| 04:50.36 | sanelson | moin |
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| 07:20.05 | mumperer | Hi :) |
| 07:20.58 | bilarh | morning tuesday muppets! |
| 07:21.34 | mumperer | Particularly - good to see you, mozrat and yeah - Tuesday-ish |
| 07:22.59 | mumperer | 'Ere - wot's a tuesday Muppet? |
| 07:23.22 | bilarh | a muppet on a tuesday, i guess :-) |
| 07:23.42 | bilarh | don't ask me, i just spout crap i have no idea of most of the time :) |
| 07:24.23 | mumperer | Er, um, yeah, me too I suppose! |
| 07:25.38 | mumperer | SWMBO says don't bother yet, but the new DVDs of Debian 4 sit there, waiting ... |
| 07:26.07 | mumperer | Quite disturbing, really ... |
| 07:26.27 | mumperer | Not sure which, SWMBO or the DVDs. |
| 07:27.18 | mumperer | I mean - Ubuntu's so SWEET ... |
| 07:36.15 | mumperer | I could try the installation today. Its a bit quieter than yesterday - we had some old central heating ducting very noisily removed, disturbing sleeping nurses living next door but I didn't regret that much because they're not real nurses only agency nurses so cobblers, so I could do the biggie today ... or perhaps not. Perhaps, muppet-like, I could just say "Yay!" lots of times and grin a lot ... |
| 07:37.16 | mumperer | leeds: How's HK this day? |
| 07:45.54 | mumperer | Think I'll have a sulk ... or a nap ... or read the Guardian's letters page ... yeah, a nap'd be as good ... |
| 08:07.44 | bilarh | i was the fighter of crime and evil in the weekend |
| 08:08.36 | bilarh | on saturday, i helped this old man who had fallen over at a zebra crossing |
| 08:09.02 | bilarh | i thought he was ill, so i stopped the car and helped him up etc etc |
| 08:09.19 | bilarh | anyway, he had hit his head on the floor and everything, blood everywhere :-) |
| 08:09.25 | cpufreak | my car didn't come back with me from nurburg :( |
| 08:09.34 | bilarh | anyway, he was just pissed out of his face and didnt' want any help, so he walked off |
| 08:09.43 | bilarh | across the road, into a side road |
| 08:09.47 | bilarh | and straight to his car |
| 08:10.15 | bilarh | so bilarh and some other crime fighter jump into their cars and wheel spin around to his place |
| 08:10.22 | bilarh | s/place/car |
| 08:10.46 | bilarh | box him in "uk street wars" style, jump out and say "oi wtf you think you doing" |
| 08:11.05 | bilarh | anyway, old man opens the car door and falls into his seat |
| 08:11.29 | bilarh | cue girls shrieking "omgwtf he's gonna drive off, do somehting" |
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| 08:11.41 | bilarh | so i jumped in and stole his keys :P |
| 08:11.49 | bilarh | and then i called the cops |
| 08:11.58 | bilarh | three of them turned up with bullet proof vests and all :) |
| 08:12.03 | bilarh | big drama in little sweden :) |
| 08:12.40 | bilarh | anyway, the dude closed the door and fell asleep after I stole his keys :0 |
| 08:13.03 | bilarh | cpufreak: what happened? |
| 08:25.23 | cpufreak | power steering pump failed |
| 08:25.28 | cpufreak | so I had it recovered to a BMW dealer |
| 08:25.36 | bilarh | ah |
| 08:25.54 | bilarh | the csl? |
| 08:26.07 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 08:26.12 | bilarh | sucks :( |
| 08:26.16 | cpufreak | its not so bad |
| 08:26.26 | cpufreak | got given an A6 2.0T quattro as a rental |
| 08:26.27 | bilarh | but driving with no power steering pump is good for your arms :P |
| 08:26.30 | cpufreak | with satnav, and all weather tyres |
| 08:26.52 | bilarh | i had a diesel rental in the weekend... that was more fun than i thought it would be |
| 08:27.05 | bilarh | it felt really fast down 2000 revs :) |
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| 08:27.17 | cpufreak | which was good, as it was ppissing it down |
| 08:27.21 | bilarh | but less economical than my clio, which was a bit of a disappointment |
| 08:27.30 | cpufreak | and semi slicks in the wet aren't good |
| 08:27.40 | bilarh | no, that kind of sucks, i hear :) |
| 08:28.27 | cpufreak | I still managed some sub 8 minute laps, with broken power steering |
| 08:28.31 | niv_one_three | bash help, http://rafb.net/p/QMHyeU72.html |
| 08:29.00 | bilarh | cpufreak: how's the gt coming along? |
| 08:29.40 | bilarh | i went out as a passenger in an evo 9 in the weekend... |
