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| 02:51.06 | LeedsHK | sanelson: you could probably have done it direct, you know... but I'll pass it on |
| 07:01.44 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
| 07:42.03 | LeedsHK | afternoon morsing |
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| 08:24.37 | rhowe | someone's trying to eat my breakfast |
| 08:36.14 | LeedsHK | is it you? |
| 08:38.44 | rhowe | Not only me |
| 08:38.55 | rhowe | Someone more cheeky |
| 08:42.07 | LeedsHK | someone who is, frankly, cuter than you? |
| 08:43.02 | rhowe | Perhaps |
| 08:43.16 | rhowe | Someone who has a knack for sitting on doors and picture frames |
| 08:43.24 | rhowe | (something I'm not sure I'll ever master) |
| 08:44.30 | rhowe | Oh well, time to take a trip to the office to kick the mail server |
| 08:44.51 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 08:45.21 | morsing | rhowe: The catÅ›'s eating your fry-up? |
| 08:49.03 | LeedsHK | not a cat |
| 09:26.05 | morsing | No? |
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| 09:27.55 | morsing | hali! |
| 09:31.20 | hali | morning |
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| 10:21.46 | andrew__ | hi morsing |
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| 11:41.17 | LeedsHK | oh my god it's so humid out there |
| 11:44.19 | clive-h | It's humid in the UK too, at least the South East |
| 11:51.07 | LeedsHK | it's also 10 degrees hotter here than London |
| 11:51.40 | LeedsHK | which, given that I'm just within the tropics, technically, is rather to be expected |
| 11:53.22 | clive-h | heh |
| 11:53.35 | niv_one_three | help, how come I get bash: /etc/init.d/natrouting: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory ? |
| 11:53.59 | niv_one_three | my /etc/init.d/natrouting is just a file starting with #!/bin/bash |
| 11:54.13 | niv_one_three | this file exist, and it is a bash script |
| 11:54.23 | LeedsHK | niv_one_three: it's a DOS format file rather than a unix format one |
| 11:54.43 | niv_one_three | but but I use vi to edit it |
| 11:55.00 | LeedsHK | you originally wrote it on windows |
| 11:55.12 | LeedsHK | in vim, do ":set ff=unix" to fix it |
| 11:55.19 | niv_one_three | and the easy way to convert it is? |
| 11:55.27 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
| 11:56.00 | clive-h | dos2unix filename |
| 11:56.33 | niv_one_three | say, judgin from this remark as well as previus ones, could I apply for a sys admin job |
| 11:56.36 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 11:56.49 | clive-h | I'd say not yet |
| 11:56.49 | niv_one_three | I am asking this for real, as I want to change a job |
| 11:57.01 | LeedsHK | apply? sure... get it? maybe... do it? not without help |
| 11:57.13 | clive-h | I don't think you have the experience as yet to be a sysadmin |
| 11:57.35 | niv_one_three | yet that is the best way to advance in the unix world - right? |
| 11:57.48 | niv_one_three | thanks clive-h :-) |
| 11:58.01 | niv_one_three | so, what should I do to advance? |
| 11:58.17 | clive-h | Learn more |
| 11:58.23 | niv_one_three | I allready setup my own nome router and vpn |
| 11:58.36 | clive-h | So? |
| 11:58.40 | niv_one_three | and specific advice? |
| 11:59.08 | niv_one_three | for example I am learing the gentoo portage package manager |
| 11:59.12 | clive-h | So suppose you were adminning a web server farm? |
| 11:59.19 | niv_one_three | and hope to become platform tester |
| 11:59.35 | clive-h | And your manager came in and said the websites down? |
| 11:59.35 | niv_one_three | ok clive-h , go on.. |
| 11:59.42 | clive-h | What would you do? |
