goi? gob? gobn? goibiu? some veggie bloke
12:31.02dick_turpinremember
12:31.47goibhniuhehe
12:32.15dick_turpinz00dax: Was goibhniuany good at the gllug meet? or was he pants really?
12:33.24z00daxgood
12:34.12dick_turpinz00dax: Dam, I've got a cart load of rotten veg I was gonna chuck at him
12:37.00bilarhdick_turpin!
12:37.27dick_turpinbilarh: You old tart what you doin (About 30 years)
12:37.35Armandz00dax: PM?
12:38.15goibhniuwho's going to the lonix talk on wednesday?
12:38.38bilarhdick_turpin: trying to pick up some dates, but everyone in here is a nerd :(
12:39.09dick_turpinbilarh: Rolf
12:39.39Armanddick_turpin: Harris?
12:39.42bilarhdick_turpin: ain't seen him arround
12:40.20dick_turpinrotfl (b'stards)
12:40.55boudiccas~seen dick_turpin
12:40.56ibotdick_turpin is currently on #gllug (1h 9m 1s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 36s, last said: 'rotfl (b'stards)'.
12:41.57z00daxi wont be here on Wed, should be on a plane flying east
12:42.15dick_turpinboudiccas: you dressed yet?
12:42.15boudiccasnot again z00dax !!!!
12:42.19boudiccasyes
12:42.25boudiccasdick_turpin; yes
12:42.26bilarhdick!
12:42.26z00daxboudiccas: am i not allowed :)
12:42.31dick_turpinboudiccas: Thank god for that
12:42.37bilarhdick_turpin: get back in your box
12:43.15dick_turpinbilarh: Thanks for that, I usually have to pay for that sort of service
12:43.17boudiccasit seems like you work damned hard fro 3-6 months and then dissappear off to the east for about a month and then come back and repeat the cycle
12:43.29boudiccas*for
12:44.16dick_turpinfor he's a jolly good fellow for he's a jolly good fellow for he's.......
12:44.31boudiccasand so say all of us
12:44.44dick_turpinboudiccas: :-*
12:44.53boudiccasdick_turpin; is isnging in his cups again
12:45.15dick_turpinboudiccas: singing?
12:45.34boudiccaswell apparentlky thats what its called
12:45.56dick_turpinboudiccas: It this bra! it cuts right under.....
12:46.38boudiccasyou didn't measure yourself properly then, measure /under/ the breasts
12:47.00boudiccasand them easure /over/ the bra to get the cup size
12:47.14boudiccass/bra/breasts
12:47.34boudiccas*meausure
12:48.29LeedsI tend to measure by feel
12:48.33boudiccas~seen wethrin
12:48.34ibotwethrin is currently on #gllug (2h 43m 4s). Has said a total of 38 messages. Is idling for 56m 19s, last said: 'polyunix: Ahh....don't know about that'.
12:49.11dick_turpinboudiccas: :-) I'm wearing it to hold my spheres in seeing as I'm a very lucky man :-P
12:49.25boudiccasspehres?
12:49.32boudiccas*spheres?
12:49.44dick_turpinboudiccas: Balls#
12:50.25boudiccasyou mena they've dropped too far? oh you poor man you! this ignonomy of it all!
12:52.36boudiccasi once looked after a bloke who had elephantine balls, almost football size, and i'm /not/ joking. he had cancer in the elephantine ball and it was doubling in size every 90 days. and he was so embarrased about it that he didn't see his doctor until it was too late and nothing could be done, he died of it
12:53.23bilarhi'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere :P
12:53.49boudiccasnice bloke he was but he was so embarassed by it all
12:54.12bilarhif i had huge balls, i'd be out there showing live and sundry
12:55.10bilarherm, all and sundry, even
12:55.47boudiccasbilarh; he only had /one/ elephantine, the other was normal
12:55.56bilarhboudiccas: oh :(
12:56.26dick_turpinboudiccas: Na, I've stuck each leg down each strap hole I'm wearing it like a truss
12:57.09dick_turpinboudiccas: Only trouble is the clasp is chaffing me bum hole :-D
12:58.02boudiccasdick_turpin; i can't imagine ......... thankfully
12:58.54dick_turpinboudiccas: I've swam the depths of depravity. ;-)
12:59.21boudiccasdick_turpin; what does your wife say?
12:59.30Armandlater guys & gals!
12:59.37dick_turpinboudiccas: Which one?
12:59.50boudiccasthe senior one
13:00.08dick_turpinboudiccas: You mean the latests one
13:00.18boudiccasthe /only/ one
13:00.47dick_turpinboudiccas: She has to work nights three days a week to get some rest
13:00.51boudiccashah, he's stumped for a reply
13:01.18boudiccassensible woman :)
13:01.23dick_turpinboudiccas: You was saying?
