| 04:53.30 | mumperer | Morning! :) |
| 06:23.28 | morsing | 'morning |
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| 06:47.38 | niv_one_three | morsing! |
| 07:10.39 | sanelson | moin |
| 07:20.31 | niv_one_three | how to kill a process which pid is in /root/poof.pid ? |
| 07:28.11 | niv_one_three | I use kill -9 `cat motion.pid` |
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| 07:55.14 | JosefAssad | moin |
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| 09:45.56 | kjalil | what is the correct timezone to use for us in the UK? is it GMT or BST? I'm trying to accomodate for daylight savings time on unix, so I want the time to automatically be adjusted when DST is turned off again in the fall |
| 09:47.20 | Leeds | kjalil: the correct timezone is Europe/London |
| 09:51.01 | kjalil | Leeds: ok, that may be alright for linux, let's say, but what about BSDs, I'm on NetBSD here and my timezone is BST here, i wonder if I should change it to GMT+1? but then I will manually have to change it to GMT in the fall. will the BST adjust automatically? i don't know |
| 09:56.37 | kjalil | Leeds: nevermind, I found the Europe/London setting in NetBSD, I will try and see if that works |
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| 12:00.40 | goibhniu | wow! apparently xorg 7.2 can start without xorg.conf! |
| 12:02.53 | JosefAssad | under what circumstances would that be a wonderful thing? Or is it just an oddity? |
| 12:03.35 | goibhniu | e.g. ubuntu's dodgy nvidia update last year |
| 12:04.08 | goibhniu | to most users a broken xorg means their computer is dead |
| 12:04.44 | goibhniu | I don't know if that means you can just plug in a projector now too ... perhaps |
| 12:04.52 | niv_one_three | is there a better way to do this: kill -9 `cat motion.pid` |
| 12:04.55 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 12:05.19 | JosefAssad | killall motion doesn't do it? |
| 12:05.42 | niv_one_three | I only want to terminate the pid which number is in motion.pid |
| 12:06.24 | JosefAssad | man pkill |
| 12:06.49 | JosefAssad | oughtta do it |
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| 14:08.27 | mumperer | Hi peoples! :) |
| 14:08.41 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 14:09.00 | mumperer | wethrin: wotcher! |
| 14:09.27 | wethrin | I'm about to go for coffee |
| 14:09.42 | mumperer | wethrin: get me one? |
| 14:10.15 | wethrin | Sure. Just nip up to Durham to collect |
| 14:10.23 | mumperer | second thoughts, Nah |
| 14:11.53 | mumperer | My first composing room overseer was a Durham man. Deeply dour. Expert, though .. |
| 14:12.40 | mumperer | Don't suppose you culd have known him - that was in 1952 ... |
| 14:13.23 | wethrin | Before my time |
| 14:13.55 | mumperer | Wethrin; er, yeah, you could well be right ... s'life! |
| 14:14.23 | wethrin | Right. Coffee-time |
| 14:14.24 | wethrin | Later! |
| 14:14.37 | mumperer | Byee! |
| 14:17.59 | mumperer | (Puts Velocette Viper back into garage, not fancying the ride to Durham this time of day) OK, force majeure, back to the armchair! Bye now! |
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| 15:31.11 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:35.49 | Leeds | sleep |
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| 15:36.02 | Leeds | new2unix! |
| 15:36.10 | new2unix | Hi Leeds. |
| 15:36.20 | Leeds | how's life/ |
| 15:36.23 | new2unix | How's Asia? |
| 15:36.39 | morsing | new2unix! God, it's been a while |
| 15:36.55 | new2unix | Morsing!!! |
| 15:37.19 | Leeds | asia is... humid but fun :-) |
| 15:37.35 | new2unix | You still in the Bra business? |
| 15:38.03 | Leeds | uh, no |
| 15:38.09 | Leeds | I left that business in August |
| 15:38.40 | Leeds | I now appear to be in the POS business |
| 15:39.36 | new2unix | for Big Blue? i understand that are quite prominent in that industry. |
| 15:40.48 | Leeds | mainly big blue hardware, as far as I've seen so far, but I'm on the software and integration side of things |
| 15:40.58 | Leeds | not working for big blue |
| 15:41.53 | Leeds | new2unix: I only started this job on Thursday |
| 15:41.56 | JosefAssad | I can't tell if farscape is really bad or really good |
| 15:42.49 | hali | it's ok.. and that white chick is quite hot |
| 15:43.04 | new2unix | Leeds: Still got your place in London? |
| 15:43.37 | Leeds | new2unix: yeah - rented it out in October |
| 15:46.43 | JosefAssad | hali: I had no such doubts around firefly |
| 15:51.08 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 15:51.10 | morsing | ping sabinef72 |
| 15:51.32 | boudiccas | morsing! |
| 15:52.24 | new2unix | I'm off now. Just thought i'd pop in to say hello to the old schoolers (pre-youtube gang). |
| 15:53.20 | new2unix | and to the Fosdem gang |
| 15:53.22 | JosefAssad | eh, Chelsea just went down in more than one sense |
| 15:53.49 | new2unix | Seeya Leeds and Morsing and all. |
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| 16:48.54 | skuzzzy | oof |
| 16:49.02 | skuzzzy | nasty split? |
| 16:49.19 | wethrin | Not too nasty |
| 16:49.25 | wethrin | Only you went |
| 16:49.42 | skuzzzy | ahh :p |
| 16:49.52 | skuzzzy | makes it look a lot worse from here then |
| 16:50.00 | wethrin | yep |
| 16:52.22 | morsing | wethrin: What did you have for lunch? |
| 16:52.37 | wethrin | I didn't |
| 16:52.48 | wethrin | I'm not having lunch today |
| 16:53.14 | skuzzzy | heh |
| 16:53.24 | skuzzzy | on a diet?, feeling lazy? |
| 16:53.33 | wethrin | In theory the first :) In practice....not really |
| 16:53.36 | wethrin | Had breakfast around 2 |
| 16:53.40 | skuzzzy | ahhhh |
| 16:53.41 | wethrin | And dinner I'll make around 7 |
| 16:53.42 | skuzzzy | haha |
| 16:53.54 | skuzzzy | sounds like a fair two meals a day |
| 16:53.57 | wethrin | Yup |
