| 05:00.03 | morsing | ibot change 1850usd to gbp |
| 05:00.08 | morsing | ibot change 1850 usd to gbp |
| 05:00.19 | morsing | ibot convert 1850 usd to gbp |
| 05:00.26 | morsing | IS IT! |
| 05:00.31 | morsing | ibot convert 1850 usd to gb |
| 05:00.40 | morsing | ibot: You suck |
| 05:00.41 | ibot | and very well I might add |
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| 05:32.48 | serris | morning |
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| 07:09.22 | gregj | morsing: :) |
| 07:27.41 | morsing | gregj! |
| 07:27.43 | morsing | etorix! |
| 07:27.46 | morsing | serris! |
| 07:27.52 | morsing | serris: Where did you go? |
| 07:28.00 | gregj | ! |
| 07:30.39 | serris | morning morsing |
| 07:30.56 | serris | just trying to fix up a script so drifting around |
| 07:35.16 | morsing | Nice - for 8 months? |
| 07:37.00 | serris | Has it been that long? |
| 07:38.09 | morsing | Yes |
| 07:38.14 | morsing | We've missed you |
| 07:38.20 | morsing | Barely worth coming here anymore |
| 07:38.27 | serris | : P |
| 07:38.41 | morsing | And the number of twats (and my ignore list) has grown exponentially |
| 07:38.43 | serris | I've been here and there. Didn't have net for about 3 month |
| 07:40.36 | morsing | Still working nights? |
| 07:40.51 | serris | Still but not for long! |
| 07:40.57 | serris | Got a new job just waiting for paperwork to clear |
| 07:47.56 | morsing | Nice - at VISA? |
| 07:48.29 | serris | BAA |
| 07:50.43 | morsing | ?! Doing what? |
| 07:50.48 | morsing | I know some people there |
| 07:50.58 | serris | Security |
| 07:51.11 | morsing | Nice - don't let Jeremy in# |
| 07:51.26 | serris | Jeremy? |
| 07:54.10 | morsing | Mmm... |
| 07:57.16 | morsing | Coffee? |
| 07:57.58 | serris | Nah specialk |
| 07:58.59 | morsing | Beer for me |
| 07:59.41 | serris | I had some last night |
| 07:59.48 | serris | Z'ywiec |
| 08:07.29 | morsing | Sounds nice |
| 08:07.44 | serris | Polish |
| 08:08.43 | serris | Still have a Lekh sitting in the fridge, some Zlaty' Baz^ant and Corgon^ sitting on the seiling |
| 08:08.51 | serris | window seil* |
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| 08:11.36 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 08:11.47 | morsing | catalyst: We love you! Don't go away! |
| 08:14.02 | catalyst | heyo |
| 08:14.09 | catalyst | I'm afraid I have to, I have work to do |
| 08:14.24 | morsing | :( |
| 08:17.39 | morsing | Oh no :( |
| 08:17.48 | morsing | serris: You're still here right? |
| 08:20.43 | jcookeman | morning |
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| 08:27.38 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:27.43 | morsing | wHAT'S THE JOB? |
| 08:29.02 | serris | yeah |
| 08:29.19 | jcookeman | hali: any luck on finding someone for me? |
| 08:30.04 | hali | jcookeman: no, the guy i asked is still dorking for sony |
| 08:30.20 | morsing | jcookeman! |
| 08:34.02 | jcookeman | mosing |
| 08:39.09 | morsing | ?!??%£^£$&£$&^$& |
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| 08:43.19 | morsing | Avnit! |
| 08:43.26 | morsing | ~seen annec |
| 08:43.28 | ibot | annec is currently on #gllug (16h 57m 36s), last said: '(take it as either 1) morsing talk 2) yahoo! talk) !!'. |
| 08:43.38 | morsing | And I still don't get that |
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| 08:48.46 | niv_one_three | hi all , I need help with manual kernel config |
| 08:49.01 | niv_one_three | I can't build the userland input module |
| 08:49.15 | niv_one_three | It appears as --- , while evdev builds fine |
| 08:51.32 | antiphase | I'd expect it to depends on something you haven't enabled |
| 08:51.52 | antiphase | I didn't think people compiled kernels any more, it's after 1999 ;) |
| 08:52.45 | jcookeman | antiphase: dont you know it's bragging rights to have the smallest kernel image?? :P |
| 08:52.47 | niv_one_three | so I need to find what is needed to allow me to buiild uinput - right? |
| 08:53.33 | antiphase | Can it fit on a single-sided floppy? ;) |
| 08:53.53 | niv_one_three | anti: I am a gentoo user... |
| 08:54.10 | jcookeman | all hail the gentoo users |
| 08:56.10 | jcookeman | niv_one_three: why dont you use genkernel? |
| 08:58.19 | antiphase | Suckers for punishment. I used to try and use Gentoo, it turns out to be a total nightmare after a while though |
| 08:58.52 | jcookeman | yeah, I used it for a long time. I actually like the idea, but watching my laptop melt while trying to do an upgrade is insane. It did get old after a while. |
| 09:00.27 | antiphase | IT gets old the first time a server in a remote place fucks up after a world upgrade because something fundamental changed |
| 09:01.20 | etorix | i was gonna try it after dan'l robbin rejoined |
| 09:01.29 | etorix | then they re-booted him |
| 09:02.40 | jcookeman | etorix : nice one |
| 09:02.53 | jcookeman | antiphase: you used it in production! kudos |
| 09:02.59 | etorix | robbins* |
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| 09:03.45 | etorix | must have made him feel a bit sick , that |
| 09:16.55 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 09:25.51 | niv_one_three | thnks , I will keep looking |
| 09:26.01 | niv_one_three | if only I had any idea how to goole for it.. |
| 09:27.04 | etorix | go ask in #kernelnewbies, on oftc |
| 09:29.52 | niv_one_three | thanks etorix |
| 09:32.06 | niv_one_three | so few members there... |
| 09:34.44 | etorix | 170? |
| 09:35.01 | etorix | #kernelnewbies, on oftc |
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| 09:39.36 | AnneC | morsing! you don't get it, that last thing I said! |
| 09:42.01 | morsing | I don't :) |
| 09:42.06 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:45.47 | goibhniu | hay morsing .. how are you? |
| 09:46.31 | goibhniu | has two sheds been taking care of himself? |
| 09:53.25 | morsing | I'm so dissapointed he's lying to me about this girlfriend |
| 09:53.36 | morsing | He must have been seeing her over a month ago |
| 09:53.40 | morsing | s/ago// |
| 09:53.55 | morsing | And he keeps lying to me about things |
| 09:54.39 | morsing | Yesterday, after he'd been ignoring email, texts and phone calls for two days, I went to his house. He *promised* he would email me today but I still haven't heard from him! |
| 09:55.42 | jcookeman | morsing: I'm confused |
| 09:55.57 | jcookeman | hali: are there any general recommendations for database memory allocations? |
| 09:56.10 | goibhniu | morsing: that sounds terrible:( ... has he found religion or something? |
| 09:57.10 | morsing | Not sure - he's certainly ignoring me and he's been with her every day since mid-last week :( |
| 09:57.18 | morsing | jcookeman: Are you? |
| 09:57.35 | jcookeman | morsing: yes |
| 09:57.47 | jcookeman | what are you talking about? |
| 09:58.22 | morsing | jcookeman: TwoSheds and his new secret girlfriend |
| 09:58.33 | jcookeman | are you jealous? |
| 09:58.56 | jcookeman | :P |
| 09:58.56 | goibhniu | morsing: did you run away with his last wife? |
| 09:59.56 | morsing | goibhniu: Almost - but then she ran away from both of us :( |
