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00:02.00clive-hSorry to hear about the foot z00dax, what happened?
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00:17.29z00daxclive-h: managed to sprain it out running this morning
00:17.32z00daxlast morning really
00:18.09clive-hahhh
00:18.20clive-hHope it gets better soon then
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00:40.46z00daxmylesbraithwaite:
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04:18.19clive-hMorning
04:44.00goibhniueyup
04:44.56clive-hlo
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05:43.15mumperWotcher! :)
06:27.00clive-hmorning
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07:51.29bilarhgod, there's so much traffic
07:51.33bilarhi might have to start taking the train
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08:30.10jcookemanhali: ping?
08:33.22jcookemanI had a rac node die last night
08:33.38jcookeman22:26:04 s_local@ttraflonrh21 kernel:racgimon[17034]: segfault at 0000000000000010 rip 0000003785707b7c rsp 0000007fbfffb408 error 4
08:34.52haliin the csr log?
08:34.57bilarhok, i'm *not* flying to nepal: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6979292.stm
08:35.08jcookemanmessage log
08:37.01halijcookeman: what actually happend with the node? froze? reboot? kernel panic? or just oracle died?
08:37.14jcookemanit was sloooowwwwww
08:37.17jcookemancould ping
08:37.43jcookemaneverything was listening but couldn't connect it was so slow
08:37.52jcookemanfinally rebooted it
08:37.55halido you have sar on it?
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08:38.00jcookemanbut my applications where not happy
08:38.07jcookemanI dont know
08:38.13haliyou could have a look in sar if there was excessive paging or something like that
08:38.20jcookemanneed to look at tuning retry/timeout in jdbc connection
08:38.28jcookemanhow do I do that
08:38.35hali"sar"
08:38.49jcookemanI'm not an Oracle guy :(
08:38.53jcookemanseems I'm gonna have to become one
08:38.56halisar is a linux tool
08:39.04halis/linux/*nix/
08:39.12haliit spits out nice reports to /var/log/sa
08:49.20jcookemanthanks hali
08:49.21jcookemanthis is good
08:52.13jcookemanhali: any way I can look at user stats on sar?
08:56.25halijcookeman: sar doesn't support per user accounting
08:56.25halijcookeman: you need acctd for that
08:58.32jcookemanyeah, we have that...taking a loot now
08:58.34jcookemanlook
08:58.43jcookemanjust thinking my dba did something and he's acting oblivious
08:59.59haliyou know what they say
09:00.02halinever trust a klingon
09:00.12halidba's are the klingons of the office
09:02.41niv_one_threedoes any gentoo user face issues with current stable gtk+ ?
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09:06.27jcookemanhali: any advice on tuning JDBC connection so it drops extremely slow connections?
09:07.59halijcookeman: you could set a low timeout for failover
09:08.09halijcookeman: but that may botch other things
09:11.16jcookemanyeah
09:12.28halii've seen people lowering the sessions parameter if system load goes over X ... from a little cron job or something
09:12.39haliso it starts refusing more connections
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09:18.56jcookemanhali: does oracle user ever execute sar?
09:19.09jcookemanin my pacct logs I can see oracle user executed sar
09:19.54halijcookeman: oracle enterprise manager does
09:20.08halithat weird webgui
09:20.12halidbconsole
09:20.55jcookemanis it some sort of user action?
09:22.51halino dbconsole forks lots of stuff... it has a bunch of perl scripts to monitor stuff ... and uses unix userland tools as well
09:22.55halito collect stats
09:23.17jcookemanbut why would that be running?
09:25.28halito collect statistics?
09:25.39haliso the dba can login and look at stuf in a pretty gui
09:25.53halias oracle run; emctl stop dbconsole ... to get rid of it
09:25.58jcookemanisnt there cli tools for that?
09:25.59halii usually ban it on prod systems
09:26.07halibash and sqlplus ... everything they really need
09:26.08hali;)
09:26.19jcookemanyeah I agree
09:26.29halithe only good thing with dbconsole is that it keeps some historical data of os level stats
09:26.55jcookemancant this dbconsole connectfrom another workstation?
