| 04:47.45 | morsing | 'morning |
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| 08:16.53 | phearless | 'morsing |
| 08:17.07 | phearless | s/s/n/ |
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| 09:21.31 | phearless | jamkit is a communist company ? |
| 10:39.52 | wethrin | people! |
| 10:54.31 | wethrin | hi george |
| 10:55.07 | gw280 | hi |
| 10:55.15 | gw280 | Cope's on facebook |
| 10:55.19 | gw280 | with HAIR! |
| 11:07.12 | wethrin | Yeah |
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| 11:13.18 | gw280 | wethrin: lol |
| 11:13.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You swine! you fixed your machine and broke mine! |
| 11:14.08 | goibhniu | it wasn't me |
| 11:14.45 | goibhniu | I've got "switch" working now ... much better than the ring :D |
| 11:14.59 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So its a Windows box, thats no reason to put a hex on it |
| 11:15.45 | goibhniu | oh ... I guess kernel parameters aren't going to help then |
| 11:16.03 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: As always there's a funny story relating to it, are you sitting comfortably? |
| 11:17.37 | goibhniu | ok ... go for it |
| 11:18.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I knew the app causing the problem but couldn't uninstall the normal way (Add and Remove) "I know boot into safe mode" |
| 11:19.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Safe mode dont like my video7 19" monitor does it! |
| 11:20.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: "I know boot off a floppy" Nope floppy drive knackerd floppy wont go in |
| 11:21.26 | goibhniu | yay! |
| 11:21.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: 57 reboots later brought it to work and fixed it inside of 20 minutes, God I hate computers |
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| 11:32.03 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm preparing for the ArchLinux upgrade to "Don't Panic" so I'm hoping I'll get the compiz-fusion aeroplane animation I told you about http://smspillaz.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/airplane1.png |
| 11:32.47 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: an upgrade ... exciting! |
| 11:32.57 | goibhniu | I still haven't got an arch system of my own :( |
| 11:35.00 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Don't laugh but I may already have it, its so seamless the only way you know is at boot up |
| 11:35.54 | goibhniu | nice! .. yeah ... I thought it was a rolling system like that |
| 11:37.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its why I love it. A guy on the forum helped me fix the slow animations. He used the usual Arch method, called me a twat :-) |
| 11:39.09 | goibhniu | :D |
| 11:39.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I love friendly communities ;-) |
| 11:40.28 | goibhniu | only your true friends can insult you to your face |
| 11:41.05 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thank goodness I ain't got none then |
| 11:41.44 | goibhniu | I'll have to insult you on your facebook then |
| 11:43.41 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah I'm on the 'Eating endangered animals' and 'Pron' networks |
| 11:49.04 | gw280 | wooooooooooooooooooow |
| 11:49.09 | gw280 | this machine just compiled libs in 6 minutes |
| 11:49.12 | gw280 | kdelibs |
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| 11:59.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You lying toerag! 8 friends? you told me you was Billy-No-Mates its the only reason I talk to you I felt sorry :-P |
| 12:00.39 | goibhniu | it's ok ... marvin suicide is my only real friend ... and I don't think he even exists! |
| 12:01.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm busy studying your profile, there must be a buck for me to make somehow? |
| 12:04.26 | goibhniu | yes indeed ... all my personal details are there ... you could probably get my job seekers allowance |
| 12:05.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You having a laugh? more like an Old Age Pension :-P I've sent you a prezzie |
| 12:10.51 | goibhniu | gee .. thanks a million ... a ham sandwich |
| 12:11.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I couldn't find a pig ;-) |
| 13:03.45 | AnneC | so guys, tonight, we're spending the whole evening at the beer festival, right? |
| 13:04.05 | antiphase | It would be remiss not to |
| 13:04.20 | antiphase | Given that it's going to cost you the best part of £10 before you get to the beer |
| 13:04.31 | AnneC | ahh, I don't like beer ;-) |
| 13:05.01 | antiphase | Philistine! |
| 13:05.28 | AnneC | but earls court is a good location for me to drive there, so I still intend to drive there anyway... I hope water's free :-D |
