| 00:27.05 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I'm considering the potential implications of Mimi's request |
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| 06:39.34 | niv_one_three | morning! |
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| 08:56.45 | bilarh_ | hrm... i need some new music |
| 08:57.00 | Ch0Hag | Get me some too. |
| 08:58.47 | AnneC | what kind bilarh_ ? |
| 09:02.06 | bilarh_ | just any |
| 09:02.14 | bilarh_ | i've broke my eminem mp3's now :( |
| 09:02.17 | bilarh_ | they're all scratched and worn out |
| 09:02.35 | bilarh_ | ahem, not that i listen to that eminem crap, of course :-) |
| 09:03.06 | bilarh_ | recently i've been listening to the ukelele orchestra of great britain as well... they're brilliant imo :) |
| 09:03.11 | bilarh_ | i wanna go see their london concert in september |
| 09:04.18 | AnneC | someone else mentioned it in the past weeks, might have a listen |
| 09:04.26 | Ch0Hag | Aaah PHP. Gotta love it. |
| 09:04.30 | Ch0Hag | A fatal error occurred. It has been logged. |
| 09:04.31 | Ch0Hag | File ?, line 0 |
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| 09:04.39 | Ch0Hag | mail:~# wc -l /var/log/apache-ssl/error.log |
| 09:04.39 | Ch0Hag | 0 /var/log/apache-ssl/error.log |
| 09:04.43 | AnneC | at least that's logged |
| 09:05.01 | bilarh_ | really, i listen mostly to oldish rock... i just don't seem to connect with today's music... |
| 09:05.15 | Ch0Hag | That's because today's music is mindless noise. |
| 09:05.34 | bilarh_ | all down hill from here... soon i'll be preaching the virtues of nickelback et al to my grand children who'll look at me all confused |
| 09:06.10 | bilarh_ | probably listening to zn0rk techno rap (yow!) |
| 09:06.26 | Ch0Hag | I tend to prefer hits form the late 1700s. |
| 09:06.30 | bilarh_ | trying to ignore the smell of wee |
| 09:06.40 | bilarh_ | ah, those will really be the days :-D |
| 09:06.57 | bilarh_ | i used to listen quite a bit to classic fm in the car actually |
| 09:07.09 | bilarh_ | i have no idea what i was listening to, but it's quite good music actually |
| 09:07.09 | Ch0Hag | meh classic fm is crap. |
| 09:07.13 | bilarh_ | oi :) |
| 09:07.28 | bilarh_ | i don't know my chopin from my hoi sin sauce |
| 09:07.29 | Ch0Hag | I swear, every time I've turned over to it in the last few years it's been somewhere in the middle fo 10 minutes of adverts. |
| 09:07.55 | bilarh_ | yeah radio ads suck... and the bastids time it as well, so all channels have ads on at the same time |
| 09:08.10 | bilarh_ | apart from like bbc radio 2, but then i'd rather listen to the car finance ads :) |
| 09:08.34 | Ch0Hag | haha |
| 09:15.22 | bilarh_ | annec: what do you listen to then? |
| 09:15.46 | bilarh_ | omg, i think i need a spam filter for gllug or something :-) |
| 09:15.48 | AnneC | well at bit of everything |
| 09:15.51 | bilarh_ | the mailing list i mean |
| 09:16.01 | bilarh_ | obviously here nobody says anything, ever :-) |
| 09:16.35 | bilarh_ | i'm still mourning the death of allofmp3.com |
| 09:17.48 | AnneC | joy div, brian eno, kruder&dorfmeister, ladytron,royksopp,boards of canada, goldfrapp,rammstein |
| 09:18.10 | bilarh_ | ah, the only ones in that list i've even heard about are royksopp and rammstein :) |
| 09:18.24 | bilarh_ | rammstein are excellent, though... well the little i've heard of them, at least |
| 09:18.38 | AnneC | I've been a bit exhaustive here thinking, you might want to check out the ones you don't know about :-) |
| 09:18.39 | bilarh_ | royksopp is the icelandic band, isn't it? |
| 09:18.48 | AnneC | all worth it in their own way |
| 09:19.09 | AnneC | ah, I don't know, bilarh_ , I only listen to their music, don't know much more |
| 09:19.29 | bilarh_ | i listened to royksopp about 4 years ago now, and at the time it didn't really tickle my fancy... maybe i should try again |
| 09:19.33 | AnneC | I know they were doing stuff that wasn't that interesting before getting known with melody am |
| 09:19.47 | bilarh_ | ah ok |
| 09:19.56 | AnneC | well 'the understanding' is good after a few times listening to it |
| 09:20.18 | Ch0Hag | What is wrong with PHP coders that they write such utter tripe? |
| 09:20.19 | AnneC | and very different from melody am, so listen to both if you have the opportunity |
| 09:20.20 | bilarh_ | hmmm... found a 'poor leno' remix :-) |
| 09:20.38 | Ch0Hag | studio@blade100:~$ GET https://mail.kazoo.co.uk/webmail/index-top.php|grep DOCTYPE|wc -l |
| 09:20.41 | Ch0Hag | 2 |
| 09:20.53 | AnneC | well I don't know Ch0Hag, but that's why I'm moving from php... too easy to do bad stuff |
| 09:20.57 | Ch0Hag | I should charge a premium for fixing this junk. |
| 09:21.04 | AnneC | rewrite it? |
| 09:21.11 | Ch0Hag | An entire webmail client? |
| 09:21.13 | bilarh_ | that's all for now unfortunately. Maybe i should install itunes so that i could poke about in the preview albums |
| 09:22.27 | AnneC | better than nothing bilarh_ |
| 09:23.07 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: i think it's the language that lends itself to all sorts of bad practices |
| 09:23.25 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: or maybe some programmers are just crap :-) |
| 09:23.41 | AnneC | it's too easy to learn |
| 09:23.44 | bilarh_ | i had a quick look at php but i can't stand it... it ugly to look at |
| 09:24.06 | bilarh_ | well, the syntax may be easy to learn, but learning to 'program' takes ages no matter what language you use, imo |
| 09:24.17 | AnneC | if you don't have strong programming ethics of some sort, you quickly create code that's hell to maintain |
| 09:24.57 | bilarh_ | i've been programming on and off for about 15 years now, but i still feel like i have lots to learn in structuring problems etc, but if i look at my old code now, it's abysmal, but there's a definite progress over the years |
| 09:25.00 | Ch0Hag | It makes me glad I learned perl first. |
| 09:25.37 | antiphase | PHP is terrible, largely because there is so much terribly bad PHP in the wild |
| 09:25.38 | bilarh_ | perl is the dogs danglies if you're careful with what you do... it's easy to write absolutely shocking code in perl that's appears unreadable even to perl monks :-) |
| 09:25.41 | antiphase | Perl++ |
| 09:26.17 | bilarh_ | i love the OO in perl... it's implemented very nicely, although the syntax could be a bit cleaner possibly... i think 'class' is a keyword of perl 6, though, isn't it? |
| 09:26.42 | Ch0Hag | I just look at people's written and spoken English and imagine that transferred to the computer. |
| 09:27.10 | bilarh_ | that's a bit unfair... some of us are foreign, you know ;-) |
| 09:27.10 | Ch0Hag | The good thing about perl is that it can take code which has been mistreated in that way and execute it. |
| 09:27.19 | Ch0Hag | Unfortunately that's also the bad thing about perl |
| 09:27.19 | AnneC | I think it's too easy in php to write crap that looks neat on the client side - so $manager happy |
| 09:27.56 | Ch0Hag | Well I ignore foreigners' writing, obviously. I just extrapolate that if X% of English people are bad at English, then X% of French people are bad at French. |
| 09:27.57 | bilarh_ | hrm... but then perl ssi ftw imo :-) |