13:02.12boudiccasdick_turpin; it would be interesting to meet your family to see how they pan out in reality and compare them with waht you say
13:03.24dick_turpinboudiccas: Can you respond to PM's yet?
13:03.31boudiccasi believe i can
13:03.53dick_turpinboudiccas: OK will pm you in a few mins
13:03.59boudiccask
13:04.22Leedsokay, seriously... how on earth are Family Guy doing a 40-minute spoof animated version of Star Wars???
13:04.41dick_turpinMy boss is a complete B'stard he has just come back from America with an iTouch has it here now and it gorgeous
13:04.43bilarhwhy is it my users think that it's a good idea to reboot their pc after they have called me up and said something is not working and i've said "ok, i'll log into your machine and have a look... i'll let you know how i get on"
13:05.06Leedscomplete with, at the half-way mark, references to realplayer, dr who, asteroids and dirty dancing
13:05.47Leedssychronised dancing animated stormtroopers!
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13:21.49Ch0HagYou're not expecting your users to think are you?
13:22.58wethrinboudiccas: hello?
13:23.22boudiccashello  wethrin
13:23.25wethrin'ello
13:23.34wethrinyou ~saw me....
13:23.54wethrinboudiccas: could you send me a /msg ?
13:24.10boudiccaswethrin; yes, what sort of message?
13:24.34wethrinJust anything
13:24.40wethrineven 'hello'
13:27.54gw280hrm
13:27.55gw28014:24:31 Irssi uptime: 104d 5h 15m 48s
13:28.13polyunixgoibhniu>: cant boot imac from debian net-install
13:28.27dick_turpinbilarh: Oi
13:33.36goibhniupolyunix: I don't really know .. but I'd say the net-install cd would be run from the ibook ... but then what would you do without a screen .. hmm
13:34.26goibhniudoes debian come on a live-cd these days?
13:34.35polyuniximac can see it when net-cd is in the ibook
13:34.39boudiccasgw280; pretty impressive uptime, whats the distro that you're running?
13:34.56gw280sarge
13:34.56goibhniumaybe you could boot it up and get into it via ssh and install it from there?
13:35.00gw280that's the irssi uptime
13:35.03gw280<PROTECTED>
13:35.07z00daxboudiccas: it mostly means his machine is not patched for new vuln's and is exploiteable
13:35.16polyunixgoibhniu>: i have imac - intell, ibook-ppc
13:35.57goibhniupolyunix: yeah ppc live-cds are pretty rare
13:36.09polyunixgoibhniu>: i dont think it's possible
13:36.24polyunixi will google for live cd
13:36.37goibhniuI just had a look at slackintosh
13:36.45goibhniudoesn't seem to be a live-cd but it's hard to tell
13:37.04boudiccaspolyunix; i thought 'imac' was a hair remover much favoured by women for removing hte hair on their legs?
13:37.06polyunixgentoo :) !!!
13:37.26goibhniupolyunix: yep, that's the only one I know of
13:37.28boudiccasz00dax; thats another way of looking at it true
13:37.38goibhniubut you want debian on there ... or do you care?
13:37.38boudiccas*the
13:37.54polyunixboudiccas>: you right!!! my wife's thing!
13:38.06z00daxgoibhniu: polyunix fedora
13:38.15z00daxits where the powerpc action is mostly.
13:38.43goibhniunice!
13:39.36polyunixz00dax>: thx!
13:46.45goibhniupolyunix: it's messy ... but you could possibly pop in the cd/dvd and run it in a virtual machine on your imac at the same time and try to copy your keypresses on the ibook to get it installed
13:46.58goibhniuone wrong key and you'll probably need to start over
13:47.20polyunixgoibhniu>: i thought this way.
13:48.13polyunixgoibhniu>: i would prefer debian based distro on ibook
13:48.25goibhniuit would be good to know if sshd is installed and runs by default out of the box
13:48.36goibhniualthough I guess you could do that blind too
13:50.15polyunixon debian i remember had to apt-get install ssh after install
13:50.28polyunixnodefault
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13:56.40goibhniuhttp://www.slackintosh.org/pub/rsync/mb/linux-live/ has a minimal 78M live-cd ... maybe it has sshd on it?
13:56.50goibhniuthe folks on #slackintosh don't know off-hand
13:58.22mikejwooh live-cd
13:59.31goibhniuwell, fedora and ubuntu also seem to have live cds
13:59.40mikejwfor powerpc?
13:59.44goibhniubut I'm sure the ubuntu one won't have sshd
13:59.52goibhniuafaik
14:00.10polyunixgoibhniu>: but how can you login through ssh without user on target system?