| 10:00.12 | morsing | jcookeman: No - dissapointed |
| 10:00.28 | morsing | goibhniu: I'm getting the blame though - especially from her family |
| 10:01.06 | jcookeman | morsing: like sands through the hourglass.... |
| 10:01.22 | morsing | jcookeman: ? I don't get it |
| 10:01.33 | jcookeman | ...so are the days of our lives |
| 10:02.12 | goibhniu | is that an Elton John number? |
| 10:02.59 | jcookeman | no it's from a soap in the US "Days of our Lives" :D |
| 10:04.09 | hali | jcookeman: depends on the size of the box and number of instances |
| 10:06.04 | hali | jcookeman: on a normal 8gb machine i'd say assign 60% to oracle ... PGA and SGA depending on usage |
| 10:06.21 | hali | jcookeman: it's fairly easy to hunch the first settings and then use the oracle advisory views to tune it |
| 10:08.19 | niv_one_three | what is wrong in this line: for f in `find .` ;do ffmpeg -i ${f} ${f}.mp3 ; done |
| 10:08.34 | niv_one_three | I want to convert all amr file to mp3 |
| 10:10.00 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: it will return "." too .. could that be the problem? |
| 10:10.27 | antiphase | `find . -type f -iname \*.amr` |
| 10:11.17 | jcookeman | hale: 8gb with 6 dbs |
| 10:11.35 | jcookeman | hali: you think one giant memory pool instead of allocating memory to each db? |
| 10:13.47 | niv_one_three | them spaces are the problem |
| 10:15.36 | niv_one_three | I dont gt it , aint ${f} enougth to solve space? |
| 10:15.40 | antiphase | "${f}" |
| 10:16.05 | niv_one_three | for fq in `find . -type f -iname \*.amr` ;do ls "${fq}" ; done |
| 10:16.07 | niv_one_three | no go |
| 10:16.26 | antiphase | IFS=' |
| 10:16.27 | antiphase | ' |
| 10:16.36 | antiphase | Then try |
| 10:16.49 | antiphase | You may have to export it |
| 10:17.08 | niv_one_three | ok now , why was it bad before? |
| 10:17.25 | antiphase | Because the field separator for shell arguments is a space |
| 10:17.34 | antiphase | unless you escape them with \ |
| 10:18.07 | hali | jcookeman: no, each instance will allocate it's own memory... if you *really* need six instances |
| 10:18.26 | jcookeman | hali: yes we must have for now |
| 10:18.48 | hali | jcookeman: but allocate about 6Gb'ish (perahps a bit less) RAM total to oracle, PGA is process memory and SGA is shared memory... |
| 10:19.04 | hali | jcookeman: pga is used for sorts etc and sga is buffer cache and shared pool etc |
| 10:20.25 | hali | without knowing anything i'd set sga to 768Mb per db and pga to 256Mb ... the look in the memory advice views how to balance it |
| 10:20.46 | jcookeman | that's about what we have now |
| 10:21.02 | jcookeman | but I thought we could just allocate a giant chunk and let Oracle figure it out |
| 10:21.19 | hali | not with multiple instances |
| 10:22.41 | jcookeman | ok great |
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| 10:37.09 | morsing | Ch0Hag! |
| 10:37.34 | Ch0Hag | morsing! |
| 10:56.31 | morsing | Cofee? |
| 10:56.34 | morsing | Coffee? |
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| 11:00.50 | morsing | trousers! |
| 11:04.09 | AnneC | no. coffee will do. |
| 11:10.38 | morsing | :) |
| 11:11.37 | AnneC | ahhh, coffee |
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| 11:31.53 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:32.08 | dick_turpin | morsing: Wazzup? |
| 11:33.20 | morsing | Lost TwoSheds! |
| 11:34.21 | dick_turpin | morsing: A man without a shed is a lost soul |
| 11:35.10 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 11:38.08 | dick_turpin | AAAaaaarrrggghhh, splat! |
| 11:38.17 | morsing | WRONG WINDOW dick_turpin |
| 11:38.30 | morsing | !!! |
| 11:38.40 | morsing | dick_turpin: You're in window 12 |
| 11:39.24 | morsing | :( |
| 11:39.54 | AnneC | he did that to himself morsing, it's not your fault |
| 11:40.52 | morsing | :( |
| 11:40.58 | morsing | I want to believe that! |
| 11:44.12 | AnneC | try me |
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| 11:49.23 | AnneC | it works if you believe it. |
| 11:53.09 | AnneC | we're not in a film dick_turpin, there won't be any 'scary' music and my computer will keep working fine if/when I have to fight and/or die. |
| 11:53.11 | AnneC | Or at least the server will have the decency to use proper words, like " unexpectedly " :-D |
| 11:53.40 | Ch0Hag | Garlic and a cross? Cloves? |
| 11:53.46 | Ch0Hag | Are we doing IE HTML design? |
| 11:54.00 | Ch0Hag | No wait, never mind, that's chicken bones and incense. |
| 11:54.11 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Oi only boudiccas is allowed to correct my spelling :-P |
| 11:54.26 | AnneC | sorry, I thought it was very timely :-D |
| 11:54.29 | boudiccas | thank you for the compliment dick_turpin |
| 11:55.33 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I know the cheek of some people, think they can muscle in! what with that and the price of bake beans? I dunno well I said to the doctor |
| 11:55.53 | boudiccas | everybody has four cheeks |
| 11:56.25 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: for cheeks a jolly good fellow for cheeks a jolly good fellow |
| 11:57.54 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: :-* |
| 11:58.23 | boudiccas | thers that stubby cigar again |
| 11:58.28 | boudiccas | *theres |
| 11:58.39 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ha ha 'theres' |
| 11:58.50 | boudiccas | *there's |
| 11:58.55 | boudiccas | better? |
| 11:58.55 | dick_turpin | bugger too slow |
| 11:59.17 | boudiccas | what has 'too' done to deserve being buggered? |
| 12:01.00 | boudiccas | ah ha! dick_turpin is stuck for a reply! first time ever! :) |
| 12:01.01 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Dunno but I think he likes it too much |
| 12:01.28 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Wrong again? |
| 12:01.35 | Ch0Hag | I'm sorry is this English? |
| 12:01.46 | boudiccas | enough of this frivolity, i'm off to read my emails |
| 12:02.01 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; yes :) mainly a play on words |
| 12:02.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You being frivolous with my emotions again? |
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| 12:17.13 | boudiccas | ramadan starts tomorrow |
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| 12:18.14 | boudiccas | evening Leeds |
| 12:18.30 | Leeds | evening boudiccas |
| 12:18.33 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ram a lam, ram a lam a ding dong |
| 12:18.57 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; :( |
| 12:19.34 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Sorry could'nt resist, would you like to beat me now or later |
| 12:24.22 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i have a choice? I'll put it on hold for the moment thank you :) |
| 12:26.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Life is all about choices |
| 12:27.40 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:27.48 | morsing | Leeds: How's the weather? |
| 12:28.25 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 12:28.29 | morsing | tripitaka! |