| 09:28.18 | AnneC | with perl there's an elite thing going on that you don't have with php |
| 09:28.24 | Ch0Hag | Mind you - I try and just ignore foreigners, except that there's a good chance now that I might end up married to one. |
| 09:28.25 | AnneC | so no will to improve |
| 09:28.25 | bilarh_ | that last line almost looks like assembler :-) |
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| 09:28.52 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: ouch :( |
| 09:30.01 | bilarh_ | annec: but a language with such a culture will always suck, wont it? i mean, the only way to become good at something is to actually strive to become better |
| 09:30.33 | bilarh_ | i don't mean strive necessarily as in reading books etc, but e.g. writing 'beautiful' code etc |
| 09:32.11 | AnneC | no, I think it motivates people to impress with what they know, they might get this motivation to become better, don't you think? |
| 09:33.16 | AnneC | I mean, that's how I got into Linux - then started learning a lot about it so I wouldn't be the one who knew the least |
| 09:33.38 | bilarh_ | i don't know... maybe it's just me, but i'd rather try to become the best in a group of people that are good, rather than one that wasn't as good (perl vs php)... having said that, i'm probably talking complete bollocks here as i haven't really been 'involved' in any programming community |
| 09:34.12 | bilarh_ | ah, precisely... but if the linux people you were with were worse, you wouldn't be as good now, would you? |
| 09:34.26 | bilarh_ | as in, it would take less knowledge to be at an 'acceptable (to you)' level |
| 09:34.55 | bilarh_ | you can still have a very technically advanced group of people that are welcoming |
| 09:35.14 | bilarh_ | it's more to do with the approach to perceived newbies rather than technical competence |
| 09:35.21 | AnneC | Yes, but then I learnt in France, where people always want to impress with what they know, so I don't think I was surrounded by mediocrity |
| 09:35.22 | bilarh_ | i think |
| 09:35.49 | bilarh_ | no i'm not saying you were, but i mean if you had been, you'd been worse at linux, if you see what i mean :-) |
| 09:36.30 | AnneC | yes, this kind of social system (elitism) is always relative to people around you, I agree |
| 09:36.53 | antiphase | Welcome to humanity |
| 09:36.56 | AnneC | but if you're in the right group, you get the motivation to be better |
| 09:37.08 | bilarh_ | yep, definitely |
| 09:37.15 | AnneC | then it's up to you to be elitist as well or not. |
| 09:37.30 | bilarh_ | but i'm not sure that motivation is down to the level of competence of any individual group |
| 09:37.38 | AnneC | but where I was, when I started people were sniggering because I was a girl so obviously not good |
| 09:37.48 | AnneC | so that gave me the motivation to show them :-) |
| 09:38.03 | AnneC | yep |
| 09:38.29 | bilarh_ | corr, a girl that does linux... obviously just uses gnome and hasn't seen a command prompt, like ever ;-) |
| 09:38.42 | AnneC | I think so for my case bilarh_, my motivation depends of the group where I'm in |
| 09:38.51 | bilarh_ | yeah of course, as does mine |
| 09:39.02 | AnneC | if I'm doing well enough to already have respect, I won't bother learning more |
| 09:39.11 | AnneC | and that's also what happened to me with PHP |
| 09:39.15 | AnneC | been doing that for years |
| 09:39.23 | bilarh_ | yeah definitely, because then you're already the leader of the pack (or far enough up the food chain to survive) |
| 09:39.27 | antiphase | Surely you don't just learn to get respect? |
| 09:39.34 | antiphase | I learn stuff so I can use it |
| 09:39.38 | bilarh_ | i'm sure there's some biological reason :-) |
| 09:40.04 | bilarh_ | antiphase: that, and make snide comments to newbies ;-) |
| 09:40.15 | AnneC | what does it bring you to be able to use that knowledge antiphase ? |
| 09:40.25 | AnneC | get better? |
| 09:40.28 | AnneC | what for? |
| 09:40.28 | antiphase | I can do my job |
| 09:40.50 | AnneC | and why do you want to do your job (well)? |
| 09:40.51 | antiphase | I like solving problems, so tools that enable me to do that are wirth learning to an adequate level to allow me to do that |
| 09:41.24 | antiphase | I'm not driven by what other people think of my mad skillz ;) |
| 09:42.14 | AnneC | yes, but I think there's some motivation in being good at something for people around you |
| 09:42.25 | AnneC | if people look up to you, you'll get more girls ;-) |
| 09:42.30 | bilarh_ | i was just gonan say |
| 09:42.33 | antiphase | I admit it's nice to be able to answer questions for people |
| 09:42.49 | bilarh_ | it's all to do with sex... unfortunately for us, we chose Linux to be good at :-) |
| 09:42.52 | AnneC | it's this "leading" thing which is quite attractive to girls |
| 09:42.56 | antiphase | People like me don't get girls :) |
| 09:43.19 | AnneC | yes, I agree, we do need a bit more time for geekiness to be really sexy |
| 09:43.21 | bilarh_ | antiphase: we should have like... played football instead |
| 09:43.41 | AnneC | but I've been very attracted to people who knew what they were talking about |
| 09:43.56 | antiphase | Totally. I would have been some loser alpha male jock tosser then, so I 'm glad I skived sports at school to go to the computer room |
| 09:44.11 | AnneC | I'm still an exception, cause I understand IT, but here we go, we'll find more girls like me as years go by |
| 09:44.35 | antiphase | Appearing to know what you're talking about sadly sems more important than bing in posession of the full facts it seems |
| 09:45.06 | AnneC | It's attractive to a lot of people that you know about IT, but guys will try and put you down for not conforming to the easy 'body/muscle' values |
| 09:45.19 | AnneC | well sadly this is true antiphase |
| 09:45.23 | AnneC | it's all about attitude |
| 09:45.35 | AnneC | I got much more respect when I had attitude |
| 09:45.47 | AnneC | yet had the same amount of knowledge |
| 09:46.26 | bilarh_ | hmm, i don't know... if you have too much attitude, you come across (to me) as some complete knob |
| 09:46.33 | bilarh_ | or depends on what kind of attitude as well... |
| 09:46.40 | antiphase | Look at morsing for example ;) |
| 09:46.49 | AnneC | oh it's a question of balancing your act |
| 09:47.05 | AnneC | you do that to people who are sensitive to it |
| 09:47.11 | bilarh_ | there's the "i'm good and i know it attitude" and "i'm good and i know it and you probably suck, you dickhead" attitude... i definitely have a problem with the latter |
| 09:47.22 | AnneC | I wouldn't bother with INTP's for example :-) |
| 09:47.59 | AnneC | Yes, that's why I'm saying I had more respect before, some good people/leaders are in the second category |
| 09:48.28 | AnneC | Like, anyway, I agree, I don't care much about getting respect from the second category |
| 09:48.41 | AnneC | but it can be deserving sometimes |
| 09:49.35 | AnneC | s/deserving/not helping/ |
| 09:49.43 | AnneC | kind of ibot |
| 09:49.51 | bilarh_ | i don't think the good truly good leaders are in the second category |
| 09:50.05 | bilarh_ | well, i don't like working with them, at least |
| 09:50.14 | AnneC | I agree, that's why I haven't gone that way - I had to to survive uni though ;-) |