14:00.20mikejwI thought unbuntu stopped support for it
14:00.31polyunixi'm trying now. no way
14:01.21goibhniupolyunix: the live cd should have a default user
14:02.24goibhniuafaik it's not "officially supported" whatever that means
14:02.50mikejwhmm-k
14:17.46goibhniupolyunix: the good folks on #slackintosh are insisting you try the external screen :)
14:18.56polyunixexternal monitor?
14:19.58goibhniuyep
14:20.15polyunixgoibhniu>: you mean no other way?
14:20.39goibhniunah .. there are oodles of ways ... just that is the most obvious
14:21.20goibhniuI bet if you log on to freecycle you can find a CRT screen looking for a new home very close by
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14:21.27polyunixgoibhniu>: i will try it latter tonight. just no monitors available right now
14:21.49goibhniuI know ... it's fun to try out some other options anyway
14:21.50z00daxpolyunix: what exactly is the problem ?
14:23.06polyunixz00dax>: i've lost screen in my iBook g4. and want to install linux on it, without working scree.
14:23.18polyunixscreen
14:24.43z00daxdoes that have a serial port ? ( unlikely )
14:24.55polyunixz00dax>: apple people said external screen wouldn't work either. no serial port
14:25.30z00daxdefine: 'lost screen' ?
14:25.35polyunixi can boot it into target mode and connect to intell imac
14:26.13polyunixon boot the screen white. cant see anything on it.
14:26.40z00daxso its possible the display interface is dead rather than the display panel ?
14:26.51gw280hrmmmm
14:26.59gw280webkit's a royal pain in the arse
14:27.11gw280or rather
14:27.13gw280embedded SDKs are
14:27.49z00daxis there anyway you can get the ibook to boot off the network ?
14:27.50BatChainPullerHave you tried resetting the PRAM?
14:27.56polyunixz00dax>: it was black with lots of fine stripes before i sent it to the repair. after it  came back, it become white now.
14:27.57z00daxif so, you can kickstart an install
14:28.42polyunixz00dax>:  i reset ddram
14:28.53BatChainPullerIt's a New World machine with Open Firmware
14:29.05BatChainPullerSo you could take it into OF
14:29.13polyunixBatChainPuller>: yes
14:29.29z00daxso you should be able to netboot it
14:29.30BatChainPullerand use that with careful typing
14:29.52polyunixhow it works?
14:30.19z00daxi would get fedora7 - do an install with the same setup you want on the ibook, grab the anaconda-ks.cfg file from the install, edit the drive partitioning scheme ( which is commented out by default ) - and then use that
14:30.26BatChainPullerI've never done a net install on a mac
14:30.32z00daxor, just start a fedora7 install, and do the install using vnc from a remote machine
14:30.40BatChainPullerSuns have OF too , I've done that using OF
14:30.57goibhniuif the vnc route is possible ... that rocks!
14:31.12z00daxyou would need to setup dhcp and pxe/tftp on the network - which is prolly going to take longer
14:31.17BatChainPullerDoes it have a serial port?
14:31.25polyunixno serial
14:31.39polyunixhow vnc works?
14:32.18polyunixz00dax>: i have roter with dhcp enabled
14:32.44z00daxpxe/tftp ?
14:32.55polyunixis port?
14:33.27polyunixshall i enable this port on firewall?
14:33.34z00daxits not a prt
14:33.35z00daxport
14:33.44z00daxits a service you will need to setup and run to get network booting working
14:34.02z00daxi am just wondering if its easier to rebuild a boot.iso with a kickstart config file
14:34.27z00daxis there anything installed on the ibook at the moment ?
14:34.35polyunixos x
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14:35.59goibhniupersonally, I don't see how booting from the network really helps?
14:36.16goibhniuwhy not boot the ibook from the cd?
14:36.25mikejwgoibhniu: can you remove the hard disk?
14:36.43z00daxgoibhniu: so you can do stuff like this http://www.karan.org/blog/index.php/2005/06/15/
14:36.44goibhniuthe tricky bit is to get access to it remotely, vnc or ssh would do fine if they run off the cd
14:36.52polyunixgoibhniu>: i did, and what?
14:37.14z00daxofcourse, you can just take the hdd to a diff machine and install there
14:37.59haliyou can boot it off a modified boot.iso with the vnc parameter thrown in to syslinux
14:38.05goibhniuz00dax: fancy pants! ... I like it!
14:38.06polyunixz00dax>: i can connect it to iMac
14:38.46z00daxpolyunix: then why not install it there ?
14:39.17z00daxyou can move the hdd over, install the os, move the hdd back
14:39.20polyunixz00dax>: i lack knowledge
14:39.25z00daxi dont think you can do that over target-mode
14:39.35halijust learn it, you have nothing to loose :)
14:39.43z00daxbut i might be wrong, i have not nearly used osx that much - all my ppc machines run linux!