| 13:05.51 | antiphase | There are pies and pasties |
| 13:05.58 | AnneC | I may convert if I ever find a tasty not bitter beer |
| 13:06.12 | AnneC | pies I can drink with a straw? |
| 13:06.19 | antiphase | Stout or mild isn't bitter |
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| 13:13.35 | z00dax | oooh... gllug on facebook now has 16 members! |
| 13:14.37 | antiphase | 17 ;) |
| 13:15.21 | z00dax | antiphase: spoilsport |
| 13:18.56 | dick_turpin | I only joined cos I cant get me mugshot on gllug IRC users :-P |
| 13:19.07 | z00dax | doh! |
| 13:20.02 | dick_turpin | z00dax: was that for me? |
| 13:20.10 | z00dax | ja |
| 13:20.46 | dick_turpin | z00dax: You must work for our customer services then? How long ago was it? Hm 6 months? |
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| 13:22.55 | z00dax | dick_turpin: really ? |
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| 13:25.53 | dick_turpin | z00dax: The minions here are forever saying "We'll sort that" six months later..... |
| 13:26.58 | z00dax | dick_turpin: any minute now |
| 13:27.40 | dick_turpin | z00dax: :-) |
| 13:29.23 | boudiccas | sausages |
| 13:29.36 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Beans |
| 13:29.47 | boudiccas | loverly grub! |
| 13:37.41 | niv_one_three | does anyone know of a linux program to work with a gps? |
| 13:37.58 | niv_one_three | not just show a map but give directions? |
| 13:39.07 | boudiccas | not i said the pig |
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| 16:51.55 | *** topic/#gllug is Speakers wanted for next Gllug meeting, to be held provisionally on 22nd September - any volunteers? | Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 17:35.04 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/tickets.pdf |
| 17:39.17 | clive-h | heh |
| 17:51.53 | z00dax | rhowe: are you going to be there ? |
| 17:51.55 | z00dax | clive-h: ? |
| 17:52.10 | rhowe | z00dax: nAH |
| 17:52.16 | rhowe | z00dax: I find it's not worth it |
| 17:52.24 | rhowe | z00dax: Expensive and too crowded |
| 17:52.35 | clive-h | I'm not |
| 17:52.38 | rhowe | z00dax: Going shoe shopping instead, of all things |
| 17:52.42 | rhowe | clive-h: Are you collecting an alpha? |
| 17:52.46 | clive-h | I must |
| 17:52.56 | rhowe | Tonight? |
| 17:53.06 | clive-h | not tonight |
| 17:53.14 | rhowe | Then not until at least Monday then |
| 17:53.18 | clive-h | I have a job interview tomorrow |
| 17:53.30 | clive-h | Need to prepare for that |
| 17:53.58 | rhowe | And it doesn't require knowledge of the DEC PWS500AU? :) |
| 17:54.50 | clive-h | alas no |
| 17:55.09 | clive-h | It just needs me linux/solaris |
| 17:56.22 | z00dax | i am going to be driving to clapham on this weekend, i can collect it for you clive-h - rhowe i take it that the machine is at your place ? |
| 17:56.37 | z00dax | clive-h: might give us a reason to finally meet up as well, considering we live about 500 yards away |
| 17:56.41 | z00dax | right, off now |
| 17:56.51 | clive-h | z00dax: that would be cool |
| 17:57.20 | rhowe | z00dax: Yes, but I'm off walking this weekend |
| 17:57.23 | clive-h | except I think rhowe is away on the beer wandering this weekend |
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| 19:49.55 | clive-h | Hmm Morton is taking a hard line stance at LinuxWorld |
| 19:50.27 | clive-h | No ZFS,Dtrace,Zones in the kernel |
| 19:52.58 | clive-h | That's really worrying |
| 19:56.46 | goibhniu | why? |
| 19:57.10 | goibhniu | we've got system tap instead of dtrace ... don't know about the rest |
| 20:00.36 | clive-h | system tap isn't as powerful as dtrace |
| 20:00.53 | clive-h | zfs is in the FUSE stuff |
| 20:01.06 | clive-h | and I don't care about zones |
| 20:01.11 | antiphase | F for Flakey |
| 20:01.42 | clive-h | I wouldn't touch ZFS in production |
| 20:01.53 | goibhniu | I thought system tap was supposed to be better? |
| 20:02.30 | clive-h | I just don't think that's a good view for a keynote speaker to be espousing |
| 20:02.54 | clive-h | He said he wished opensolaris didn't exist |
| 20:03.18 | goibhniu | you mean about not supporting non-gpl code in the kernel ... or is it just moaning? |
| 20:04.10 | clive-h | We support the nvidia crap which is non-GPL |
| 20:05.07 | goibhniu | but they don't? |
| 20:05.19 | goibhniu | they don't accept bug reports from people with tainted kernels |
| 20:05.51 | clive-h | it's less than ideal |
| 20:06.06 | goibhniu | sure ... but it's impossible to support |
| 20:06.21 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 20:06.37 | clive-h | caveat emptor |
| 20:07.35 | clive-h | I think perhaps my point is linux should be building bridges to opensolaris |