| 16:54.19 | wethrin | Need opinion - with a bulb horn for a bike, would straight or curled be better? |
| 16:54.37 | skuzzzy | i had some chicken wings and a burger while wandering in search of dreamcast games in east london |
| 16:54.43 | wethrin | fun |
| 16:54.47 | skuzzzy | umm, not sure, theyre both just as annoying |
| 16:55.01 | wethrin | That's the point :) |
| 16:55.48 | skuzzzy | nice, i just have front brakes that honk when used |
| 16:55.54 | wethrin | :) |
| 16:56.25 | skuzzzy | makes you sounds like you were doing 40mph behind people when they hear it coming up fast behind them....their faces and the leaping...priceless |
| 16:57.02 | wethrin | point. Apparently tarring your brakes make them squeak louder |
| 16:57.28 | skuzzzy | mine arent meant to squeak, theyre meant to be very good, it was a design flaw though |
| 16:58.56 | wethrin | ah well |
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| 17:23.03 | goltor | what actually is a netsplit? (no i don't feel like teh googlage) |
| 17:23.23 | goltor | is it just the server spitting the dummy so to speak? |
| 17:23.40 | goltor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.14 | goltor | nm google ftw |
| 17:27.10 | goltor | quite a silly question really, i blame beer :-O |
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| 17:33.08 | antiphase | A netsplit is what happens on Freenode every 30 seconds |
| 17:33.51 | antiphase | Maybe it's becuase the dead bloke is still running it from the other side |
| 17:38.01 | JosefAssad | you should have seen dalnet ten yearsago |
| 17:39.17 | antiphase | I's never used internets 10 years ago :O |
| 17:39.26 | antiphase | s/s/d/ |
| 17:57.48 | hali | hmm, i think need to blog about boiled eggs |
| 17:58.00 | hali | so nice, tasty and lots of energy |
| 17:58.14 | hali | perfect start of the day or with afternoon tea |
| 17:58.41 | morsing | Is the list back?!? |
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| 18:05.03 | goibhniu | hali: rather! ... and always a jolly good idea to take one in your pocket when venturing out of the city |
| 18:05.43 | hali | goibhniu: i have a reinforced egg pocket in my laptop bag |
| 18:05.54 | hali | it's excellent |
| 18:08.02 | goibhniu | splendid! |
| 18:09.44 | goibhniu | goose eggs are great ... apparently they go bad if there's a thunderstorm |
| 18:10.10 | hali | most eggs are quite nice |
| 18:10.22 | goibhniu | I keep meaning to try those little blue ones |
| 18:10.24 | hali | probably the best reason to bring back dinosaurs, huge eggs! |
| 18:10.51 | clive-h | Why do they go bad in a thunderstorm? |
| 18:11.03 | clive-h | Only ever had hens eggs |
| 18:11.26 | goibhniu | dunno ... that's what the local egg people say |
| 18:11.38 | clive-h | Interesting |
| 18:11.50 | goibhniu | they only have them for a couple of weeks a year |
| 18:12.20 | clive-h | Ostrich eggs are pretty big |
| 18:12.20 | goibhniu | prolly some endangered wild species |
| 18:13.29 | morsing | goibhniu: How do I get a large nut through a small grommet? |
| 18:13.30 | goibhniu | nyom .. a t-rex omelette |
| 18:14.17 | goibhniu | heat the grommet, cool the nut and apply lubricant? |
| 18:14.30 | morsing | Ok |
| 18:14.43 | goibhniu | what's a grommet? |
| 18:14.56 | goibhniu | my brother had one in his ear once |
| 18:17.38 | morsing | goibhniu: Rubber thingy that you feed stuff through but prevents water from coming through |
| 18:17.45 | morsing | Like wiring |
| 18:18.26 | goibhniu | cool! |
| 18:19.46 | morsing | goibhniu: Well, I can't even get the old wiring out of there... And I don't see how I'm ever going to get a 15 mm nut through a 4mm hole... |
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| 19:19.43 | antiphase | Gentoo is so gay |
| 19:23.23 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 19:25.13 | sanelson | TiO2 |
| 19:25.46 | antiphase | Ni |
| 19:26.23 | sanelson | Mandriva is so heteroexual. |
| 19:26.32 | sanelson | avec s |
| 19:30.35 | goibhniu | sanelson: is she running gentoo? |
| 19:35.26 | antiphase | I hope not |
| 19:35.41 | morsing | sanelson: Daughter? |
| 19:36.12 | antiphase | Bricks and mortar |
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| 19:43.31 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 19:43.52 | morsing | niv_one_three: Who's disk are you on? |
| 19:43.59 | morsing | s/disk/dick/ |
| 19:44.21 | niv_one_three | pls help me bash: I seek to run "sudo l2ping -c6 -t1 $DEVICE" , and if this does respond with Can't connect: Host is down - ding |
| 19:44.36 | niv_one_three | should I : if [[ "sudo l2ping -c6 -t1 $DEVICE" == "Can't connect: Host is down" |
| 19:44.38 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 19:45.26 | antiphase | man bash? |
| 19:45.32 | antiphase | You probably don't want == |
| 19:45.38 | antiphase | -eq maybe |
| 19:45.54 | niv_one_three | thnaks antipahase - my man |
| 19:46.15 | niv_one_three | other then -eq , is it written right? |
| 19:46.37 | morsing | Who knows xmms? |
| 19:46.59 | niv_one_three | I expect bash to run then sudo l2ping , and if it gets the response I am looking for - ding |
| 19:47.05 | antiphase | You might have more success writing SAUSAGES=`sudo blah | grep 'What you want'` |
| 19:47.39 | niv_one_three | so CMD="sudo l2ping -c6 -t1 $DEVICE" |
| 19:47.42 | goibhniu | morsing: I do ... but I'm not an expert or anything |
| 19:47.55 | antiphase | backticks, to execute the command, then use if to test if you have any output |
| 19:48.01 | niv_one_three | oh ya - I got it now |
| 19:48.12 | morsing | goibhniu: It worked yesterday but know it comes up saying @Could not connect to samples.nl.emusic.com@ or something |
| 19:48.16 | morsing | 403 denied |
| 19:48.36 | niv_one_three | what is the right way? with the if statment? |