14:39.48goibhniuit's also a different achitecture
14:39.54polyunixz00dax>: target mode is the only mode i can connect it
14:39.57goibhniuthe imac is intel the ibook is pcc
14:40.07goibhnius/pcc/ppc
14:40.11z00daxgoibhniu: ah, not going to work then
14:40.18polyunixgoibhniu>: is right!
14:40.20z00daxunless you can qemu it
14:40.51polyunixi tried that
14:42.07polyunixi thought i can boot imac with ibook on it. but wich install cd to put into imac? intell,ppc?
14:42.53z00daxits going to be a lot more complex than that
14:43.09polyunixthe only way is net or vnc or some hack i'm not up to yet!
14:43.37z00daxwell, which part of town are you based in ?
14:43.45polyunixsutton
14:43.57goibhniuor the blind install ... mimicing the install on your other machine
14:44.13polyunix25min from center london
14:44.30z00daxgoibhniu: kickstart is fantastic for that
14:44.44z00daxbut the issue is going to be getting the machine into a state where you can pass in a kickstart config in
14:45.02z00daxpolyunix: if you have not sorted this out by 17th Oct, let me know :)
14:45.13z00daxi will make a fedora8 based auto-install DVD and post it over
14:45.45z00daxi would do it sooner, but i am off tuesday night, back into the country around the 2nd Oct... but then have work stuff to get done
14:45.56z00daxgoibhniu: also look at cobbler
14:46.06BatChainPullerI've used kickstart and jumpstart
14:46.11polyunixz00dax>: thanks!
14:47.23polyunixit reminds me a bank vault
14:47.42Leedsfinally... got a lady friend who seems to be flattered rather than horrified that I fancy her... pity about her boyfriend, really
14:48.08Ch0HagCount yourself lucky.
14:48.27Ch0HagInternational rules of geek dating dictate that if she had no boyfriend, she would be gay.
14:48.38z00daxLeeds: send the heavies around to pay him a visit
14:48.45polyunixgoibhniu>: do you mind if i bring ibook on wednesday meeting?
14:48.49z00daxmaybe rhowe can do some damage next time he is flying through
14:49.04Leedsz00dax: uh... you have *met* rhowe, yes?
14:49.32goibhniupolyunix: sure ... it would be fun
14:49.39Ch0HagAny apparently interesting potential SO must be one or more of: horrified, taken, gay.
14:49.44z00daxLeeds: :) I am also hoping his innocent looks provide a good get-away cover
14:49.58goibhniupolyunix: I don't know where it is ... but maybe we could nab a monitor there for a few minutes too
14:50.18Ch0Hags/gay/incompatibly sexually orientated/
14:50.51Leedsz00dax: unfortunately, I think not
14:51.01z00daxhumm
14:51.24LeedsCh0Hag: the thing I'm trying to work out at the moment is if she had no boyfriend when I met her - in which case, it could just have been a matter of timing
14:51.32polyunixyeah, no doubt. but we need torx, if you mind to bring them pls?
14:52.26z00daxmikejw: what ?
14:52.43Leedsanyway, back to Making Money - a novel, published about a week ago, which opens with the question of government intervention in a banking crisis...
14:52.59mikejwhuh?
14:53.40mikejwLeeds: very relevant
14:53.48Ch0HagI need a way to start a "You still haven't got back to me or paid me any of the vast sums you owe me" email.
14:54.44goibhniupolyunix: sure
14:54.49LeedsCh0Hag: I recommend "This letter is being written on behalf of my client, Mr. Ch0Hag" and finishing with the letters LLB
14:54.53z00daxmikejw: well, if you did work for it - then you should get paid for it
14:55.05Ch0HagYeah I think that may be the way it has to be.
14:56.18Leedsyeah, I grew up surrounded by solicitors
14:57.31Ch0HagWell it's either solicitor or some big black guy with arms the size of trees.
14:57.44Ch0Hag(With apologies to any non-hench black people present)
14:58.12mikejwz00dax: no it's just yet another potential delay in being paid :/
14:59.22mikejwI'm mainly worried about my sanity at this point :(
14:59.31Leedssanity is over-rated
14:59.34mikejwlol
15:00.50mikejwit's my own fault.  I don't throw my weight around enough as a contactor I think.
15:03.19boudiccascontactor or /contractor/?
15:03.22Ch0HagHow can I say "I don't see any point in making demands or threats" without it sounding like a demanding threat?
15:03.53mikejw*contractor :)
15:06.47goibhniuthe linux action show sound exciting this week "A chain of 900 drug pushers in Sweden have chosen their new drug of choice - AND ITS LINUX"
15:22.31bilarhleave the swedes out of it!
15:23.02bilarhthey have enough problems with polar bears roaming the streets and people having sex in the parks
15:23.25polyunixgoibhniu>: wait now for new sweed distro to come up "marihuanix"! i hope it will de live-cd!
