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| 06:22.46 | JosefAssad | Don't get it; timezoneconverter.com says there's 3 hours between Cairo and GMT. But shouldn't it only be two? What time is it there now? |
| 06:27.03 | clive-h | well |
| 06:27.09 | clive-h | we're in BST now |
| 06:27.18 | JosefAssad | oh, right. Got it |
| 06:27.20 | clive-h | So it's 7:30 ish |
| 06:27.24 | JosefAssad | I was assuming GMT. 2 hours it is |
| 06:27.47 | JosefAssad | Here's my cluebat. Be gentle |
| 06:28.06 | clive-h | So I think 3 hours is right |
| 06:28.16 | JosefAssad | Mental note: no calculus in timezone calculations |
| 06:28.25 | JosefAssad | Eh, nope, 2 hours. 09:23 here |
| 06:28.45 | clive-h | 3 hours is right for GMT |
| 06:28.55 | JosefAssad | for GMT, indeed it is. |
| 06:29.36 | clive-h | It's also much colder here |
| 06:29.54 | clive-h | around 8C currently |
| 06:30.24 | JosefAssad | LOVELY! |
| 06:30.54 | clive-h | It's rather changeable |
| 06:31.02 | clive-h | Was 23C last week |
| 06:31.52 | JosefAssad | that isn't far off from Copenhagen. If I can'þ live there, at least London can emulate the weather for me |
| 06:32.42 | clive-h | Looks overcast again today |
| 06:33.09 | JosefAssad | I think I ave a permanent squint now |
| 06:33.52 | JosefAssad | Eh, the cleaning lady is about to kick me out. Going to my cafe^H^H^H^H office. |
| 06:34.01 | clive-h | heh |
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| 07:10.17 | clive-h | in the office then? |
| 07:11.49 | JosefAssad | yeppers. One of 6 |
| 07:12.47 | JosefAssad | (in cairo; I have 23 microfinance institutions around the region that I call "my office" also) |
| 07:13.23 | clive-h | On a laptop and wifi connection I guess |
| 07:13.34 | JosefAssad | yessir. No mobile devices for me. |
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| 07:13.56 | clive-h | Do you actually sit in the cafe all day? |
| 07:13.57 | JosefAssad | Free wifi is pandemic in Cairo, which is odd because it'ß not very progressive in any other regard |
| 07:14.25 | JosefAssad | Unfortunately, yes. I am a fulltime consultant, and our regional office is in Beirut. Ten wild horses could not get me to move there |
| 07:14.54 | clive-h | That must be a lot of coffee |
| 07:14.59 | JosefAssad | It's a cool job on many levels, I admit. But challenging also on many others. |
| 07:15.34 | JosefAssad | Well, my hands typically start shaking aroud 15:00. Which is when I start tackling work related to our DC and Seattle offices :) Yeah, lot of coffee. |
| 07:16.00 | JosefAssad | It'll be tough as hell finding a replacement when I do leave though :\ |
| 07:16.04 | clive-h | Interesting work style |
| 07:16.30 | JosefAssad | I won't lie to you; I pine for a traditional office environment |
| 07:16.49 | clive-h | I've always worked in an office |
| 07:17.04 | clive-h | Either one provided by my employer |
| 07:17.16 | clive-h | or at home when I've worked from home |
| 07:17.22 | JosefAssad | You would have been doin something not too far off from what I do in that opening I'd mentioned some weeks back. Though you _would_ have had a permanent base |
| 07:17.44 | JosefAssad | Oh, I tried home. Neither the cleaning lady nor the cats would allow it |
| 07:18.03 | clive-h | Heh |
| 07:20.05 | JosefAssad | a guy I know who has been doing what I do for around a decade longer is shockingly well paid. But the lifestyle is just horrendous |
| 07:20.25 | clive-h | I rather expect employers to provide an office, a desk, and indeed coffee making facilities |
| 07:20.33 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 07:20.42 | clive-h | and of course network connectivity |
| 07:21.00 | JosefAssad | My boss was in town when war broke out in Lebanon last summer. Not only was she staying at my place, we also worked together out of cafes |
| 07:21.35 | JosefAssad | not like Grameen can't afford decent digs, but the board is taking its own sweet time to decide where the permanent MENA office will be |
| 07:21.54 | clive-h | When the idiot MS network Manager broke the network and it was down for *3 months* |
| 07:22.13 | clive-h | It was either work from home or a cybercafe |
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| 07:22.19 | clive-h | I chose home |
| 07:22.51 | JosefAssad | they reimbursed, I assume? |