| 12:28.46 | tripitaka | hello |
| 12:29.29 | catalyst | heya |
| 12:30.21 | morsing | hi boudiccas. How are you today? |
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| 12:34.49 | morsing | trousers! |
| 12:35.08 | morsing | trousers: boudiccas wants to say hello but can't at the moment |
| 12:38.23 | boudiccas | morsing; awake tnak you |
| 12:38.26 | boudiccas | *thank |
| 12:38.46 | boudiccas | why doesn't xchat have a spell checker? |
| 12:42.17 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: It probably does my pidgin is the same its a problem with gtk |
| 12:52.18 | jcookeman | pidgin sucks |
| 12:52.19 | etorix | xchat does have one |
| 12:52.44 | gw280 | WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT A SPELL CHECKER? |
| 12:53.03 | etorix | default xchat wont allow teh |
| 12:53.28 | gw280 | that's not spell checking, that's text replacement. it has a very very small database of stuff like that |
| 12:53.33 | gw280 | it's more like a common-typo-checker |
| 12:54.34 | Leeds | it can use gtk-spell |
| 12:56.32 | dick_turpin | gw280: Coz oi kant spel |
| 12:57.54 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: why does pidgin suck? I really hate one word statements they explain nothing and help no one |
| 13:00.08 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: it just does suck. I hate it. It's bad software |
| 13:00.38 | jcookeman | disconnections that need restarts to fix for one |
| 13:00.49 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Ok why? seeing as all it is is gaim repackaged |
| 13:01.22 | jcookeman | yes I know |
| 13:01.24 | jcookeman | gaim sucked |
| 13:01.49 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Well pidgin has never disconnected me, only crappy connections do that |
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| 13:03.55 | jcookeman | yes, but restart required to reconnect properly? |
| 13:04.04 | jcookeman | It happened to me and friends many times |
| 13:04.06 | jcookeman | very annoying |
| 13:05.16 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Hm, that might be a fair comment but then again IMO you have to do that with most (Not all) IRC clients |
| 13:10.25 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; not xchat |
| 13:10.42 | boudiccas | or afaik irssi |
| 13:11.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I did say not all and TBF restarting Gaim, Pidgin ect is no big deal in the grand scheme of things is it? |
| 13:12.18 | boudiccas | no, its not normally a problem. i prefer knoversation though to gaim/pidgin, but thats just my preference |
| 13:12.31 | boudiccas | *knoversation |
| 13:12.38 | boudiccas | *konversation |
| 13:12.42 | Armand | @_@ |
| 13:12.43 | boudiccas | finally! |
| 13:13.15 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm using pidgin now, actually its Pidgin-Portabal I'm running it of a USB drive |
| 13:13.45 | boudiccas | i've never used pidgin, centos hasn't got it afaik but still uses gaim. |
| 13:14.16 | dick_turpin | portable |
| 13:14.39 | boudiccas | what is far more interesting though is why people use the distro that they use. i'd be interested in people's reasons for their choice |
| 13:14.54 | Armand | I'm still testing distro's on my laptop. |
| 13:14.58 | Armand | using Fedora atm. |
| 13:15.05 | clive-h | I like Fedora |
| 13:15.15 | boudiccas | which version of fedora Armand ? |
| 13:15.18 | Armand | FC7 |
| 13:15.20 | dick_turpin | Fedora is cool |
| 13:15.40 | clive-h | I'mn very much a SysV person and I chose redhat cos it's very close to SysV |
| 13:15.48 | Leeds | I'm a proud slacker |
| 13:15.57 | dick_turpin | Armand: No its not its F7 dick_turpin being picky |
| 13:16.11 | clive-h | I did SLS then MCC then Slackware |
| 13:16.13 | boudiccas | i don't like its 6-month development cycle, thats one of the reasons why i use centos 5. that and the fact that my hardware seems to only like redhat-based distros |
| 13:16.27 | Armand | dick_turpin: Me don't care. :D |
| 13:16.39 | clive-h | moved to redhat cos slackware was too slow to change from a.out to elf binaries |
| 13:16.42 | dick_turpin | Armand: :-) |
| 13:17.01 | Armand | I'm thinking about trying Gentoo or Slack on it.. |
| 13:17.13 | Armand | or LFS. @_@ |
| 13:17.27 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You'd love ArchLinux then, every update is in fact a system upgrade |
| 13:18.50 | boudiccas | that would really pee me off |
| 13:19.53 | morsing | boudiccas: Are you actively lookinf for work? |
| 13:20.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No no you don't understand its a bit like a snap shot that you sync with so theres no six month upgrade cycle only a name change every now and then |
| 13:20.23 | jcookeman | guys, if you really want something that works and keeps your blood pressure within spec, use ubuntu or f7. why on Earth would you use Gentoo, LFS, or slack? |
| 13:20.34 | morsing | Debian |
| 13:20.34 | jcookeman | unless you just like surgery that much |
| 13:20.47 | Armand | I did try Kubuntu, didn't like it much. |
| 13:21.16 | clive-h | I like centos/fedora and Solaris |
| 13:21.23 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: UBUNTU are you seriuos!! please!! its a kids distro |
| 13:21.28 | boudiccas | jcookeman; why do you assume that we're all /guys/? I'm not a guy and resent being called a guy. |
| 13:21.32 | clive-h | I'd like to learn HP/UX and AIX |
| 13:21.50 | Armand | boudiccas, how about "Dude" ?? :P |
| 13:22.03 | jcookeman | guy is a generic term nowadays |
| 13:22.16 | jcookeman | it implies no gender |
| 13:22.17 | boudiccas | Armand; how about 'folks'? :) |
| 13:22.17 | Armand | yeah, especially for trannies. :P |
| 13:22.30 | Armand | could work. :) |
| 13:22.33 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: Ubuntu is good stuff! |
| 13:22.57 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: since when does Linux need to be a haphazard mess? |
| 13:23.16 | Leeds | boudiccas: how about darlin' |
| 13:23.35 | jcookeman | hey guys and dolls! |
| 13:23.53 | Armand | oh well, brb.. shopping. ¬_¬ |
| 13:24.20 | jcookeman | do we have some western femino-nazis around today? |
| 13:24.35 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: WTF but thats what Ubuntu is! its an over hyped haphazard non complient hash up the CD's are best used as coasters |
| 13:24.53 | jcookeman | works comfortably for me |
| 13:25.14 | jcookeman | and what is it non compliant with? |
| 13:25.32 | Leeds | boudiccas: my lady? |
| 13:25.36 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: propriety drivers ect |
| 13:25.49 | jcookeman | proprietary drivers means nothing |
| 13:26.10 | jcookeman | it adheres to licensing |
| 13:26.40 | boudiccas | Leeds; nah, just boudiccas |
| 13:26.40 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: maybe not to you tell that to my mate Aq (LugRadio and Jono Bacon crony) he'll bite your head off |
| 13:27.28 | Leeds | dick_turpin: I'm sure Aq would love being called a Jono crony :-) |