15:32.07goibhniuunfortunately it's just all the pharmacies switching to linux :)
15:33.31z00daxgoibhniu: so where in beryl do i set keyboard shortcuts
15:33.38z00daxemerald or halidor actually
15:34.00goibhniuberyl-settings-manager I think?
15:34.11goibhniurather than the emerald/halidor thing
15:34.23z00daxaha
15:34.26z00daxthe plot thickens
15:34.41goibhniuunder general/actions or somewhere obscure like that
15:34.49z00daxi need to somehow make beryl startup automagically when i login to gnome, and gdm seems to not like me for that
15:35.30goibhniuin the gnome/session thingy?
15:36.49z00daxja
15:37.07goibhniuit doesn't like it?
15:37.18z00daxno, it just throws me right back at gdm
15:37.29z00daxif i login to metacity, its fine, i can then switch to beryl
15:38.02goibhniuI never had that problem myself ... luckily :)
15:38.09polyunixz00dax>: http://www.howtoforge.com/fedora7_beryl_compizfusion_p2
15:38.24goibhniualthough I was having some gnome weirdness which is why I'm using KDE now
15:38.40polyunixz00dax>: look 3.3 paragraph
15:38.44z00daxpolyunix: dont believe that
15:38.52z00daxeverything you need is in the distro and just works on fedora
15:38.57z00daxalthough, i dont use fedora
15:39.20polyunixi did this trick on mint
15:39.26Ch0HagWhat's a good general ending to an email without sounding too much like somebody who wears a suit?
15:39.50mikejw"Smel you later..."
15:39.53mikejw*smell
15:40.13Ch0HagThat's perhaps a little *too* informal.
15:40.28z00daxCh0Hag: bye
15:40.33Ch0HagEspecially for a "you still haven't paid me and the next step is the lawyers" letter.
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15:41.21polyunixz00dax>: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeon_p3 on ubuntu
15:42.27z00daxpolyunix: why are you giving me these url's ?
15:43.11polyunixz00dax>: howto - to start beryl automatically
15:43.47z00daxpolyunix: yeah i have that bit sorted. there is something else getting in the way
15:44.00z00daxanywho, will poke later for now, kludgy works
15:44.03z00daxi need to get ion working
15:47.35goibhniuwhat would be the closest distro to centos4?
15:47.46z00daxclosest in what way ?
15:47.46goibhniufedora6?
15:48.14goibhniusomeone is trying to install cinelerra on it... but they can't figure out the deps
15:48.24goibhniuthere are guides for fedora
15:48.48z00daxfc3 was closest to centos4
15:48.53z00daxbut i can do something about that
15:48.54goibhniucool, thanks
15:49.30z00daxwhat all does it require ?
15:49.39goibhniulots and lots of stuff
15:49.42z00daxlets find out
15:49.46goibhniusuper cool!
15:50.02z00daxdoes it need anything that might be *cough* patent grey *cough*
15:50.33goibhniuhttp://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com/2007/03/fedora-core-6-cinelerra-dependencies.html
15:50.39goibhniuthat should give a fair idea
15:50.49goibhniuI don't think it does
15:52.39z00daxhumm most of that stuff is in rpmforge already, that might be the way to go here
15:52.49z00daxwiki.centos.org/Repositories for more info on rpmforge
15:52.56goibhniuz00dax: you're getting massive respect in #cinelerra :D
15:53.09z00dax( am working on something to bring all the repos together into 1 place, but that might be a few months )
15:53.13z00daxgoibhniu: scary
15:53.17goibhniucool :D
15:53.28z00daxthis is going to take maybe 30 min or so
15:54.17goibhniufantastic!
16:03.33z00daxactually no, its going to take a bit longer since it needs things that need things that needs things
16:03.38z00daxam slowly working through the dep chain
16:05.07goibhniuif you don't have time now, and you can bounce him to some docs on how to do it him/herself ... that would also be cool
16:05.20goibhnius/him/him\/her/
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16:08.00z00daxI have something running that should work its way through till something breaks
16:08.15z00daxbasically, http://svn.rpmforge.net/svn/trunk/rpms/cinelerra/cinelerra.spec
16:08.31BatChainPullerThat Howto is useful
16:08.32z00daxit needs to build with rpmbuild --define %dist el4"
16:08.49BatChainPullerI've now got beryl as a login choice on F7
16:08.59z00daxgoibhniu: and just work your way down the dep's
16:09.12z00daxalthough, i am just wondering - moving to centos5 would make things a lot easier
16:10.26goibhniuz00dax: excellent ... that's really brilliant
16:15.00z00daxits possible to run the installer in upgradeany mode, and actually get a functional system at the other end
16:15.17z00daxthere are a few different ways of doing that on the wiki.centos.org site
16:16.23goibhniuok ... that sounds a little scary
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18:40.26BatChainPullerGah I wish people would build proper rpms
18:41.21BatChainPullerThe postinstall script just loops continously with expr errors
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19:00.29z00daxBatChainPuller: what rpm is that ?