| 07:22.58 | JosefAssad | but jesus, 3 month outage? |
| 07:23.12 | clive-h | The guy was a windows numpty |
| 07:23.22 | clive-h | The leased line broke |
| 07:23.27 | JosefAssad | I was bitching at the Grameen sysadmin for a 5 day website migration |
| 07:23.51 | JosefAssad | (a sysadmin who incidentally part-times as DiCaprio's "tech consultant") |
| 07:23.52 | clive-h | I could have got em on line again in a day I suspect |
| 07:24.15 | clive-h | But I wasn't the Network Admin |
| 07:24.22 | JosefAssad | I have no doubt you could. Incompetence in IT is rarely half-hearted |
| 07:26.01 | JosefAssad | My first gig ever was in a ceramic tile manufacturing company. They had an AS 400 |
| 07:26.01 | clive-h | Ahhh |
| 07:26.01 | JosefAssad | Let me tell you how I discovered that they weren't DBAs and didn't have DB2 installed |
| 07:26.01 | clive-h | Hahah |
| 07:26.01 | JosefAssad | It was so slow that just loging in was 45 minute operation |
| 07:26.01 | clive-h | I can believe that |
| 07:26.01 | clive-h | I used to work for a Council |
| 07:26.01 | JosefAssad | So, one day I just got really pissed off and stormed in to interrogate the IT manager (which I could do, I was dumped straight into a senior position out of university) |
| 07:26.05 | clive-h | We got outsourced |
| 07:26.09 | JosefAssad | we discussed their DB, and th answers seemed a bit odd. |
| 07:26.18 | JosefAssad | So, I asked them if the database was normalized. |
| 07:26.22 | JosefAssad | "Yes, of course!" |
| 07:26.30 | JosefAssad | I asked if they did this regularly. |
| 07:26.39 | JosefAssad | "Of course, sometimes several times a day" |
| 07:26.39 | clive-h | as if they'd know what 3NF was |
| 07:26.47 | JosefAssad | wait, it gets better |
| 07:27.02 | JosefAssad | So, I asked what degree they normalzied to |
| 07:27.04 | JosefAssad | "Oh, many" |
| 07:27.12 | clive-h | haha |
| 07:27.13 | JosefAssad | Me: Like ten? Fifty? |
| 07:27.17 | JosefAssad | "Hundreds!" |
| 07:27.47 | JosefAssad | and these were the people who ran the systems containing info on MY USD 350 million turnover |
| 07:27.59 | clive-h | 6 months in we found that that the first 10 pcs to login worked |
| 07:28.25 | clive-h | and when I finally found the MS droid that knew what they were doing |
| 07:28.52 | clive-h | They'd overlapped the reserved and free DHCP allocations |
| 07:28.59 | JosefAssad | oh jesus |
| 07:29.20 | SlayerXP | i have a more terrifying war story |
| 07:29.21 | clive-h | Must have cost ICL mega amounts of dosh in employee productivity |
| 07:29.31 | SlayerXP | it involved oracle on redhat |
| 07:29.37 | SlayerXP | i.e. someone used oracle on redhat |
| 07:29.40 | JosefAssad | oh, this is gona be good |
| 07:30.11 | JosefAssad | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.18 | clive-h | I once successfully installed Oracle 9 on boxes in Tokyo over the net |
| 07:30.37 | clive-h | Install was a tad slow |
| 07:30.47 | SlayerXP | installing oracle is always slow |
| 07:31.01 | SlayerXP | I had to document installing oracle on debian |
| 07:31.16 | clive-h | java over a slow link is not fun |
| 07:31.30 | SlayerXP | several of the steps were "Wait a very long time, if possible arrange this to be the end of your working day" |
| 07:31.36 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 07:31.37 | SlayerXP | s/over a slow link//; |
| 07:31.57 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: go on, go on |
| 07:32.07 | clive-h | I had SCO oracle 7 running on slackware for ages |
| 07:35.07 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: hmm? |
| 07:35.24 | SlayerXP | that _is_ the war story |
| 07:35.33 | clive-h | Installing oracle on a server in tokyo from London was errrm interesting |
| 07:35.34 | SlayerXP | if you must run Oracle, run it on windows, or solaris. |
| 07:35.45 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: Oh, sorry :) Yes, bad enough. Purple hart winging its way to you |
| 07:35.51 | clive-h | Oracle runs fine on Redhat |
| 07:36.01 | SlayerXP | no, oracle limps horribly on redhat |
| 07:36.08 | SlayerXP | and, in deed, any other linux |
| 07:36.24 | clive-h | and oracle on windows is appalling |
| 07:36.53 | clive-h | I had to fix oracle on NT4 once |
| 07:37.08 | clive-h | Largely on the basis "oh you know Oracle" |