| 20:08.16 | goibhniu | and they've openly invited to write modules for free for anyone who gives them the spec |
| 20:08.21 | goibhniu | seems pretty generous to me |
| 20:08.30 | goibhniu | the opensolaris licence isn't compatible |
| 20:08.42 | clive-h | yes I know that |
| 20:08.51 | goibhniu | it was a little silly to release it with such a licence |
| 20:09.20 | antiphase | I think everyone should just use Solaris 10 and not muck about with the unstable community-mangled rubbish |
| 20:10.05 | clive-h | I'd not deploy anything other than 10 |
| 20:11.08 | clive-h | The whole licensing thing is a nightmare |
| 20:12.40 | clive-h | And the GPL v3 isn't helping |
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| 21:31.29 | goibhniu | isn't helping who/what? |
| 21:33.09 | clive-h | linux or solaris |
| 21:33.26 | goibhniu | opensolaris should go for gpl v3 |
| 21:33.40 | goibhniu | the cddl isn't helping |
| 21:33.41 | clive-h | they will |
| 21:34.21 | clive-h | it won't help them converge though with linux |
| 21:34.23 | goibhniu | that's better than a weakening of licencing terms for linux IMO |
| 21:34.41 | goibhniu | why would they want to converge? |
| 21:35.40 | clive-h | v3 still means ZFS and stuff isn't possible for linux |
| 21:36.25 | goibhniu | why's that so important? |
| 21:37.15 | clive-h | Because it's gonna isolate us |
| 21:37.28 | goibhniu | if zfs devs or their employers don't want to release their code under gpl ... that's their decision |
| 21:37.48 | clive-h | The other open source oses have zfs and dtrace |
| 21:37.59 | goibhniu | good luck to them |
| 21:39.00 | clive-h | OTOH linux has the bigger code base |
| 21:39.28 | clive-h | and more commercial apps |
| 21:39.44 | clive-h | than any other unix |
| 21:40.02 | goibhniu | it's just a file system |
| 21:40.36 | clive-h | It's really just the kernel |
| 21:41.17 | clive-h | ZFS looks funky |
| 21:41.20 | goibhniu | and I'm glad they're sticking to their principles |
| 21:42.26 | goibhniu | is it a network fs? |
| 21:43.14 | clive-h | no |
| 21:43.55 | goibhniu | object oriented? |
| 21:44.35 | clive-h | no just quite novel |
| 21:45.45 | clive-h | There's Fuse::zfs |
| 21:46.14 | clive-h | But userspace scales badly |
| 21:47.22 | goibhniu | I dunno ... a glance at wikipedia doesn't excite me |
| 21:47.31 | goibhniu | more, better, faster, yawn |
| 21:48.29 | clive-h | I'll stick with ext3 |
| 21:49.26 | clive-h | AIX isn't open sauce in the least |
| 21:52.36 | antiphase | Use ext2 and truss then |
| 21:52.56 | clive-h | ext3 pref |
| 21:53.28 | antiphase | Of course, ZFS is representative of progress though |
| 21:53.48 | antiphase | We'd still be programming with switches and lamps if the Luddites had their way ;) |
| 21:54.29 | clive-h | TRAC |
| 21:55.21 | clive-h | Or FORTRAn WITH SENSESWITCH |
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| 22:28.44 | z00_airport | Hello |
| 22:32.56 | Leeds | for what it's worth, dtrace rocks in a most excellent way |
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| 22:33.35 | Leeds | zfs, meh... zones is quite cool, but there are various things for Linux which give similar features, at least to some extent |
| 22:34.18 | Leeds | 'Kevlar' as it was originally called, until someone pointed out that using another company's trademark for a project name was against Sun policy |
| 22:35.41 | z00_airport | Dtrace is quite cool, specially if you are building stuff or a sysadmin. Systemtap does a lot of similar stuff on linux though, but not quite 100 percent as cool |
| 22:35.56 | z00_airport | Leeds you misses out on the beer fest |
| 22:36.29 | Leeds | for kernel dev, dtrace is amazingly useful - never used it in userspace |
| 22:37.12 | z00_mobile | Missed even |
| 22:38.55 | z00_mobile | Btw, facebook on a mobile phone is quite nifty |
| 22:40.24 | Leeds | it is - but for some reason, it doesn't work with Blazer on my network... it used to work, then stopped, almost like it was being blocked... so I have to use opera mini to get to it |
| 22:41.15 | z00_mobile | They have added some wierd javascript stuff recently |
| 22:42.26 | Leeds | on the mobile version? |
| 22:43.08 | z00_mobile | Yah seems so, does not work from my p900 but works fine from the nokia e61 |
| 22:43.24 | Leeds | odd... anyway, I get network timeouts |
| 22:44.06 | z00_mobile | Might not be javascript thopugh, might be something else |
| 22:46.08 | z00_mobile | Right sleep time! |
| 23:02.00 | rhowe | hm... anyone want a parakeet for the weekend? |
| 23:22.21 | rhowe | <Me> Do you have a sofabed? |
| 23:22.45 | rhowe | <Her> No sofabed, but an IKEA folding thing. I haven't found an optimal guest solution yet. |
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