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| 19:49.59 | goibhniu | morsing: did you have to log in to emusic? |
| 19:50.09 | antiphase | if [ "$CMD" ]; then |
| 19:50.12 | goibhniu | morsing: is emusic cool? |
| 19:50.14 | antiphase | echo "It fucked up" |
| 19:50.15 | antiphase | fi |
| 19:50.28 | niv_one_three | thnaks again antiphase |
| 19:51.25 | morsing | goibhniu: Well, if anything could play it yes... |
| 19:52.12 | morsing | goibhniu: Thing is, it's just a local file I'm trying to play |
| 19:52.44 | goibhniu | morsing: is that local file just pointing to a file on the server perhaps? |
| 19:54.06 | goibhniu | I don't have a clue about emusic ... I'm pretty sure they don't use DRM though |
| 19:54.29 | sanelson | goibhniu: debian |
| 19:56.07 | morsing | goibhniu: Nope |
| 19:56.13 | goibhniu | sanelson: is she really happy with it? |
| 19:56.23 | morsing | She? |
| 19:56.56 | morsing | sanelson: Who are we talking about? |
| 19:59.03 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 19:59.05 | sanelson | goibhniu: she doesn't have much of an opinio - she's 22 months old |
| 19:59.20 | morsing | sanelson: Is this your latest daughter? |
| 19:59.36 | goibhniu | morsing: http://developer.emusic.com/ |
| 19:59.44 | morsing | goibhniu: v0.1.1 |
| 19:59.48 | goibhniu | I think that lets you convert it to mp3? |
| 19:59.59 | morsing | goibhniu: Challenge: Compile it for me... |
| 20:00.28 | sanelson | indeed# |
| 20:00.44 | morsing | sanelson: Congrats |
| 20:00.51 | sanelson | hehe she's awesome |
| 20:01.22 | goibhniu | morsing: doesn't it build? |
| 20:01.55 | goibhniu | isn't it a xul app? |
| 20:02.07 | sanelson | so who was dissing gentoo, and why? |
| 20:02.37 | goibhniu | nobody ... antiphase just said it was gay |
| 20:03.47 | goibhniu | morsing: feisty? |
| 20:04.26 | morsing | sanelson: How did you manage to give birth to a 22 month old girl? |
| 20:04.49 | morsing | goibhniu: It doesn't build. I posted the error here yesterday |
| 20:04.54 | goibhniu | morsing: http://freshmeat.net/projects/emusicj/ ? |
| 20:06.04 | goibhniu | morsing: songbird works too apparently |
| 20:07.42 | goibhniu | songbird is very nice IMO |
| 20:07.59 | sanelson | morsing: hehe, i inherited her - she came free with the beloved. |
| 20:42.07 | sanelson | ;) |
| 20:44.26 | antiphase | I may have to pay for RHEL at this rate |
| 20:45.07 | clive-h | what about CentOS |
| 20:45.34 | clive-h | 5 has shipped |
| 20:46.05 | antiphase | Is it maintained by self-obsessed geeks that insist on cramming the latest stuff into it with no regard for the end users, or making fundamental changes during a release cycle? |
| 20:46.16 | clive-h | No |
| 20:46.25 | antiphase | It may have promise in that case |
| 20:46.41 | sanelson | antiphase: it's just rhel |
| 20:46.42 | goibhniu | interesting quest |
| 20:46.42 | clive-h | It's recompiled from the srpms that RedHat make available for RHEL |
| 20:46.45 | sanelson | without the badges |
| 20:47.18 | goibhniu | doesn't mandrake not suck? |
| 20:47.23 | antiphase | I wonder if its installer can make it boot properly from SCSI. Ubuntu has already lost that fight |
| 20:47.23 | clive-h | I deployed CentOS 4.2 at my last contract |
| 20:47.39 | clive-h | centOS boots from scsi |
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| 20:47.56 | sanelson | antiphase: few controllers have issues; but it's easy to get/make external driver disk if needed |
| 20:48.00 | sanelson | woo morsing |
| 20:48.01 | sanelson | erm |
| 20:48.03 | sanelson | mozrat: |
| 20:48.04 | clive-h | or at least 4.2 did |
| 20:48.05 | sanelson | :) |
| 20:48.13 | mozrat | hey sanelcope |
| 20:48.17 | sanelson | :D |
| 20:48.18 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 20:48.20 | sanelson | wizzo |
| 20:48.32 | clive-h | Not deployed CentOS 5 yet |
| 20:48.56 | sanelson | clive-h: I have one C5 machine; tried it on laptop, but had video issue. |
| 20:49.12 | clive-h | as yet not touched it |
| 20:49.39 | clive-h | I wouldn't run RHEL or CentOS on a laptop |
| 20:49.47 | clive-h | For that I prefer Fedora |
| 20:50.16 | antiphase | The only problem I have in that case is getting something to boot now so I can download an ISO and burn it. |
| 20:50.33 | clive-h | www.centos.org has Isos |
| 20:50.59 | sanelson | antiphase: there's a netboot cd - very small |
| 20:51.38 | sanelson | or if you have reasonable bandwidth you can even just use the pxeboot initrd and kernel image and install everything over net |
| 20:51.53 | antiphase | That sounds fun |
| 20:52.02 | sanelson | just modify your grub config on a running machine; if it's new, small iso will do. |
| 20:52.32 | sanelson | or setup pxe environment - trivial if you have a clue |
| 20:53.00 | clive-h | I'd use kickstart I think |
| 20:53.05 | clive-h | and pxe |
| 20:53.09 | antiphase | I have potential clue, but little patience tonight, and a mostly knackered computer whose disks contain Solaris 10, Win XP and Ubuntu, and nothing to boot them with |
| 20:53.27 | sanelson | what's the intended objective? |
| 20:53.44 | clive-h | CD1 of Fedora contains a rescue system |
| 20:53.45 | sanelson | ie do you need a machien performing a certain functio for a certain purpose by a certain time? |
| 20:53.49 | antiphase | Earlier it was replacing Gentoo with something that's not maintained by dicks. Now it's a rescue mission |
| 20:53.56 | antiphase | It's just my home PC |
| 20:54.08 | sanelson | I'd just stick in an etch bbc disk |
| 20:54.17 | sanelson | have a working system in 30 mins |
| 20:54.32 | antiphase | I could just rip out the SCSI stuff as it causes automated bootloader installers no end of pain and failure |
| 20:54.56 | sanelson | sure, and add it later |
| 20:56.26 | antiphase | If it wasn't for the pesky UUID nonsense that Ubuntu uses to identify disks, I could probably fix Grub. I'm a LILO person though :/ |
