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| 07:38.04 | bilarh_ | better start time today :-) |
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| 08:22.39 | clive-h | good morning |
| 08:35.27 | bilarh_ | morning |
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| 08:59.11 | bilarh_ | numpty question coming up |
| 08:59.28 | bilarh_ | if i have a bonded network interface in an active / passive config |
| 09:00.43 | bilarh_ | is the reason i can't tcpdump on the current slave interface that the network cards only publish one mac and that the switch doesn't send broadcast traffic to my slave interface as it think it lives on the other switch port? |
| 09:00.56 | bilarh_ | as in, i can tcpdump, but i don't get any packets |
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| 09:08.44 | niv_one_three | is anyone aware of how to sync google calender with any linux based PIM client |
| 09:08.48 | niv_one_three | like evolution? |
| 09:09.33 | niv_one_three | I just discovered goosync, and feel so lame. it is out since November 2006 |
| 09:10.10 | bilarh_ | ;-) |
| 09:10.40 | bilarh_ | btw, i had no idea google even did a calender type application :-) |
| 09:10.47 | bilarh_ | is it part of that google hotmail thing? |
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| 09:11.01 | edit_lp2 | morning all |
| 09:11.15 | bilarh_ | morning |
| 09:12.33 | edit_lp2 | Gentoo have a london meeting/seminars in a few weeks at UCL if anyones intrested |
| 09:12.57 | bilarh_ | cool, what kind of seminars are they? |
| 09:13.04 | bilarh_ | as in what topics, i mean :) |
| 09:13.23 | z00dax | i thought gw280 was the lat gentoo user in London - and we managed to cure him |
| 09:13.29 | z00dax | s/lat/last/ |
| 09:13.39 | edit_lp2 | the list will be updated on www.genbot.co.uk tomorrow with list of speakers and topics |
| 09:13.55 | edit_lp2 | bilarh_, ^ |
| 09:14.06 | z00dax | death! |
| 09:14.08 | bilarh_ | edit_lp2: cheers |
| 09:14.14 | edit_lp2 | entry is free etc but we are asking for people to preregister |
| 09:14.18 | bilarh_ | gw280: you have anger issues... have you considered sectioning? |
| 09:14.36 | edit_lp2 | could someone drop this on th ML for me please or add it to topic |
| 09:14.39 | bilarh_ | edit_lp2: ah :( can't do 14th... i'm going to a kung fu seminar the same day |
| 09:14.50 | z00dax | edit_lp2: do one thing - post something to the gllug-social list |
| 09:14.52 | edit_lp2 | bilarh_, shame :( |
| 09:15.07 | edit_lp2 | z00dax, ok i will later |
| 09:15.15 | z00dax | and i can also put something on the www.gllug.org.uk website |
| 09:15.28 | edit_lp2 | z00dax, that would be great |
| 09:15.29 | z00dax | so whatever you want on the gllug site - put that into the email to the social list :) |
| 09:15.42 | bilarh_ | oh man, that really sucks... the community topic seems interesting |
| 09:15.51 | edit_lp2 | z00dax, i'll get on to this in an hour or so, ty |
| 09:15.58 | z00dax | there is a good chance I wont be around on the 14th though :( |
| 09:16.15 | bilarh_ | edit_ |
| 09:16.36 | edit_lp2 | shame |
| 09:16.41 | bilarh_ | edit_lp2: there's no chance you can move the date for me, is there? ;-) |
| 09:16.49 | edit_lp2 | bilarh_,no sorry |
| 09:16.58 | bilarh_ | btw, in case you haven't heard, the earth revolves around me :P |
| 09:17.11 | edit_lp2 | bilarh_, it runs all day so just come for an hour ir so |