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09:28.01halionly if you run grid manager
09:28.13halior it depends what you are asking
09:28.21jcookemanok got it
09:28.21halianyone can connect to the webgui and monitor stuff yes
09:28.32halibut the dbconsole can only monitor the local box
09:28.40haliunless you use grid manager
09:28.47haliwhich is an addon product
09:48.28jcookemanhali: thanks
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10:21.47bilarhdid anyone catch the chris moyles bbc phone system prank call this morning?
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10:34.29jcookemanhali: is the gui required for patching, upgrades and db creations?
10:43.07jcookemanbilarh: didn't catch it. is it archived anywhere?
10:45.24bilarhwww.bbc.co.uk/radio1 i think
10:45.38bilarhanyway, it was legendary and had me in stitches in traffic :)
10:54.39halijcookeman: no
10:55.03halijcookeman: the gui is never required for *anything* ... if the dba says it's required bollocks
10:55.13halijcookeman: 100% of all dba tasks can be done from bash/sqlplus
10:55.46halijcookeman: running dbca (standalone java gui app) and other apps for db creation is quite useful.. but not required
10:56.49jcookemanhali: thanks
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11:20.25niv_one_threehow to use sed? ls -la |sed "/344/n" |less
11:20.50niv_one_threeI want to see only the file with the name 344 - ths line I wrote is wrong
11:21.17clive-his there a file called '344'?
11:21.19jcookemanls -la | grep 344
11:21.26clive-hls -la 344
11:21.57clive-hno need for a pipe
11:22.24wethrinmmm....pipes
11:22.25niv_one_threeI wan to learn to use sed, file is 344.ps
11:22.25jcookemanunless the name contains 344
11:22.35wethrinls *344*
11:22.40clive-hindeed
11:23.15niv_one_three<PROTECTED>
11:23.36niv_one_threetoturials..
11:23.49clive-htutorials
11:23.53antiphaseUsing sed is clearly too complicated when `ls 344*` will do fine
11:24.25antiphaseTry rewriting ls in Brainfuck if you have time to waste ;)
11:24.26wethrinNever use awk where sed will do. Never use sed where grep will do.
11:24.32niv_one_threeoh, then I will have to learn sed alone
11:24.48wethrinNo. Learn grep first.
11:24.52wethrinMaster regular expressions.
11:24.58wethrinOr at least get a feel for the basics.
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11:26.59dick_turpinwethrin: I'll pick up a long wait while I'm about it :-)
11:28.12wethringood plan
11:29.19dick_turpinwethrin: You can pick up some Tartan paint and a glass hammer
11:34.11antiphaseAnd a left-handed screwdriver
11:36.32wethrinhttp://www.david.zen.co.uk/toolstore/Online_Catalogue_Tools_4.html
11:45.29z00daxok, so will the real John standup please ?
11:51.43wethrinWhich John?
11:52.37boudiccasJohn Doe
11:53.41dick_turpinLong John Silver
11:54.37boudiccashe's been devalued, he's now Copper
11:56.12dick_turpin"John, I'm only dancing, she turns me on"
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12:17.31z00daxwethrin: John Levin ?
12:21.07wethrinIs he here?
12:25.18dick_turpinwethrin: No he's there
12:26.24wethrinoh
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12:31.34wethrinfiend! Now I want a crunchie :(
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12:50.33z00daxquit
12:50.46z00daxi cant stand people tempting me with bars
12:55.18Leedshmm... x.org 7.3 released today
12:55.46z00daxhmm... there go all those gentoo people
12:56.31z00daxLeeds: question, are ps3 games sold in hk, the same region/format as the ones in JP ?
12:57.37Leedsdunno about ps3 to be honest
12:58.01Leedsdunno if I even know anyone who's got one :-)
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13:04.17gregjhttp://zlew.org/ddts.wav
13:07.39wethrinI have coffee. And I had a chunky KitKat (oo-err)
13:08.00dick_turpinwethrin: Snap! I win :-)
13:08.07wethrinWhat do you win?