| 09:50.16 | bilarh_ | where'as i have no problem working with people of the first attitude |
| 09:50.54 | antiphase | s/(.)/\U$1/g |
| 09:51.04 | antiphase | Ha, stupid bot |
| 09:51.19 | bilarh_ | i suppose, some environments necessitate and breed the second :_ |
| 09:53.10 | AnneC | don't blame the bot, I just couldn't find the right word in English ;-) |
| 09:53.37 | AnneC | yes, and to me it's better than nothing, especially with php, people are too nice in there ;-) |
| 09:53.49 | AnneC | so if given the choice I'd go back to Perl |
| 09:54.06 | AnneC | then I don't know what it's like with Java - I'm headed that way now |
| 09:54.07 | bilarh_ | yeah, where you have to fight for every meal and your survival :-) |
| 09:54.16 | AnneC | yep :-D |
| 09:57.59 | SlayerXP | Motivate-O-Meter: [0%= 50% 100%] |
| 10:00.02 | bilarh_ | slayerxp: heh :) |
| 10:04.02 | antiphase | If you want that last = to disappear, start using Java |
| 10:05.47 | AnneC | what you mean antiphase? |
| 10:08.51 | SlayerXP | antiphase: I very skilled programmer I worked with said of java the following.... |
| 10:08.56 | SlayerXP | s/I/A/ |
| 10:09.12 | SlayerXP | "If Java is the answer, it was a fucking stupid question." |
| 10:14.07 | AnneC | brilliant, that's going to be my quote of the day |
| 10:14.30 | AnneC | hmmm, I said I was doing Java now, didn't I :\ |
| 10:18.21 | wethrin | hello |
| 10:18.40 | AnneC | wethrin! |
| 10:18.58 | AnneC | (does anyone know when morsing is on duty?) |
| 10:19.10 | wethrin | AnneC! |
| 10:19.13 | wethrin | Normally in the evenings |
| 10:19.21 | AnneC | ah ok |
| 10:40.33 | wethrin | The greeting dury |
| 10:40.36 | wethrin | *duty |
| 10:40.38 | AnneC | yep |
| 10:40.43 | wethrin | SlayerXP! |
| 10:40.45 | AnneC | nothing fancy ;-) |
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| 10:44.25 | SlayerXP | i didn't think we let women in here |
| 10:44.42 | SlayerXP | i didn't think had any women to not be allowed to be in here :) |
| 10:45.04 | SlayerXP | think we had, I mean |
| 10:45.27 | AnneC | huh? too many negatives for me to understand |
| 10:45.43 | SlayerXP | i was being "funny", most likely best to ignore me |
| 10:56.16 | SlayerXP | AnneC: I expect your company needs an effective antospam and antivirus filtering solution |
| 10:56.25 | SlayerXP | antIspam, too |
| 11:03.15 | gw280 | wethrin: why? |
| 11:07.31 | wethrin | Brum |
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| 11:33.35 | Ch0Hag | "Hence, spending $50, which is like half a day's worth of food to Americans .." |
| 11:34.24 | wethrin | Nah. Food's cheaper than that over there |
| 11:34.59 | Ch0Hag | I think that's been taken into account. |
| 11:35.08 | wethrin | Hum |
| 11:35.11 | wethrin | Lunchtime! |
| 11:59.52 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Jumped off the building yet? |
| 12:00.42 | AnneC | what happened to him, dick_turpin ? |
| 12:01.54 | dick_turpin | AnneC: He was suffering from that Male phenomenon "No body loves me everybody hates me I'm gonna go and eat worms" last night over a girl |
| 12:02.48 | bilarh_ | ewww, worms :-\ |
| 12:04.24 | AnneC | "No body" are the words ;-) |
| 12:04.44 | AnneC | Oh yes, I think I remember the beginning of the conversation about relationships with HK girls? |
| 12:05.07 | AnneC | Well I'm not doing any better in England, it's not only a male problem ;-) |
| 12:05.08 | jcookeman | AnneC: keep it up with your java |
| 12:05.24 | AnneC | why should I believe in Java, jcookeman? |
| 12:06.53 | SlayerXP | AnneC: spinvox looks interesting |
| 12:07.12 | jcookeman | AnneC: because in the end it's all irrelevant anyway |
| 12:07.28 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I'm not sure if some of it was in his mind or not |
| 12:07.31 | AnneC | indeed, SlayerXP |
| 12:08.06 | AnneC | whatyamean dick_turpin? |
| 12:08.39 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Supposedly this girl said he was too fat |
| 12:08.48 | AnneC | jcookeman: yep, Java feels ok to me, and I'll have again at last to think about nice concepts like GC, multithreading, etc... can't do me bad really |
| 12:08.51 | SlayerXP | perhaps he _is_ too fat |
| 12:09.47 | bilarh_ | ahem.. i can relate a bit to this problem i think |
| 12:10.19 | SlayerXP | i need more customers. |
| 12:10.28 | bilarh_ | anyway, when i was your typical misfit nerd in my teens, from about 10 to 17 i was really quite fat |
| 12:10.32 | bilarh_ | even obese, i guess |
| 12:10.32 | bilarh_ | anyway |
| 12:10.47 | dick_turpin | SlayerXP: Thats as maybe but apparently she has been telling about another bloke she fancys wich is a bit mean |
| 12:11.17 | SlayerXP | dick_turpin: so this alleged girl thinks he's fat and fancies someone else? |
| 12:11.21 | bilarh_ | then for some reason i started exercising a bit and stuff and by 21 i was 11 stones and constantly thinking about my weight... i was at the gym six days a week, training at least 2 hours a day, so completely obsessed |
| 12:11.25 | SlayerXP | this seems like a no brainer to me |
| 12:11.41 | AnneC | I guess over there being too fat means more than 90Kgs over there SlayerXP |
| 12:11.42 | dick_turpin | SlayerXP: Yeah but I think he has it bad for her |
| 12:11.43 | bilarh_ | and i always felt really obese, although i was only 11st at 6'2" |
| 12:11.43 | SlayerXP | go to nearest bar, pick up another girl |
| 12:12.17 | bilarh_ | anyway, now i'm back to my 16.5st and I'm way happier now, that i'm not obsessing about being fat (yeah, i'm a fat bastard again, but so what) :-) |
| 12:12.33 | dick_turpin | SlayerXP: He has been doing that but says he is sick it |
| 12:13.02 | AnneC | well if he's into her it's going to take some time, innit |
| 12:13.05 | bilarh_ | being skinny or not will not make you happy / depressed, imo... |
| 12:13.25 | SlayerXP | AnneC: I expect your company needs an effective antispam and antivirus filtering solution |
| 12:13.31 | AnneC | I've tried this method myself, and honest, it's not easy |
| 12:13.36 | SlayerXP | *random pitch* |
| 12:13.57 | AnneC | why you say that SlayerXP? |
| 12:14.18 | SlayerXP | AnneC: cos I have one :) |
| 12:15.38 | bilarh_ | ftse tanking today |
| 12:16.03 | bilarh_ | head and shoulders forming: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFTSE&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= |
| 12:16.18 | bilarh_ | or at least a shoulder and a head :-) |
| 12:16.31 | AnneC | mmm, I don't know. Are you going to target them so I think about you in a few weeks after a disastrous event or something ;-) ? |
| 12:17.36 | SlayerXP | AnneC: that would be immoral |
| 12:19.43 | AnneC | mmm, yes |
| 12:19.49 | dick_turpin | Bloody customers, ring at dinner time won't you mutter mutter |
| 12:21.05 | bilarh_ | oh man, i want to be a car mechanic |
| 12:21.08 | bilarh_ | or maybe a car tuner |
| 12:21.17 | bilarh_ | screw this linux malarky |
| 12:21.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: lol |
| 12:22.00 | bilarh_ | you laughing at me!??! *prods dick_turpin in the chest* |
| 12:22.13 | bilarh_ | i'll have you know, i ... |
| 12:22.13 | SlayerXP | AnneC: http://www.antibodymx.net/ |
| 12:22.21 | bilarh_ | so there! |