| 09:17.19 | edit_lp2 | lol |
| 09:17.40 | bilarh_ | doing kung fu from 10 to 6 |
| 09:18.02 | bilarh_ | maybe next year :-) |
| 09:18.15 | edit_lp2 | lol ok, just move ya KF |
| 09:18.16 | edit_lp2 | :P |
| 09:19.28 | bilarh_ | yeah i'll propose that to sifu... i'll call you from hospital to let you know if i can make it to the gentoo seminar :p |
| 09:19.45 | edit_lp2 | =) |
| 09:21.04 | edit_lp2 | got a link for the social list guys? |
| 09:21.43 | edit_lp2 | nm found |
| 09:22.35 | bilarh_ | maybe i should check out gentoo again |
| 09:22.49 | bilarh_ | i used it up to about a year and half ago |
| 09:22.54 | bilarh_ | but i got fed up with portage breaking on me all the time |
| 09:23.09 | bilarh_ | i like the idea of it |
| 09:23.42 | edit_lp2 | portage is rock solid now |
| 09:23.48 | edit_lp2 | has been for ages |
| 09:23.51 | bilarh_ | with dependencies and stuff as well? |
| 09:23.57 | edit_lp2 | oh yeah |
| 09:24.00 | bilarh_ | it wasn't portage as such, it was dependencies |
| 09:24.02 | bilarh_ | ah cool |
| 09:24.29 | edit_lp2 | =) |
| 09:24.43 | bilarh_ | to be fair, there was a newer version out when i stopped using it, but i just couldn't be bothered so i popped an ubuntu cd in :-) |
| 09:24.57 | edit_lp2 | ubuntu huh |
| 09:24.59 | edit_lp2 | hrm |
| 09:25.01 | edit_lp2 | =) |
| 09:25.01 | bilarh_ | s/in /into the cd drive / |
| 09:25.11 | bilarh_ | ubuntu is nice, though |
| 09:25.23 | niv_one_three | bilarh: its nice that google calender |
| 09:25.28 | edit_lp2 | its lazy and a lil bloat but yeah it works |
| 09:25.38 | bilarh_ | gentoo is more fun, but ubuntu just works which is nice as i don't have time to mess about with the system at the moment |
| 09:25.39 | niv_one_three | oh ya, I also like using gentooo |
| 09:26.03 | bilarh_ | then again, gentoo also always "kjust worked", it was just that i had to do a bit more of the 'working' :-) |
| 09:26.12 | edit_lp2 | ok i better write a mailer for you lists |
| 09:26.23 | edit_lp2 | your' |
| 09:26.25 | bilarh_ | i'm not particularly fond of ubuntu's gnome, and it doesn't seem to work very well with xfce4 unfortunately |
| 09:26.51 | edit_lp2 | gentoo a lil x and openbox ftw =) |
| 09:28.14 | bilarh_ | hmm openbox... never checked it out... i'm too old skool |
| 09:28.21 | bilarh_ | i still hanker back to the fvwm2 days :-) |
| 09:28.33 | bilarh_ | or even the default redhat 3 fvwm setup... that rocked :-) |
| 09:29.36 | bilarh_ | oh, i like the word 'minimalistic' in the openbox wiki :D |
| 09:30.14 | bilarh_ | hmm |
| 09:30.16 | bilarh_ | hang on... |
| 09:30.23 | bilarh_ | am i running openbox on ubuntu already by default? :-) |
| 09:30.47 | bilarh_ | uh.. this shows how much i've actually poked around in ubuntu as anything else but a luser |
| 09:31.42 | bilarh_ | ah.. i think i'm already using it :D |
| 09:32.27 | bilarh_ | umm, no :) |
| 09:34.50 | bilarh_ | ah, the default in ubuntu is metacity |
| 09:38.30 | edit_lp2 | =) |
| 09:43.10 | Ch0Hag | Be are retarted. |
| 09:43.50 | Ch0Hag | Their web interface (for partners) is crap, but it has a button 'Download CSV Description File' which should give me the information in a form I can actually use. |
| 09:44.04 | Ch0Hag | mking@knight:~/Desktop$ file WholesaleCSVUploadFileDescription.xls |
| 09:44.04 | Ch0Hag | WholesaleCSVUploadFileDescription.xls: Microsoft Office Document |