| 20:56.38 | sanelson | :) :) |
| 20:56.41 | sanelson | lilo++ |
| 20:56.56 | clive-h | GRUB isn't hard top fix |
| 20:56.59 | clive-h | to |
| 20:57.16 | clive-h | Just boot a rescue CD |
| 20:57.38 | clive-h | see what scsi dev linux sees the disk as |
| 20:57.42 | clive-h | reboot |
| 20:57.49 | clive-h | edit grub on the fly |
| 20:58.39 | clive-h | But /dev/disk/by-uuid is very useful for USB mass storage |
| 20:58.51 | goibhniu | afaik you don't need to use that UUID stuff for fstab either |
| 20:58.58 | antiphase | Grub hangs with an error at boot, I don't get a shell |
| 20:59.17 | antiphase | I've got the boot partition mounted, but I'm buggered if I know what to do with it now |
| 20:59.19 | clive-h | So you need to boot from a recovery cd |
| 20:59.34 | antiphase | I'm using a Live CD right now |
| 20:59.44 | clive-h | well then chroot to the boot partition |
| 21:00.15 | clive-h | grub-install to whatever your boot partition is seen as or the mbr |
| 21:01.14 | antiphase | The problem is divining what the BIOS reports I assume. I used to have to do magic boot-as=0x80 voodoo with LILO, to change the logical device order |
| 21:01.33 | antiphase | I'm not booting off the first disk, because that's ATA |
| 21:01.54 | clive-h | Can you change the boot order in the BIOS? |
| 21:02.13 | antiphase | Yes, but that only seems to change the boot order and not the order in which the devices are reported to Linux |
| 21:02.38 | clive-h | Hmmmm |
| 21:02.38 | antiphase | So I can load the boot loader, but it croaks immediately |
| 21:03.10 | antiphase | Ditching the SCSI temporarily is sounding favourite |
| 21:03.26 | clive-h | grub-install would change where GRUB looks for grub.conf or whatever |
| 21:03.47 | clive-h | I've had to recover grub a few times |
| 21:04.04 | clive-h | after windows or solaris messed it up |
| 21:07.06 | antiphase | Actually I think I'm being silly |
| 21:07.58 | antiphase | How does the disk/partition numbering work with Grub? |
| 21:08.08 | clive-h | (hdx,y) |
| 21:08.14 | clive-h | x=the disk |
| 21:08.22 | clive-h | y=partition |
| 21:42.15 | wethrin | ahoy |
| 21:48.58 | sanelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.20 | wethrin | sanelson! |
| 21:49.32 | sanelson | hallo |
| 21:49.36 | wethrin | How's life? |
| 21:49.46 | sanelson | busy, but fine, I htink. |
| 21:50.59 | wethrin | Are you pubbable on Friday? |
| 21:52.24 | wethrin | I plan to be at the Founders Arms that evening |
| 21:53.28 | hali | excellent pub |
| 21:53.32 | hali | nice views |
| 21:53.42 | wethrin | indeed |
| 21:53.52 | wethrin | At it should be sufficiently warm to have the inaugural evening there |
| 21:54.21 | hali | it's a bit too touristy sometimes though |
| 21:56.02 | wethrin | True. But it's still a nice pub |
| 22:04.03 | sanelson | fridays are unlikely... i tend to work from home on fridays |
| 22:04.29 | wethrin | Boh :( |
| 22:09.30 | *** join/#gllug Skuzzzy (n=skuzzy@87-194-33-23.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:09.45 | sanelson | i am in london tues, wed, thu |
| 22:09.54 | sanelson | are you only down that day? |
| 22:09.57 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 22:10.00 | sanelson | bother |
| 22:10.01 | wethrin | Coming down on Friday |
| 22:10.05 | Skuzzzy | im here every day :D |
| 22:10.10 | Skuzzzy | :p |
| 22:10.14 | wethrin | Come to the pub! |
| 22:10.15 | sanelson | but i have *no* idea who you are! |
| 22:10.27 | Skuzzzy | time to find out? |
| 22:10.31 | sanelson | indeed |
| 22:10.43 | sanelson | asl? wanna cyber? |
| 22:10.48 | sanelson | *snort* |
| 22:10.59 | Skuzzzy | uhh, i dont do 15 yr olds |
| 22:11.39 | Skuzzzy | ive been wanting to join the london linux thing for a while, just been too busy :( |
| 22:11.51 | sanelson | wethrin: I could ask the beloved; |
| 22:11.56 | Skuzzzy | several years a while |
| 22:12.37 | wethrin | sanelson: It'd be nice to see you.... Bernie may well be there too :) |
| 22:12.43 | Skuzzzy | recently tried this chatroom to find out more at least |
| 22:13.05 | wethrin | We mostly don't bite |
| 22:13.09 | Skuzzzy | unfortunately not the busiest of irc rooms |
| 22:13.17 | Skuzzzy | i assumed as much |
| 22:13.19 | wethrin | That's rarely unfortunate :) |
| 22:13.37 | sanelson | Skuzzzy: i'm irregular here, these says |
| 22:13.38 | Skuzzzy | i dont bite either, even if provoked, i maily run away |
| 22:13.51 | wethrin | It's okay - we're more scared of you than you are of us |
| 22:14.01 | Skuzzzy | :D |
| 22:14.10 | Skuzzzy | hi, im cool, nice to meet you |
| 22:14.31 | Skuzzzy | *i'm? |
| 22:14.49 | sanelson | is the mailing list still b0rked? or did it require resubscription? |
| 22:15.21 | wethrin | The first |
| 22:15.26 | Skuzzzy | not tried yet |
| 22:15.32 | wethrin | slayerXP has set up a temporary list |
| 22:15.36 | wethrin | Hence the subscription requests |
| 22:16.18 | Skuzzzy | i wanted to see people first... |
| 22:16.28 | Skuzzzy | irc++ |
| 22:16.55 | sanelson | Skuzzzy: well, wethrin is of medium height, a little portly these days (too much beer) and last seen sporting a fuzzy beard. |
| 22:17.07 | wethrin | sanelson: Hey! I don't have a beard |
| 22:17.27 | sanelson | wethrin+++ |
| 22:17.56 | Skuzzzy | im about the saem, 24 yrears have done me well, of average build, if you need pics to prove im gorgeous just ask ;) |
| 22:17.56 | wethrin | beer++ |
| 22:18.15 | Skuzzzy | yea, ive had a few (too many) |
| 22:18.44 | sanelson | good call |
| 22:18.46 | sanelson | i have rum |
| 22:18.47 | Skuzzzy | my god, not even 12 yet :( |
| 22:18.48 | wethrin | Rum++ |
| 22:19.01 | wethrin | I also went to see Dvorak 9 being played |
| 22:19.04 | wethrin | It was rather good |
