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| 08:56.00 | mumperer | Morning peoples :) |
| 08:59.41 | mumperer | I have spent an hour fruitfully getting eth0 and eth1 configured - much to my surprise. Even got my allotted and convoluted ISP e-mail address working properly. Now for firestarter ... (or perhaps not - cup final?) :-P |
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| 10:00.54 | mumperer | An intriguing sight - system monitor shows, in answer to my curiosity in response to occasional thrashing of the HD, the CPU history shows for CPU1 and cpu2 variations between 1 and 100%. cpu2 shows 100% most. Is this to be expected? Firestarter is active and shows no attacks. :-/ |
| 10:03.17 | mumperer | Firestarter shows as sit0 an ipv6 tunnel - relevant? |
| 10:43.10 | mumperer | Anybody got any ideas on the issues I mention above? Still having a race every ten minutes or so ... |
| 10:57.18 | rhowe_ | mumperer: You'll have sit0 if you have IPv6 compiled into your kernel |
| 10:57.27 | rhowe_ | mumperer: If you don't use IPv6, don't worry about it |
| 10:58.24 | rhowe | mumperer: As for the load spike, can't tell from that.. you'll probably need to run top or something to see what's causing the spike in activity. That it's only one CPU which pegs at 100% suggests that it's a single threaded activity |
| 11:01.10 | Ch0Hag | Is there a mod-proxy for apache 1? |
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| 11:10.40 | Ch0Hag | Or some other way to redirect a particular vhost to another machine. |
| 11:11.19 | z00dax | mo_rewrite ? |
| 11:11.21 | z00dax | mod_ |
| 11:12.05 | rhowe | Ch0Hag: Yes, there is a mod_proxy |
| 11:12.19 | rhowe | Ch0Hag: It does both forward and reverse proxying |
| 11:14.55 | Ch0Hag | For apache 1? |
| 11:15.01 | Ch0Hag | I know there's one for apache 2. |
| 11:15.30 | Ch0Hag | Oh wait - it's libproxy.so not mod_ploxy.so... |
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| 12:10.24 | kjalil | morning |
| 12:10.38 | geospart | morning |
| 12:10.51 | boudiccas | morning |
| 12:11.02 | geospart | 'yawn' |
| 12:11.04 | kjalil | hey boudiccas |
| 12:11.22 | kjalil | boudiccas: sorry to hear about the job not working out for you |
| 12:11.24 | boudiccas | kjalil; what? it wasn't me, i wasn't there... i plead not guilty |
| 12:11.30 | boudiccas | :) |
| 12:11.41 | boudiccas | such is life, there'll be other ones |
| 12:11.55 | kjalil | what kind of personality do they need for a tape changer? |
| 12:12.36 | boudiccas | seems like outgoing extrovert! and although i'm extrovert when i want to be, i wasn't in the interview |
| 12:13.18 | boudiccas | but then it was a strange interview, we didn't sit down at all, it was done whilst walking around |
| 12:13.31 | kjalil | boudiccas: yeah, that happens |
| 12:13.55 | kjalil | hmm interesting, a very hands on approach |
| 12:13.57 | boudiccas | it really threw me, first time i've expereinced it |
| 12:14.06 | kjalil | must be what they are looking for in the job perhaps |
| 12:14.21 | boudiccas | quite possibly |
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| 12:33.06 | mikejw | afternoon |
| 12:48.30 | boudiccas | afternoon :) |
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| 14:28.27 | gregj | gj.pointblue.com.pl/timetest.tar.bz2 |
| 14:28.46 | gregj | if you guys have non-linux unix machines ,please run this for me, and send me results to gj@zlew.org with uname -a |
| 14:28.49 | gregj | thanks |
| 14:30.20 | antiphase | Is it a botnet kit? |
| 14:30.37 | gregj | there's source included, take a look |
| 14:30.37 | gregj | :) |
| 14:31.06 | gregj | you don't think that I would spread botnets here, heh. you are here not long enough to know me, than |
| 14:31.50 | hali | what does it do then? |
| 14:32.23 | hali | i can try it on opensolaris if you want |
| 14:32.30 | hali | if you tell me what it does |
| 14:32.43 | gregj | it calls gettimeofday many times, and compares to previous return values |