| 12:23.19 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Do you want the funny reply or the slightly nasty reply? |
| 12:23.37 | bilarh_ | can't you reply twice? |
| 12:23.40 | bilarh_ | we could fork the argument |
| 12:23.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: It'd lose its impact |
| 12:24.02 | bilarh_ | go for the funny one then :-) |
| 12:24.12 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: bugger |
| 12:24.30 | bilarh_ | you english... is it because of boy school's you're always talking about buggering here |
| 12:24.34 | bilarh_ | ? |
| 12:24.42 | bilarh_ | s/boy/boys only/ |
| 12:25.25 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I was thinking 'Car mechanic' hows he gonna fit under it with that waste! Ta Da ;-) |
| 12:25.38 | bilarh_ | hehe :-D |
| 12:26.03 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; waist? |
| 12:26.28 | bilarh_ | you've now sent my mood into a tailspin with that rude comment of yours :'( |
| 12:27.14 | cpufreak | why not catch it with a caffeinated dose of opposite lock |
| 12:27.20 | cpufreak | if you do it fast enough you'll avoid a tank slapper |
| 12:27.28 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I know you've got the hump cos there is a program on TV tonight about your treasure that they've dug up but..... |
| 12:27.56 | boudiccas | is there? i didn't know. I'm just still waking up |
| 12:28.00 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: caffeine... now there's a thought :-D |
| 12:28.18 | bilarh_ | although i think the queen was referred to as boudicea, is that you, boudiccas? |
| 12:29.37 | cpufreak | bilarh_: http://flightsimx.archive.amnesia.com.au/ |
| 12:30.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: feeling any better? |
| 12:30.43 | bilarh_ | excellent :-) |
| 12:31.20 | bilarh_ | i suck at this flying business |
| 12:31.52 | dick_turpin | 2.633m |
| 12:32.55 | dick_turpin | 4.068m |
| 12:32.55 | bilarh_ | wow, 7.319m :D |
| 12:33.22 | dick_turpin | 4.559m |
| 12:34.39 | dick_turpin | 8.644m |
| 12:35.13 | dick_turpin | 9.006m |
| 12:36.05 | bilarh_ | 8.924 |
| 12:36.21 | bilarh_ | and what length would that be, eh!? |
| 12:36.25 | bilarh_ | s/what/which/ |
| 12:36.48 | dick_turpin | 9.006m :-P |
| 12:38.32 | cpufreak | heh |
| 12:38.34 | cpufreak | I got 91.5 metres |
| 12:38.39 | cpufreak | throw it out the window |
| 12:38.40 | cpufreak | idiots |
| 12:38.49 | bilarh_ | you da man |
| 12:39.26 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: I've shredded loads on the fan |
| 12:39.46 | cpufreak | 94.553 metres |
| 12:39.47 | jcookeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.14 | dick_turpin | nighty night then :-) |
| 12:40.22 | jcookeman | hehe |
| 12:40.45 | antiphase | Today's Ubuntu shitness is lack of an iptables state resotoration on boot thingy |
| 12:41.04 | bilarh_ | whinge whinge whinge |
| 12:41.07 | jcookeman | antiphase: so make your own and quit yer bitchin' |
| 12:41.16 | antiphase | I shouldn't have to |
| 12:41.22 | antiphase | It's a very basic requirement |
| 12:42.01 | dick_turpin | Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh hold the competition |
| 12:42.31 | dick_turpin | Bloody 16 year old next door just got it out the window 54.680m |
| 12:43.45 | boudiccas | bilarh_; yes |
| 12:43.49 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: Youre still in the lead |
| 12:44.51 | jcookeman | so since when is iptables script on boot a very basic requirement? |
| 12:52.12 | dick_turpin | 78.946m |
| 13:04.10 | AnneC | they're just full of life dick_turpin ;-) |
| 13:05.50 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Thank god I'm 13 stone and have a bit of a belly then, oh and a bit bald too |
| 13:06.39 | AnneC | why are you thanking that 'guy' for then ;-) |
| 13:07.07 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Huh? |
| 13:07.37 | AnneC | well I'd prefer to be a 16 yo girl ;-) |
| 13:09.33 | jcookeman | AnneC: aren't 16 y/o girls boring |
| 13:09.47 | AnneC | I think I wasn't ;-) |
| 13:09.58 | AnneC | I'd like to get back to that time, honest |
| 13:10.05 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Groan I don't think I could go through all that again, making out I'm John Travolta, 5 hours in the bathroom, blah blah blah, I'm very happy being bald fat and 45 |
| 13:10.26 | AnneC | Now you're more like Elvis then |
| 13:10.54 | dick_turpin | AnneC: He's dead! what are you saying? |
| 13:11.20 | AnneC | and? |
| 13:12.12 | jcookeman | I must say life get's a hell of a lot better!! |
| 13:13.12 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Now is great, money is good, my own home, can afford the odd holiday and I'm no longer in a pub or club with 32 blokes all trying to pull 4 girls |
| 13:14.10 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: rofl |
| 13:14.41 | AnneC | Elvis was a cool bloke before he died, no? I mean, you could still make out you're Elvis, instead of Travolta, and *still* spend 5 hours in the bathroom |
| 13:15.15 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: interesting view point :D |
| 13:17.31 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Don't get me wrong I hadda a lotta fun especially @ 17 |
| 13:18.07 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I think the misses might get suspiciuos |
| 13:18.57 | AnneC | mmm, possibly |
| 13:19.45 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Wanna hear the cruel thing I intend to do to my twin daughters? |
| 13:20.22 | AnneC | sure, always up for cruelty |
| 13:21.55 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I'm gonna wait till they arrange an evening at a night club put on some 70's clothing (Big collars ect) |
| 13:22.28 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Be there before them on the dance floor doing my usual spacky dance routine |
| 13:22.49 | AnneC | ROTFL |
| 13:22.55 | dick_turpin | AnneC: When their mates say "Who's that moron?" Ta Da |
| 13:23.05 | bilarh_ | hehe |
| 13:23.06 | AnneC | brilliant! |
| 13:23.10 | bilarh_ | i'd hate to be your daughter! |
| 13:23.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I thought you was |
| 13:23.43 | bilarh_ | not unless your daughter is fat and balding? :) |
| 13:24.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'd tell you that they are babes but I don't want you as a son-inlaw |
| 13:24.43 | bilarh_ | ahem |
| 13:25.10 | bilarh_ | incidentally, are they 'in to' fat and balding blokes? |
| 13:26.04 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'm very lucky they'll be 16 soon and still have no interest in boys, yet! |
| 13:27.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'm waiting for the evening when I get home, poke my head in the front room, walk in the kitchen and say to the wife "What the 'F's that on my sofa?" |
| 13:27.46 | AnneC | 16 and no interest in boys? like, they don't do drugs either? |
| 13:28.04 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Its the way you bring em up |
| 13:28.12 | AnneC | lying to you? |
| 13:28.14 | bilarh_ | they're obviously very devious characters already, if you think that ;-) |
| 13:28.22 | AnneC | ha ha |