| 11:59.53 | clive-h | That's the sort of problems sysadmins face? |
| 11:59.53 | niv_one_three | I would look in the /var/log/apache... |
| 12:00.13 | clive-h | And you see everything looks normal |
| 12:00.22 | clive-h | and that apache is running |
| 12:00.25 | niv_one_three | I may have to work for computer seince in the uni AGAIN :-( |
| 12:00.37 | niv_one_three | oh |
| 12:00.38 | niv_one_three | ok |
| 12:02.14 | clive-h | so .. |
| 12:03.06 | niv_one_three | so I am thinking of how I may advance on my free time |
| 12:03.37 | niv_one_three | I think conribing to gentoo will help |
| 12:04.00 | niv_one_three | as well, as trying new stuff on my home lan |
| 12:04.15 | niv_one_three | but I wish there was a guide I could read |
| 12:04.58 | niv_one_three | oh the other hand I now face a dbus problem, and am googleing to solve it |
| 12:05.05 | niv_one_three | dbus refuses to load |
| 12:05.54 | LeedsHK | niv_one_three: so how would you diagnose the web problems? |
| 12:06.21 | niv_one_three | :-) well, I would first see if the port is occoupied |
| 12:06.32 | niv_one_three | netstat |grep 80 |
| 12:06.38 | niv_one_three | or use the apache pid |
| 12:07.00 | niv_one_three | assuming the port is open , it should be a firewall issue |
| 12:07.18 | niv_one_three | so I need to see if I can access port 80 locally |
| 12:07.27 | niv_one_three | thus firefox localhost:80 |
| 12:08.11 | niv_one_three | or what ever is the ip in httpd.conf |
| 12:08.35 | clive-h | See you talk about dbus |
| 12:08.36 | niv_one_three | I could also telnet that port... |
| 12:08.46 | clive-h | But in practice servers don't run X |
| 12:08.56 | LeedsHK | clive-h: what does dbus have to do with X? |
| 12:09.11 | niv_one_three | as for dbus, it refuses to load on my gentoo box accusing localmount is missing :-( |
| 12:09.23 | niv_one_three | yet I get no error loading localmount |
| 12:10.05 | clive-h | hmm |
| 12:10.10 | niv_one_three | clive-h: this dbus problem represents a way to see HOW I seek a solution |
| 12:10.48 | clive-h | And you could telnet the port |
| 12:10.56 | clive-h | and find that apache is listening |
| 12:10.58 | niv_one_three | As I said... |
| 12:11.13 | niv_one_three | so if it responds - issue is out of the server |
| 12:11.35 | clive-h | Is it? |
| 12:12.11 | clive-h | So far I think we've established apache is running |
| 12:12.16 | niv_one_three | well, I would then go to connect a client to the server and telnet the web port |
| 12:12.37 | niv_one_three | ahd that the port is active (also socket is active) |
| 12:12.49 | clive-h | Why not look the web page from your desktop? |
| 12:13.00 | niv_one_three | I said that.... |
| 12:13.10 | clive-h | No |
| 12:13.14 | niv_one_three | 15:07 < niv_one_three> thus firefox localhost:80 |
| 12:13.23 | clive-h | Yes you said that |
| 12:13.26 | niv_one_three | sorry I wasnt clear then |
| 12:13.50 | niv_one_three | I ment running #firefox <IP> |
| 12:13.55 | clive-h | I've never used production webservers as desktops |
| 12:14.07 | clive-h | Okay and so you find that you can ax |
| 12:14.09 | niv_one_three | I ment running #firefox <IP:PORT> |
| 12:14.21 | clive-h | Okay and so you find that you can access the website internally |
| 12:14.26 | clive-h | from where you work |
| 12:14.29 | clive-h | and it's okay |
| 12:14.59 | niv_one_three | I know ask if a firewall rule is blocking access |
| 12:15.20 | clive-h | well could be anything |
| 12:15.21 | niv_one_three | iptables (show me table) |
| 12:15.37 | clive-h | Last place i worked the corporate website was down |
| 12:15.48 | niv_one_three | I would want to connect a client to the server ON THE LAN |
| 12:16.05 | niv_one_three | so external routing cant be blamed |