| 09:50.52 | niv_one_three | lunch! |
| 09:51.34 | bilarh_ | ch0Hag: hehe nice :D |
| 10:00.09 | hali | bilarh_: ratpoison is the shit :) |
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| 10:02.19 | bilarh_ | so i've heard :-S |
| 10:02.37 | bilarh_ | out of date chicken gives you the shits also :-\ |
| 10:03.47 | clive-h | That sounds nasty |
| 10:06.31 | Ch0Hag | Wtf? All that time installing openoffice all it is is a description of the fields in a spreadsheet they won't actually give me. |
| 10:07.58 | Ch0Hag | Utterly retarded. |
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| 11:29.01 | clive-h | Tis quiet |
| 11:29.26 | wethrin | too quiet..... |
| 11:32.34 | Ch0Hag | Trying to find a character perl doesn't have a special use for is proving taxing. |
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| 11:59.14 | morsing | londo! |
| 12:00.34 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 12:00.37 | wethrin | Not working today? |
| 12:07.45 | niv_one_three | how can I tell when a fish I cookin oil on the stuve is ready? |
| 12:07.56 | niv_one_three | s/stuve/stoove |
| 12:08.09 | niv_one_three | any english ppl? |
| 12:09.14 | clive-h | The word is stove |
| 12:09.26 | clive-h | and on not oil |
| 12:09.49 | bilarh_ | niv_one_three: when the meat comes off the bones easily? |
| 12:10.05 | Ch0Hag | When it's cooked to your liking. |
| 12:10.16 | Ch0Hag | Assuming the fish is fresh, it doesn't need blasting. |
| 12:10.18 | bilarh_ | if you have fish fingers, it's a bit problematic, because they don't tend to have bones |
| 12:10.19 | clive-h | Might depend on the fish I guess |
| 12:10.38 | Ch0Hag | Personally, that state would never be reached because I don't like fish. |
| 12:11.05 | Ch0Hag | It's probably easier to just cook it Japanese style. |
| 12:11.10 | clive-h | I prefer shellfish particularly cruistaceans |
| 12:11.18 | clive-h | -i |
| 12:11.27 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: as in, not cooking it? |
| 12:11.34 | niv_one_three | let me ask it as a english speaking person: hi, How can I prevent over cooking a fish in oil? |
| 12:11.58 | Ch0Hag | Da. Much easier. |
| 12:12.03 | bilarh_ | deep frying it, you mean? |
| 12:12.07 | niv_one_three | Frst it was under cooked, then over.. |
| 12:12.08 | clive-h | keep checking it to see when it's done? |
| 12:12.20 | niv_one_three | ya I mean deep fre |
| 12:12.27 | niv_one_three | fry |
| 12:12.35 | Ch0Hag | Oh that's easy. |
| 12:12.52 | Ch0Hag | Go down the chippy, say "One cod and chips please". |
| 12:12.52 | bilarh_ | when it stops bubbling like mad, i think :-) |
| 12:12.53 | niv_one_three | I used an egg and flower to cover it |
| 12:13.08 | Ch0Hag | Oh yes it's lunch time. |
| 12:13.12 | bilarh_ | did they still serve you after you did that? :-O |
| 12:13.13 | Ch0Hag | Chips or Chinese? |
| 12:13.15 | clive-h | a rose? tulip? |
| 12:13.18 | niv_one_three | but even it was just about to turn yellow - fish was under cooked |
| 12:14.00 | niv_one_three | (my english is bad today) |
| 12:14.00 | clive-h | errr no this *is* #gllug |
| 12:14.13 | niv_one_three | never mind |
| 12:14.15 | wethrin | You expected #gllug to talk about Linux? :) |
| 12:14.20 | clive-h | I thought I was on #cookery |
| 12:14.41 | Ch0Hag | Well wives are hard to come by for Linux users, so cookery is a useful skill. |