| 07:37.26 | clive-h | It was very challenging |
| 07:38.28 | clive-h | Oracle on linux is much better now there's support for AIO |
| 07:38.56 | JosefAssad | I had an engineer who - new to linux - wasted two nights trying to get it up on mandriva |
| 07:39.19 | clive-h | errk |
| 07:39.30 | clive-h | It takes a while under any circs |
| 07:39.39 | clive-h | But two days is a bit much |
| 07:40.19 | JosefAssad | trying != succeeding |
| 07:40.28 | JosefAssad | I fired him a few months later. |
| 07:40.34 | clive-h | Oh gawd |
| 07:41.30 | clive-h | I recall a Pyramid 'specialist' taking 5 days to install Oracle on a DC/OSx machine |
| 07:41.47 | clive-h | But that did involve QIC tape install media |
| 07:42.40 | SlayerXP | i need some cunning plans to get more customers. |
| 07:42.52 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: type of business? |
| 07:43.12 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: http://www.antibodymx.net/ |
| 07:44.35 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: do you have any dumbed down marketing materials? |
| 07:44.46 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: something for PHBs to go "ooooo shiny!"? |
| 07:45.14 | SlayerXP | errm |
| 07:45.21 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: http://www.antibodymx.net/antibody-overview.pdf perhaps |
| 07:46.15 | SlayerXP | i suspect that's not very dumbed down |
| 07:46.17 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: hm, okay |
| 07:46.34 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: how are you marketing your service/product? |
| 07:46.58 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: word of mouth and referral invenctives |
| 07:47.04 | SlayerXP | so, in effect, we're not |
| 07:47.08 | JosefAssad | okay |
| 07:47.15 | SlayerXP | incentives |
| 07:47.21 | JosefAssad | So, off the top of my head here. |
| 07:48.05 | JosefAssad | That pdf looks amateurish. I know that a snazzy brochure does not make a solid solution, but you know how IT procurement works. |
| 07:48.14 | SlayerXP | it's amateurish because an amateur created it. |
| 07:48.15 | SlayerXP | i.e. me |
| 07:48.17 | JosefAssad | There's competing services I'm sure. do you offer a service level or guarantee of some sort? |
| 07:48.36 | JosefAssad | Yes, don't defend yourself, I'm not critiquing you, I'm giving you input :) |
| 07:48.44 | SlayerXP | not so much an SLA as triple redundancy |
| 07:49.15 | SlayerXP | i.e. three seperate boxes on three seperate networks would have to go away before mail stopped being processed |
| 07:49.16 | JosefAssad | alright. It may be a way to differentiate yourself to say "99% reduction in spam, 0% false positives, 200% golden rainbows" |
| 07:49.39 | SlayerXP | all three points would be a lie, however :) |
| 07:49.48 | JosefAssad | Yes, I'm sure you got a good product. But you would want to communicate that in a way a big cheese would appreciate. |
| 07:49.51 | SlayerXP | _this_ is why I'm bad at marketing |
| 07:50.10 | JosefAssad | There's lies, and then there's careful choice of language. |
| 07:50.49 | JosefAssad | So, the first observation restated would be to tell people not what your product does in absolute terms, but how it would change things for them. |
| 07:51.11 | SlayerXP | that I can appreciate. |
| 07:51.20 | SlayerXP | "your life will suck less because...." |
| 07:52.14 | JosefAssad | So, instead of "we do bayesian filtering" we say "your computer will train itself to detect new types of spam" |
| 07:52.20 | JosefAssad | yes. Address need. |
| 07:53.09 | JosefAssad | Instead of "vipul's razor" we say "your system automatically reports spammers to official tracking systems" for example |
| 07:53.17 | JosefAssad | I know it looks dumb, but that is kind of the idea. |
| 07:53.46 | JosefAssad | It hurts me to write stuff like that, but that is how you get people telling other people more knowledgeable in IT to go out and buy this or that |
| 07:54.17 | clive-h | you mean less knowledgable surely |
| 07:54.22 | JosefAssad | My first job, they didn't want a mysql machine screenscraping off the AS400 until I dumped that now famous business week issue on the chairmans desk |
| 07:54.23 | clive-h | Like managers |
| 07:54.30 | ranner | SlayerXP: could you give me a rough idea on prices? |