| 14:32.56 | gregj | in a nutshell, it tests time skews on platform/OS |
| 14:33.16 | hali | the Makefile didn't work with sun make, had to use gmake |
| 14:33.29 | hali | my test is pretty skewed... running i n vwmare |
| 14:33.43 | gregj | on linux it hapepnds very often (about 4-10 times on X cases) that time you get is in past, compared to previous gettimeofday |
| 14:33.52 | gregj | cc timetest.c -o timetest |
| 14:34.01 | hali | gnu make was fine |
| 14:34.04 | gregj | ok |
| 14:34.10 | hali | failed 4 on 10000000 iterations |
| 14:34.23 | gregj | ok, this is x86 ? |
| 14:34.28 | hali | x86_64 |
| 14:34.32 | gregj | alright |
| 14:34.35 | hali | a core2duo t7200 |
| 14:34.58 | gregj | if someone has sparc sunos, freebsd, openbsd, and others , please do run it |
| 14:35.08 | gregj | but i suspect efets are going to be simillar across |
| 14:35.08 | hali | i can run it on sparc |
| 14:35.16 | hali | how's a quad cpu sun v490? |
| 14:35.24 | gregj | I did run it on my sparc, but I have linux on it only |
| 14:35.27 | hali | or hm, better not use that... v480 is all i've got in non-prod |
| 14:35.31 | gregj | cpus don't matter too much here |
| 14:35.35 | gregj | this isn't speed bench |
| 14:37.17 | hali | 2 failures on sparc solaris 10 |
| 14:39.01 | hali | 2-3 failures on amd64 solaris 10 |
| 14:39.38 | gregj | so it is funny, because it turns out that you shouldn't relly on gettimeofday too much |
| 14:40.01 | gregj | the way clocks are handled in todays hardware is at least strange |
| 14:41.04 | gregj | I don't have windows box, but outcome is probably simillar on the platform |
| 14:41.29 | gregj | it is just aproximation at the end of day |
| 14:43.21 | boudiccas | gregj; my clock is accurate, i check it with the 1800 chimes every day |
| 14:43.43 | boudiccas | ntpd keeps it accurate by polling time servers 2-3 times a day |
| 14:44.35 | gregj | this isn't about that |
| 14:44.36 | gregj | anyhow |
| 14:56.20 | gregj | what does 'wielding' means ? |
| 15:08.00 | Leeds | holding, in the sense of a weapon, or maybe a tool |
| 15:08.15 | Leeds | you would go into battle wielding a sword |
| 15:08.57 | rhowe | Leeds: Your book was quite good, btw. Want it back? I have a book which acts as a good counterpoint too |
| 15:10.37 | Leeds | I hope you're not talking about freakonomics... |
| 15:11.10 | rhowe | Leeds: Nope, "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" |
| 15:11.22 | Leeds | sounds familiar |
| 15:11.39 | Leeds | you could go into battle wielding a welder, if you wanted to be nasty |
| 15:11.40 | rhowe | Leeds: Freakonomics is just more of the same as The Undercover Economist, just applying economics to things which wouldn't normally be looked at using economic theory |
| 15:12.38 | Leeds | not quite - the point of the undercover economist is to show that things you may not fully understand are covered and explained by economics... freakonomics is using economic principles for non-economic situations |
| 15:12.56 | Leeds | anyway |
| 15:15.26 | rhowe | hmm.. |
| 15:15.31 | rhowe | I could go to Copenhagen for free |
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| 15:57.17 | Ch0Hag | Damn damn damn! |
| 15:57.26 | Ch0Hag | Three chickatrices and no gloves. |
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| 21:00.21 | hali | anyone know of a good (small) cms/portal software? |
| 21:00.37 | hali | i just need a news feed and a couple of links |
| 21:00.46 | hali | which i could write myself when i think of it.. but still :) |
| 21:17.05 | z00dax | hali: vim ? |
| 21:18.19 | hali | i could do that, but that means i would have to maintain it |
| 21:18.33 | hali | it's for my companies new QA-testing initative |
| 21:19.22 | hali | so i can see the little portal becoming a more and more important and requring more and more features |
| 21:19.39 | hali | or i could just tell them to sod off and just use our wiki |