| 13:29.46 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Nope, they don't go out, no boys call at the house, the computer is in the family room so its too dangerous to do anything I know all their passwords :-) |
| 13:30.16 | AnneC | you *think* |
| 13:30.22 | bilarh_ | corr, it's like the gestapo :-) |
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| 13:30.44 | bilarh_ | 'officer dick turpin of the KGB at your service' :) |
| 13:31.02 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Yep thats why my name is spelt b-a-s-t-a-r-d |
| 13:31.24 | AnneC | oooh I'd love to be your daughter |
| 13:31.25 | bilarh_ | hehe |
| 13:31.28 | AnneC | fascist |
| 13:31.53 | AnneC | do you also hide webcams in their room? |
| 13:31.56 | bilarh_ | anecdote for you, mr KGB |
| 13:32.15 | bilarh_ | annec: *GASP* |
| 13:32.18 | AnneC | I mean, maybe they know there are cams watching them |
| 13:32.21 | dick_turpin | AnneC: actually they love me to bits, Monique is very protective of me |
| 13:33.06 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Hannah is a typical teenager "Whatever!" |
| 13:33.27 | wethrin | Wha'eva! |
| 13:33.34 | AnneC | wha'eva, innit |
| 13:33.49 | bilarh_ | my friend used to have this very protective mother... he'd never be let out past like 8 or something and his mum would always call me up and ask if he was with me and what we were doing etc up until we were about 18... my friend used to have to hide his alcohol etc at my place (which my parents found incredibly funny) |
| 13:34.21 | bilarh_ | anyway, as he grew older at about 21-22 he just went completely mental |
| 13:34.23 | AnneC | yep... and then grew up an alcoholic |
| 13:34.28 | AnneC | here we go |
| 13:34.36 | bilarh_ | as in, experimenting with this and that, using drugs etc etc |
| 13:34.40 | AnneC | see what you're doing to them dick_turpin ???? |
| 13:34.46 | bilarh_ | which I think had a lot to do with him being so couped up as a child |
| 13:35.07 | bilarh_ | having said that, i'm sure that's not what you're doing, i just thought it was an interesting anecdote :) |
| 13:35.50 | bilarh_ | hehe, probably not :-) |
| 13:35.59 | bilarh_ | i'll buy a shot gun if i ever have a daughter |
| 13:36.10 | dick_turpin | AnneC: What, just because prospective suitors get a questionnaire regarding prospects, what their parents do for a living, do mummy and daddy own their own home etc |
| 13:36.21 | bilarh_ | wtf own their own home? |
| 13:36.31 | bilarh_ | so just because i'm renting, i'm not good enough for your daughter? |
| 13:36.37 | bilarh_ | leaving aside the fact that i'm 27 and bald ;-) |
| 13:36.42 | bilarh_ | (and fat) |
| 13:36.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: peasant |
| 13:37.39 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin, i'm shocked :-) |
| 13:37.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Lifes a bitch |
| 13:38.12 | bilarh_ | and then you marry one :( |
| 13:38.30 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Twice in my case :-) |
| 13:38.59 | AnneC | men usually make women into bitches afaik |
| 13:39.09 | bilarh_ | i think it's hereditary |
| 13:40.32 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I'm not going there, experience has taught me I'll only loose, however I will say they do sit on their best asset :-) |
| 13:40.46 | bilarh_ | hehe |
| 13:40.49 | AnneC | their ass? |
| 13:43.09 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I'm not falling for that one either, too long in the tooth and lived with too many women to get sucker punched like that, I think you know what I meant :-) |
| 13:43.43 | AnneC | indeed, I think I do :-) |
| 13:45.08 | dick_turpin | AnneC: My ex father in-law had me in stitches one day he said "Women are only good for two things, but they burn the toast" think about it |
| 13:46.10 | AnneC | I dunt understund |
| 13:46.14 | bilarh_ | me neither |
| 13:47.56 | bilarh_ | oi, wot dus it it mean, then? |
| 13:47.57 | AnneC | shall we just ignore you said it then :-D |
| 13:58.03 | dick_turpin | AnneC: I'm not sexist really, which is what I was driving at |
| 13:58.28 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: What does what mean? |
| 13:58.46 | AnneC | I'd have to ask the missus, dick_turpin ;-) |
| 13:59.56 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Like all wives shed probably say "He's a pig, I have to do everything, never helps out" usual stuff |
| 14:00.24 | AnneC | and would you agree to all of this? maybe most guys are sexist pigs |
| 14:00.33 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: are you married to my wife as well?! |
| 14:00.44 | AnneC | they're bound to have a reason to say this |
| 14:01.06 | bilarh_ | i only agree to avoid arguments and not to ruin my chances of well... stuff :P |
| 14:01.41 | bilarh_ | it's not true... i do loads of house work.... like i actually cooked the other day, i do dishes most of the time |
| 14:01.53 | antiphase | You're such a New Man |
| 14:01.53 | AnneC | 'cooked the other day' ???? |
| 14:01.57 | bilarh_ | but of cousre, you wimmin lot latch onto the *one* slip up :-) |
| 14:02.02 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Not me I'm totally in favour of equality. Most men waste time fighting it, the answer is, never open doors make em pay half, help mix cement etc etc. fairs fair |
| 14:02.19 | AnneC | so when she can't be bothered to cook, she still has to cook, and you 'cooked the other day'... |
| 14:02.35 | bilarh_ | you say that as if it was a problem? |
| 14:02.42 | bilarh_ | if she can't be bothered to cook, i'll get a kebab :) |
| 14:03.11 | bilarh_ | there's no link between my kebab intake and overweightedness, before anyone starts ;) |
| 14:03.17 | AnneC | I'm all up for living in separate places, your mess, my mess, and our mess, where we'd keep the children |
| 14:03.23 | AnneC | yeah right bilarh_ |
| 14:03.38 | bilarh_ | !! are you calling my wife lazy? ;-) |
| 14:03.50 | AnneC | good, standing up for her |
| 14:03.58 | dick_turpin | AnneC: Wow there girl, I cook every Thursday, every morning I wash up dry and put away, straighten rooms. at the weekend I do all the washing, hang it out bring it in, Iron. want anymore? |
| 14:04.17 | AnneC | don't know, ask your wife :-D |
| 14:04.21 | boudiccas | and you get headaches too |
| 14:04.41 | bilarh_ | and we usually have to do all the work as well! |
| 14:04.49 | bilarh_ | it's hard being a man, i tell you |
| 14:04.51 | AnneC | like IRC? |
| 14:04.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Thats only from banging my head against a brick wall :-P |
| 14:04.57 | boudiccas | lol |
| 14:05.07 | AnneC | the only kind of banging? ;-) |
| 14:05.13 | AnneC | (ooops sorry) |
| 14:05.40 | AnneC | no really I didn't mean it, just went out a bit too quick |
| 14:05.43 | bilarh_ | well, after we've done all the housework and cooked etc etc, we're too tired for any other banging |
| 14:06.02 | AnneC | yep, I'm all for living at separate places |
| 14:06.02 | dick_turpin | AnneC: It was that sort of stuff that got me divorced :-X |
| 14:06.33 | bilarh_ | a bit too quick? :-\ |
| 14:06.34 | AnneC | Seriously, I think our lives have changed too much, it's difficult to get it right |
| 14:06.43 | AnneC | shhh, bilarh_ |
| 14:07.35 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Thats old age my friend, I'm led to believe dangling the family jewels in a glass of ice cold water helps |