| 08:29.51 | bilarh | mad mad cornering grip, but it was too linear to feel fast :-) |
| 08:29.54 | niv_one_three | way does mutt complains line 15: mutt -s AlarmLiving 'my@address' < '.': command not found |
| 08:29.57 | bilarh | although the speedo says differently |
| 08:30.42 | bilarh | it's vastly faster than my wrx of course, but e.g. the 10 year old sti 555 my friend has feels faster |
| 08:30.56 | bilarh | though it probably isn't faster in a straight line, but it feels it:) |
| 08:33.26 | cpufreak | bilarh: I got out of buying it |
| 08:33.40 | cpufreak | going to track prep the csl instead |
| 08:34.41 | cpufreak | it'd be funnier |
| 08:34.41 | bilarh | yeah i suppose but probably more expensive too :) |
| 08:36.26 | cpufreak | yeh, but I like being faster than everyone |
| 08:36.33 | cpufreak | :p |
| 08:36.49 | cpufreak | I passed a mate in his 996 GT3 RS |
| 08:36.57 | cpufreak | and was talkign to him later |
| 08:37.05 | cpufreak | he was gobsmacked, as my car is basically still standard |
| 08:37.18 | cpufreak | and I went round him like he was stationary, at brunchen |
| 08:38.18 | bilarh | but again, that's probably because he doesn't know how to drive, and you do |
| 08:38.23 | cpufreak | he races |
| 08:38.32 | cpufreak | he doesn't know the nurburgring so well |
| 08:38.44 | bilarh | but surely a csl doesn't run rings around a gt3 rs |
| 08:38.49 | bilarh | i mean, that's just not possible :-) |
| 08:38.51 | cpufreak | same laptime |
| 08:38.55 | bilarh | it may be a bit faster with two equally good drivers |
| 08:39.01 | cpufreak | same laptime round the 'ring |
| 08:39.03 | cpufreak | to within a second |
| 08:39.06 | bilarh | but not *that* much faster, surely :) |
| 08:39.18 | bilarh | ah, which just proves my point of drivers then (and local knowledge, i suppose) |
| 08:39.22 | cpufreak | its just me knowing the circuit |
| 08:39.48 | cpufreak | to add insult to injury i then kicked the tail on the next corner and drifted a bit for the crowd watching by the sandpit |
| 08:40.02 | cpufreak | my passenger called me a show off though |
| 08:40.26 | bilarh | hehe :) |
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| 09:56.38 | niv_one_three | I am guessing I got the quoting wrong in this script |
| 09:56.45 | niv_one_three | trail and error.... |
| 10:02.42 | antiphase | Go on then |
| 10:03.37 | bilarh | 09:32 < bilarh> cpufreak: how's the gt coming along? |
| 10:03.41 | bilarh | erm. |
| 10:03.45 | bilarh | never mind :P |
| 10:03.56 | bilarh | apparently my copy / paste doesn't work as I thought :P |
| 10:04.16 | bilarh | http://rafb.net/p/QMHyeU72.html |
| 10:11.15 | wethrin | mornin' |
| 10:17.21 | sanelson | moin (again) |
| 10:22.24 | kjalil | wethrin, sanelson: morning |
| 10:22.30 | sanelson | hello |
| 10:22.51 | sanelson | wethrin: !!!! |
| 10:22.53 | sanelson | news!!! |
| 10:24.02 | wethrin | oh yes? |
| 10:25.50 | sanelson | yes |
| 10:25.56 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 10:25.58 | sanelson | I plan to see you in friday |
| 10:26.02 | wethrin | hurrah! |
| 10:26.29 | sanelson | at what time do you plan to be present at the aforementioned establishment? |
| 10:26.53 | wethrin | In theory, my train gets in to Kings X around 1730. |
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| 10:27.08 | wethrin | Then I walk to Thameslink, and wait for a train to take me to Blackfriars, from where I shall walk |
| 10:27.11 | wethrin | So around 6ish |
| 10:27.28 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 10:28.18 | kjalil | wethrin: is there a gllug meet on fri? |
| 10:28.23 | kjalil | JosefAssad: morning |
| 10:28.33 | wethrin | kjalil: Only unofficially |
| 10:29.01 | kjalil | wethrin: cool, where? i *might* come |
| 10:29.23 | wethrin | Founders Arms |
| 10:30.12 | kjalil | this one? http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/51/513/Founders_Arms/Southwark |
| 10:30.14 | sanelson | wethrin: ok, i can meet you at blackfriars |
| 10:32.46 | wethrin | kjalil: Yes |
| 10:33.05 | wethrin | sanelson: Cool! At what point should I alert you that I'm around London? |
| 10:33.54 | kjalil | wethrin: cool, i'm not sure I can make it, i'll let you guys know later in the week if i can |