| 21:20.14 | z00dax | qa testing, perhaps a project oriented setup like Trac ? |
| 21:20.34 | z00dax | you get wiki and issue tracking for free, and the ability to look at code and attach stuff there easily. |
| 21:20.42 | hali | we have a dotProject site |
| 21:20.58 | hali | but hm, if i get *all* those things in one site with Trac it might be worth looking in to |
| 21:21.29 | hali | and i think they plan to use Jira for actuall Issue tracking |
| 21:21.51 | hali | this is bascially for people to have a channel to announce new releases to our India based QA team |
| 21:21.53 | z00dax | ibot: what is jira ? |
| 21:22.12 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, z00dax |
| 21:22.17 | z00dax | ibot: ok |
| 21:22.20 | ibot | fine |
| 21:22.20 | hali | commerical issue tracking software written in java, integrates with perforce |
| 21:22.35 | hali | it looks pretty good |
| 21:22.43 | hali | do the same thing as time tracker |
| 21:22.50 | hali | no |
| 21:22.58 | hali | it's called Requeste Tracker isn't it? |
| 21:22.59 | hali | yes |
| 21:23.03 | hali | -e |
| 21:23.50 | z00dax | RT, is a solid pain in the bum if you ever want to change things around |
| 21:24.21 | hali | indeed |
| 21:24.27 | hali | we had a demo of RT up for a month or so |
| 21:24.33 | hali | people hate it already |
| 21:24.45 | hali | jira looks a lot better, but is a few grand |
| 21:25.12 | hali | im tempted to do a test install of plain old postnuke |
| 21:28.45 | z00dax | its been years since i head of anyone really use postnuke |
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| 21:30.14 | clive-h | heh postnuke |
| 21:30.21 | clive-h | that's quite old |
| 21:30.59 | z00dax | its been ages |
| 21:31.06 | z00dax | clive-h: how'se that job hunting going |
| 21:31.13 | hali | phpNuke ftw! :) |
| 21:31.17 | clive-h | nothing much yet |
| 21:31.20 | hali | just scrolled by on freshmeat |
| 21:31.45 | clive-h | i thought drupal was the cms flavour de jour |
| 21:32.11 | hali | isn't that written in perl? |
| 21:32.22 | clive-h | yes |
| 21:32.31 | hali | big no-no then |
| 21:32.35 | z00dax | drupal is in perl ? or php ? |
| 21:32.49 | clive-h | actually i dunno |
| 21:33.03 | clive-h | i'm a sysadmin not a webdev |
| 21:33.37 | clive-h | drupal is php |
| 21:34.12 | hali | drupal seems to be quite activly developed at least |
| 21:34.17 | z00dax | the only reason why i know is that its one of the commonly hacked apps - that along with mambo |
| 21:34.31 | hali | i can have flickr integration :) |
| 21:34.35 | z00dax | and it keeps coming up in the emails on centos.org : my server got hacked, centos is shit. |
| 21:34.59 | z00dax | I've now got a canned reply for those : were you using selinux ? when was the last time you updated your machine ? |
| 21:35.18 | clive-h | hmmm |
| 21:35.36 | clive-h | i turn selinux off |
| 21:35.44 | hali | i turn selinux off |
| 21:36.06 | hali | i have it enabled on our mail-relays .. it took me about a week to get postfix to play nicely |
| 21:37.30 | z00dax | humm |
| 21:37.40 | clive-h | I'll have another play witth selinux when FC7 ships |
| 21:37.41 | z00dax | we should have a talk on selinux then, selinux for the rest of us |
| 21:38.05 | z00dax | its a lot easier in C5, now that there are real tools to help with the policy that dont segfault unless everything is setup just right |
| 21:39.03 | rhowe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_tXcRYOYZ0&NR=1 |
| 21:39.18 | clive-h | that would be very interesting |
| 21:39.38 | clive-h | i certainly feel i should know more about selinux |
| 21:39.48 | clive-h | but it was a pain when it shipped |
| 21:39.54 | hali | indeed |
| 21:39.58 | hali | a talk sounds like a good idea |
| 21:41.58 | clive-h | DAC and MAC for linux is good |
| 21:41.59 | clive-h | rather like Trusted Solaris |
| 21:42.38 | hali | i much prefer rbacs over selinux |
| 21:42.50 | hali | but thats probably just because i've used rbacs more |