| 13:27.37 | jcookeman | well it does. For the purists out there, they are just slowing down the adoption of Linux. I know there has been hard work for instance the ATI drivers and Nvidia, but that isn't to say that people should suffer in the meantime. |
| 13:28.09 | jcookeman | and yes those people have been successful seems this time around with ATI |
| 13:28.39 | Leeds | there are different opinions... none is obviously an absolute truth |
| 13:28.54 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Actually I have Ubuntu installed on an IBM X20 at home it was a bit of bitch seeing as I don't have the media bay for it |
| 13:29.13 | jcookeman | yeah |
| 13:29.18 | jcookeman | I agree Leeds |
| 13:29.46 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: My main gripe with it is I see nothing to warrant the zeal that it supposedly generates |
| 13:30.25 | clive-h | I'd say the problem with proprietary drivers is that the vendors are slow to update them when the kernel changes |
| 13:30.25 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: Ubuntu have made the longest strides in the shortest amount of time providing a good user experience of Linux |
| 13:30.28 | jcookeman | and that is just a fact |
| 13:30.50 | jcookeman | ....well to my mind anyway |
| 13:31.00 | Leeds | personally, I only use free drivers at home, but I have used binary userspace daemons without being happy about it, and binary firmware without being bothered |
| 13:31.02 | jcookeman | but I think many would agree |
| 13:31.46 | clive-h | i run various databases at home, they're mostly commercial/proprietary |
| 13:31.49 | jcookeman | honestly, if ATI and Nvidia are supplying drivers for their hardware on Linux, I have no problem using it if I want to receive the full benefits of their hardware. |
| 13:31.51 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: No the fact is it was created off the back of Debian so therefore had a good few years ground work already done for them |
| 13:32.05 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: nothing wrong with that either |
| 13:32.18 | Leeds | clive-h: the biggest problems in my experience is that firstly they've never been that good when I've tried them - and they tend to do things like focus on glx while ignoring xv, which doesn't fit my usage pattern |
| 13:32.48 | clive-h | The nvidia one is pretty solid |
| 13:32.53 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: I didnt say there was but the statement "Longest strides" is not strictly true |
| 13:33.28 | clive-h | though I've not tried noveau yet |
| 13:34.05 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: who has done better? |
| 13:34.09 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: It appears a fast track because they have built on what has already been done so it just appears fast, Its all smoke and mirrors you know |
| 13:34.16 | Leeds | I've been using ATI for a long time, simply because there are decent free drivers, albeit only for older cards |
| 13:35.27 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: I dont agree. Yes, it's fact they took a solid foundation from Debian. But, they have done a lot of work and returned all that back to the community. |
| 13:35.28 | Leeds | although I suspect my next built machine will just have a fully-integrated Intel board |
| 13:36.10 | jcookeman | There has been a lot of money put into Ubuntu and all that is available for free with no obligation |
| 13:36.40 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Do you mean the Ubuntu community? I remeber when openSUSE was in terminal free fall and Mr Shuttleworth thought it'd be a really good idea to |
| 13:36.45 | jcookeman | Debian is a great distro, but it does not provide a good user experience. |
| 13:36.59 | clive-h | i have various machines with intel mobos/graphics - this is one - they work fine with X |
| 13:37.13 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: post to the openSUSE mailing list inviting all the SUSE developers to come over to Ubuntu |
| 13:37.32 | morsing | jcookeman: If you're an ex-unix user/admin, then it will do the job |
| 13:37.50 | jcookeman | so what? wtf does that have to do with the end-user experience. if you have beef against ubuntu because of something like that, that does not reflect on the product ubuntu is. |
| 13:38.25 | Leeds | clive-h: Intel are Good Guys (at least at the moment) and get major kudos for having keithp on staff as a driver dude |
| 13:38.31 | jcookeman | morsing: I agree with you. Im not talking about that. I'm talking about ordinary people using it. Or, people that want to have a hassle-free installation |
| 13:39.08 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: No you said they give back to the community so I was talking in community terms, dosent sound very community spirited to me |
| 13:39.09 | clive-h | yeah they seem to be on side with linux these days |
| 13:39.35 | jcookeman | I did the thing with 10 linux machines in my spare bedroom, Gentoo on the laptop...I (along with many others) want to enjoy my time now. It's not worth it. And, it's not worth it to others as well. If you want Linux to make it's way into people's homes, then Debian, slack, gentoo, lfs, et al are not the answer |
| 13:39.59 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: that was a very stupid then to do, yes. but they do give back to the community. |
| 13:40.13 | boudiccas | well, my comment about distros has certainly livened up the channel :) |
| 13:40.52 | jcookeman | if people got their panties in a wad over silly shit like that, then Linux would cease to exist as a whole |
| 13:40.54 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Good, now I will be a man and agree with you that for Newbies (and I hate that word) Ubuntu is a very good first choice |
| 13:41.05 | jcookeman | it's not about newbies |
| 13:41.16 | jcookeman | I've used Linux for 10 years now. I know it inside and out |
| 13:41.20 | jcookeman | but I dont want to fight with it |
| 13:41.37 | jcookeman | I have Ubuntu on twinview at work. it works well. I dont have to waste my time messing with it. |
| 13:41.41 | morsing | jcookeman: Ordinary people should use Windows and leave us alone! |
| 13:41.42 | clive-h | i've used linux since 1992 |
| 13:41.52 | jcookeman | morsing: correct! |
| 13:42.01 | clive-h | I don't have to fight fedora |
| 13:42.10 | jcookeman | that's true |
| 13:42.15 | jcookeman | F7 is good |
| 13:42.53 | clive-h | centos is rock solid for servers |
| 13:43.09 | clive-h | I'd never deploy Fedora on a server |
| 13:43.20 | jcookeman | I wish I worked for a company that would allow centos on production |
| 13:43.30 | antiphase | Ubuntu belongs on desktops. It's far too volatile for server use really |
| 13:43.31 | jcookeman | only legit support here |
| 13:43.37 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: I have F7 installed on a dell gx150 here, now, at work. I run openSUSE on my main box at home |
| 13:43.56 | jcookeman | antiphase: as F7 |
| 13:44.11 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: I've run CentOS webservers I also run ArchLinux on a Toshiba laptop |
| 13:44.30 | dick_turpin | I've been around computers for 20 + years |