| 07:54.31 | JosefAssad | clive-h: no, more. |
| 07:54.57 | SlayerXP | ranner: are you a person or a business? |
| 07:55.01 | JosefAssad | clive-h: Bigger orgs, it is never the most knowledgeable making the purchasing decisions. |
| 07:55.06 | ranner | SlayerXP: (for the antibodymx stuff) |
| 07:55.17 | ranner | SlayerXP: I'm a business |
| 07:55.18 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 07:55.37 | JosefAssad | clive-h: bigger orgs also think less about the cost, making it more time efficient for SlayerXP to favor them in his client pool. |
| 07:56.01 | clive-h | Sure |
| 07:56.23 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: Once I'm through with the speech I have to deliver in Yemen around the middle of next month, I'll take some time and cook something up for you. That brochure doesn't work |
| 07:56.28 | SlayerXP | ranner: 30 day free trial, then £299+VAT per year for "typical" mail volumes. |
| 07:56.31 | clive-h | I'm a techie I ask awkward questions when people sell me things |
| 07:56.52 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: okay, I'm sure we come up with some way of compensating you for your time |
| 07:57.09 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: Nope. None of that. |
| 07:57.23 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: a beer, if I get around to doing it. |
| 07:57.45 | SlayerXP | fair enough |
| 07:58.18 | JosefAssad | I might have an older brochure I did for the open source consultancy I co-founded lying around... |
| 07:59.50 | JosefAssad | eh, looks b0rked in evince... |
| 08:00.28 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: it's unlikely my firewall will allow that. email instead? |
| 08:00.37 | JosefAssad | sure. addy? |
| 08:00.50 | SlayerXP | martin@antibodymx.net |
| 08:01.43 | ranner | SlayerXP: I'll send you an email to save clogging up #gllug with questions... |
| 08:01.47 | SlayerXP | okay. |
| 08:02.27 | clive-h | evince seems to render some pdfs badly |
| 08:06.18 | bilarh | josefassad: what famous business week article? |
| 08:06.40 | JosefAssad | bilarh: remember that drawing of tux with a flyswatter looking at the msn butterfly logo? |
| 08:06.47 | JosefAssad | bilarh: that was a businessweek cover. |
| 08:06.48 | bilarh | no :-) |
| 08:06.56 | bilarh | oh hehe :) |
| 08:08.31 | JosefAssad | bilarh: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm |
| 08:09.17 | JosefAssad | bilarh: the cover in question: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822602_tc102.htm |
| 08:13.10 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: there's a whole class of revenue streams built around backing up open source with service levels and guarantees. Worth thinking about in your case, methinks |
| 08:15.46 | JosefAssad | "Our service is free so long as the spam caught is below 95%" is an example. Which actually works for you, since clients who see lots of spam coming through can help you train the filters better. |
| 08:16.10 | JosefAssad | s/95/\$WHATEVER_PERCENTAGE_YOU_WORK_OUT/ |
| 08:16.22 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: that would be exceedingly hard to meter. |
| 08:16.43 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: we did once offer extensive reports, the sheer quantity of data made is prohibitive however. |
| 08:17.09 | JosefAssad | just an off the top of head example of the concept. Service/performance levels. |
| 08:18.22 | JosefAssad | Does anyone do ad supported spam filtering? |
| 08:18.36 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: http://www.antibodymx.net/hinterlands-snapshot.html |
| 08:18.53 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: "spam supported spam filtering"? :) |
| 08:19.27 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: differentiation :) Before google, people would have called google spam supported search egine. |
| 08:20.21 | JosefAssad | "This email was vetted against the antibodymx email securty engine. Greetz to our sponsors, CDC" |
| 08:20.27 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: I really would like to buy a mailing list, but I can;t find a way of putting a positive spin on "here's an email you didn't ask for advertising a way of blocking email you didn't ask for" :) |