| 22:19.07 | Skuzzzy | i have 8 housemates, we bought a crate of beer |
| 22:19.08 | wethrin | And insufficiently LOUD |
| 22:19.10 | sanelson | splendid |
| 22:19.24 | clive-h | Music should be played at volume 11 |
| 22:19.29 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 22:19.39 | Skuzzzy | a crate *might* be enough |
| 22:19.50 | wethrin | That's only 3 beers each |
| 22:19.52 | Skuzzzy | also the fact im on vista is a bit poor on my part |
| 22:19.56 | Skuzzzy | :( |
| 22:20.07 | wethrin | It's okay - I'm a bit behind with my OSes too |
| 22:20.08 | clive-h | I have headphones on |
| 22:20.14 | wethrin | I'm only on OS X 10.3 |
| 22:20.25 | Skuzzzy | i do generally use debian, its just occasians require windows :(:( |
| 22:20.36 | sanelson | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:20.36 | sanelson | 4.0 |
| 22:20.43 | clive-h | err Cope knows ,e |
| 22:20.44 | Skuzzzy | and spelling requires soberness too |
| 22:20.45 | clive-h | me |
| 22:21.03 | Skuzzzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.26 | wethrin | You should cheat, and just IRC from a Unix machine |
| 22:21.29 | Skuzzzy | buit i assumed this group was cool enough to forswear the linux bit to trust... |
| 22:21.42 | Skuzzzy | fine, ill brb :p |
| 22:21.49 | Skuzzzy | i dont cheat |
| 22:21.57 | sanelson | Skuzzzy: for some time wethrin and I were *bsd / solaris only |
| 22:22.12 | Skuzzzy | heh |
| 22:22.17 | wethrin | I'm certainly not |
| 22:22.20 | clive-h | I'm ircing from Fc6 |
| 22:22.24 | Skuzzzy | i only have one machine |
| 22:22.25 | sanelson | I'm sorry |
| 22:22.28 | wethrin | clive-h: I'm sorry |
| 22:22.29 | clive-h | as I always do |
| 22:22.47 | clive-h | well except for the box that runs Fc5 |
| 22:22.51 | sanelson | actually Mrs Cope is on fc6 too |
| 22:23.01 | Skuzzzy | unfortunately its dual boot (250gb each) linux/vista rc1) |
| 22:23.27 | antiphase | CTCP VERSION reply from catalyst: xchat 2.6.8-1 Windows XP [Intel /1.60GHz] |
| 22:23.33 | antiphase | Uncloaked! |
| 22:23.36 | Skuzzzy | haha |
| 22:23.43 | Skuzzzy | nicely done? |
| 22:23.45 | clive-h | I'll move to F7 when it ships |
| 22:23.47 | Skuzzzy | brb |
| 22:23.50 | clive-h | no doubt |
| 22:27.12 | sanelson | lol: CTCP VERSION reply from Kitty: BBC Micro - Model B, Raw Telnet IRC |
| 22:27.17 | *** join/#gllug skuzzzy (n=skooz@87-194-33-23.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:27.31 | skuzzzy | ugh, for some reason my keyboard is set on american |
| 22:27.41 | Kitty | sanelson: yes, and? |
| 22:27.45 | skuzzzy | finding # is much fun |
| 22:27.59 | wethrin | It's where the backslash key is on a UK keyboard |
| 22:27.59 | skuzzzy | to join any irc channel... |
| 22:28.06 | wethrin | Err. No, that's bollocks |
| 22:28.08 | wethrin | Shift-3 |
| 22:28.12 | skuzzzy | yes, that doesnt work |
| 22:28.12 | Kitty | shift 3 |
| 22:28.14 | Kitty | as always |
| 22:28.32 | skuzzzy | ive had to use american keyboard layouts in installation many times.... |
| 22:28.41 | skuzzzy | but shift + 3 = £ |
| 22:28.46 | Kitty | # |
| 22:28.52 | skuzzzy | \ |
| 22:29.16 | skuzzzy | must be set to some random eastern wuropean language... :< |
| 22:29.19 | skuzzzy | :\ |
| 22:29.21 | skuzzzy | "" |
| 22:30.11 | wethrin | Kitty: Still want to pick up random computer bits sometime? |
| 22:30.13 | skuzzzy | its nowhere to be found AT ALL on whatever layout i currently have :) |
| 22:31.03 | sanelson | Kitty: stunning |
| 22:31.29 | wethrin | Kitty: Incidentally - have you found a willing taker for the plotter? |
| 22:31.39 | antiphase | bittorrent++ # 1600kB/s Centos download |
| 22:31.46 | sanelson | kickass |
| 22:31.56 | sanelson | antiphase: 4.4? |
| 22:31.57 | Kitty | wethrin: of course |
| 22:32.04 | wethrin | ooh? |
| 22:32.11 | Kitty | wethrin: going to use it myself |
| 22:32.15 | antiphase | 5 |
| 22:32.18 | wethrin | Ah. Yay! |
| 22:32.22 | sanelson | antiphase: woot |
| 22:32.31 | Kitty | sanelson: what ? |
| 22:32.33 | wethrin | I take it you've found something with appropriate drivers, then? |
| 22:33.10 | skuzzzy | so london linux users generally get online late saturday evenings? |
| 22:33.41 | clive-h | Today is Sunday |
| 22:33.56 | skuzzzy | so london linux users generally get online late Sunday evenings? |
| 22:34.13 | clive-h | late evenings yes |
| 22:34.15 | skuzzzy | sorry i work tues-sat |
| 22:34.31 | skuzzzy | i get confused easily... |
| 22:35.26 | skuzzzy | it is indeed very nice to meet people involved in this group....i would very much like to get involved |
| 22:35.37 | skuzzzy | myself* |
| 22:35.41 | sanelson | Kitty: what what? I don't understand your question - clarify? I found your cctp response amusing and excellent - is there anything else to say? |
| 22:35.49 | wethrin | skuzzzy: Excellent! Fancy organising a meeting? |
| 22:36.07 | Kitty | just wondering a) why are you versioning me? and b)why did you feel the need to hillight me by pasting it here? |
| 22:36.39 | skuzzzy | from the website it sounds like : find a nice pub in central, all meet there then do stuff.... |
| 22:36.47 | clive-h | c) are you really using a BBC micro ? |
| 22:36.56 | wethrin | There's talks, too |
| 22:36.57 | sanelson | Kitty: because antiphase cctp versioned catalyst, and there was previous discussion concerning who was not using linux for irc |
| 22:37.05 | skuzzzy | bbc micro++ :D |
| 22:37.13 | sanelson | and given the recent context your response was noteworthy |
| 22:37.23 | sanelson | I have a bbc b over there ---> :) |
| 22:37.25 | clive-h | There's nowt wrong with BBcs I have a few |
| 22:37.27 | skuzzzy | well, i only used acorn electron, but bbc > acorn |
| 22:37.29 | wethrin | I have one upstairs |
| 22:37.37 | wethrin | And one @parents |
| 22:37.47 | clive-h | acorn made the BBC |
| 22:37.53 | clive-h | You mean the atom |