| 12:16.09 | clive-h | When I checked the problem was that the dns was broken |
| 12:16.24 | niv_one_three | OK |
| 12:16.27 | niv_one_three | I see |
| 12:16.46 | clive-h | because the domain had been suspended cos they didn't renew the domain |
| 12:16.57 | niv_one_three | I was suggesting to eliminate internal probelms first |
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| 12:17.16 | niv_one_three | only then I would seek WAN problems.. |
| 12:17.28 | clive-h | Well yeah you need to do all of those really |
| 12:17.31 | niv_one_three | and yes DNS is a WAN problem |
| 12:17.50 | clive-h | sometimes |
| 12:17.56 | niv_one_three | right |
| 12:17.58 | clive-h | and sometimes a LAN one |
| 12:18.15 | niv_one_three | well, these issues - I think I can handle |
| 12:18.38 | niv_one_three | this expirince is from the home router and vpn to three sites |
| 12:18.54 | clive-h | All the jobs I've applied recently have done phone interviews |
| 12:19.01 | niv_one_three | this demends routing and troubleshooting |
| 12:19.05 | clive-h | about 20 odd technical questions |
| 12:19.21 | niv_one_three | I see |
| 12:20.10 | clive-h | So let's see : you have a file-system /u1 |
| 12:20.25 | niv_one_three | what is " /ul" |
| 12:20.25 | clive-h | And you try and unmount and it fails, says it's busy |
| 12:20.40 | niv_one_three | fuser <file> |
| 12:20.42 | clive-h | It's a file-system , any file-system |
| 12:21.13 | niv_one_three | right - "kernel , please tell me how is locking the file system?" |
| 12:21.44 | clive-h | something like that |
| 12:22.15 | niv_one_three | odd, I guess I solved the dbus issue |
| 12:22.17 | niv_one_three | :-| |
| 12:22.26 | niv_one_three | more ? |
| 12:22.55 | clive-h | You try and kill the process that's busying the file-system and it doesn't die |
| 12:23.08 | niv_one_three | first interview I had (for intel :-) I forgot about shadow :-| |
| 12:23.23 | niv_one_three | well at home it doesnt really matter... |
| 12:23.41 | niv_one_three | I want to know the process tree |
| 12:23.45 | clive-h | I remember when RedHat shipped without /etc/shadow |
| 12:23.52 | niv_one_three | which child holds the filesystem |
| 12:23.57 | clive-h | up till 5.0 |
| 12:24.26 | clive-h | The process is own by user 1 |
| 12:24.31 | clive-h | owned |
| 12:24.57 | niv_one_three | I was reffering to tree but the uid is helpfull |
| 12:25.15 | clive-h | It's marked Z in ps |
| 12:25.15 | niv_one_three | I mean - yes I m looking to kill it |
| 12:25.24 | niv_one_three | zombie :-| |
| 12:25.28 | niv_one_three | damn it |
| 12:25.29 | clive-h | you can't kill it |
| 12:25.33 | niv_one_three | I see |
| 12:25.34 | clive-h | even as root |
| 12:25.44 | niv_one_three | uid 1 and zombie |
| 12:25.49 | clive-h | can you think why not? |
| 12:25.58 | niv_one_three | min pls |
| 12:26.17 | niv_one_three | casue I am in the shell that holds it! |
| 12:26.26 | niv_one_three | open a new shell ? |
| 12:26.27 | clive-h | Nope |
| 12:26.31 | niv_one_three | damn |
| 12:26.43 | clive-h | It's blocked waiting for I/O |
| 12:26.52 | clive-h | so not able to handle signals |
| 12:26.55 | niv_one_three | I would run mount |
| 12:27.18 | niv_one_three | I see |
| 12:27.24 | clive-h | Last time it happened to me it was a NFS file system |
| 12:27.34 | niv_one_three | I saw it with smb |
| 12:27.42 | niv_one_three | when I smb via vpn |
| 12:27.54 | niv_one_three | I would give up - reboot |
| 12:28.05 | niv_one_three | sorry - I dont know |
| 12:28.05 | clive-h | sometimes that's the best solution |
| 12:28.18 | clive-h | reboot is probably what you'd have to do |
| 12:28.19 | niv_one_three | what is another approch? |