| 12:14.49 | niv_one_three | dont linux ppl eat fish inlondon? |
| 12:14.59 | clive-h | yeah |
| 12:15.04 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 12:15.14 | clive-h | I get fish from the fish and chip shop |
| 12:15.26 | clive-h | I don't own a deep fat fryer |
| 12:15.30 | Ch0Hag | niv_one_three: Only if it's had the nastiness deep fried out of it. |
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| 12:16.28 | clive-h | I usually get cod roe and chips anyway |
| 12:16.35 | bilarh_ | cod roe? |
| 12:16.43 | bilarh_ | tell me it's not fish eggs> |
| 12:16.44 | bilarh_ | ? |
| 12:16.51 | clive-h | It is yes |
| 12:16.54 | wethrin | Caviar! |
| 12:16.54 | clive-h | delicious |
| 12:17.04 | bilarh_ | you're gonna have small baby fish swimming about in your tummy :( |
| 12:17.33 | clive-h | I think the frying might kill em off you know |
| 12:20.25 | Ch0Hag | Why? Oil's a liquid isn't it? |
| 12:20.28 | Ch0Hag | Fish live in liquid. |
| 12:22.53 | clive-h | True |
| 12:51.03 | Ch0Hag | chip buttie for teh win. |
| 12:51.08 | clive-h | Prawns, veggie springs rolls, garlic mash |
| 12:53.15 | bilarh_ | chip butties are ace, but i'm gonna go with clive-h's offer here |
| 12:53.27 | bilarh_ | clive-h: when will it be done? |
| 12:53.37 | clive-h | heh about 5 mins |
| 12:53.53 | Ch0Hag | meh. Praws suck. Veggies suck more. |
| 12:53.56 | clive-h | and possibly some camembert |
| 12:54.01 | Ch0Hag | Except king prawns. They're OK. |
| 12:54.19 | bilarh_ | clive-h: ah ok, i'll have to pass then, i'm still at work :-( |
| 12:55.38 | clive-h | Local indian takeaway does an excellent king prawn vindaloo |
| 12:55.54 | edit_lp2 | hrm, now im hungry .. |
| 12:56.31 | bilarh_ | hmm... i don't do vindaloo's... |
| 12:56.47 | Ch0Hag | -' |
| 12:56.48 | clive-h | too hot or do you prefer phaaal? |
| 12:56.49 | bilarh_ | although i like that the clue as to how you'll feel after is in the name :-) |
| 12:56.58 | bilarh_ | too hot for my ickle tongue |
| 12:57.13 | clive-h | Their jalfrezi is nice too |
| 12:57.27 | Ch0Hag | We get a great saag from the one round here. |
| 12:57.32 | Ch0Hag | Only costs about 3 quid, too. |
| 12:58.15 | bilarh_ | i usually play it safe with a madras or korma :-) |
| 12:58.25 | bilarh_ | i usually find the vindaloos too runny as well |
| 12:58.33 | clive-h | heh |
| 12:58.38 | bilarh_ | madras kan be too hto for me sometimes though |
| 12:58.58 | clive-h | I like hot curries and things |
| 12:59.16 | bilarh_ | i'm more of a chinese / thai man myself |
| 12:59.18 | bilarh_ | food wise |
| 12:59.31 | Ch0Hag | Whe restrict yourself? |
| 12:59.46 | Ch0Hag | Chinese, Indian, English, Italian. |
| 12:59.48 | bilarh_ | because i don't like indian food :-) |
| 12:59.54 | Ch0Hag | Anything except American, in fact, is good. |
| 13:00.05 | bilarh_ | and english :P |
| 13:00.23 | bilarh_ | steak and kidney pie, mmmmm *not* |
| 13:00.30 | bilarh_ | i made the mistake of having one of them at work once |
| 13:00.37 | bilarh_ | my god, it's like eating concentrated evil |
| 13:00.56 | bilarh_ | and then someone told me that the thick pastry on top of it was actually some sick thing as well |
| 13:01.01 | Ch0Hag | Pie++ |
| 13:01.18 | Ch0Hag | Although kidney sucks. |
| 13:01.22 | boudiccas | mixed grill with the liver cooked so well that it almost melts in your mouth |