| 08:21.09 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: em, yes, that may be going a bit far :) Hi, I sent you a spam so you'd, um, buy my... spam filtering solution? |
| 08:21.41 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: that PDF won't open here. |
| 08:21.47 | JosefAssad | cascading discounts for referrals? |
| 08:21.59 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: what pdf viewer? |
| 08:22.08 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: that's already unofficially done, via brown envelopes. |
| 08:23.00 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: offer it for free to very hih profile clients? |
| 08:23.44 | JosefAssad | I know you have free trials. This isn't free trials. This is "Hi, here, it'ß yours. Welcome to the testimonials section of my brochure" |
| 08:25.48 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: xpdf |
| 08:26.12 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: sure, the problem with high profile clients is the high volume of mail that comes with it |
| 08:26.43 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: how is that a problem? They using it hosted? |
| 08:27.01 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: try arcoread or evince |
| 08:27.08 | JosefAssad | xpdf should b taken out back and shot |
| 08:27.10 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: _we_ host it. it's all our hardware and bandwidth |
| 08:29.01 | JosefAssad | you know, there is that advantage to ad-supported. It scales with your traffic volume, which is proportional to how your overall business scales. |
| 08:30.06 | JosefAssad | Do you append anything like "Thi email was scanned by antibodymx" to emails passing through your system? |
| 08:30.25 | SlayerXP | evince won't touch it either. I'll look later on a windows box |
| 08:30.46 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: no, and that's actually _really_ hard to do properly. |
| 08:30.46 | JosefAssad | then there might be a problem with the pdf, SlayerXP. evince likes it just fine here. |
| 08:31.04 | SlayerXP | martin@thunkpod:~$ md5sum itsyn_brochure-02.pdf |
| 08:31.05 | SlayerXP | 27a09d46b718055afed421406979c012 itsyn_brochure-02.pdf |
| 08:31.06 | JosefAssad | I know it is, but that is a technical issue and not a marketing issue. |
| 08:31.26 | JosefAssad | b4eae43b1d6fbeb9fdb9f80efc5e350d |
| 08:31.31 | JosefAssad | right. pdf problem |
| 08:31.34 | SlayerXP | resend. |
| 08:31.58 | JosefAssad | where does cpanel sit? port 2082 or 2083? |
| 08:32.09 | SlayerXP | no idea. |
| 08:32.11 | JosefAssad | 2 |
| 08:34.27 | JosefAssad | uploading to my hosting service. |
| 08:34.45 | JosefAssad | Have to call folks at BBC; biab |
| 08:34.46 | SlayerXP | ranner: did you mail? |
| 08:36.04 | SlayerXP | oops, I killed him |
| 08:36.29 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: http://sancairodicopenhagen.com/itsyn_brochure-02.pdf |
| 08:36.56 | SlayerXP | that works. |
| 08:36.58 | SlayerXP | oooh, shiny. |
| 08:37.14 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: you can get better, but that is one man for 2 days flat. |
| 08:37.25 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: so if I get some time, I'll make you owe me a beer |
| 08:37.28 | SlayerXP | rounded boxes: check |
| 08:37.45 | SlayerXP | pictures of LEDS: check |
| 08:37.54 | SlayerXP | exciting words: check |
| 08:38.13 | JosefAssad | UK is +44, right? |
| 08:38.19 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 08:40.55 | JosefAssad | sabdit nandraoh crap. The HR person is out |
| 08:41.44 | JosefAssad | erh... |
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| 08:46.09 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: point being, that pdf is something an idiot can peruse. Idiots sometimes make procurement decisions or recommendations |
| 08:53.11 | clive-h | and pdf is cross platform |
| 08:53.40 | JosefAssad | well, pdf is what scribus gives, also. That's where that doc was birthed |
| 08:54.17 | clive-h | i'd use openoffice |
| 08:54.32 | JosefAssad | I see that you did, in fact. |
| 08:54.48 | JosefAssad | oo.o is good for memos. Not for brochures. |
| 08:55.07 | clive-h | It'll write pdfs |
| 08:55.28 | JosefAssad | I know. But if you look at an oo.o pdf, you can tell it came from a word processor and not a DTP |