| 13:45.02 | dick_turpin | And there is always something new to learn |
| 13:45.02 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; so /thats/ why you've gone bald is it? :) |
| 13:45.31 | jcookeman | yeah, I agree, there is always something new to learn. |
| 13:45.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Too much head board action poppit ;-) |
| 13:45.36 | jcookeman | ROFL |
| 13:45.40 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:45.44 | clive-h | i've worked in IT since 1984, started when mainframes used punched cards and mag tape and removable disk packs of 600Mb were considered big |
| 13:45.57 | morsing | dick_turpin: Thanks! |
| 13:46.14 | jcookeman | oh yeah! well I worked on a mag tape / paper punch unit made in 1957 |
| 13:46.17 | jcookeman | :P |
| 13:46.32 | goibhniu | ubuntu is the wrong choice for noobs |
| 13:46.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Bog off |
| 13:46.46 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; every time you call me 'poppit' i get a flashback to 'pirates of the caribbean 1' :))))) |
| 13:46.48 | morsing | Just like whisky |
| 13:47.05 | Leeds | jcookeman: actually, a couple of my colleagues were having that chat this afternoon - one was apparently doing punched card work while the other was playing with a vic-20 at home :-) |
| 13:47.13 | goibhniu | mandriva is far superior (or possibly maybe arc linux) |
| 13:47.23 | jcookeman | I need to go puke now |
| 13:47.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Cor boudiccas in a lacy dress with a cutless |
| 13:47.34 | jcookeman | oh wait, we call that chunder over here ya? |
| 13:47.49 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; :))))) |
| 13:48.10 | jcookeman | btw, I dont know any you you guys in here. just not to offend anyone, who are the split tails in here? |
| 13:48.30 | clive-h | split tails? |
| 13:48.40 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: unlike some my bark is worse than my bite ;-) |
| 13:49.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You sod I used to advise newb to use Mandriva or Mandrake as was |
| 13:49.21 | jcookeman | clive-h: it was a joke. split tails are women |
| 13:49.34 | dick_turpin | clive-h: Thats split arse |
| 13:49.56 | clive-h | That's a tad vulgar |
| 13:50.07 | boudiccas | in /very/ bad taste |
| 13:50.17 | clive-h | yes very offensive |
| 13:50.27 | jcookeman | that's why it was a joke. notice how I placed "not to offend anyone" before it...hehehehe |
| 13:51.19 | clive-h | there's no need for that kind of thing on here |
| 13:51.38 | Leeds | ey, ey, calm down... |
| 13:52.19 | jcookeman | reeling in.... |
| 13:52.27 | dick_turpin | clive-h: Are you talking to me? I was just translating |
| 13:52.32 | goibhniu | anyway .. kde is better for windows immigrants |
| 13:52.37 | morsing | Good - doing work and following this discussion is almost imppossible at the same time! Turn my head and a new 23 lines appear |
| 13:52.40 | morsing | God |
| 13:57.57 | Leeds | http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/girls.jpg |
| 13:58.06 | Leeds | life in HK isn't that bad, really... |
| 13:58.19 | morsing | Nice :) |
| 13:58.26 | clive-h | hmmm 8.2 quake in indonesia |
| 13:58.34 | goibhniu | damn ... I missed all the fun today :( |
| 13:58.47 | morsing | goibhniu: We've had fun here, no? |
| 13:59.11 | goibhniu | and btw ... "guys" implies both genders but "guy" is male only |
| 14:00.02 | jcookeman | goibhniu: thanks you |
| 14:00.31 | goibhniu | jcookeman: we've been through this before |
| 14:01.44 | goibhniu | "chaps" is very offensive however |
| 14:01.52 | goibhniu | trousers: get's in trouble when he says it |
| 14:01.53 | morsing | Is it? |
| 14:02.03 | morsing | Why is that offensive? |
| 14:02.21 | antiphase | I'm not sure how you shower of foreigners decide what is and isn't good English ;) |
| 14:02.40 | goibhniu | english consists of foreign languages ... that's all it is |
| 14:03.25 | morsing | goibhniu: Pint after work Friday? |
| 14:03.42 | goibhniu | morsing: because we're not all chaps here ... and it sounds posh too .. so IRL you'd get beaten up for saying it |
| 14:03.58 | goibhniu | morsing: I'm not working |
| 14:04.12 | morsing | goibhniu: Cool - we can start early then :) |
| 14:04.55 | goibhniu | morsing: I'm meeting some old college buddies over the weekend ... do you want to come along and pretend to be my lover? |
| 14:05.11 | morsing | I wouldn't say no to that! |
| 14:05.56 | goibhniu | they'd never believe I really had a gf anyway |
| 14:06.06 | morsing | We don't either tbh |
| 14:07.02 | jcookeman | goibhniu: why did I get bollocked for saying guys? |
| 14:07.05 | goibhniu | just because she's not on irc doesn't mean she doesn't exist |
| 14:07.18 | goibhniu | jcookeman: for fun I suppose |
| 14:07.24 | jcookeman | fishing :D |
| 14:07.42 | goibhniu | why can't you just be clear and say "humans" |
| 14:07.56 | goibhniu | it's much simpler ... only ibot gets excluded |
| 14:08.03 | morsing | goibhniu: Well... |
| 14:08.12 | morsing | ibot humans |
| 14:08.13 | ibot | humans are meatbags |
| 14:09.10 | goibhniu | bilarh_: what was it we had decided on previously ... "entities"? |
| 14:11.35 | goibhniu | when you join the channel it says "boys and girls" which is both ageist and sexist, so I guess it's fair warning of what to expect |
| 14:13.23 | Armand | "I love noodles" ?!?! |
| 14:13.27 | Armand | @_@ |
| 14:13.53 | dick_turpin | ibot your excluded |
| 14:14.13 | *** join/#gllug Avnit (i=22@gateway/tor/x-6c9a3be5cdf2dd1a) |
| 14:15.14 | AnneC | guys, don't you have work to do :-D |
| 14:15.27 | Armand | Not me. :P |
| 14:15.56 | jcookeman | ibot jcookeman |
| 14:16.01 | jcookeman | blah! |
| 14:16.20 | AnneC | back to work, children |
| 14:16.22 | goibhniu | me neither ... yay! |
| 14:16.31 | Armand | life sucks. |
| 14:16.32 | AnneC | find something to do |
| 14:16.33 | goibhniu | Armand: noodles rock! |
| 14:16.40 | AnneC | life is what you make of it |
| 14:16.41 | Armand | :) |
| 14:16.47 | jcookeman | AnneC: we can hook up for a pint..that's something to do |
| 14:16.50 | AnneC | I prefer sashimi |
| 14:16.51 | Armand | ok, MY life sucks.. better? :P |
| 14:17.01 | goibhniu | Armand: share! |
| 14:17.06 | AnneC | why do you do that to yourself Armand ? |
| 14:17.19 | Armand | coz I am super-failz! |
| 14:17.26 | goibhniu | udon noodles! |
| 14:17.44 | Armand | no home, no job. >_< |
| 14:17.48 | Armand | sucks. |
| 14:17.56 | goibhniu | Armand: me too .. but I'm loaded! |
| 14:18.02 | Armand | jammy git! |
| 14:18.05 | Armand | :P |
| 14:18.12 | goibhniu | and I have a place to stay for a couple of weeks |
| 14:18.33 | Armand | well done.. i ain't got shit, except my PC's & junk. |
| 14:18.48 | goibhniu | can't you get help from our blood thirsty government? |
| 14:19.05 | Armand | I wish. |
| 14:19.13 | Armand | useless bunch of fktards. |
| 14:19.15 | goibhniu | your partner is loaded? |
| 14:19.29 | Armand | single white male = no help. |
| 14:19.54 | goibhniu | you can get the dole and rent allowance ... after filling in the same form 73 times |