| 10:34.57 | sanelson | wethrin: well I'll be in Kentish Town, 10 mins from Thames Link, so if you let me know when you're nearly at KX, I can head off too, and we should arrive at Blackfriars at a similar time/ |
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| 10:36.14 | wethrin | sanelson: Sounds good |
| 10:36.27 | JosefAssad | kjalil: 'lo there |
| 10:38.39 | kjalil | JosefAssad: do you think I pissed off dick_turpin too much yesterday, going on about his webpage? :) |
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| 10:43.40 | JosefAssad | kjalil: I don't know him too well, but it didn't look like it to me |
| 10:44.27 | JosefAssad | freenode a tad flaky today? |
| 10:45.06 | wethrin | No? |
| 10:45.35 | kjalil | JosefAssad: yeah I hope not, it is quite a nice site |
| 10:45.53 | JosefAssad | asimov. and zelazny. were giving me connection refused a while ago, as well as irc. |
| 10:46.30 | kjalil | JosefAssad: is irc.ubuntu.com the same as irc.freenode.net? i'm on the first one |
| 10:46.42 | wethrin | Yes |
| 10:46.52 | JosefAssad | it is? |
| 10:46.55 | JosefAssad | jeez |
| 10:47.02 | wethrin | irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for chat.freenode.net. |
| 10:47.13 | kjalil | wethrin: yeah I just checked |
| 10:47.19 | JosefAssad | is that a bit disingenuous? |
| 10:47.32 | wethrin | why? |
| 10:47.32 | kjalil | wethrin: so are they a bank of load balanced machines? |
| 10:47.37 | wethrin | Yup |
| 10:47.48 | wethrin | irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:48.31 | kjalil | wethrin: hmm, both irc.ubuntu and irc.freenode are aliases for chat.freenode |
| 10:48.42 | wethrin | Yes |
| 10:48.57 | kjalil | wethrin: where are these machines located? |
| 10:49.07 | wethrin | Around the world |
| 10:49.31 | kjalil | interesting ... |
| 10:54.24 | JosefAssad | asmallworld.net is actually pretty useful sometimes... |
| 11:20.52 | niv_one_three | wethrin: :-) |
| 11:21.23 | niv_one_three | could there be a musical style to mix tango and electro? |
| 11:24.24 | wethrin | There could, but it'd be Wrong |
| 11:26.08 | Leeds | evening folks! |
| 11:27.08 | JosefAssad | 'lo Leeds |
| 11:31.05 | Leeds | so, today... my boss told me that his boss likes me, which is a good thing for my boss... that he goes for sex weekends into China... that he wants me to put together a simple Linux training programme over the next week or two... and then he started flicking paperclips at me across the office with a ruler... |
| 11:31.34 | Leeds | it's great being back in the workforce |
| 11:31.52 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 11:32.23 | JosefAssad | likes you... sex weekends... training programme... flicking... ruler... Uh oh... |
| 11:33.48 | Leeds | he was also chatting on and off with his girlfriend on his webcam all afternoon |
| 11:34.42 | antiphase | He sounds like a prick |
| 11:34.59 | Leeds | antiphase: yeah, well so you you, much of the time |
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| 11:41.41 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me a *currently available* cardbus/usb tv-tuner for a *laptop* that works with gnu/linux out of the box priced less than 50 quid? |
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| 11:49.23 | wethrin | keef! |
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| 12:01.56 | geospart | 'yawn' |
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| 12:14.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Why are all your movies Mac orientated? I need real player or something to watch that 'Under the counter' film you sent me |
| 12:15.31 | Leeds | dick_turpin: mplayer |
| 12:16.00 | geospart | vlc... plays almost all |
| 12:16.27 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: boot up your arch box ... vista can't handle this stuff |
| 12:16.44 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Yeah I know except all the machines here are Windows except the one which is F7 and Mplayer and even Kmplayer are not available |
| 12:17.21 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I have to leave the Arch at home I'd never get anything done |
| 12:17.35 | goibhniu | this is the hardcore smut dick_turpin is referring to ... metisse window facades ... it's mental http://insitu.lri.fr/~roussel/videos/metisse/facades/uifacades.mov |