| 12:28.42 | clive-h | Look at the nfs server and restart nfs on that possibly |
| 12:29.04 | niv_one_three | mount would revel its a nfs mount |
| 12:29.12 | clive-h | yeah |
| 12:29.21 | niv_one_three | then it would make sense looking to the nfs logs.. |
| 12:29.38 | clive-h | yep |
| 12:30.10 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
| 12:30.29 | niv_one_three | well I am monitoring this chanel |
| 12:30.41 | niv_one_three | but want to get some stuff rolling |
| 12:31.16 | clive-h | I'm gonna have lunch shortly |
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| 12:56.06 | jcookeman2 | good afternoon everyone |
| 12:58.42 | boudiccas | whats good about it? i've got a hangover |
| 13:00.00 | jcookeman2 | me....just moving data around |
| 13:00.02 | jcookeman2 | yawn |
| 13:01.41 | Ch0Hag | Does anyone have a maildir-to-cyrus script? |
| 13:02.01 | Ch0Hag | Preferably one which deals with attributes such as replied, read, etc. |
| 14:32.09 | antiphase | Ha ha ha |
| 14:32.21 | antiphase | Drag and drop over IMAP |
| 14:32.37 | antiphase | cyrus sucks the wang |
| 15:46.02 | morsing | Anyone awake? |
| 16:02.07 | boudiccas | no |
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| 16:53.04 | boudiccas | its quiet today |
| 16:53.12 | boudiccas | must be the warm weather |
| 16:56.33 | goibhniu | the gentoo uk thing was pretty cool, don't think there were a lot of gllugers there tho |
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| 17:25.17 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 17:25.19 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 17:25.25 | morsing | gregj! |
| 17:25.27 | morsing | londo! |
| 17:30.08 | gregj | yes |
| 17:30.29 | gregj | and stucked in cambridge because of that |
| 17:30.47 | gregj | I managed to overdraft my overdraft |
| 17:30.51 | morsing | gregj: You're in England?!?!? |
| 17:31.39 | morsing | Ch0Hag! |
| 17:31.42 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 17:32.57 | goibhniu | hey morsing ... any news from two sheds? |
| 17:34.25 | gregj | morsing: yup, since May |
| 17:36.16 | gregj | http://scenic.k4lab.com/~gj/bank.png |
| 17:36.21 | gregj | I had no idea you can even do that in here |
| 17:36.43 | gregj | funny country, banking system here is at least 10 years behind Polish and Austrian - for ones I know |
| 17:48.52 | morsing | goibhniu: Oehh... Since? No, not really |
| 17:49.13 | morsing | gregj: And 30 years behind Denmark |
| 17:49.22 | morsing | gregj: Everything here is 30 years behind |
| 17:55.50 | LeedsHK | hmm... I missed Sandy |
| 17:59.21 | gregj | Sandy ? |
| 18:03.21 | LeedsHK | a girl I met last night... she pinged me on MSN tonight while I was out |
| 18:07.07 | gregj | what other words, other than "appear" and "look" can you use, when you say that you like girls eyes, etc ? |
| 18:08.32 | gregj | my vocabulary is just so poor |
| 18:15.57 | goibhniu | taste? |
| 18:20.01 | morsing | gregj: Are they in front of you? |
| 18:21.28 | gregj | not now |
| 18:21.29 | gregj | :) |
| 18:21.58 | gregj | I am just doing my homework, trying to cmoe out with ways to say things. I don't have any problems in Polish, it is just hard in English somtimes :) |
| 18:25.08 | goibhniu | http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/1145/ |
| 18:27.38 | morsing | My camera no longer pops up when I plug it in :( |
| 18:28.22 | goibhniu | batteries? |
| 18:28.34 | morsing | goibhniu: ? |
| 18:29.00 | goibhniu | mine needs to be turned on before it pops up |
| 18:29.07 | morsing | Well, it comes up saying a camera has been detected if I want to import the photos but no matter what I do nothing happens :( |