| 13:01.22 | bilarh_ | yeah pie++, but pie.with_intestines--; |
| 13:01.23 | Ch0Hag | I prefer steak and steak pie. |
| 13:01.37 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: bleurgh is what i say to that |
| 13:01.43 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:01.56 | Ch0Hag | You can seperate the kidney by feel though because it's smooth and just swallow it without having to taste. |
| 13:02.13 | bilarh_ | i mean, if you think about it... it's like dismantling a sewer cleaning plant and eating it |
| 13:03.07 | bilarh_ | steak sandwiches for the win |
| 13:03.15 | bilarh_ | s/for the win/ftw/ |
| 13:03.23 | bilarh_ | forgot to be l33t :) |
| 13:04.13 | Ch0Hag | If you've get Steak sandwiches ftw and chip butties ftw, where does that leave steak and chip butties for the 2 times win. |
| 13:04.22 | Ch0Hag | s/where// |
| 13:04.35 | Ch0Hag | Yes thankyou ibot. Go back to your hole. |
| 13:05.27 | bilarh_ | ah, speaking of holes |
| 13:05.34 | bilarh_ | i'm a great fan of toad in the hole :0 |
| 13:05.48 | bilarh_ | but, what sick perverted mind came up with the design |
| 13:05.54 | clive-h | yes that's always good |
| 13:06.10 | bilarh_ | or is it just my wife that's perverted with the sausage? :D |
| 13:06.23 | Ch0Hag | Somebody with a penchant for lard? |
| 13:06.39 | Ch0Hag | Oh THAT kind of perverted :P |
| 13:06.48 | bilarh_ | so innocent :-) |
| 13:07.05 | bilarh_ | swiftly moving on |
| 13:07.15 | Ch0Hag | Yes indeed. |
| 13:07.23 | Ch0Hag | So, 'bout them Nicks. |
| 13:07.26 | Ch0Hag | </bender> |
| 13:07.31 | bilarh_ | hehe :-) |
| 13:07.32 | bilarh_ | go bears |
| 13:08.18 | Ch0Hag | Thinking of ftw/ftl, there used to be a gomes company called ftl. |
| 13:08.21 | Ch0Hag | Unlucky choice. |
| 13:14.13 | bilarh_ | hehe |
| 13:17.15 | bilarh_ | hey are fairlight still around? :D |
| 13:17.24 | bilarh_ | as in the group that cracked loads of games back in the 90's? |
| 13:17.34 | bilarh_ | for a while, it seemed like every game i had was cracked by them |
| 13:17.44 | bilarh_ | i never bought any games, of course :-) |
| 13:18.46 | bilarh_ | heh, it was amazingly stupid actually... fairlight had an address you could send a letter to to ask for a list of software they could supply on cdrom :D |
| 13:19.01 | bilarh_ | it was some address in germany... wonder if the police cottoned on :) |
| 13:20.22 | Ch0Hag | Oh I don't know. Might be a bit too complicated for them. |
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| 13:26.30 | SlayerXP | FTL did the Dungeon Master series on the atari st |
| 13:26.36 | SlayerXP | classic game |
| 13:26.53 | SlayerXP | fairlight were active in the 80s, also |
| 13:41.45 | Ch0Hag | On the Atari and just about everything else. |
| 13:47.02 | hali | the fairlight tune was great |
| 13:47.12 | hali | still remember the 64k demos :P |
| 13:47.16 | hali | those where the day |
| 13:54.45 | bilarh_ | ah good old 64k demos |
| 13:54.49 | bilarh_ | and even the 4k ones, damn :D |
| 13:55.04 | bilarh_ | packing that kind of thing into that little memory is really really cool |
| 13:55.37 | bilarh_ | i'm guessing that they used self extracting executables, really :) |
| 13:56.00 | bilarh_ | because it would be nigh on impossible to put stuff like graphics, sound etc into 64k, wouldn't it |