| 21:44.24 | clive-h | there's a conceptual shift for rbacs |
| 21:44.56 | clive-h | and anything similar |
| 21:45.50 | clive-h | and a performance hit too |
| 21:46.37 | z00dax | rhowe: apparmour is quite interesting as well - but the problem with that : there is no mass adoption anywhere - so while its a good thing to know about and have, unless you want to do the gentoo thing and have your very own unique machine in the word - its not really of much use in production as yet |
| 21:46.48 | z00dax | selinux has the advantage of the entire US Govt now adopting it |
| 21:46.58 | z00dax | lots of vendors in that market space |
| 21:47.03 | clive-h | it was written by the nsa |
| 21:47.24 | z00dax | yup, they are still quite active in the development of that |
| 21:47.24 | rhowe | z00dax: Well I've only seen apparmour, never used selinux and never heard of rbacs :) |
| 21:47.50 | z00dax | role based acl's |
| 21:47.50 | rhowe | z00dax: Set up some new kit at work yesteday, btw |
| 21:47.50 | clive-h | rbacs was an early linux project |
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| 21:48.02 | z00dax | rhowe: new kit ? as in you guys finally got a P-3 ? |
| 21:48.09 | rhowe | z00dax: Network refactoring, I guess you could call it |
| 21:48.15 | clive-h | rbac which is similar for solaris |
| 21:48.39 | clive-h | is integral on solaris 9/10/11 |
| 21:48.48 | z00dax | i think pretty much everyone I know who's ever used rbac on linux has had roots or spent jailtime with solaris / sunos |
| 21:48.56 | rhowe | z00dax: Before, we had a single Compaq ML330 firewall box with 2 Sangoma ADSL cards and 3 NICs. It did routing, NAT, firewalling, IPsec, DHCP for the office, hosted our public DNS zones and probably some other stuff too that I've forgotten already |
| 21:49.19 | z00dax | an ML330 ? wow... |
| 21:49.26 | clive-h | i'm proud of my non-linux experience |
| 21:49.51 | clive-h | i was using unix long before linux existed |
| 21:50.10 | rhowe | z00dax: Now we have the ML330 with the two ADSL cards in and one NIC (the other two are still there, but unused), 2 DL320 G5s with OpenBSD (4.0 - need to update already!) which do the routing and talk OSPF to the ML330 |
| 21:50.32 | rhowe | z00dax: We also have another Linux box (old desktop) which has a leased line card in it also talking OSPF |
| 21:50.49 | z00dax | not me really, i did spend a few weeks on vms and then about a month on SCO ODS, but linux was the first real *nix that I installed on my machines and pretty much has stayed the backbone of my *nix experience. |
| 21:50.51 | rhowe | z00dax: So we're finally multihomed, and the office finally has a pair of gateway boxes set up with carp for failover |
| 21:50.54 | hali | ospf can be annoying |
| 21:51.21 | z00dax | I've done some Ais and solaris in the mean time, and some HPUX-11 as well, but not on my own machines, |
| 21:51.22 | clive-h | My firsr unix was Microport SVR2.3 on a 286 circa 1986 |
| 21:51.26 | clive-h | first |
| 21:51.27 | z00dax | and that OSF/1 thing on my Alpha |
| 21:51.44 | hali | use recently switches to eigrp, but i think that cisco propriertry |
| 21:51.50 | hali | we* |
| 21:51.50 | rhowe | hali: Yeah, it is |
| 21:52.09 | rhowe | hali: Well this is quagga on the ML330 and OpenOSPFd on the OpenBSD boxes |
| 21:52.25 | rhowe | hali: Quagga in Debian stable is buggy as hell when it comes to OSPF |
| 21:52.26 | z00dax | humm quagga is a bit fiffly |
| 21:52.29 | clive-h | i've also done ICL's DR/NX , Pyramid DC/OSx.SCO (both Open Server and UnixWare),BSD, etc |
| 21:52.32 | hali | i'd like to have a play with openbgpd some time |
| 21:52.33 | rhowe | hali: Quagga in unstable so far seems OK |
| 21:52.52 | rhowe | hali: That's next on the list - wanna bring a BGP session up with the ISP to get a failover IP range |
| 21:53.19 | hali | thats a nightmare |
| 21:53.25 | clive-h | And before unix I did Pick/Reality and ICL VME |