19:01.40BatChainPullerIntersystems cache-server
19:01.48BatChainPullerIt's a RHEL 4 one
19:02.37z00daxi dont know what that is
19:02.45z00daxbut most vendors own packages tend to be quite shite
19:02.53BatChainPullerIt's a RDBMS
19:02.56z00daxeg. vmware / verisign / veritas etc
19:03.09BatChainPullerwhich is aiming to win custom from Oracle
19:03.24BatChainPullerand also from the Pick/reality/universe crowd
19:03.26wethrinBut it won't if people can't install it :)
19:03.34BatChainPullerQuite
19:03.52BatChainPullerI've already pointed out it's crapness on their forum
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19:05.37BatChainPullerI've had to use the .tar.gz they provide instead
19:06.03z00daxBatChainPuller: seen / heard of vertica ?
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19:09.45BatChainPullerI haven't
19:09.49BatChainPullerI'll go google
19:11.50BatChainPullerthat looks windowsy
19:12.00BatChainPullerDo they have a linux version?
19:13.18BatChainPullerAargh you have to *register* to view the FAQ!
19:13.23BatChainPullerThat's insane
19:14.25BatChainPullerFor multivalue DBMSes I prefer GPL openqm
19:31.12halioracle is gpl
19:31.19haliparts of it at least :)
19:31.31halibrtfs is probably the most interesting component right now
19:31.39BatChainPullerOnly parts though
19:31.40Copehali: the bits of OAS that are basically apache, you mean?
19:32.02BatChainPullerthe whole thing is bloody expensive for commercial use
19:32.10haliCope: that bit is under the apache license
19:32.53BatChainPullerbut oracle is free from non-commercial use
19:33.07halior is not free for non-commercial production use
19:33.16halii.e. a non-prift organisation has to pay
19:33.48haliit's free for non-production use, and you're not allowed give a 3rd party access
19:33.49Copehali: know much about converting mysql stored procs to postgres?
19:33.59BatChainPullerTrue
19:34.08haliCope: zero, isn't stored proces in mysql pretty new?
19:34.12BatChainPullerI just run oraclexe for my own use
19:34.16Copehali: yeah, very
19:34.16boudiccashali; any news on the job front please?
19:34.24haliboudiccas: nope
19:34.29Copeboudiccas: you want a job?
19:34.40BatChainPullerI want a job
19:34.42boudiccasyes, i'm looking for a junior sysadmin post
19:34.56CopeBatChainPuller: what do you do?
19:35.02boudiccasgot any vacancies Cope ??
19:35.04CopeBatChainPuller: ok; will keep ear out.
19:35.05BatChainPullerLinux sysadmin#
19:35.16BatChainPullersolaris
19:35.19CopeBatChainPuller: not for sysadmins, no
19:35.23Copeerm boudiccas I mean
19:35.25BatChainPullerunix generally
19:35.37gw280LALALALA
19:35.45boudiccasCope; also secretarial
19:35.45Copeoooh hello gw280
19:35.49gw280?
19:36.00BatChainPullerI think my first production linux box was 1996
19:36.26BatChainPullerthe first perl script I wrote, to build DNS zones on it, is still being used
19:36.41haliBatChainPuller: i know a decent senior sysadmin role... i'm about to turn it down, i've been to an interview for it and got an offer.. they are looking for a unix admin team lead with 5+ years... preferrably some solaris, oracle, tomcat, a bit pix and ios would be good... some perl, plsql, lots of sh
19:36.59BatChainPulleri've most of that
19:37.31BatChainPullerNot pix or ios, and not plsql
19:37.36boudiccashali; perhaps chills would be interested when he shows up
19:38.15gw280LALALALALALA
19:38.19halifinancial company... quite demanding, i actually failed one or two tech questions in the first phone interview
19:38.30BatChainPullerCity?
19:38.37halifinsbury square
19:38.49Copehali: I had a gruelling interview for an investment bank a year ago or so... learned a hell of a lot from the interview.
19:38.51BatChainPullerI often fail a few, depends a bit on what they mean a lot of the time
19:39.12halii spend 2-3 days a month in investment banks, it sucks
19:39.16BatChainPulleri know finsbury square
19:39.23halideutchbank is ok tho
19:39.48Copehali: you're not actually looking to move on are you?
19:40.00haliCope: not sure, probably not
19:40.13halinot unless something *great* comes up
19:40.19BatChainPullerI've no financial experience , mostly worked on net stuff recently
19:40.49Copehali: come and work with me and z00dax :o) we're great!
19:41.07haliCope: hm, not sure if the money is right :)
19:41.24BatChainPullerWhere on earth do do work?