| 14:20.01 | Armand | lol |
| 14:20.15 | AnneC | how do you get a place to stay if you don't have deposit though? |
| 14:20.22 | Armand | I got JSA, but I need to find a place I can move into before housing bennie. |
| 14:20.30 | Armand | that too. |
| 14:20.52 | Armand | although, apparently.. housing bennie should be able to help with deposits. |
| 14:21.05 | goibhniu | that's why you need to start dealing crack |
| 14:21.11 | Armand | fk that. :P |
| 14:21.11 | AnneC | you've got a brain, get a job |
| 14:21.32 | AnneC | and deal crack in the evening |
| 14:21.33 | jcookeman | AnneC: why you blow me out? |
| 14:21.40 | goibhniu | jobs are shit ... and people don't want to hire unemployed people |
| 14:21.45 | Armand | lol |
| 14:21.56 | AnneC | ha ha make me cry |
| 14:22.00 | clive-h | I'm having trouble getting a new job |
| 14:22.12 | Armand | tis true, especially those that have been unemployed for 4 years. O_o |
| 14:22.27 | clive-h | I am presently yes |
| 14:22.43 | AnneC | I've asked around for you, they don't need someone right now, btw, clive-h |
| 14:22.57 | clive-h | Thanks anne |
| 14:22.58 | goibhniu | Armand: what skillz? |
| 14:23.01 | AnneC | jcookeman: well some people happen to be trying to work |
| 14:23.09 | AnneC | so no beer today ;-) |
| 14:23.13 | Armand | Mostly PC hardware. |
| 14:23.18 | jcookeman | AnneC: I can multitask really well. |
| 14:23.20 | Armand | builds, repairs, etc |
| 14:23.34 | Armand | Windows + networking is easy stuff.. |
| 14:24.02 | goibhniu | lots of people have that stuff unfortunately |
| 14:24.10 | goibhniu | you need some obscure skill maybe |
| 14:24.11 | Armand | I'm currently trying to learn Linux + network admins. |
| 14:24.17 | goibhniu | like aix |
| 14:24.21 | Armand | @_@ |
| 14:24.26 | goibhniu | then you get paid lots of money |
| 14:24.36 | AnneC | why Armand, Armand ? French or vampire? |
| 14:24.42 | Armand | vampire. :P |
| 14:24.42 | jcookeman | AnneC: let's have a pint next time you're in the city |
| 14:24.43 | goibhniu | the LPI helped me |
| 14:24.45 | jcookeman | and boudicass |
| 14:24.48 | Armand | Anne Rice, FTW! :D |
| 14:24.51 | AnneC | ok jcookeman |
| 14:24.58 | jcookeman | :P |
| 14:25.30 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: that last score you sold me was bad >:o |
| 14:25.56 | Armand | O_o |
| 14:26.08 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it was cut with pure cock roach powder ... good sheet |
| 14:26.17 | Armand | lol |
| 14:26.24 | Armand | fking junkies. :P |
| 14:26.37 | goibhniu | Armand: are you doing the LPI? |
| 14:26.43 | Armand | LPI? |
| 14:26.57 | dick_turpin | Linux Profesional Institute |
| 14:27.01 | goibhniu | http://lpi.org/ |
| 14:27.02 | Armand | nope. |
| 14:27.02 | boudiccas | linux professional institute |
| 14:27.15 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Snap I win |
| 14:27.20 | boudiccas | lol |
| 14:27.20 | Leeds | mmm... sashimi |
| 14:27.41 | Armand | goddamnit, stupid Konqueror. |
| 14:28.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You told be it was cut with baby bio |
| 14:29.11 | goibhniu | Armand: if you've got some sys-admin skills it shouldn't be hard to find work in london .. just not well paid until you've got experience |
| 14:29.29 | morsing | Leeds: Sashimi? Can I have some? |
| 14:29.41 | Armand | Well, I've just come back to Linux, after about 3/4 years off it. |
| 14:29.48 | Armand | I'm pretty much a n00b. |
| 14:30.17 | Leeds | morsing: I don't have any right now - had some for late-afternoon-snack on Monday though :-) |
| 14:31.01 | morsing | Why did you mention it then :( |
| 14:31.05 | dick_turpin | Armand: If you can switch the stupid thing on and get on the internet you are not a noob and I'll fight anyone who disagrees |
| 14:31.10 | morsing | I'm hungry now |
| 14:31.38 | Armand | hehe |
| 14:32.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Wheres that USB, Linux, Internet thigy you showed me the other day? |
| 14:32.42 | dick_turpin | thingy |
| 14:32.47 | Armand | I'm using a router for shared internets, so easy.. :) |
| 14:33.03 | morsing | http://www.ayonline.co.uk/ |
| 14:33.07 | Leeds | morsing: I was responding to AnneC |
| 14:33.34 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: http://www.linutop.com/ |
| 14:34.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah thats it, here you go Armand |
| 14:34.16 | Armand | ? |
| 14:34.50 | dick_turpin | Armand: No skills required :-) |
| 14:34.58 | Armand | :) |
| 14:35.16 | Armand | took me ages to figure out which way up the RJ45's go. :P |
| 14:35.28 | dick_turpin | Armand: ROTFLMAO |
| 14:35.35 | Armand | hehe |
| 14:35.43 | morsing | Leeds: Sorry, hadn't noticed that |
| 14:36.56 | Armand | Still, I'm going to talk to my mum & her husband tonight. |
| 14:37.05 | Armand | I'm thinking of going back to college |
| 14:39.35 | goibhniu | Armand: what do you want to do? |
| 14:39.56 | Armand | smoke weed and fuck bitches.. |
| 14:40.02 | Armand | oh.. you mean a job? :P |
| 14:40.07 | Armand | oops. :D |
| 14:40.14 | jcookeman | christ! |
| 14:40.24 | AnneC | that's a bit... hmmm... |
| 14:40.38 | Armand | sorry, couldn't help meself.. I'm having a caffeine overdose. @_@ |
| 14:41.01 | Armand | I'm actually twitching.. ! |
| 14:41.08 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:41.09 | Leeds | better than smoking bitches and fucking weed... |
| 14:41.16 | Armand | true |
| 14:41.21 | Armand | anyways. :) |
| 14:41.42 | Armand | Network admin would be nice, but thats a long ways off. |
| 14:41.59 | Armand | Anything involving PC hardware is a start. |
| 14:42.17 | Leeds | PC World? |
| 14:43.03 | Armand | O_o |
| 14:43.16 | Armand | Mayhaps.. |
| 14:43.26 | Armand | Nearest store is only 1 bus away. |
| 14:43.34 | jcookeman | Armand: I would officially not hire you! |
| 14:43.40 | Armand | Wow. :) |
| 14:43.54 | Armand | your like.. the 1,000,000th person to say that. :D |
| 14:44.56 | morsing | Armand: You made AnneC leave now :( |
| 14:45.01 | Armand | rar.. |
| 14:45.09 | Armand | that happens far too much. :( |
| 14:45.39 | Armand | although, I thought it was Leeds, mentioning PC World. :P |
| 14:46.04 | morsing | Nice - could have been actually |
| 14:47.12 | Armand | Well, I instantly had thoughts involving Leeds, and upturned table, and much violence. :P |
| 14:48.31 | Armand | Holy crap.. I haven't had this much caffeine in my blood for about a month.. @_@ |
| 14:48.44 | Armand | my vision is blurring. |
| 14:49.11 | Armand | stupid energy drinks.. |
| 14:49.38 | morsing | Sounds nice |
| 14:50.32 | Armand | High Caffeine Content: 30mg/100ml. |
| 14:50.36 | Armand | not bad. |
| 14:50.50 | morsing | Have another one - go on! |
| 14:51.14 | goibhniu | 50 espressos can kill you |
| 14:51.14 | jcookeman | What the hell happened to the conversation in here? |
| 14:51.22 | morsing | goibhniu: No it's 62 |
| 14:51.30 | goibhniu | not the way I make em |
| 14:51.37 | morsing | jcookeman: Yeah - some welsh bloke started it |
| 14:52.35 | Armand | so, 1ltr down.. thats 300mg. :P |