| 12:18.09 | geospart | Dick they make VLC for winblows |
| 12:19.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its pure filth and I will be round your house later with the lettuce and solution you like so much ;-) |
| 12:20.26 | Leeds | dick_turpin: mplayer for windows |
| 12:21.48 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Yeah I know just cant be arsed to download it after all I am a lazy so and so |
| 12:22.30 | Leeds | yes, you are |
| 12:23.47 | dick_turpin | Leeds: You've made me so ashamed of myself I'm doing it now |
| 12:24.20 | Leeds | good! |
| 12:25.33 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I wanted a Good Boy |
| 12:25.49 | Leeds | no |
| 12:26.16 | niv_one_three | ibot convert 125 euro to isl |
| 12:26.38 | dick_turpin | Leeds: O kin ell ere we go Winzip, groan, its toooo much, that means I have to do something |
| 12:27.35 | Leeds | ibot change 125 eur to isl |
| 12:27.46 | niv_one_three | thnaks leeds |
| 12:27.50 | Leeds | ibot convert 75 cm to inches |
| 12:28.22 | Leeds | niv_one_three: the currency stuff is broken, actually |
| 12:31.18 | wethrin | It'd be ILS, surely? |
| 12:34.21 | Leeds | it's still broken, anyway |
| 12:35.23 | wethrin | Well, yes |
| 12:35.45 | niv_one_three | in any case that is too damn expensive :-) |
| 12:36.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Very artistic I must say |
| 12:38.18 | goibhniu | yeah, I was wondering what this metisse stuff was about .. pretty incredible really |
| 12:38.53 | Leeds | goibhniu: I saw that introduced at a HKLUG meeting a couple of months back |
| 12:39.05 | goibhniu | I don't know if it's gtk only? |
| 12:39.29 | bilarh | anyone want to buy a kidney? |
| 12:39.54 | Leeds | I think it's lower-level than that |
| 12:40.12 | bilarh | man, this sucks... |
| 12:40.21 | bilarh | i am always always broke |
| 12:40.32 | bilarh | even like a week after i've been paid, i'll be broke :-) |
| 12:40.39 | goibhniu | bilarh: stop buying cars! |
| 12:40.42 | bilarh | i think i've got a spending problem |
| 12:40.52 | bilarh | it's not even full cars, just parts :) |
| 12:44.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So when will you be knocking out some pictures then? |
| 12:45.03 | goibhniu | in a month ... everything is happening in a month |
| 12:45.35 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thats what you said last month! |
| 12:47.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You was gonna write that two months ago ;-) |
| 13:33.01 | JosefAssad | I hate todo lists. They only grow |
| 13:33.33 | JosefAssad | That's why I zap them beginning of every week. I call it regrouping. My fiancee calls it copping out |
| 13:45.43 | Leeds | having a local veggie cafe is certainly one of the random benefits of this neighbourhood |
| 13:48.47 | geospart | sounds like another vegitarian like me here ...of course the US south is not the most friendliest veggie place on earth.... |
| 13:52.47 | JosefAssad | try Yemen |
| 13:53.42 | geospart | is yemen worse ?? |
| 13:54.10 | geospart | when I lived in NY, and or cali ...was much more friendy...It has gotten better here in the south |
| 13:54.19 | Leeds | I'm not actually veggie - but most of the time I am, so a cheap, convenient local veggie place is a bonus |
| 13:54.45 | JosefAssad | My boss is vegetarian, and I wasn't but I'm edging closer to it. The only place where people didn't look funny at her when she asked the waiters to take the meat out was the frigging sheraton |
| 13:54.51 | JosefAssad | Leeds: ditto |
| 13:55.33 | Leeds | it's actually quite odd... it's not an uncommon thing in this part of the world, even if it's less common than in the west - certainly, it's normal for monks here to be veggie and more |
| 13:55.34 | JosefAssad | Aside from Yemen being dry as a bone. I need to figure out how to smuggle some scotch in; have to go back in June :/ |
| 13:56.03 | Leeds | but for a lot of my local friends, they really have trouble with the concept of a random person (apparently) deciding not to eat meat for no good reason |
| 13:56.34 | JosefAssad | I got a good reason. When I eat meat, more often than not I visualize the animal and gag... Frigging imagination :\ |