| 13:56.20 | bilarh_ | unless you used bits of your code image as samples :-) |
| 13:56.33 | bilarh_ | afaicr, they used that technique in some of the old NES games |
| 13:56.41 | bilarh_ | nes games are like 16-64k, aren't they? |
| 13:56.53 | bilarh_ | which is *really* tiny for somethign like zelda 1 for example :-) |
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| 14:34.18 | Ch0Hag | ??rotten |
| 14:34.20 | niv_one_three | hali: hi |
| 14:34.29 | Ch0Hag | Oops. |
| 14:34.35 | niv_one_three | pls help me understand piping |
| 14:35.07 | niv_one_three | when I want to use htmldoc to generate postscript from html then print it |
| 14:35.24 | niv_one_three | I do htmldoc <URL> | lpr -- |
| 14:35.33 | niv_one_three | what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:36.41 | niv_one_three | sorry I ment # htmldoc -t ps <URL> >> lpr -- |
| 14:38.01 | clive-h | Well |
| 14:38.13 | niv_one_three | as in OK? |
| 14:38.29 | clive-h | The latter will redirect the output to a file called lpr |
| 14:38.50 | clive-h | htmldoc -t ps <URL> | lpr |
| 14:38.51 | niv_one_three | oh.. |
| 14:39.04 | clive-h | will output to the line printer |
| 14:39.39 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
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| 15:06.58 | wethrin | morsing: ping? |
| 15:08.06 | bilarh_ | wethrin: icmp reject from bilarh_ |
| 15:08.17 | wethrin | Yes, well, you're the wrong Henrik |
| 15:09.24 | bilarh_ | oh yeah, i forgot he's henrik as well :D |
| 15:09.37 | bilarh_ | i was acting like a router there, though :-) |
| 15:09.45 | bilarh_ | although that's quite weird, as i have no route to morsing |
| 15:10.11 | wethrin | Are you coming to the Peak District? |
| 15:10.24 | bilarh_ | me or morsing? |
| 15:10.29 | wethrin | You |
| 15:10.32 | wethrin | I know morsing's coming |
| 15:10.39 | bilarh_ | oh, i didn't even know about the peak district D |
| 15:10.41 | bilarh_ | :-) |
| 15:10.45 | wethrin | Get thee on the Social list |
| 15:10.52 | bilarh_ | i thought the lists were down all the time :-) |
| 15:11.02 | wethrin | They're currently running :) |
| 15:11.14 | bilarh_ | hang on then |
| 15:15.46 | Leeds | socialist? |
| 15:18.11 | bilarh_ | wohoo, i'm now officially connected with everything hip and cool in london |
| 15:18.19 | bilarh_ | i.e. i've signed up to the gllug mailing list :-) |
| 15:18.29 | bilarh_ | it better be a high traffic one, or i will be disappointed :) |
| 15:18.46 | Leeds | mmm... pie |
| 15:18.53 | SlayerXP | just say something to cause Juergen to chip in |
| 15:19.06 | bilarh_ | leeds: watch out, it might have kidney or liver in it :-\ |
| 15:19.11 | SlayerXP | and then several people with reply pointing out that he's talking bollocks |
| 15:19.16 | SlayerXP | s/with/will/ |
| 15:19.29 | wethrin | bilarh_: Gllug, or Gllug Social? |
| 15:19.38 | bilarh_ | both |
| 15:19.43 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 15:20.48 | bilarh_ | what's this? |
| 15:20.58 | bilarh_ | there aren't 100s of interesting mails flooding my inbox :( |
| 15:21.04 | bilarh_ | is the list server broken again? |
| 15:21.32 | wethrin | Nah, just Juergen's not posted |
| 15:25.02 | bilarh_ | i love drac... it's now hung on me and refuses to do anything |
| 15:25.06 | bilarh_ | except display my typo |
| 15:25.09 | bilarh_ | cheers drac! |
| 15:25.15 | clive-h | drac? |