| 14:08.32 | bilarh_ | i don't know if i can afford the shrinkage :-) |
| 14:09.06 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I've told you before I cant afford to get excited too often I cant afford the blood loss |
| 14:12.07 | bilarh_ | ... it's nice outside today :-) |
| 14:12.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Not as nice as Rome |
| 14:12.37 | dick_turpin | :'( |
| 14:12.39 | bilarh_ | but more cats here |
| 14:12.45 | boudiccas | its raining atm |
| 14:13.03 | bilarh_ | always someone to piss on my chips :( |
| 14:13.34 | bilarh_ | i hope it doesn't rain tonight... i need to go home and weild the angle grinder at the car again |
| 14:13.48 | bilarh_ | my neighbour's got a yappy dog, so i've started a noise war with them |
| 14:15.55 | bilarh_ | my wife wants one of these: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:DvE5pc30KKDRAM:www.lasharpei.com/_borders/Fall_04_016.jpg |
| 14:16.00 | bilarh_ | i want a staffie |
| 14:16.42 | wethrin | Wrinkly dog! |
| 14:16.54 | wethrin | Just get an RSPCA mutt |
| 14:17.03 | bilarh_ | a what? |
| 14:17.16 | bilarh_ | but if i get a dog from them, it might be mad or something |
| 14:17.18 | bilarh_ | or have rabies |
| 14:17.29 | bilarh_ | or do they vet them and put the mad ones down? |
| 14:17.36 | wethrin | Yes |
| 14:17.53 | wethrin | And they're good about rabies in this country |
| 14:19.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Don't do what I did a couple of months back, used one to cut through a water pipe, too lazy to use a saw, blew me across the kitchen, Oh how we laughed at the hospital |
| 14:20.49 | wethrin | You forgot to drain the water pipe? |
| 14:22.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I'm an intelligent guy, run a department with internal and external sales people, at one time was in charge of 300 blokes wadda you think? |
| 14:25.26 | bilarh_ | wethrin: awwww: http://www.dogshome.org/go.rm?id=249:1 |
| 14:25.28 | bilarh_ | *sigh* |
| 14:25.39 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: hehehe :D |
| 14:29.22 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: You awake yet? |
| 14:29.39 | wethrin | dick_turpin: It happens :) |
| 14:30.30 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Actually I couldn't drain it as it was the tap pipe I needed to shorten for the new mixer unit |
| 14:31.10 | wethrin | Mmm. Thought something like that. Water got into the electricals of the grinder? |
| 14:31.21 | wethrin | TBH, if it's copper pipe, I'd just use a pipe cutter |
| 14:32.11 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Yep, was pretty cool blew the diamond tip blade right of the spindle and you know how tight you have to lock them down |
| 14:32.43 | dick_turpin | off |
| 14:33.09 | antiphase | I wouldn't be quite so proud if I was so stupid ;) |
| 14:34.23 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Ah but its yet another story to be added to the memory banks for later regurgitation. |
| 14:34.56 | bilarh_ | i wish i was stupid as well, then i'd have loads of stories to tell :-( |
| 14:35.10 | bilarh_ | s/tell/tell too/ |
| 14:35.23 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Never be ashamed of your mistakes they are what makes you a better person |
| 14:35.46 | antiphase | That wasn't a mistake, it was a suicide attempt ;) |
| 14:36.31 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I've done worse, like tring to take a fuse out of a video player while it was still plugged in |
| 14:36.38 | dick_turpin | trying |
| 14:36.53 | antiphase | I'd recommend a large dose of heroin if you're serious |
| 14:38.20 | bilarh_ | when i was a wee nipper, i quite often used to open my computer case, take out or put in a new ISA card, do the case up again and then turn the computer off |
| 14:38.27 | bilarh_ | never broke anything that way, though :-) |
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| 14:44.10 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Come on then whats the most stupidest thing you've ever done? |
| 14:45.20 | antiphase | I try and avoid stupidity with the use of logic whenever possible |
| 14:45.34 | antiphase | I've done my fair share of illegal things though, which probably makes it stupid |
| 14:45.47 | antiphase | I've never tried to kill myself to be honest |
| 14:47.32 | dick_turpin | antiphase: If I wanted to do that I'd be successful, mind you if I do pop my clogs I intend to come back as a seagull then I cant shit on everyone who's shitted on me :-) |
| 14:47.41 | bilarh_ | i hate the bloody government... |
| 14:47.47 | bilarh_ | what is this crap about child tax credits then |
| 14:47.59 | bilarh_ | why do I have to pay to bring someone elses offspring up? |
| 14:48.19 | antiphase | Because the Govt are too weak to put poor people in workhouses any more |
| 14:48.30 | antiphase | And there is no shame in being a slag |
| 14:48.44 | bilarh_ | well, i wouldn't mind, but I won't get a bleedin penny if i ever have kids |
| 14:48.49 | bilarh_ | so how's that fair then>? |
| 14:48.55 | dick_turpin | antiphase: rotflma, brilliant, bilarh_ peasant :-P |
| 14:49.24 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: toff |
| 14:49.28 | antiphase | You'll just have to bask in the glow of your superior intelligence while they collect their tax credit pittance |
| 14:49.41 | bilarh_ | i'd rather collect my tax credits, please :) |
| 14:50.37 | bilarh_ | i just don't think it's fair that people who have worked (reasonably) hard to get a decent wage get raped at every turn by those who dossed in school and then got pregnant at 16 |
| 14:51.03 | bilarh_ | bring back margaret :) |
| 14:51.10 | antiphase | "Human rights" of course, the new PC reason for everything |
| 14:51.31 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I couldn't help it, my mates said "You never get pregnant the first time" |
| 14:51.33 | bilarh_ | human rights to rob my hard earned wages |
| 14:51.56 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: if you do it up the right hole, idiot ;-) |
| 14:53.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Don't talk to me about kids, my other name is 'Lucky dip Pete' every dip is a winner thats why I had me tubes cut |
| 14:54.33 | bilarh_ | at 45 and two kids, you must have a strong right arm :P |
| 14:54.44 | bilarh_ | do you think we scared shai? |
| 14:54.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: 4 to my knowledge |
| 14:55.09 | bilarh_ | oh right, sorry i thought it was two :-) |
| 14:56.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: yep 2 now 2 by a girl I was living with around 86 not seen or heard from them since she ran off to America with her new found bloke |
| 14:57.23 | bilarh_ | shite, that's harsh |
| 14:58.49 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Nice girl rang my mates up to make sure they picked me up for work, then cleaned me out and pissed off, came home to an empty life and a fat solicitors bill to look forward to |
| 15:00.00 | bilarh_ | damn |
| 15:02.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Water under the bridge |