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| 13:57.32 | Leeds | oh, see, I like meat... |
| 13:57.34 | geospart | its funny but when I go to restaurants I am forced to order appetizers ..and such .... there are some chained restuarants that use veggie burgers as substitutes for beef burgers |
| 13:58.12 | JosefAssad | geospart: veggie burgers aren't one tenth as noxious as milk substitutes |
| 13:58.20 | geospart | morningstar is a good brand for meat substitutes here |
| 13:58.28 | Leeds | I have veggie burgers far too often... I do eat fish - real fish, not shellfish - so that helps quite a lot |
| 13:58.35 | JosefAssad | the only substitute for a glass of milk is another glass of milk. Ad infinitum |
| 13:59.02 | boudiccas | when i was veggie the only thing that i missed was bacon sandwiches |
| 13:59.52 | JosefAssad | I missed prosciutto |
| 14:02.16 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: rotfl, you! a veggie! rotfl |
| 14:02.47 | geospart | morning star makes some good veggie bacon...good stuff |
| 14:02.55 | geospart | almost taste real |
| 14:04.04 | Leeds | I like quorn |
| 14:05.26 | geospart | quorn is good |
| 14:05.42 | geospart | i get their naked cutlets |
| 14:05.50 | geospart | thats sounded odd |
| 14:06.21 | JosefAssad | hm, to try ext3cow first or wikipediaFS first... |
| 14:27.12 | Leeds | well that killed the conversation |
| 14:28.04 | JosefAssad | mad stampede of glluggers trying to beat me to testing ext3cow |
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| 14:33.49 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; yes, i was vegetarian for about a year, until my ex and I went camping and he wouldn't cook any veggie options for me :( so i had to resort to eating meat |
| 14:34.50 | geospart | I married a vegetarian ...so to make our home more veggie friendly I became one |
| 14:35.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: What! you eat your Ex? is that why they are Ex? |
| 14:35.05 | geospart | the only non vegetarians in our home are the cats |
| 14:35.07 | geospart | ha |
| 14:35.14 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; :o))))) |
| 14:35.33 | goibhniu | JosefAssad: oh but at the moment you can't totally delete files :( |
| 14:35.36 | geospart | dick your so evil ..... |
| 14:37.14 | dick_turpin | We aim to please |
| 14:37.42 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; and skim the trees! |
| 14:38.50 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its called fly by the seat of your pants |
| 14:38.55 | dick_turpin | flying |
| 14:39.38 | JosefAssad | goibhniu: in ext3cow? |
| 14:39.47 | goibhniu | JosefAssad: yep |
| 14:39.57 | goibhniu | on 2.6 kernels |
| 14:40.25 | JosefAssad | goibhniu: thanks to gmail, my brain has now been rewired to not understand what it means to delete information. |
| 14:41.05 | goibhniu | I recovered some files off a fat16 fs this week ... major bonus points ... if it had been from her desktop machine that would sadly have been impossible |
| 14:41.40 | goibhniu | I set up an svn server but even using the fairly nice python workbench wasn't going to fly |
| 14:42.36 | JosefAssad | in 5000 years, the rosetta stone will be msdos_fs.h |
| 14:46.54 | goibhniu | hmm ... there is a fuse gitfs |
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| 14:53.38 | goibhniu | erm ... baby seal sossidges! |
| 14:54.49 | boudiccas | http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2742/babyie7.jpg |
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| 16:40.32 | Leeds | hmm... pidgin is eating lots of CPU with animated user-defined icons turned on... |
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| 18:50.32 | dick_turpin | anyone about who's a thing or two about hard drives? |
| 18:51.06 | dick_turpin | who knows |
| 18:57.50 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; be more specific, whats the problem ? |
| 19:00.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Not a problem as such I want to use this tip on my lovley new Arch system 'hdparm -a1024 -c3 -d1 -m16 /dev/hda' |
| 19:01.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Now I've done this hdparm -i /dev/sda |
| 19:01.27 | boudiccas | and you want to find out before running it ? |