19:41.28BatChainPullerdo you
19:41.46halime?
19:42.13BatChainPullerI took what Cope said to imply you work together
19:42.28CopeBatChainPuller: ah no, me and z00dax work together
19:42.41BatChainPullerAhhh right sorry
19:42.42Copeand keithlard :)
19:42.47BatChainPullerahhh
19:43.03haliCope and keithlard does the work, z00dax maintains centos and makes the coffee :)
19:43.23BatChainPullerHah
19:43.24Copehe does make *very* good tea.
19:43.34BatChainPullerdouble hah
19:45.14BatChainPullerI went for an interview in Staines last week which I didn't get
19:45.31BatChainPullerI'm now being asked about another job there
19:47.38CopeBatChainPuller: are you masquerading under a new name, or have I just not been around much?
19:47.43CopeI don't recognise your nick.
19:47.50BatChainPullerI was clive-h
19:47.54Copeahhh
19:48.14BatChainPullerThen I got told this was published to the web
19:48.17BatChainPullerand I changed
19:48.53Copeah
19:48.55Copeerror
19:49.24haliparanoia :)
19:49.31halinoone can make out that i'm hali anyway
19:49.44BatChainPullerNo i was ranting a lot that time
19:53.53CopeBatChainPuller: so are you out of work atm?
19:54.20BatChainPullerI am presently yes
19:54.24Copebother
19:54.52BatChainPullerhad a few interviews
19:55.09BatChainPullerand i suspect being 51 isn't helping much
19:57.14Copeip r a 10.1.1.0/24 dev br0
19:57.20Copehrm
19:57.21Copeor not
19:57.28Copesorry -EWRONGFOCUS
19:57.35BatChainPullerLol
19:58.59CopeBatChainPuller: wouldn't put us off, but unless my temporary secondment to the development team becomes permanent, we don't need a sysadmin
19:59.30BatChainPullerWell if it does let me know and I'd apply
19:59.46Copegw280: do you still use kate?
19:59.51BatChainPullerthank you
19:59.51Cope(are you there?)
20:00.12gw280Cope: no
20:00.14gw280Cope: I use vim
20:00.19Copegolly!
20:00.30BatChainPulleri use vim for short edits
20:00.40BatChainPullerif I'm coding I use emacs
20:00.45Cope:D :D :D
20:00.59gw280emacs is for noobhats.
20:01.14Copeemac ftw
20:01.14BatChainPullerNot exactly
20:01.26halii use ed for short edits, vim for the rest
20:01.35BatChainPullerI've been using emacs for 15 years
20:01.38halisometimes fire up eclipse for groovy though
20:01.47BatChainPullerwell more exactly I use ex
20:01.59BatChainPullerand switch to vi mode if I need it
20:02.14CopeBatChainPuller: you use emacs with vi keybindings?
20:02.24Copeoh... misunderstood
20:02.35BatChainPullerMy boss at last contract was impressed when I did .,.+10s/old/new/
20:02.56BatChainPullerNo I use emacs with emacs bindings
20:03.19Copeheh; i recall editing a coldfusion config file on my first day some years back using ed, causing some amusement.
20:03.39BatChainPullerwell ex is a superset of ed
20:03.42gw280VIM > *
20:03.48Copeanyway, point is, I used to use vi(m) exclusively
20:04.04Copebut I'm definitely a convert to emacs for a coding environment
20:04.21BatChainPullerFor coding I find it much easier
20:04.39Copeas you say, for quick hacks and admin I use vi
20:04.40gw280vimvimvimvimvimvimvimvimv
20:04.41gw280im
20:04.50gw280especially you have a 1000 line long vimrc
20:04.57Copefewl
20:05.12BatChainPullerThat's sounds ominous
20:05.30Cope$ wc -l .emacs
20:05.30Cope333 .emacs
20:05.33gw280well
20:05.35gw280YOU ALL SUCK!
20:05.47gw280george@helium ~ $ wc -l vimrc-cars
20:05.47gw280986 vimrc-cars
20:06.06Copeerm
20:06.08Copewtf?
20:06.23gw280OFF!
20:09.42Copeudev you terrible cunt
20:11.50haliudev is cool
20:12.00haliit's just the udev rules system that's a cunt
20:12.09Copeyeah ok
20:12.17Copeudev/rules.d you terrible cunt
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20:48.44Coperelo
20:57.51wethrinCope!
21:00.26wethrinrhowe++ # that CPU he gave me works nicely
21:01.07halihm, are there any hardware swapmeets or anything in london? i have lots of spare hw
21:01.17haliand could do with some new
21:01.46wethrinnot really. You could offer on Freecycle, or on Gllug
21:01.50wethringot anything interesting?