| 15:03.08 | goibhniu | AnneC: btw I agree with your keeping things separate idea, that was how the celts did it afaik |
| 15:03.12 | bilarh_ | but on a positive note, at least you seem mentally stableish now and sorted :-) |
| 15:03.36 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: just meeting up for some rompey pompey? :-D |
| 15:03.50 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: you've started me off again |
| 15:04.06 | AnneC | oh that's cool, I didn't know it was exactly acceptable as a way of life goibhniu |
| 15:04.13 | goibhniu | bilarh_: not really .. just not being one entity |
| 15:04.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Its crude but.. its like riding a bike, you fall off but you just have to get back on again |
| 15:04.43 | bilarh_ | i suppose |
| 15:04.59 | bilarh_ | it would be a shame to let it ruin your whole life, eh? |
| 15:05.00 | goibhniu | AnneC: well not necessarily living separately but retaining their possessions and position in society etc |
| 15:05.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: My first wife was my fault though, Oops |
| 15:05.28 | AnneC | Ah ok |
| 15:05.37 | bilarh_ | giobhniu: ah... my wife lives a bit like that, except she now retains my posessions too :-\ |
| 15:05.59 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: so you're evens now then :P |
| 15:06.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine too |
| 15:06.30 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: yeah something like that |
| 15:07.20 | bilarh_ | it's a fair trade... i get to go to dinners with a bunch of ladies about twice a year which is more than i did as a geek |
| 15:07.21 | goibhniu | that's what you get from a society which didn't approve of women having their own careers |
| 15:07.27 | bilarh_ | i mean as a single geek |
| 15:08.01 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I was a bit of a git when I was younger, I've grown up a lot thank god, I saw an uncle the other week from Biggin Hill not seen him for about fifteen years I said "I'm surprised I've lived this long" |
| 15:08.13 | goibhniu | if the only way to make it in life is to marry into money then that's a sensible career option |
| 15:08.16 | bilarh_ | biggin hill, down my neck of the woods |
| 15:08.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: He thought for a minute and said "So am I" |
| 15:08.33 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: hehe |
| 15:08.47 | bilarh_ | goibhnu: i suppose... were the kelts more equal then? |
| 15:08.54 | goibhniu | yep |
| 15:09.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: My cousin lives in Orpington, I lived in Plumstead and Woolwich |
| 15:09.19 | goibhniu | by brehon law the higher your position in society the more you get punished for doing the wrong thing |
| 15:09.58 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: hmm... that's pretty cool... today it's sort of inverted |
| 15:10.04 | goibhniu | seems kinda fair to me ... and boys and girls were entitled to education in whatever field they desired |
| 15:10.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: When I take over I already have a list for the first against the wall |
| 15:11.15 | goibhniu | they didn't have police or jails either |
| 15:11.32 | goibhniu | some of the brits even adopted brehon law |
| 15:13.51 | goibhniu | I think it was cromwell who stomped that out |
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| 15:57.01 | n3llyb0y | hello all. I've just landed support for a linux based boot (rootfs) image which, I'm guessing, needs an updated set of nic drivers to work properly but I'm at a loss as to how I go about performing this update. The image I have registers as a Linux Kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS. Any pointers? |
| 15:57.45 | AnneC | aaaaaarrrgh, someone talking about technical stuff |
| 15:58.24 | bilarh_ | n3llyb0y: all we do in here is complain about the government and berate women ;-) |
| 15:58.29 | LeedsHK | evening dick_turpin |
| 15:58.41 | n3llyb0y | sorry. have I put a downer on proceedings? I do appologise. only this bootimage rootfs thingy is all very strange to me |
| 15:58.46 | antiphase | What is a "linux-based boot image"? |
| 15:58.46 | AnneC | ha, you awake at last LeedsHK ? |
| 15:58.49 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: I've been worried sick |
| 15:58.51 | bilarh_ | n3llyb0y: so this image.. is it on the device? |
| 15:58.51 | antiphase | Is it linux or not? |
| 15:59.05 | n3llyb0y | it is linux |
| 15:59.09 | LeedsHK | just got in :-) |
| 15:59.20 | AnneC | in what?? ;-) |
| 15:59.27 | LeedsHK | n3llyb0y: what distro is it? |
| 15:59.27 | antiphase | Does it boot from disk? |
| 15:59.32 | AnneC | (oops I did it again) |
| 15:59.34 | LeedsHK | AnneC: from the pub |
| 15:59.47 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: I've been watching the news all day waiting for a report on a squished woman |
| 15:59.51 | AnneC | ah ok. |
| 16:00.10 | LeedsHK | heh |
| 16:00.16 | bilarh_ | n3llyb0y: oh crap, i have to rush off... I'll leave you in the capable hands of antiphase and AnneC. Antiphase is a bit short, but he's really got a heart of gold, so bear with him ;-) |
| 16:00.23 | n3llyb0y | no - we boot over PXE then pick up this image to get drivers working etc which will then lauch pqi deploy and load a nice OS on the pc |
| 16:00.28 | LeedsHK | AnneC: more precisely, from the pub quiz... with a very drunk room-mate in tow |
| 16:00.30 | antiphase | I'm 6'3" |
| 16:00.43 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: female? |
| 16:00.58 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: yes... and that should be flat-mate, not room-mate - my mistake |
| 16:01.27 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Aaarrgghh you know what going through my mind don't you? |
| 16:01.41 | AnneC | she cute? |
| 16:01.41 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: possibly |
| 16:01.56 | LeedsHK | AnneC: so-so - and not when she's drunk |
| 16:02.22 | AnneC | brown bag? |
| 16:02.24 | LeedsHK | unlike Ling, who I (re-)met at the pub quiz... and who is cute |
| 16:02.26 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: I'm biting my lip here |
| 16:02.30 | AnneC | Ha |
| 16:02.42 | AnneC | and how was she today? |
| 16:03.17 | AnneC | is it the girl you talked about yesterday? |
| 16:03.27 | LeedsHK | nah, different girl - that was Jasmine |
| 16:03.35 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: spit it out, man! |
| 16:04.06 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: No I've already gone too far today, do have a suggestion for you though |
| 16:04.43 | LeedsHK | I'm thinking I should really admit to myself that my current leaning is towards cute Chinese girls - which is convenient, because there are lots of them in HK |
| 16:05.09 | antiphase | PQI Deploy looks like something for Windows |
| 16:05.50 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Breath in, suck in the belly, wrap cling film round the tum tum, stick shirt back on, "Look how much weight I've lost bitch" |
| 16:06.30 | n3llyb0y | antiphase : well yeah it might but that is besides the point I feel :-) the point is I need this boot image / rootfs to include updated support for newer nics but I don't know how to do that\ |