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| 19:01.59 | dick_turpin | And its given me this Model=HTS424040M9AT00 , FwRev=MA2OA71A, SerialNo= MPA25CQ4E15TLE |
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| 19:02.26 | boudiccas | what does SMART say? |
| 19:03.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I know nothing about this stuff, a sec I'll look |
| 19:03.55 | boudiccas | I know very little about h/d but I do know that SMART is very sueful for monitoring the health of h/d |
| 19:03.59 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: no smart |
| 19:04.22 | boudiccas | *useful |
| 19:04.39 | boudiccas | can it be installed from the repos ? |
| 19:05.59 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Dunno, just take a quck look at this http://archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Harddrive_Performance and you'll see what I mean |
| 19:06.07 | dick_turpin | quick |
| 19:06.48 | boudiccas | 404 - Page Not Found |
| 19:06.48 | boudiccas | Sorry, the page you've requested does not exist. |
| 19:07.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: hm hang on |
| 19:07.42 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Harddrive_Performance sorry :'( |
| 19:09.26 | boudiccas | i, personally, wouldn't tweak my h/d performance .... not without the essential sacrifices to the appropriate deities |
| 19:10.04 | boudiccas | i don't know enough to advise for or against tweaking h/d performance |
| 19:10.08 | sabinef72 | hello everybody |
| 19:10.20 | boudiccas | sabine might know :) |
| 19:10.36 | dick_turpin | yeah I know but I'm so impressed with the speed the fix of even more is very tempting |
| 19:11.17 | dick_turpin | sabinef72: can you help? |
| 19:12.17 | dick_turpin | sabinef72: Okey cokey |
| 19:12.18 | sabinef72 | I can help you for a recepie, for a trip in Paris, for a woman's problem... but definitively not for computer |
| 19:12.25 | sabinef72 | except perhaps gimp |
| 19:13.24 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Theres nothing for it I'll have to ask on #archlinux if you don't hear from me again, "Its been fun" :-/ |
| 19:13.35 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; enjoy :) |
| 19:14.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: :-/:-/:'( |
| 19:24.00 | phearless | damn it |
| 19:24.14 | phearless | I can not replace a RAID1 hard drive |
| 19:24.22 | phearless | because it is the main hard drive |
| 19:25.26 | phearless | so if I put a new blank hard drive at his place, the server does not want to boot |
| 19:32.08 | phearless | arrrg |
| 19:40.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Which is worse, getting flamed or getting ignored? :-D |
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| 19:53.08 | goibhniu | ~seen morsing |
| 19:53.39 | ibot | morsing is currently on #gllug, last said: 'That's stupid (as usual for Linux)'. |
| 20:26.35 | z00dax | wuzp people of the gllug world ? |
| 20:27.24 | z00dax | goibhniu: meeting ? |
| 20:31.32 | z00dax | what are you trying to get from livna ? |
| 20:32.07 | antiphase | Anything. I'm searching for RPM repositopries that have useful things in, like maybe something that plays music without segfaulting |
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| 20:32.31 | z00dax | freshrpms perhaps ? |
| 20:34.02 | cpufreak | antiphase: www.ubuntu.org |
| 20:34.15 | z00dax | heh |
| 20:34.22 | z00dax | well, fedora ftw! |
| 20:34.49 | [Clive] | Mmm fedora |
| 20:35.03 | antiphase | Ubuntu annoyed me the other day, so I'm looking for alternatives |
| 20:35.05 | [Clive] | Is F7 out yet? |
| 20:35.13 | z00dax | not yet, i dont think |
| 20:35.23 | z00dax | and why are you sitting inside a box [Clive] ? |
| 20:35.28 | [Clive] | It's always delayed |
| 20:35.43 | [Clive] | Waiting for clive-h to time out |
| 20:35.46 | z00dax | yeah, they need to sort out their release system and feature freeze stuff |
| 20:35.56 | z00dax | cant you ghost it and kill it ? |
| 20:35.56 | [Clive] | Just moved boxes |
| 20:36.06 | [Clive] | That's a point |
| 20:37.45 | clive-h | I'm too used to IRCNet which lacks nickserv |
| 20:38.27 | antiphase | I'm not sure I can be arsed with this CentOS lark. Fedora seems to be much more useful, as I'm not operating a headless server |