| 14:53.31 | morsing | Sounds nice |
| 14:53.32 | jcookeman | What's the topics for this month's meeting? |
| 14:53.40 | morsing | Caffeine |
| 14:53.44 | Armand | YAY! |
| 14:55.37 | goibhniu | jcookeman: I'm talking about video editing in linux |
| 14:56.05 | goibhniu | I think cpufreak is gonna talk about joost ... and someone else about linux game dev |
| 14:56.27 | jcookeman | goibhniu: what do you use for video editing? |
| 14:56.52 | dick_turpin | MS Panit ha ha ha |
| 14:56.53 | goibhniu | mainly cinelerra |
| 14:56.54 | clive-h | i'm gonna come to this month's event |
| 14:56.56 | dick_turpin | paint |
| 14:57.06 | Armand | paint winz! |
| 14:57.10 | jcookeman | goibhniu: the flame thrower ;P |
| 14:57.17 | Armand | my paint skillz is l33t! |
| 14:57.18 | goibhniu | blender is really good too though ... I have to brush up on it a bit for the talk |
| 14:57.29 | clive-h | cinelerra is cool |
| 14:57.46 | goibhniu | it is a bit rough around the edges but it does the job |
| 14:58.30 | clive-h | the other linux stuff in that area is very expensive |
| 14:58.39 | clive-h | and I mean *VERY* |
| 14:58.53 | goibhniu | what other stuff? |
| 14:58.59 | jcookeman | I see companies that sell cinerella farms |
| 14:59.06 | jcookeman | few years back anyway |
| 14:59.09 | goibhniu | main actor isn't expensive .. but it is a bit dead |
| 14:59.10 | jcookeman | certainly it's good |
| 14:59.17 | clive-h | shake and stuff |
| 14:59.25 | goibhniu | does shake run on linux? |
| 14:59.34 | clive-h | It did |
| 14:59.46 | clive-h | until apple bought it |
| 15:00.21 | goibhniu | it costs $4999 apparently |
| 15:00.32 | jcookeman | wowzers! |
| 15:00.34 | goibhniu | clever old apple knocking off $1 to make it affordable |
| 15:00.43 | Armand | O_O |
| 15:00.46 | clive-h | I did say *VERY* expensive |
| 15:01.06 | Armand | thats fking absurd.. |
| 15:01.19 | goibhniu | I assume it doesn't work either |
| 15:01.24 | Armand | says the M$ user. :P |
| 15:01.41 | clive-h | lots of Tv and film shops render using linux apps |
| 15:01.51 | Armand | right, time for joint + coffee. :D |
| 15:02.04 | goibhniu | yeah .. HPC is all linux afaik |
| 15:02.31 | clive-h | aye |
| 15:02.53 | goibhniu | if blender just gets a little more developed for editing it will be a killer |
| 15:03.07 | goibhniu | cinelerra will never be cross-platform |
| 15:03.49 | goibhniu | there's a lot of talk about abstracting some of the stuff out of cinelerra to use it with blender at the moment |
| 15:04.38 | clive-h | wiki suggests in fact Apple still do Linux shake |
| 15:04.59 | goibhniu | yeah ... I got the price off their site |
| 15:05.43 | goibhniu | ah .. so it does the 3d stuff too |
| 15:05.57 | goibhniu | looks a little like the blender NLE |
| 15:06.29 | goibhniu | lol .. you can script shake with perl! |
| 15:06.42 | goibhniu | that's sick |
| 15:06.45 | clive-h | It's expensive but if you're creating a film it's cheap |
| 15:07.09 | goibhniu | depends on whether you've a budget or not |
| 15:07.37 | clive-h | one off cost |
| 15:07.53 | goibhniu | it's interesting though ... I didn't know it ran on linux at all |
| 15:08.16 | clive-h | If you're in soho, heart of the UK media industry, 5k isn't gonna be a peob |
| 15:08.22 | clive-h | prob |
| 15:09.03 | goibhniu | sure ... but it's not free so it's still crap :D |
| 15:09.28 | clive-h | well maybe |
| 15:09.58 | goibhniu | even if they release it under some silly apple licence |
| 15:10.27 | clive-h | i think that's quite unlikely |
| 15:10.44 | goibhniu | it's quite an ugly looking screenshot they have |
| 15:11.23 | clive-h | I can't see them wanting to make that free |
| 15:11.39 | clive-h | it's a cash cow |
| 15:12.21 | goibhniu | did you see there's a new blender movie on the way? |
| 15:12.31 | goibhniu | it's gonna have fluffy cute things this time |
| 15:13.06 | tripitaka | did someone here say they were using tripwire enterprise? |
| 15:13.14 | goibhniu | morsing: I think |
| 15:13.26 | goibhniu | seriously |
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| 17:08.28 | morsing | trousers! |
| 17:08.37 | morsing | trousers: Quick pint after work Friday? |
| 17:24.00 | jcookeman | morsing: what about my pint! |
| 17:37.33 | Armand | anyone trying the Fedora 8 test? |
| 17:39.56 | clive-h | Not yet |
| 17:40.41 | Armand | I'm DLing the Live CD now. |
| 17:40.48 | clive-h | The test releases tend to be slow cos they have lots of debugging built in |
| 17:41.55 | Armand | I'll give anything a go on this machine. |
| 17:42.02 | Armand | it's my test bunneh. :D |
| 17:42.07 | clive-h | heh |
| 17:42.46 | Armand | all geeks should have at least 1 machine for test installs and such. |
| 17:43.05 | clive-h | I have several |
| 17:43.19 | Armand | likewise. :) |
| 17:43.56 | Armand | only 1 out of 7 has a permanent install on it. |
| 17:44.19 | clive-h | I've two test boxes as such |
| 17:44.36 | Armand | but thats more to do with my random living situation.. |
| 17:45.20 | Armand | if I had everything sorted, I would have around 16 PC's running. |
| 17:45.36 | clive-h | the main laptop and the main desktop have FC7 |
| 17:45.47 | clive-h | and Vista and XP respectively |
| 17:46.04 | Armand | Vista!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES! |
| 17:46.49 | Armand | what you running that on, quad core 2.5GHz with 4GB RAM?? :P |
| 17:47.34 | Armand | Vista, Microsofts version of Marmite. :P |
| 17:47.39 | clive-h | 1Gb dual core actually |
| 17:47.44 | jcookeman | exactly |
| 17:47.48 | Armand | close then. :) |
| 17:48.12 | Armand | I'm still running XP MCE2005 on a 2GHz AthlonXP with 1GB RAM. |
| 17:48.22 | clive-h | and I do actually need to stay current with MS even if only to tick boxes at interviews |
| 17:48.31 | Armand | likewise.. >_< |
| 17:48.35 | clive-h | I'm a unix sys admin |
| 17:48.47 | Armand | but I'm NOT contaminating my rigs with Vista. |
| 17:49.04 | Armand | I'll stick to my DLed version of MCE. :) |
| 17:49.22 | Armand|BRB | coffee time. |
| 17:49.43 | clive-h | Vista came with this laptop |
| 17:54.30 | clive-h | errr |
| 17:55.15 | clive-h | Who must know the enemy , must go into the enemy's land as Turgenev said# |
| 18:04.51 | jcookeman | clive-h: tochno! |
| 18:05.28 | clive-h | ? |
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| 18:07.32 | jcookeman | exactly |
| 18:07.42 | z00dax | sup |
| 18:07.46 | jcookeman | tochno is Russian for "exactly" |
| 18:09.15 | z00dax | i didnt realise it was a russian takeover |
| 18:09.35 | z00dax | although the russian girl who lives down the road is quite hot |
| 18:09.45 | z00dax | I bet she uses freebsd |
| 18:09.51 | z00dax | all the pretty ones do :( |
| 18:10.13 | jcookeman | Russian takeover? |
| 18:10.13 | clive-h | lol |
| 18:10.46 | clive-h | all the geek girls use FreeBSD |
| 18:10.47 | jcookeman | Russian girls taste like chicken |
| 18:10.51 | z00dax | btw, guys there are some Sun Netra T105's going through the mix, and being donated to the project. |
| 18:11.22 | z00dax | and there might be a few going spare, if anyone is interested |
| 18:11.31 | z00dax | jcookeman: yes, but chicken++ |