| 22:38.03 | clive-h | I have one of those too |
| 22:38.12 | skuzzzy | acorn made a mass produced easily obtainable version |
| 22:38.19 | sanelson | indeed, electron |
| 22:38.19 | skuzzzy | less video modes etc |
| 22:38.20 | sanelson | was cheaper |
| 22:38.22 | sanelson | and only 16K |
| 22:38.34 | skuzzzy | but still damned good |
| 22:38.39 | skuzzzy | for the money |
| 22:38.51 | skuzzzy | (released the year i was born :D ) |
| 22:39.00 | wethrin | youngster |
| 22:39.06 | skuzzzy | i grew up on the acorn |
| 22:39.10 | skuzzzy | meh :p |
| 22:39.23 | skuzzzy | you wanna teach me things? |
| 22:39.28 | sanelson | bbc basic ++ |
| 22:39.37 | skuzzzy | im completely willing... :P |
| 22:39.40 | skuzzzy | exactly |
| 22:39.48 | skuzzzy | first language to be learned |
| 22:39.56 | skuzzzy | wel, general basic |
| 22:40.06 | clive-h | Interesting language BBC BASIC |
| 22:40.12 | sanelson | indeed |
| 22:40.53 | skuzzzy | line 10 home, print home sweet 'line 10', goto 10, repeat 20 |
| 22:41.00 | sanelson | erm, no |
| 22:41.11 | skuzzzy | my bad :( |
| 22:41.15 | clive-h | I had BBC BASIC,about 3 FORTHS, ADE and BCPL on my original BBC |
| 22:41.19 | sanelson | anyway, bedtime for me |
| 22:41.26 | skuzzzy | g'night :) |
| 22:41.28 | wethrin | nn sanelson |
| 22:41.38 | sanelson | clive-h: you should program the sparc open boot prom for a laugh |
| 22:41.49 | wethrin | Mmm.....forth |
| 22:41.58 | sanelson | mmm...ruby |
| 22:42.01 | sanelson | and on that matter |
| 22:42.04 | sanelson | goodnight |
| 22:42.08 | sanelson | (oh and lisp++) |
| 22:42.16 | skuzzzy | how often do gllug meetings happen, and would i be welcome if i randomly turned up? |
| 22:42.28 | wethrin | Whenever they get organised, and yes |
| 22:42.34 | skuzzzy | (spanner + works = fun...) |
| 22:42.39 | clive-h | I know OpenBoot well |
| 22:42.55 | skuzzzy | the next whener is roughly when? |
| 22:42.55 | clive-h | both on sparc and ppc macs |
| 22:43.04 | skuzzzy | *whenever* |
| 22:43.05 | sanelson | (and ruby is an acceptable lisp) |
| 22:43.07 | wethrin | Real meeting? No idea |
| 22:43.13 | wethrin | Social...Friday |
| 22:43.13 | skuzzzy | hah :p |
| 22:43.31 | wethrin | Organisers currently aren't being forthcoming :) |
| 22:43.35 | sanelson | :( |
| 22:43.38 | clive-h | : hello ." hello world " CR" is one of my party tricks on sparcs |
| 22:43.45 | skuzzzy | so i should turn u at X on fridays (after work) ? |
| 22:43.50 | sanelson | yes |
| 22:43.56 | sanelson | best thing to do |
| 22:44.00 | skuzzzy | obviously not the gfx interface... |
| 22:44.03 | sanelson | turn up, say hello, drink beer |
| 22:44.11 | skuzzzy | sounds like a plan |
| 22:44.17 | sanelson | snog bernie |
| 22:44.24 | skuzzzy | where is the general fridays knees up? |
| 22:44.24 | sanelson | oh... that's just me, isn't it? |
| 22:44.34 | wethrin | Founders Arms |
| 22:44.51 | sanelson | right - really |
| 22:44.57 | sanelson | goodnight |
| 22:45.08 | antiphase | l8r |
| 22:45.09 | skuzzzy | goodnight sanelson |
| 22:45.12 | skuzzzy | :) |
| 22:45.25 | antiphase | wethrin: Why has the list been fubar for so long? |
| 22:45.39 | skuzzzy | whereabouts is the founders arms? |
| 22:45.56 | wethrin | antiphase: I suspect Jason's having trouble with chasing up appropriate spare parts |
| 22:46.08 | wethrin | skuzzzy: Opposite Blackfriars station - other side of the river |
| 22:46.13 | antiphase | Does it run on a Cray or something? |
| 22:46.19 | skuzzzy | ahh k |
| 22:46.21 | wethrin | On a RAID array |
| 22:46.26 | wethrin | A hardware RAID, no less |
| 22:46.36 | antiphase | And what broke? |
| 22:46.50 | skuzzzy | need a photo before a random unshaven git turns up? |
| 22:47.09 | skuzzzy | or will i recognise you guys? :p |
| 22:47.18 | antiphase | Follow the smell |
| 22:47.26 | skuzzzy | sounds good |
| 22:47.43 | skuzzzy | so, yesterday, central pub..ill be there |
| 22:47.46 | clive-h | Near the Tate? |
| 22:47.53 | wethrin | You'll probably recognise geek t-shirts |
| 22:47.55 | wethrin | clive-h: Aye |
| 22:47.57 | clive-h | Tate modern |
| 22:48.02 | skuzzzy | i know where you mean, i was there last monday |
| 22:48.08 | clive-h | I know that pub |
| 22:48.26 | skuzzzy | few tables out facing thames, walk behind for steps to bridge |
| 22:48.37 | wethrin | Something like that, yes |
| 22:48.39 | skuzzzy | expensive on the food though |
| 22:48.44 | goltor | founders arms? |
| 22:48.49 | skuzzzy | smelled damn good though :< |
| 22:49.08 | clive-h | As I recall the food is nice |
| 22:49.18 | clive-h | Though service is slow |
| 22:49.51 | goltor | nice pub, burgers are a bit iffy though |
| 22:49.54 | antiphase | Gah, DVD isos are so big |
| 22:50.22 | clive-h | That's why they're on DVD not CD |
| 22:50.29 | antiphase | Fair point |
| 22:50.32 | goltor | they have that "we're just covering the offness taste of the mince" smell and taste |
| 22:51.52 | antiphase | o_O |
| 22:54.35 | skuzzzy | ..not iffy ones |
| 22:55.05 | skuzzzy | though, why choose south of the river for meetings/getherings? |
| 22:55.21 | sanelson | its a good pub |
| 22:55.37 | sanelson | and perfectl easy to get to |
| 22:55.42 | sanelson | and we like it |
| 22:55.52 | sanelson | and no i am not inbed yet |
| 22:56.02 | skuzzzy | fair enough, i recall it being a tour guided by my physics lab technition |
| 22:56.11 | sanelson | ok |
| 22:56.16 | sanelson | physics++ |
| 22:56.18 | sanelson | ask wethrin |
| 22:56.19 | sanelson | :) |
| 22:56.22 | skuzzzy | who liked his beer a whole lot |
| 22:56.24 | wethrin | physics++ |
| 22:56.31 | skuzzzy | physics degree++ |
| 22:56.47 | wethrin | I already got one, thanks |
| 22:57.04 | wethrin | We could decant to Vinopolis for food |
| 22:57.07 | skuzzzy | me too :) |
| 22:57.16 | wethrin | But that might end up getting silly |