| 08:56.48 | JosefAssad | DTP just looks more professional. Probably partially because DTP materiel usually costs money, implying mrketing budget/people, giving an indirect impression of a reputable business. |
| 08:57.33 | clive-h | heh |
| 08:57.57 | JosefAssad | I know that sucks. |
| 08:57.58 | clive-h | I think the last time I used a DTP program was on my Amiga 500 |
| 08:58.16 | JosefAssad | clive-h: must say I don't particularly enjoy it, but the results are often worth it |
| 08:59.08 | clive-h | I'll have to look at scribus |
| 08:59.27 | JosefAssad | clive-h: it ca be pretty flaky; you have been warned. |
| 08:59.50 | clive-h | I don't need it for anything serious |
| 09:00.04 | JosefAssad | save often. Avoid tears |
| 09:00.31 | clive-h | Though I suspect it can wait till F7 ships gold tomorrow |
| 09:00.38 | JosefAssad | and for heaven's sake use layers and styles |
| 09:01.07 | clive-h | Since I'll reinstall |
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| 09:04.34 | clive-h | Looks like the old DTP I used |
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| 10:22.35 | JosefAssad | hm, doesn't look like there would be any good free danish-english dictinaries... |
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| 12:53.28 | gregj | jon_n: wow |
| 13:37.19 | boudiccas | microsofts new computer ....... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6703249.stm |
| 13:38.14 | wethrin | What happens when someone spills coffee? |
| 13:38.50 | dick_turpin | A panel opens and Bill pops out and mops it up |
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| 14:16.51 | gregj | hey ,I've seen it 2 years ago |
| 14:16.56 | gregj | it was running linux underneeth |
| 14:17.06 | gregj | maybe the wanks just bouthg it |
| 14:17.58 | SlayerXP | woohoo |
| 14:18.03 | SlayerXP | juergen's back! |
| 14:18.05 | SlayerXP | I missed him |
| 14:26.02 | wethrin | Heh. But he's actually posted at least one message with useful content |
| 14:26.47 | SlayerXP | that's the exception, not the norm |
| 14:26.53 | wethrin | Indeed. |
| 14:26.59 | wethrin | He's just been mentioned over on #london.pm |
| 14:27.11 | SlayerXP | on this network? |
| 14:27.17 | SlayerXP | or i.p.o |
| 14:27.23 | wethrin | second one |
| 14:27.33 | wethrin | Well, Joel mentioned him wrt gllug |
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| 14:41.26 | wethrin | Apparently Juergen's sometime here on IRC, as adminjn |
| 14:41.27 | wethrin | Er |
| 14:41.30 | wethrin | *adminjs |
| 14:46.58 | JosefAssad | okay, this is crap. My fiancee just got thumbs down for that job she interviewed for in London couple of weeks ago |
| 14:47.21 | wethrin | boo |
| 14:53.48 | wethrin | We could just start bashing Gentoo :) |
| 14:54.24 | antiphase | Anything to see how far we can push his total absence of logic and spelling |
| 14:54.39 | wethrin | He's not a native speaker, so spelling is a bit more forgivable |
| 14:55.03 | antiphase | Stupidity is universal though ;) |
| 14:55.08 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 14:55.22 | wethrin | Not that I was particularly pleased with Debian last night |
| 14:56.15 | JosefAssad | what happened with debian? |
| 14:56.30 | wethrin | I was trying to compile iscsitarget |
| 14:57.12 | wethrin | Installed linux-source, and untarred it. The build still failed. Turned out I needed to install linux-kbuild to have appropriate scripts |
| 14:57.29 | SlayerXP | you also need the deiban kernel patches package |
| 14:57.33 | SlayerXP | debian |
| 14:57.38 | antiphase | Is iSCSI even vaguely usable under Linux yet? |
| 14:57.41 | wethrin | However, the build then failed because it couldn't find the source |
| 14:57.45 | antiphase | The project page look dead |
| 14:57.53 | wethrin | http://iscsitarget.sourceforge.net |
| 14:57.55 | wethrin | It's not dead |
| 14:58.04 | wethrin | Last release was about 6 weeks ago |
| 14:58.19 | antiphase | What about the initiator? |
| 14:58.20 | wethrin | So after a wee bit of shuffling directories around, it ended up working |
| 14:58.25 | wethrin | Don't know about that |
| 14:58.41 | antiphase | There are always Windows Vista clients I suppose |
| 14:58.43 | wethrin | When I tried that one, the daemon a) didn't fork into the background, and b) didn't honour a ^C |
| 14:59.26 | clive-h | ^Z |
| 14:59.35 | clive-h | kill -9 %n |