21:01.51z00daxhali: what you got :)
21:02.03z00daxi have a parallelport zip drive to offer
21:02.21wethrinI got one of those at home. Original one, with the power adapter that covered about the area of 4 sockets
21:02.28haliyay, i always wanted one of those... no.. hm.. that was when i was 12 :)
21:02.39haligot a ide raid card spare, with some ide drives
21:02.39z00daxits a fantastic way to backup stuff
21:02.48z00daxi have an ide raid card yes
21:02.52wethrinI carelessly got rid of my only two zip disks in my office drawer, before realising that my computer actually had a ZIP drive built in
21:03.10z00daxits an ide-atapi raid card, sil3xx based. happy to loose it
21:03.31halii've got a promise ide, no idea what chipset
21:03.42halifull lenght ... so pretty difficult to actually use
21:03.43z00daxwethrin: my G4 has one built in a well and I have found that things i backed up about 8 years back on various formats, only the zip ones really still work
21:03.56z00daxhali: i thought you wanted one, not to loose one
21:04.32halii may ditch my old amd 3200+ machine as well.. whole machine
21:04.33wethrinFuck! The 3ware 9500 SATA RAID controllers are expensive on eBay
21:04.45wethrinHuh. That's better than any machine I've currently got
21:05.08halii want one of those girly shuttle pc's
21:05.15z00daxwethrin: dont waste money on a 9500
21:05.25wethrinwhich one's the hardware SATA RAID?
21:05.27z00daxget a 9550sx or better, but nothing less than a 9540
21:05.29halijust buy a netapp!
21:05.33z00daxthey are all hardware raid
21:05.41wethrinhali: I'll offer you a fiver for one
21:05.56z00daxthe 9550's and after use a powerpc based controller, they are upto 500% faster than 9500's that had intel chips
21:06.10halii960? :)
21:06.13wethrinMmm.....PPC
21:06.27z00daxhali: i think something pre xscale stff
21:06.57z00daxwethrin: if you want a 9500, just get a 8600 instead, they are better supported and only about 5% off on performance
21:06.59haliyeah, the i960 is way old
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21:07.16z00daxbut if you want real raid and proper performance, 3ware 9550 or better, or areca 12xx or 11xx
21:07.21wethrinIsn't at least one of them also supported under Solaris?
21:08.08wethrinhum. Well, I need more disk space anyway
21:08.23z00daxthe 9500's are about 2.5 years old now - so should be
21:08.47z00daxbut if you are using linux, really - trust me on that one - its not worth buying a 9500, get a 9550 instead
21:08.55wethrinnod
21:09.06wethrin1.3T ain't enough
21:09.28z00daxhow many drives do you intend to drop in ?
21:10.02wethrinI'd like to eventually use my 2U case, which can fit 6 drives
21:10.17z00daxand yo uneed a mobo with pci-x
21:10.23wethrinplus I might just shoehorn a system drive in somewhere
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21:10.35wethrinNo - it'll fall back to PCI/66 or PCI/33 if necessary
21:11.14z00daxhumm i dont think the 3ware will work
21:12.19wethrinAnyway. I'd still need to get a replacement blower for the case
21:12.30wethrinBut dual-CPU seems a bit overkill
21:12.48z00daxunless you do mdraid
21:12.57z00daxor use zfs
21:13.02wethrinMmm....ZFS
21:13.07wethrinI could do that
21:13.11z00daxthen you can just avoid the entire need for a h/w raid
21:13.51wethrinThere's something nice about battery-backed disk caches, though
21:14.15z00daxyup, write back caching is cool
21:14.40wethrinNow, it looks like my fileserver has hung
21:14.55haliit's well hung?
21:15.22wethrinYeah. "ata2: command timeout"
21:16.45wethrinHave I ever said that I hate computers?
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21:41.26z00daxnic, MS buying out facebook
21:41.30z00daxwierd
21:41.53haliwot
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21:43.19haliprobably a part in their new targeted advertising scheme
21:43.29wethrinwhaa?
21:43.53wethrinWell, as long as I can still use it under Firefox, under Safari, and under OS X, etc., I won't be too bothered
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21:57.49goibhniuisn't that just a rumour?
21:58.54goibhniuI heard they're trying PAYG software in south africa ... which seems pretty silly to me
21:59.12goibhniu$30 a month to use office
22:00.25wethrin"Microsoft wants to buy up to 5% of Facebook..."
22:00.30wethrinThat's not the same as buying them out
22:00.45goibhniusince it includes keeping it updated I guess part of the idea is to get a lot of people using new formats that older versions of office won't support
22:03.56wethrindepends how much you use it :)
22:04.10goibhniupractically not at all
22:05.32wethrinthen you probably won't miss it too mcuh :)
22:08.25goibhniupoor Leeds on the otherhand would be losing an arm
22:09.16goibhniuit would give a bit of momentum to the notion of gpl web services
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