| 22:57.28 | sanelson | wethrin: it's happened before |
| 22:57.36 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 22:57.48 | wethrin | It's often ended up getting silly |
| 22:57.52 | sanelson | it had indeed |
| 22:57.58 | sanelson | s/ad/as/ |
| 22:59.35 | skuzzzy | p.austin#NoSpam.info.curtin.edu.au (Peter Austin) |
| 22:59.35 | skuzzzy | "Very strange people, physicists - in my experience the ones who aren't |
| 22:59.35 | skuzzzy | dead are in some way very ill" |
| 22:59.36 | skuzzzy | -Mr Standish "The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul" by Douglas Adams |
| 22:59.43 | skuzzzy | :D |
| 23:00.06 | skuzzzy | (apologies for the spammage style.... |
| 23:00.14 | clive-h | Good book |
| 23:00.15 | skuzzzy | :( |
| 23:00.20 | skuzzzy | hell yeah |
| 23:00.21 | clive-h | DNA rocked |
| 23:00.36 | skuzzzy | very good qupote too |
| 23:00.48 | skuzzzy | -p |
| 23:01.06 | skuzzzy | :) ? |
| 23:02.19 | skuzzzy | next friday you may see a random studenty type wandering about looking for people who look linuxey |
| 23:02.32 | skuzzzy | what should i look for? |
| 23:02.53 | sanelson | beer |
| 23:03.02 | skuzzzy | debian tshirts, gentoo hats? |
| 23:03.09 | skuzzzy | ahh, my favourite |
| 23:03.27 | skuzzzy | who cares if i dont find you, drink and you might me instead |
| 23:03.34 | skuzzzy | *find |
| 23:05.12 | skuzzzy | dna by douglas adams? |
| 23:06.41 | sanelson | gentoo always struck me as a bit daft, but drobbins has written some good stuff (software and hardware) and the gentoo docs I've seen seem very good indeed. |
| 23:06.47 | sanelson | so maybe it's not so silly after all. |
| 23:07.05 | sanelson | s/hardware/article/ |
| 23:07.20 | sanelson | too tired... should be in bed! |
| 23:07.43 | skuzzzy | i was about to use gentoo at RC! when they switched from a net disk to net install halfway through my 600mb download o9n 56k |
| 23:07.45 | skuzzzy | :( |
| 23:07.55 | skuzzzy | *RC1 |
| 23:08.05 | sanelson | bother |
| 23:08.17 | skuzzzy | was a minor bugger |
| 23:08.26 | skuzzzy | used debian since |
| 23:08.38 | skuzzzy | and/or mandrake |
| 23:08.40 | sanelson | me, wethrin and Leeds used to make up the slackware core, but I defected years ago. |
| 23:08.52 | clive-h | I started with SLS |
| 23:09.01 | sanelson | and wethrin just doesn't use linux any more. |
| 23:09.03 | clive-h | Moved to slackware |
| 23:09.15 | skuzzzy | heard slack was a very good very user-defined core, but not rtied it myself |
| 23:09.28 | skuzzzy | *tried |
| 23:09.29 | sanelson | Is Pat still ill? |
| 23:09.32 | clive-h | and then Redhat when slackware were fscking slow to move from a.out to elf binaries |
| 23:09.54 | sanelson | I've always used redhat at work, so very familiar with rhel/centos |
| 23:10.01 | skuzzzy | i started with mandrake 7.0 deleting MS office on my 15 gb hdd :D |
| 23:10.14 | skuzzzy | and nothing else...interestingly |
| 23:10.20 | sanelson | odd |
| 23:10.24 | clive-h | I do RHEL/Centos professionally# |
| 23:10.27 | sanelson | likewise |
| 23:10.34 | clive-h | at home I use Fedora |
| 23:10.37 | antiphase | I'm forced to use Ubuntu at work |
| 23:10.42 | sanelson | debian at home |
| 23:11.00 | skuzzzy | i still go for debian, if you give a more easy to use distro ill try it.... |
| 23:11.15 | sanelson | i don't like the frequent release cycles / bugginess of fedora, and have tracked it since fc1 |
| 23:11.17 | skuzzzy | apt-get = your friend |
| 23:11.28 | wethrin | sanelson: I do use Linux sometimes still |
| 23:11.29 | skuzzzy | and mind in fact |
| 23:11.42 | sanelson | but got 2 people at home using fc6; but may migrate them |
| 23:12.17 | antiphase | Most of the completely free distros seem to have forgotten what a release schedule is, and you just get a snapshot of whatever their current package versions are when you download it |
| 23:12.27 | antiphase | I ditched Gentoo today, it's for mugs |
| 23:12.48 | clive-h | i'll move from Fc6 to F7 when it ships |
| 23:12.57 | clive-h | and I've tested it |
| 23:12.59 | skuzzzy | am interested how well games that 'support' linus now actually do...tried alien arena and nexius |
| 23:13.05 | skuzzzy | *linux |
| 23:13.07 | wethrin | skuzzzy: Look for people with geeky t-shirts (note geeky doesn't necessarily equal Linuxy). And look on the IRC mugshot page of the website |
| 23:13.12 | goibhniu | I find it hassle free and always works nicely on newer hardware |
| 23:13.13 | sanelson | antiphase: right, starting with fedora, and likewise ubuntu; debian still has sensible release scheme, and one can track testing very happily. |
| 23:13.22 | clive-h | I've various games that run under linux |
| 23:13.27 | skuzzzy | i could spot a linuxer at 100 paces |
| 23:13.30 | clive-h | doom/quake/etc |
| 23:14.20 | skuzzzy | wine *shuder* is also now better than i remember about 5 years ago |
| 23:15.18 | skuzzzy | it ran 1/250 programs, now a good amount that are 'good enough' to use because there arent replacememts |
| 23:15.19 | clive-h | wine is very good now at running IE for example |
| 23:15.33 | skuzzzy | IE isnt one id ever try to use |
| 23:15.43 | sanelson | never used wine |
| 23:15.47 | clive-h | It has it's uses |
| 23:15.53 | skuzzzy | i use it for utorrent |
| 23:15.53 | sanelson | conkeror ftw |
| 23:15.56 | clive-h | I use firefox |
| 23:16.18 | skuzzzy | fair enough, i remember liking pheonix 0.6 |
| 23:16.20 | clive-h | I use ktorrent - kde app |
| 23:16.30 | skuzzzy | which later became firefiox |
| 23:16.38 | skuzzzy | -i* |
| 23:16.57 | skuzzzy | hm, is there normall other things being talked about? |
| 23:17.06 | sanelson | all sorts of rubbish |
| 23:17.13 | skuzzzy | if so, let me defer to someone elses prefered topic... |
| 23:17.20 | clive-h | people talk about lots of stuff |