| 20:39.05 | clive-h | That's why I run Fedora on workstations to be honest |
| 20:39.39 | clive-h | I like to have the funky gui stuff |
| 20:39.51 | clive-h | I'd never deployed Fedora on a server |
| 20:40.16 | antiphase | I get pissed off if my desktops take more than 1/20 second to switch, so any of that crazy composite shit is right out |
| 20:40.28 | antiphase | It's a bit unnecessary anyway |
| 20:40.45 | clive-h | compiz or beryl you mean? |
| 20:40.50 | antiphase | r |
| 20:41.20 | clive-h | beryl is fast enough on this |
| 20:41.23 | clive-h | Though not mandatory |
| 20:42.49 | clive-h | I've been having to explain what centOS is to $recruiters |
| 20:43.28 | clive-h | Are you running xen on CentOS 5? |
| 20:44.03 | hali | clive-h: just say "redhat" :) |
| 20:44.07 | hali | and smile |
| 20:44.18 | clive-h | I explained |
| 20:44.19 | antiphase | Me? No. Anything that increases complexity unnecessarily is a white elephant afaics. Dual booting 4tw |
| 20:44.55 | clive-h | what mobo chipset? |
| 20:44.55 | goibhniu | z00dax: I've been hoping the mailing list would rise again, but then I'm off for two weeks holidays in about 10 days so it's not looking good for organising a meeting |
| 20:45.28 | goibhniu | z00dax: but some folks are meeting up for a social on Friday |
| 20:46.20 | clive-h | Multimedia works fine for me on FC6 though I have to use OSS drivers rather than alsa |
| 20:47.39 | antiphase | KDE doesn't seem to get on with ALSA, probably because they're supporting their own silly sound daemon and associated gumph |
| 20:48.04 | clive-h | I use Gnome though |
| 20:48.10 | antiphase | Maybe Gentoo wasn't so bad after all |
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| 20:48.17 | clive-h | But the KDE stuff I run gets upset |
| 20:48.30 | goibhniu | antiphase: gentoo loves you |
| 20:49.02 | clive-h | I've known people who've iterated over all linux distros looking for one they like |
| 20:49.07 | goibhniu | I hear ion is the way to go these days if you're not into the 3d malarchy |
| 20:49.07 | antiphase | I used to prefer Gnome for being lighter, but after using blackbox, icewm and xfce I need a WM that can do keyboard shortcuts properly, and Gnome didn't hit the spot last time I looked |
| 20:49.16 | clive-h | and eventually went back to windows |
| 20:49.22 | antiphase | So not I have a fast computer it's KDE |
| 20:49.25 | antiphase | s/t/w/ |
| 20:49.35 | z00dax | goibhniu: oh ? where is this discussion taking place w.r.t social ? |
| 20:49.35 | clive-h | I use xfce on laptops |
| 20:49.47 | clive-h | It's lightweight |
| 20:50.39 | goibhniu | z00dax: I've just seen it here, friday near the tate ... beer |
| 20:50.51 | goibhniu | z00dax: wethrin was instigating it |
| 20:51.22 | z00dax | the founders arms i suppose.. |
| 20:51.32 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 20:51.34 | z00dax | maybe a curry after, but maybe in that case, not at the tate |
| 20:51.36 | clive-h | Nice pub |
| 20:51.44 | z00dax | its decent, as long as its not raining |
| 20:52.09 | clive-h | I personally prefer Doggetts Cap and Badge |
| 20:52.27 | clive-h | A bit more upstream |
| 20:52.40 | z00dax | yea, but the $girls dont hang out there |
| 20:52.42 | goibhniu | antiphase: have you tried ion? it's supposed to be uber-shortcuts-heaven |
| 20:52.59 | z00dax | its ratpoison with a web2 makeover, ion |
| 20:53.19 | z00dax | but it sounds a bit odd, i thought antiphase was looking to reduce complexity |
| 20:53.25 | clive-h | ratpoison and ion are too minimalist for me |
| 20:54.00 | z00dax | also, in this day and age - very unwanted really. I'd rather not need to remember howto open a new window and move things around - I'd rather focus on the task that i need to do and why i am using a computer |
| 20:54.06 | z00dax | its one reason i think emacs is a total waste |
| 20:54.10 | clive-h | I might just as well fall back to twm or mw{l}m |
| 20:55.13 | clive-h | It's a shame there's no CDE for linux |
| 20:55.28 | clive-h | The last one I had was a.out |
| 20:55.34 | z00dax | i thought there was something similar though |
| 20:55.42 | z00dax | ouch |