| 14:59.45 | wethrin | I can't remember if that worked or not |
| 14:59.49 | wethrin | ISTR it didn't either |
| 14:59.56 | wethrin | So I had to kill it from elsewhere |
| 15:00.03 | wethrin | Otherwise I would have done it |
| 15:00.10 | clive-h | Then the process must have blocked on I/O |
| 15:00.19 | JosefAssad | psdoom, I keep on telling ye |
| 15:00.46 | wethrin | A kill worked fine |
| 15:01.00 | wethrin | I suspect it was locked scanning around for iscsi targets |
| 15:06.58 | boudiccas | "Are you going to come quietly, or do I have to use earplugs?" Spike Milligan |
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| 15:27.26 | z00dax | I am getting joe-jobbed |
| 15:27.26 | wethrin | pkill sendmail |
| 15:27.27 | clive-h | joe-jobbed? |
| 15:27.27 | z00dax | why ? |
| 15:27.44 | wethrin | Then remove any catch-all mailboxes |
| 15:27.48 | z00dax | humm maybe I should stop accepting emails for *@karan.org |
| 15:27.48 | clive-h | I like sendmail |
| 15:27.54 | z00dax | wethrin: yes |
| 15:28.02 | wethrin | Or ask SlayerXP nicely to beat up the spammers for you |
| 15:28.12 | z00dax | clive-h: joe-job : someone sending emails as me or from my domain - and its not me, so lots and lots of bounces come back |
| 15:28.32 | clive-h | Oh yeah that's annoying |
| 15:28.40 | z00dax | i might need to stop my MX backup's |
| 15:29.22 | wethrin | that tends to help |
| 15:29.29 | clive-h | SMTP sadly has had it's day |
| 15:29.39 | wethrin | And hence is never going to be replacefd |
| 15:31.02 | antiphase | Drop bounces. Problem solved. |
| 15:31.47 | clive-h | smtp belongs to a bygone age |
| 15:31.50 | z00dax | cyrus! ftw |
| 15:32.03 | z00dax | new account catchall - and now sending all misc emails there |
| 15:32.11 | clive-h | when people on the net trusted each other |
| 15:32.19 | wethrin | If we all installed Exchange, it wouldn't be a problem |
| 15:32.31 | z00dax | or go back to using uucp |
| 15:32.31 | wethrin | It'd fall over or drop mails before joe-jobbing because a problem |
| 15:33.04 | clive-h | I fronted Exchange with a sendmail server last time I had to do that |
| 15:33.09 | clive-h | eeep |
| 15:33.12 | clive-h | uucp |
| 15:33.22 | clive-h | I remember uucp |
| 15:33.26 | clive-h | and x25 |
| 15:33.30 | wethrin | Ex-orkplace had sendmail fronting Lotus^WIBM Domino |
| 15:34.28 | clive-h | I'm not sure I can accurately recall my X.400 address |
| 15:35.41 | clive-h | Some of my boxes were X.25 but not Ethernet |
| 15:36.01 | clive-h | The DRS/400s not the DRS/400Es |
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| 15:52.37 | JosefAssad | alright, so where's a good cheap place to crash for a couple of nights in London? |
| 15:52.48 | JosefAssad | (besides the gutter; don't want a dirty jacket) |
| 15:53.24 | boudiccas | youth hostels association |
| 15:54.15 | JosefAssad | biab |
| 15:57.47 | clive-h | there's some cheap hotels in the Ambassador group just south of Euston |
| 15:58.08 | clive-h | Fairly basic but clean I gather |
| 15:58.41 | clive-h | I live in London so I've never stayed in a London hotel |
| 16:00.03 | hali | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6698753.stm |
| 16:01.00 | hali | Tinky Winky likes the sossidge |
| 16:03.25 | wethrin | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6704109.stm - that sausage? |
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| 17:53.40 | morsing | AnneC! |
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| 18:57.59 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 19:02.37 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 20:12.36 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 21:26.46 | hali | is it just me or is the movie on five not actually Saving privae ryan as advertised |
| 21:47.54 | wethrin | I don't get Five here |
| 21:48.09 | wethrin | This region of the north-east is too poor to afford a proper transmitter |
| 21:48.30 | clive-h | I get Five and Freeview ok on a set top aerial |
| 21:48.44 | wethrin | I bet you're not in the sticks |
| 21:49.13 | clive-h | SE London/N Kent |
| 21:49.29 | wethrin | Sort-of sticks. By London standards |
| 21:49.39 | clive-h | It is yes |
| 21:50.05 | clive-h | on a hill |
| 21:50.09 | wethrin | Not by rest-of-UK standards |
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