| 18:11.39 | jcookeman | oh yeah ;) |
| 18:11.57 | clive-h | Hmm i wouldn't mind a t105 |
| 18:12.23 | clive-h | they're fairly funky boxes |
| 18:12.27 | z00dax | although i have a feeling that this one is going to be more of a Brisket Steak, medium to well |
| 18:16.50 | z00dax | this one => russian girl down the road |
| 18:17.20 | clive-h | heh |
| 18:17.39 | jcookeman | z00dax I need to come to your pad mate |
| 18:18.02 | clive-h | Does she have any single friends? |
| 18:19.13 | z00dax | clive-h: they are 3 of them there, the other two are Greek. |
| 18:20.10 | clive-h | i don't have problems with greeks |
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| 18:41.01 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 18:41.03 | morsing | Armand! |
| 18:41.07 | catalyst | ello :) |
| 18:41.16 | morsing | trousers! |
| 18:41.19 | morsing | catalyst: You back! |
| 18:42.34 | catalyst | no no, I'm front |
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| 18:45.18 | morsing | mylesbraithwaite! |
| 18:45.24 | morsing | catalyst: Sounds nice?! |
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| 18:47.14 | morsing | master goltor! |
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| 18:53.28 | morsing | mylesbraithwaite! |
| 18:58.54 | Armand | morsing. :) |
| 18:59.13 | Armand | was ^ |
| 19:02.56 | morsing | Armand: Beer? |
| 19:03.04 | Armand | yes please. :) |
| 19:03.35 | antiphase | beer++ |
| 19:03.50 | Armand | don't be lame.. |
| 19:03.53 | Armand | beer+++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 19:03.55 | Armand | better. :D |
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| 19:35.31 | Armand | erm, wtf? |
| 19:35.44 | Armand | game just kicked me out of KDE. @_@ |
| 19:36.10 | antiphase | The first rule of The Game is that you don't talk about The Game |
| 20:37.15 | morsing | It's gone quiet... |
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| 20:39.41 | morsing | Avnit! |
| 20:39.45 | hali | it's. oh. so quiet it'a oh. so still you're all alone and so peaceful until... |
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| 20:41.48 | morsing | londo: |
| 20:43.38 | boudiccas | ey up! hali has gone all poetical on us! |
| 20:43.47 | morsing | Has he? |
| 20:44.00 | boudiccas | yes, didn't you notice it? |
| 20:44.05 | morsing | Nope |
| 20:44.10 | hali | boudiccas: just quoting bjork :-) |
| 20:44.14 | boudiccas | ah, that might explain it :)))) |
| 20:44.16 | hali | i'm on morsings bad-boy list |
| 20:44.16 | morsing | What's he doing? |
| 20:44.26 | boudiccas | :) |
| 20:44.26 | morsing | boudiccas: Possibly :D |
| 20:44.46 | morsing | boudiccas: Come on - tell me what's hapening :D |
| 20:44.47 | hali | i think i may have said something bad about aix |
| 20:45.10 | boudiccas | morsing; <hali> it's. oh. so quiet it'a oh. so still you're all alone and so peaceful until.. |
| 20:45.17 | morsing | Nice... |
| 20:45.40 | hali | and the next line of the lyrics is of course... "fall in love!" |
| 20:45.43 | hali | good song actually |
| 20:46.36 | boudiccas | my bot has gone walkies! |
| 20:46.41 | morsing | Huh? |
| 20:46.52 | boudiccas | huh huh? |
| 20:46.58 | boudiccas | que morsing ? |
| 20:47.12 | morsing | 25.6 degrees in my bedroom |
| 20:47.21 | morsing | boudiccas: your bot what~? |
| 20:47.28 | hali | 37.5C in my pants |
| 20:47.34 | boudiccas | gone walkies! gone awol! |
| 20:47.47 | morsing | Yes but who's your bot? |
| 20:48.06 | hali | i'm quite bot like |
| 20:48.12 | boudiccas | my eggdrop bot over on undernet and known as 'iceni' |
| 20:49.26 | hali | undernet, that was a long time ago |
| 20:49.31 | morsing | Nice |
| 20:49.35 | hali | i'm on quakenet though, that is quite lame |
| 20:49.45 | morsing | boudiccas: How's the job hunting btw? |
| 20:52.53 | morsing | How long should an IBM T40 run on the battery? |
| 20:53.35 | hali | i could answer "about 2.5hours" but morsing wouldn't even see that |
| 21:01.01 | boudiccas | morsing; still continuing thank you |
| 21:07.42 | hali | im tyring to get approval for a junior linux desktop support person atm |
| 21:07.58 | hali | perhaps that would be something you'd be interested in |
| 21:08.37 | hali | helping developers configure cups and stuff |
| 21:12.28 | boudiccas | hali; whereabouts please? |
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| 21:12.42 | hali | boudiccas: the city, about 5 mins from liverpool st |
| 21:13.02 | boudiccas | hmm, a fair commute everyday up from kent that would be |
| 21:13.18 | hali | 15 mins walk from blackfriars |
| 21:13.22 | boudiccas | would it involve shift work |
| 21:13.30 | hali | no, i hope not |
| 21:14.03 | boudiccas | or on-call? |
| 21:14.04 | hali | we have shift work for one team but i want a dedicated person to help on the linux side... without doing shifts or anything like that |
| 21:14.11 | hali | no on-call ... unless you want to |
| 21:14.33 | hali | there is on-call for some basic stuff but we have enough people on that already |
| 21:15.12 | boudiccas | definetly don't want on-call. it would be bloody murder being called out and just hoping that there is a train up to the smoke |
| 21:15.20 | hali | fairly flexible work hours... 8.30-9.30 until 5.30-6.30 .. 8 hours in that sort of |
| 21:15.39 | boudiccas | crunch time .... |
| 21:15.44 | hali | or if we are on 7h 45min now |
| 21:16.00 | boudiccas | whats the salary? and what qualifications are needed? |
| 21:16.06 | hali | i usually space out for an hour or so every day |
| 21:16.51 | hali | not sure yet... qualifications is simply someone who is dedicated and willing to learn... someone who knows about linux desktop stuff and some basic server stuff (restarting services etc) ... |
| 21:17.08 | boudiccas | what distros? |
| 21:18.03 | hali | redhat/fedora |
| 21:18.06 | hali | centos |
| 21:18.15 | hali | rpm distros basically |
| 21:18.19 | boudiccas | i've mainly used redhat based distros [centos, whitebox, fedora] with a tiny bit of mandrake |
| 21:18.35 | hali | thats what we need |
| 21:19.44 | boudiccas | but i have no network expereince. i've not even networked boxes here at home |
| 21:20.14 | hali | learning how to setup /etc/sysconfig/network-script files is easy |
| 21:20.39 | boudiccas | i've tended to use gui's for most stuff |
| 21:20.45 | hali | some windows sutff involved sometimes... we use linux for network shares etc... so they may have questions about that |
| 21:20.58 | boudiccas | and now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going to bed :) night all |
| 21:21.11 | hali | ok |
| 21:21.14 | Armand | gnites. :) |
| 21:21.40 | hali | nite |
| 21:34.15 | Armand | I'm outta here. |
| 21:34.19 | Armand | laters all. :) |
| 21:45.04 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.05 | gregj | lol |
| 21:47.43 | hali | mozart again |
| 21:49.35 | gregj | there was also Polish author who wrote poem entitled 'kiss me arse' |
| 21:49.52 | gregj | but I don't think it was ever translated to English |
| 21:50.20 | gregj | funny, co sthat guy was fameous for his childrens books and poems |
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