| 15:25.32 | bilarh_ | dell remote access crap |
| 15:25.40 | clive-h | Ahhh yah |
| 15:26.03 | clive-h | Tried sending it a Ctrl-q? |
| 15:26.13 | bilarh_ | yep |
| 15:26.30 | wethrin | Proper LOM++ |
| 15:26.42 | wethrin | None of this half-arsed PC hackyness |
| 15:26.43 | clive-h | what model of PowerEdge is it? |
| 15:27.24 | bilarh_ | 175-0 |
| 15:27.27 | bilarh_ | 1750 even |
| 15:27.35 | bilarh_ | i hate dell |
| 15:27.42 | clive-h | Hmmm those do IPMI too |
| 15:27.49 | clive-h | via the BMC |
| 15:28.46 | clive-h | I guess i'd reset the BMC if it hung via IPMI |
| 15:28.50 | bilarh_ | what is this ipmi thing anyway? |
| 15:29.13 | clive-h | It's the new industry standard remote access thing |
| 15:29.18 | bilarh_ | right |
| 15:29.24 | bilarh_ | i power cycled the box instead :-) |
| 15:29.31 | clive-h | Heh |
| 15:30.00 | clive-h | Newer boxes have IPMI and I wouldn't bother with DRAC cards for them |
| 15:30.11 | clive-h | at least for linux |
| 15:30.13 | bilarh_ | so how does that work then? ipmi that is? |
| 15:30.20 | bilarh_ | do you need linux drivers for it, or is it seamless |
| 15:30.20 | bilarh_ | ? |
| 15:30.26 | clive-h | Pretty much like a DRAC does |
| 15:30.36 | wethrin | Industry standard across PCs, then? |
| 15:30.50 | clive-h | Some sun kit implements IPMI |
| 15:30.56 | clive-h | I believe |
| 15:31.00 | wethrin | The opteron stuff? |
| 15:31.18 | clive-h | That would seem to be a reasonable assumption yes |
| 15:32.09 | clive-h | It does serial over lan and stuff |
| 15:32.20 | clive-h | You can reboot via IPMI |
| 15:32.39 | clive-h | Also monitor the environment etc |
| 15:32.43 | wethrin | That's what remote power switches are for :) |
| 15:32.53 | bilarh_ | cool, serial over ethernet is cool |
| 15:33.12 | bilarh_ | so is it a bit like sp then? |
| 15:33.16 | bilarh_ | on the suns? |
| 15:33.25 | clive-h | similar idea |
| 15:33.55 | clive-h | I did IPMI on the servers I built at my last contract |
| 15:34.09 | clive-h | Saved the need for a console server |
| 15:34.39 | clive-h | I had a remote power bar though as well just in case |
| 15:34.51 | bilarh_ | ah :-) |
| 15:34.54 | bilarh_ | remote power is hard core |
| 15:35.05 | clive-h | Never used the power bar |
| 15:35.17 | clive-h | I cycled power etc via IPMI |
| 15:35.21 | bilarh_ | yeah but just having one is scary enough :-) |
| 15:36.03 | clive-h | The company I was working for baulked at having a console server |
| 15:36.10 | clive-h | So I used IPMI instead |
| 15:36.29 | clive-h | I wouldn't bother with a console server again now anyway |
| 15:36.53 | clive-h | IPMI is a much better way |
| 15:38.03 | clive-h | It's been in the kernel for a while now |
| 15:40.31 | bilarh_ | ah, but it requires the kernel to work then does it? |
| 15:40.41 | clive-h | No |
| 15:40.51 | clive-h | It's hardware |
| 15:41.02 | bilarh_ | so what's with the kernel then? |
| 15:41.14 | clive-h | But the kernel interface lets you manipulate the IPMI setup |
| 15:41.21 | clive-h | create users etc |
| 15:41.28 | clive-h | assign IP addresses |
| 15:41.44 | bilarh_ | oh right, cool :) |
| 15:42.07 | clive-h | Rather than having to go to the BIOS and do it offline |
| 15:42.21 | bilarh_ | yeah that's quite convenient |
| 15:42.42 | clive-h | Rather as you can on DRAC cards with the DELL dkms stuff |
| 15:44.03 | clive-h | I did all that during kickstart installs |