| 18:29.26 | morsing | A file system used to come up on the desktop |
| 18:29.39 | goibhniu | hmm .. so it isn't mounting it at all? |
| 18:29.44 | goibhniu | what does dmesg say? |
| 18:30.36 | morsing | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 18:30.37 | morsing | usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 18:31.08 | morsing | goibhniu: And it does this on both my desktop and laptop |
| 18:31.14 | morsing | Camera is set to ptp |
| 18:31.51 | morsing | goibhniu? :( |
| 18:31.53 | goibhniu | and is anything showing up for mount? |
| 18:31.56 | morsing | No |
| 18:32.23 | goibhniu | and it normally works when you set it to ptp? |
| 18:33.06 | morsing | Well, yes |
| 18:33.12 | morsing | It's always set to ptp |
| 18:33.35 | morsing | How would I mount this manually? |
| 18:33.56 | goibhniu | I don't know what the device is going to be called |
| 18:34.05 | gregj | damn, I am so useless ... |
| 18:34.09 | morsing | Can I find out/ |
| 18:34.10 | morsing | ? |
| 18:34.16 | goibhniu | you could ls /dev before and after plugging it in and diff them |
| 18:34.43 | goibhniu | I think dmesg should also give some clues |
| 18:35.16 | goibhniu | can you plug the memory from the camera in on its own? |
| 18:35.18 | morsing | goibhniu: It creates some weird USB character devices in /dev, that's it |
| 18:35.36 | morsing | goibhniu: No - I can't find the USB thingy I normally use |
| 18:36.01 | goibhniu | can you paste in the device names here? |
| 18:36.41 | morsing | usbdev2.2_ep00 |
| 18:37.17 | goibhniu | 1 sec I'll try mine |
| 18:38.51 | goibhniu | ahh yeah ... mine is called sda1 |
| 18:38.56 | goibhniu | sorry .. gotta go |
| 18:40.08 | goibhniu | lots of scsi stuff in dmesg |
| 18:58.35 | morsing | Ok, I installed gtkam and it uploaded it |
| 18:58.38 | morsing | ping wet |
| 18:58.50 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 18:58.59 | LeedsHK | http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/07/support_open_so.html |
| 18:59.02 | LeedsHK | g'night all |
| 19:22.22 | morsing | nn LeedsHK |
| 19:50.05 | gregj | http://www.theindychannel.com/entertainment/13645513/detail.html |
| 19:50.16 | gregj | there's no place like UK |
| 19:51.26 | gregj | http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a179/teetway/osama.jpg |
| 19:51.29 | gregj | :d |
| 19:55.22 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Shakespeare_County_Raceway_Jul2007/movies/First_run.avi |
| 19:55.26 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Shakespeare_County_Raceway_Jul2007/First_run_timeslip.jpg |
| 19:55.30 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Shakespeare_County_Raceway_Jul2007/movies/Second_run.avi |
| 19:55.34 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Shakespeare_County_Raceway_Jul2007/Second_run_timeslip.jpg |
| 20:25.16 | morsing | png wethrin |
| 20:54.24 | Ch0Hag | The tagline is interesting - not 'This country is going to the dogs and nobody seems to want to stop it' but 'James Hetfield of Metallica may want to re-think the facial hair'. |
| 20:56.06 | Ch0Hag | Like it was his fault. |
| 20:59.21 | morsing | Beer |
| 21:02.15 | Ch0Hag | I don't know what to eat. |
| 21:02.39 | Ch0Hag | There's nothing useful except for biscuits and things in the kitchen. |
| 21:07.27 | morsing | Beer |
| 21:07.54 | Ch0Hag | Not on an empty stomach. |
| 21:08.13 | morsing | Vodka? |
| 21:09.44 | Ch0Hag | I don't think you quite get the point of in something to 'eat'. |
| 21:10.32 | morsing | Guinness is like liquid food |
| 21:52.01 | gw280 | I appear to be in birmingham |
| 22:08.07 | Ch0Hag | How unfortunate. |
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