| 20:55.47 | antiphase | I though ion was one of those horrible tiling window managers that ought to have been banished to the Ark when it set sail |
| 20:56.24 | hali | clive-h: http://www.marutan.net/cde/ you have signed the petition i hope! :) |
| 20:56.25 | clive-h | well originally KDE was CDE like |
| 20:56.30 | antiphase | I'd like to be using my computer to listen to some music, it's a shame that the fucking Americans don't see it the same way |
| 20:56.59 | z00dax | antiphase: centos has worked ok for me, and for pretty much everyone that I know who uses it - what problem did you have ? |
| 20:57.08 | clive-h | hali: I will |
| 20:57.20 | antiphase | I seem not to have access to any media players by default |
| 20:57.41 | antiphase | Nor any way of installing any easily |
| 20:57.41 | clive-h | you need to install them |
| 20:58.00 | antiphase | If I could find a repository that had any, with instructions on how to use it, I'd be laughing |
| 20:58.23 | antiphase | Sadly they all seem to be for Fedora, offline or package-free |
| 20:59.19 | clive-h | I've only ever done CentOS on servers so never needed that |
| 20:59.49 | clive-h | Multimedia works fine on Fedora on desktops |
| 20:59.56 | z00dax | antiphase: wiki.centos.org/Repositories |
| 21:00.08 | z00dax | the rpmforge repo has most of the media stuff that you might want |
| 21:00.18 | z00dax | including the gstreamer-ugly/bad plugins |
| 21:00.38 | z00dax | atrpms.net has some stuff as well |
| 21:00.51 | antiphase | There's no mention of CentOS on there. Am I to guess which Fedora packages may share libraries with them? |
| 21:01.08 | clive-h | I recommended atrpms the other day |
| 21:01.12 | z00dax | use the rhel repo for rpmforge |
| 21:01.23 | clive-h | The dag repository is good too |
| 21:01.45 | clive-h | Indeed CentOS is effectively RHEL |
| 21:02.02 | antiphase | deja vu. I've already followed those rpmforge instructions |
| 21:02.12 | clive-h | and? |
| 21:02.45 | antiphase | My machine didn't burst into life. I wasn't really aware of any difference |
| 21:03.07 | clive-h | Hmmm |
| 21:03.09 | antiphase | Maybe I need to browse something to try and get an idea of what's in the repo |
| 21:03.10 | z00dax | antiphase: what version of centos ? |
| 21:03.13 | antiphase | 5 |
| 21:03.24 | z00dax | on i386 ? |
| 21:03.28 | antiphase | x86_64 |
| 21:03.32 | clive-h | yum install xmms-mp3 fails? |
| 21:03.45 | antiphase | I will now try it for the first time |
| 21:05.33 | antiphase | That seemed to work, although I declined it due to not using xmms any more |
| 21:05.56 | antiphase | I think this weekend could be dedicated to working out how to make rpms, and then packaging cplay |
| 21:06.07 | clive-h | so the repositories are active |
| 21:06.10 | z00dax | what is cplay ? url please .. |
| 21:06.27 | antiphase | It's a python ncurses gui to a load of media players |
| 21:06.34 | antiphase | gui used advisedly ;) |
| 21:06.46 | antiphase | http://mask.tf.hut.fi/~flu/hacks/cplay |
| 21:07.10 | antiphase | If you just want to play some music without wasting 100MB of RAM on some horrific graphical interface, it rules |
| 21:07.53 | z00dax | that should be easy to package up - i can do it now, however there is 1 interesting issue there |
| 21:08.06 | z00dax | do you make it require all the media decoders as well |
| 21:08.26 | z00dax | there used to be something called moc that i used to play mp3's a long time back |
| 21:08.30 | z00dax | i wonder if its still around |
| 21:08.52 | hali | antiphase: mpg321? |
| 21:09.13 | hali | uses close to no ram at all :) |
| 21:09.15 | antiphase | It would be nice to be advised of the package names of compatible media players when installing it. I'm sure installing them as prerequisites would annoy a lot of people on principle |
| 21:09.29 | clive-h | I can see why there's no rpm |
| 21:09.42 | clive-h | The makefile is broken |
| 21:10.17 | z00dax | you cant 'recommend' stuff at install time, since you need to cater to the non-interactive installs |
| 21:10.53 | antiphase | Doesn't it know if it's being run interactively? |
| 21:12.58 | z00dax | the thing is, even if it did, the non-interactive ones would be broken |
| 21:13.14 | z00dax | I suppose it would be reasonable to add a dep for ogg support |
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