| 16:06.34 | LeedsHK | n3llyb0y: sorry, not ignoring you... |
| 16:06.59 | LeedsHK | n3llyb0y: the question is - where did the boot image come from in the first place? there's probably a facility to build a custom one with different drivers included |
| 16:07.56 | n3llyb0y | yep and I would ask the person who built this system if I could. But that's not an option right now which is why I have been handed this joyous task |
| 16:08.24 | boudiccas | n3llyb0y; what distro is it? |
| 16:08.48 | n3llyb0y | if I had to guess, I would say RHEL4 |
| 16:08.53 | antiphase | It's not a particularly trivial job. We have a similar system at work for installing Ubuntu with the same problem, which hasn't yet been solved |
| 16:08.58 | LeedsHK | don't guess - find out |
| 16:09.09 | boudiccas | if its rhel then contact them for support. thats what you pay for |
| 16:10.09 | n3llyb0y | how can I find out? is there something in this image that would give it away? |
| 16:10.36 | boudiccas | when you first boot it you should get a graphic display saying what it is |
| 16:11.43 | n3llyb0y | okay. best try that first then. cheers |
| 16:11.43 | LeedsHK | or mount the image and look at the contents |
| 16:11.43 | boudiccas | you need to know for definite to get your questions answered properly |
| 16:12.39 | antiphase | And tbh if you're struggling to find out what it is, you may be pushed to rebuild the kernel image and initramfs ;) |
| 16:18.51 | n3llyb0y | LeedsHK : what file system support will I need to mount the image? (rootfs maybe?) |
| 16:21.02 | boudiccas | n3llyb0y; what distro is it? |
| 16:21.23 | n3llyb0y | still not sure yet |
| 16:21.38 | LeedsHK | probably ext(2|3) |
| 16:24.10 | n3llyb0y | bleh - vmlinuz-2.6.20.1 is not a block device |
| 16:24.19 | n3llyb0y | -o loop doesn't work wither |
| 16:24.20 | wethrin | mount -o loop |
| 16:24.22 | wethrin | oh |
| 16:24.41 | LeedsHK | what error does that give? |
| 16:25.12 | n3llyb0y | "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 16:25.28 | wethrin | mount -o loop -t ext3 |
| 16:25.59 | n3llyb0y | wrong fs type, bad option blah blah |
| 16:26.03 | antiphase | vmlinuz is a gzipped kernel image, you can't mount it |
| 16:26.21 | antiphase | image as in "monolithic file" |
| 16:26.32 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 16:26.44 | n3llyb0y | can I gunzip it? . . . |
| 16:26.56 | antiphase | If you like, You'll still just have a kernel file |
| 16:27.10 | antiphase | If you have an initramfs it may shed more light on the subject |
| 16:34.14 | n3llyb0y | okay I'm getting somewhere - I've just found an initrd.img |
| 16:37.36 | AnneC|away | have a good evening guys |
| 16:43.46 | n3llyb0y | aha. it is busybox |
| 16:50.05 | n3llyb0y | sooo. I should be able to use a stock kernel and just compile in the drivers I need into a vmlinuz and bobs my unkle? |
| 16:50.35 | antiphase | Heh |
| 16:50.40 | antiphase | In principle, yes |
| 16:51.25 | antiphase | Plus whatever you need in your initramfs if necessary, which will likely include the same network drivers |
| 16:51.55 | antiphase | No two distros do it the same way of course |
| 16:52.11 | n3llyb0y | oh well - this will be fun |
| 16:52.27 | *** join/#gllug catalyst (n=catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild) |
| 16:53.51 | gw280 | ello catalyst |
| 16:54.04 | catalyst | heyo |
| 16:59.55 | jcookeman | n3llyb0y: I've had to do some work with dissecting initial ramdisks and stuff before. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:00.01 | wethrin | catalyst! |
| 17:00.58 | jcookeman | oops...I scrolled up and read |
| 17:01.01 | jcookeman | :D |
| 17:02.21 | n3llyb0y | hehe |
| 17:02.40 | catalyst | wethrin! |
| 17:04.48 | jcookeman | you can perform strings on the kernel image and most likely there is a string in there with compile host and kernel version, etc |
| 17:05.18 | jcookeman | you'll have to compile your nic drivers with same version of kernel |
| 17:05.30 | jcookeman | then open the initial ramdisk and add the drivers |
| 17:05.37 | jcookeman | then recreate the ramdisk |
| 17:05.41 | jcookeman | image |
| 17:05.45 | jcookeman | viola |
| 17:15.07 | *** join/#gllug JohnDoe666 (n=JohnDoe6@87.194.165.104) |
| 17:25.32 | morsing | JohnDoe666! |
| 17:25.37 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 17:25.48 | catalyst | herro :) |
| 17:26.10 | JohnDoe666 | h'ola? |
| 17:27.26 | morsing | How are you? |
| 17:39.29 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 17:39.37 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 18:00.29 | Ch0Hag | You're too huggy. |
| 18:03.53 | Ch0Hag | What software's good for getting usage stats from a mailserver? |
| 18:08.58 | antiphase | What sort of usage? |
| 18:09.16 | antiphase | eximstats is good if you want SMTP stats for Exim |
| 18:09.26 | antiphase | Otherwise who knows |
| 18:10.12 | boudiccas | vnstat |
| 18:25.06 | Ch0Hag | I want stats for postfix. |
| 18:25.21 | Ch0Hag | Well I need some for exim on other servers I suppose. |
| 18:26.44 | Ch0Hag | hmm nstat's graphs aren't really pretty enough. |
| 18:26.49 | Ch0Hag | vnstat |
| 18:46.23 | catalyst | morsing: very good, thanks :) how're you? |
| 18:51.48 | *** join/#gllug goltor (n=goltor@77-99-148-49.cable.ubr06.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:54.56 | *** join/#gllug kjalil (n=kjalil@host86-136-202-196.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:45.18 | hali | boudiccas: you're on telly! on five |
| 20:03.04 | kjalil | hali: really? |
| 20:18.52 | *** part/#gllug n3llyb0y (n=n3llyb0y@82-69-48-186.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 20:28.20 | hali | kjalil: yep, full hour documentary about boudiccas |
| 20:28.40 | kjalil | hali: about what? i missed it |
| 20:29.48 | kjalil | hali: oh i get it, just checked the tv guide :-) |
| 20:29.51 | hali | about the celtic warrior queet :) |
| 20:29.55 | hali | queen* |
| 21:10.21 | *** part/#gllug JohnDoe666 (n=JohnDoe6@87.194.165.104) |
| 21:11.10 | morsing | catalyst: Great :) |
| 21:11.53 | hali | hm, has anyone here ever sold a private domainname to a company? |
| 21:12.01 | hali | just wondering how the actual transaction works |
| 21:12.12 | hali | i'm tempted just to tell them to pay me via payal :P |
| 21:16.45 | catalyst | TwoSheds |
| 21:16.47 | catalyst | ? |
| 21:29.51 | morsing | catalyst? |
| 21:30.06 | catalyst | who's TwoSheds? :o |
| 21:30.31 | morsing | catalyst: ?!? Are you joking?! You've never heard of TwoSheds? |
| 21:30.35 | morsing | ping boudiccas |
| 21:30.41 | morsing | ibot TwoSheds |
| 21:30.42 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, twosheds is the lucky owner of two sheds, or a character in a Monty Python sketch |
| 21:30.46 | catalyst | I recognise having seen his name :o |
| 21:30.57 | morsing | Even ibot knows |
| 21:30.59 | catalyst | =( |
| 21:31.37 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/TwoSheds.jpg |
| 21:31.58 | antiphase | Looks like a paedophile |
| 21:32.05 | antiphase | What is in the sheds? |
| 21:32.35 | morsing | antiphase: No-one really knows although I do wonder where he keeps his mower and bike |
| 22:05.23 | wethrin | morsing: pong |