13:08.19dick_turpinwethrin: A long wait?
13:08.32wethrinITYM A long weight
13:09.17dick_turpinjcookeman: Chocolate chip, yum
13:10.06dick_turpinashamed
13:12.08jcookemanIt's ok Dick. you can rub my bald head.
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13:12.57dick_turpinjcookeman: snap! wadda I win?
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13:13.47dick_turpinAnneC: Are you staying or going?
13:14.35AnneCI'm staying, but my IRC client wants to go :-|
13:14.42wethrinUse irssi!
13:15.14AnneCI'll get down to setting up a screen session at some point, I will!
13:15.20dick_turpinAnneC: I've just started a game of snap, could be fun I suppose
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13:15.48jcookemanAnneC: yes...it takes a major effort!
13:16.41AnneCMy server is at home sitting in a corner, disused...
13:23.51gregjhttp://www.dontdownloadthissong.com/
13:23.55gregjfull version
13:25.27dick_turpinHere's a thought to ponder on. Why have a spam quarantine folder if you have to look through the folder to see if the mails in there are spam or not?
13:26.45wethrinAnneC: Does it work?
13:45.39jcookemanDick. I agree. We should have harsh punishment for spammers. Like, shoot them in the f*cking head. Maybe then I can sh1tcan sophos.
13:47.06dick_turpinjcookeman: Ooh um, I'm a Sophos reseller
13:47.45jcookemandick_turpin:They can still track malware
13:49.34dick_turpinjcookeman: I don't get too upset by junk mail, actually I do have a little read now and again some are really funny, I'm getting a large amount of penis related ones lately
13:51.05jcookemandick_turpin: me too
13:51.08jcookemanthinking maybe I'll try one
13:51.40dick_turpinjcookeman: I want to meet this girl who's mouth is too small
13:51.56jcookemanthat's a good solution!
13:53.10dick_turpinjcookeman: You've gotta be fair, it took someone a while to type them up the least you could do is read one or two before binning them ;-)
13:54.01jcookemandick_turpin: gotta be honest. I actually tried them. I have a 9" penis now.
13:55.02dick_turpinjcookeman: Ha! mines so big I cant get excited too often, I cant take the blood loss :-P
13:57.24jcookemandick_turpin: oh yeah! well they call me tripod
13:59.37dick_turpinjcookeman: As I say I don't get all that upset about spam/junk mail but spyware and malware now those (Cough) individuals need burning at the stake!
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15:42.22tripitakaanyone going to Dirty Dicks?
15:42.44tripitaka(note the lack of apostrophe)
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16:08.45jcookemantripitaka: that doesnt sound very appealing
16:09.17tripitakajcookeman: no, but it saves on cocktail spoons
16:09.28tripitakaanyway, /me --> pub
16:10.57boudiccasadvance notice -- Kent lug are having a social meeting in the 'British Queen, just off Square Hill Road in Maidstone on Friday 14 september at 1930 onwards. all welcome
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20:04.44wethrin~seen cpufreak
20:04.46ibotcpufreak is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 88 messages. Is idling for 1d 10h 4m 27s, last said: 'http://badger.ing.me.uk/jobspec_jnr.html'.
20:06.37boudiccaswethrin seems to be in a pre-annoucement phase
20:06.43wethrinyarr
20:06.45boudiccas:)
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21:57.23*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Next Gllug meeting - 22nd September, Westminster University. Slots for lightning talks available | Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
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22:10.22wethrinRoight. Who's going to be coming to the pub tomorrow?
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23:07.11rhoweibot change eur 117 to gbp
23:07.18rhoweibot convert eur 117 to gbp
23:07.27rhoweibot change 117 eur  to gbp
23:07.55wethrinrhowe!
23:08.03wethrinibot's broken
23:08.10wethrinrhowe: pub tomorrow?
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