| 15:44.27 | bilarh_ | i'm starting to like kickstart, but i wish there was some nice interface to configure it :-) |
| 15:44.39 | bilarh_ | rather than writing it all yourself |
| 15:44.44 | bilarh_ | or modifying the anaconda file |
| 15:44.49 | clive-h | There's ksconfig |
| 15:44.54 | bilarh_ | oh right :P |
| 15:44.56 | clive-h | which is a KDE app |
| 15:45.06 | clive-h | but it's very basic |
| 15:45.24 | clive-h | Not really up to the job |
| 15:45.41 | bilarh_ | i suppose one of the problems is that if you make it so advanced that it's useful, it'll be as complicated to use as vi kickstart.cfg |
| 15:45.49 | bilarh_ | although it may have nicer keybindings, i suppose |
| 15:46.13 | clive-h | Perhaps |
| 15:46.21 | clive-h | It's a bit too basic |
| 15:46.21 | bilarh_ | what we need is a modularized system, so that you have like modules for networking etc |
| 15:46.34 | bilarh_ | and then you could have like a list of modules to pick from |
| 15:46.48 | bilarh_ | like say you had different networking modules etc for different lans |
| 15:46.58 | bilarh_ | and different software setups depending on what machine it is (i.e. different modules |
| 15:47.02 | bilarh_ | ) |
| 15:47.03 | clive-h | You still have to know what you're doing |
| 15:47.08 | clive-h | But yes |
| 15:47.16 | bilarh_ | you could pick and mix the modules and come up with a custom kickstart |
| 15:47.28 | clive-h | I had different setups for web servers , database servers etc |
| 15:47.35 | bilarh_ | and then if you could also have some kind of macro language, you could generate configs on the fly, for a bunch of servers |
| 15:47.47 | bilarh_ | yeah |
| 15:47.50 | clive-h | I did the macro bit |
| 15:47.59 | bilarh_ | what did you use for macros? |
| 15:48.07 | clive-h | perl |
| 15:48.17 | bilarh_ | ah ok.. we're actually using m4 at the moment :-) |
| 15:48.23 | bilarh_ | it works ok, but it's a bit complicated to use :) |
| 15:48.52 | bilarh_ | i'm not a huge fan of m4 actually, it ends up looking like spaghetti eventually imo |
| 15:49.21 | clive-h | heh m4 is odd |
| 15:49.25 | bilarh_ | totally :-) |
| 15:49.34 | clive-h | but i use it it for sendmail |
| 15:49.37 | bilarh_ | it would be cool to have something similar, but something using perl instead |
| 15:49.40 | bilarh_ | yeah it's a must |
| 15:49.48 | bilarh_ | sendmail without m4 is like ... eating kidney pie :-) |
| 15:49.55 | clive-h | quite |
| 15:50.10 | bilarh_ | i can't believe people used to configure sendmail by hand |
| 15:50.22 | bilarh_ | i pity the person who wrote the first config as well :-) |
| 15:50.29 | bilarh_ | although mr allen probably knew what he was doing :) |
| 15:50.36 | bilarh_ | it was allen who wrote sendmail wasn't it? |
| 15:51.00 | clive-h | claus |
| 15:51.05 | bilarh_ | eric allman :) |
| 15:51.13 | clive-h | that's it |
| 15:54.05 | bilarh_ | wohoo, my first gllug mail :D :D |
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| 18:34.49 | gregj | phearless: and unles it's hardware raid, I;m 99% sure neither lilo or grub will be able to use |
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| 19:46.34 | trousers_ | Howdy! |
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| 20:10.54 | flips_and_rails | trousers_, whats that star thing for?? |
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