| 21:53.33 | hali | getting "normal" isp's to talk BGP can be quite tricky |
| 21:53.40 | rhowe | hali: Our ISP isn't normal :P |
| 21:53.42 | z00dax | quagga anything > 0.98.2 seems ok to me, before that - not so much |
| 21:53.50 | z00dax | clive-h: scary |
| 21:53.53 | rhowe | hali: They're small and not very technical, but I think they'll be able to get this working |
| 21:53.56 | hali | unless you get a couple of 100meg fiber links and pay++ |
| 21:54.09 | hali | and an AS |
| 21:54.19 | hali | ripe ar enot very happy to hand out AS's these days |
| 21:54.27 | clive-h | indeed |
| 21:54.36 | rhowe | hali: We're just planning to use a private AS |
| 21:54.49 | rhowe | hali: Both links go to the same ISP, so they can just allocate us a private one |
| 21:55.26 | hali | ok |
| 21:55.46 | rhowe | hali: Once it's all set up it should be quite decent |
| 21:55.58 | rhowe | hali: And a shedload cheaper than doing 'proper' multihoming |
| 21:57.16 | rhowe | hali: The whole thing is costing us.. let's see.. £4k for the 2Mbit leased line (12 months), £39 a month for the bonded ADSLMax (no cap), about £1500 for the two DL320s, £500 for the two 24port gigE switches we got for the network, 2 old desktops, a £200 leased line card about about £200 of ADSL cards |
| 21:57.56 | z00dax | rhowe: what switches ? |
| 21:58.05 | z00dax | and is that a v.17 leased line ? |
| 21:58.11 | rhowe | hali: So, for a £2500 outlay and £4500 a year or so |
| 21:58.18 | rhowe | z00dax: It's an X.21 presentation E1 |
| 21:58.24 | rhowe | z00dax: Does that answer your question? :) |
| 21:58.28 | z00dax | yes |
| 21:58.32 | rhowe | z00dax: HP procurve 1800-24 |
| 21:58.51 | serris | hi z00dax |
| 21:58.52 | z00dax | the procurve gigE switches are £250 each for 24ports ??/ |
| 21:58.54 | z00dax | serris: hey |
| 21:59.00 | serris | How's it going? |
| 21:59.06 | rhowe | z00dax: Yeah, they released some new ones. Pretty basic, but managed and they do vlans |
| 21:59.18 | rhowe | z00dax: We also have a Netgear.. GS... something |
| 21:59.21 | z00dax | serris: not bad, a decent day today after a while so managed to get ou |
| 21:59.22 | rhowe | z00dax: Seems about equivalent |
| 21:59.33 | hali | rhowe: les10 is getting pretty cheap, we pay around 375 a month between old street and redbus hex |
| 21:59.34 | rhowe | z00dax: The web interface on the HP's isn't so great, but it's not that bad |
| 21:59.36 | z00dax | rhowe: also, they are good jumbo frame workers |
| 21:59.47 | rhowe | hali: Yeah, but there's usually a fairly hefty install cost |
| 22:00.10 | hali | quite high yes, we payed 3500 i think |
| 22:00.18 | serris | Sounds good. Had a pretty good day too. We all went out to Holland Park then went to a fair around Redlees Park in Isleworth |
| 22:00.19 | hali | from colt |
| 22:00.20 | rhowe | z00dax: Not sure - we don't use jumbo frames (well, we do 1500byte MTU VLANs, but I don't think that needs jumbo frames especially) |
| 22:00.33 | rhowe | hali: Colt have an offer on for ethernet connections at the moment |
| 22:15.09 | hali | hm, that 1800-24 switch isn't bad for the price |
| 22:15.23 | z00dax | does not do jf |
| 22:16.19 | hali | up to 9216 byte frames |
| 22:16.31 | z00dax | url ? |
| 22:16.38 | hali | http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/ProCurve_Switch_1800_Series/features.htm |
| 22:16.45 | z00dax | ta |
| 22:16.45 | hali | the most obvious place :) |
| 22:17.06 | hali | no forwarding between vlans though |
| 22:17.11 | hali | l2 only |
| 22:18.02 | rhowe | We also have a GS724TS |
| 22:18.18 | rhowe | hali: We have a pair of OpenBSD boxes with carp to do that :) |
| 22:19.00 | hali | for some reason we use cisco 3750 switches for pretty much everything |
| 22:19.12 | hali | complete waste for dosh... but hey, it's not my budget |
| 22:19.38 | hali | a 24port gig switch is about 4 grand |
| 22:19.54 | cpufreak | no its not |
| 22:20.10 | cpufreak | can get 24port cisc switches for like 1200 |
| 22:20.10 | hali | yes it is |
| 22:20.28 | hali | 3750 24p gig-e with emi image is 4k |
| 22:20.32 | hali | 'ish |
| 22:20.41 | cpufreak | hy do you need EMI? |
| 22:20.45 | cpufreak | get SMI unless you're doing routing |
| 22:20.50 | z00dax | i have a netgear outperforming a 3750 here |
| 22:20.51 | cpufreak | and its like 1200 quid less |
| 22:20.56 | cpufreak | 3750s are over contended anyway |
| 22:21.02 | cpufreak | well the 48 ports are |
| 22:21.03 | z00dax | £60 v/s £1856 |
| 22:21.11 | cpufreak | what you want is a Foundry FEX424 / 448 |
| 22:21.13 | cpufreak | er |
| 22:21.14 | cpufreak | FESX |
| 22:21.15 | hali | each stack has got 2 emi's and then the rest is smi |
| 22:21.23 | cpufreak | they're awesome bits of kit |
| 22:22.26 | hali | cisco's never been good in performance, only in branding and support |
| 23:12.46 | rhowe | hmm |
| 23:13.17 | rhowe | Seems to be quite a lot of effort going towards Debian live CDs lately |
| 23:18.51 | z00dax | s/Debian// |
| 23:19.21 | z00dax | the only real use I've ever had for a LiveCD is to have it pxe booted, and present a working system with no hdd in there |
| 23:19.25 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/looks-shit.jpg |
| 23:21.54 | clive-h | i've used knoppix on a short term contract |
| 23:23.12 | rhowe | We have a knoppix CD around at work just in case a PC starts acting up so that I can run smartctl.. |
| 23:23.15 | rhowe | that's about it |
| 23:23.43 | z00dax | s/powrtop/powertop/ |
| 23:24.01 | z00dax | rhowe: perfect case to use pxe instead :) |
| 23:24.39 | rhowe | z00dax: Sod's law dictates that the PCs which act up are the ones without a PXE-capable NIC :) |
| 23:24.54 | rhowe | z00dax: necessitating an etherboot disk, making knoppix just as easy :) |
| 23:25.35 | clive-h | that sounds like very ancient hardware |
| 23:26.14 | z00dax | rhowe: yeah that sux. |
| 23:26.22 | rhowe | Yeah, some of the desktops are probably 5 years old or so |
| 23:26.31 | rhowe | Most of them do PXE, but I bet we have a couple which don't |
| 23:26.34 | z00dax | the thing i love about doing this sort of a thing - and even installs, on the wire is that they are just so much faster than local removeable media |
| 23:26.53 | clive-h | i like kickstart/jumpstart |
| 23:27.09 | z00dax | you can do a 1 gig centos-5 install in under 4 minutes over-the-wire, takes almost 15 min doing it from a local CD |
| 23:27.16 | clive-h | it's not just it's faster |
| 23:27.17 | z00dax | clive-h: absolutely. |
| 23:27.34 | clive-h | but you can make everything the same |
| 23:27.38 | rhowe | z00dax: Yeah, I install Debian using PXE these days |
| 23:28.15 | z00dax | I've got pxe+bootp+cobbler on my laptop, with repo's for c4/5/i386-x86_64-ia64-ppc, so wherever I go, i end up causing issues on the lan :) |
| 23:28.23 | clive-h | or group stuff into workstations,servers etc |
| 23:28.54 | clive-h | and create profiles for those |
| 23:29.33 | z00dax | yup, have you looked at cobbler ? ( http://cobbler.et.redhat.om/ iirc ) |
| 23:30.06 | clive-h | oh not seen cobbler |
| 23:31.06 | clive-h | 404 on that url |
| 23:31.57 | ranner | cliveh: http://cobbler.et.redhat.com (not .om!) |
| 23:32.53 | clive-h | looks interesting |
| 23:33.19 | z00dax | its fantastic, cobbler+koan+puppet+virt-factory! |
| 23:33.35 | z00dax | and you have fantastic resource management |
| 23:33.44 | z00dax | kinda like a DC in a box |
| 23:34.15 | clive-h | i did the last server farm with kickstart |
| 23:35.22 | clive-h | if i think f7 is table i'll have to roll it out to my home boxes |
| 23:35.28 | clive-h | stable |
| 23:35.45 | z00dax | give it a few weeks, maybe mid June - then make that decision |
| 23:35.47 | clive-h | that's 6 at least |
| 23:37.09 | clive-h | i'll bung f7 on my desktop when it ships |
| 23:37.34 | clive-h | it's currently dual boot fc5 and fc6 |
| 23:38.01 | clive-h | and just replace fc5 with f7 |