| 23:17.22 | goibhniu | no please ... this is wonderful |
| 23:17.27 | skuzzzy | i like cheese... |
| 23:17.39 | skuzzzy | french for preference... |
| 23:17.45 | goibhniu | I made a great chocolate cake the other day ... honest |
| 23:17.53 | sanelson | skuzzzy: topic is linux, but many of us are old / personal friends, and it's easy to get sidetracked onto nonsense. |
| 23:17.55 | skuzzzy | ooh, sounds yum |
| 23:17.57 | clive-h | mmm brie or camembert? |
| 23:18.15 | skuzzzy | would you mind my asking the average age? |
| 23:18.24 | clive-h | I've no idea |
| 23:18.28 | clive-h | I'm 50 |
| 23:18.30 | sanelson | is it ok to ask if I can ask a meta question? |
| 23:18.31 | skuzzzy | heh, those were my first two choices |
| 23:19.15 | skuzzzy | im 24, but believe my taste belies my age |
| 23:19.31 | skuzzzy | yes you may ask meta questions |
| 23:19.37 | skuzzzy | but ony coded in html |
| 23:19.52 | clive-h | Please don't do that |
| 23:20.07 | clive-h | meta questions in plain text are fine |
| 23:20.28 | goibhniu | typically people first ask if there is someone qualified to answer a particular field of question iirc |
| 23:21.48 | skuzzzy | my flatmate just stole my copy of the holy grail on video |
| 23:21.51 | skuzzzy | meh |
| 23:22.05 | clive-h | Seems I'm the oldest then |
| 23:22.08 | clive-h | as usual |
| 23:22.15 | goibhniu | mumperer is ancient |
| 23:22.34 | skuzzzy | they've obviously finished watching my copy of the holy grail |
| 23:22.36 | goibhniu | mumperer rocks incredibly much for his age |
| 23:22.52 | skuzzzy | is there such a thing as not rocking for age? |
| 23:22.54 | failure | goibhniu: are you always online? :P |
| 23:23.03 | skuzzzy | am i too young then? :p |
| 23:23.21 | goibhniu | failure: that is my dream! |
| 23:23.32 | failure | lol |
| 23:23.56 | skuzzzy | at age 17 i spent 11 hours a day online :D i nearly failed my Alevels |
| 23:24.06 | skuzzzy | (ftw) |
| 23:24.08 | goibhniu | ok ... a round of textual orientations? |
| 23:24.35 | failure | just joking |
| 23:25.09 | clive-h | emacs for coding well xemacs |
| 23:25.18 | clive-h | vi for simple stuff |
| 23:25.41 | sanelson | emacs now :) |
| 23:25.55 | sanelson | recent convert |
| 23:26.06 | wethrin | Yes....it irritates me that Debian's default editor is nano |
| 23:26.31 | antiphase | I picked emacs of the two when I first needed an editor, now it's vi because it's the only thing all the shitty machines I administer have in common |
| 23:26.32 | wethrin | sanelson: I have done so |
| 23:26.46 | wethrin | But it's the default that annoys me. And that I have ot isntall vi separately |
| 23:26.52 | wethrin | ed! |
| 23:26.53 | skuzzzy | on debian i havent noticed, ive used gedit under X, then vi elsewhere |
| 23:27.00 | skuzzzy | (on debian) |
| 23:28.07 | skuzzzy | i |
| 23:28.33 | clive-h | On the first unix (SVR2.1,SVR3.2) machines I admined sometimes /bin/ed was all you had |
| 23:28.54 | antiphase | I only know one command for ed: q |
| 23:28.56 | skuzzzy | ME when i was 15, ive used 2k since without fail |
| 23:28.58 | clive-h | especially if you had to boot from the miniroot |
| 23:29.13 | clive-h | and there was no ls |
| 23:29.18 | skuzzzy | ew |
| 23:29.34 | clive-h | you had to get by with 'echo *' |
| 23:29.38 | goibhniu | ls ftw! |
| 23:29.50 | skuzzzy | first distro i used properly was mandrake 7.2 |
| 23:30.13 | goibhniu | me too! mdk was great for noobs like me |
| 23:30.21 | skuzzzy | randomly decided whether it was using 3d accel on my i810 harware which resulted in several crases |
| 23:31.15 | sanelson | right; really *really* going now. |
| 23:31.20 | skuzzzy | had a minor obsession with linux from age of about 16 from father |
| 23:31.22 | sanelson | NN all (morning leeds) |
| 23:31.38 | skuzzzy | mainly from disgust from windows |
| 23:32.13 | skuzzzy | (havent personally used anything since 2k) |
| 23:32.38 | skuzzzy | other than my current vista RC1 period...IE free new windows |
| 23:32.42 | skuzzzy | :( |
| 23:33.20 | clive-h | I've run linux since 1992 |
| 23:33.27 | skuzzzy | ooOOoo |
| 23:33.37 | clive-h | Various other unixes from before that |
| 23:33.48 | skuzzzy | on and off since 97 |
| 23:33.55 | skuzzzy | mainly off |
| 23:34.08 | skuzzzy | thought a one year block of debian |
| 23:34.13 | skuzzzy | -t |
| 23:34.24 | clive-h | I only run windows if where I'm working won't let me run linux |
| 23:34.32 | skuzzzy | maybe 98 |
| 23:34.45 | skuzzzy | got my 166/16mb ram in 97 |
| 23:34.53 | failure | rh 4.2 for a while, debian or derivaties since then (kubuntu lately) |
| 23:34.54 | clive-h | i deployed my first linux server in 1996 |
| 23:35.03 | clive-h | commercially |
| 23:35.03 | skuzzzy | pfft |
| 23:35.12 | clive-h | Running DNS |
| 23:35.20 | skuzzzy | i bought my first computer in 98 :< |
| 23:35.24 | clive-h | for a largeish council |
| 23:35.40 | skuzzzy | am using a keyboard that came with about 85 ibm :D |
| 23:35.44 | failure | my first computer was a CPC464 :) |
| 23:35.49 | skuzzzy | clunky = good |
| 23:36.05 | skuzzzy | mine was an acorn electron |
| 23:36.08 | clive-h | My first home computer was a PDP-8/L |
| 23:36.09 | failure | my first PC a 386/2Mb in 1991 |
| 23:36.23 | skuzzzy | then a 66/8mb when i was 16 |
| 23:36.36 | skuzzzy | ..97/98ish |
| 23:36.51 | skuzzzy | i feel young :) |
| 23:37.02 | clive-h | my first pc was a 8086 with 2 x 320 floppy drives |
| 23:37.07 | skuzzzy | oooo |
| 23:37.10 | failure | :) |
| 23:37.11 | clive-h | and 128Kb of memory |
| 23:37.24 | skuzzzy | we had a bbc at sacool with a floppy drive |
| 23:37.30 | clive-h | I still have it |
| 23:37.39 | clive-h | I have a few BBCs here |
| 23:37.47 | clive-h | But they're not pcs |
| 23:38.07 | skuzzzy | fine, i started with my 66 |
| 23:38.13 | clive-h | on the river? |
| 23:38.29 | skuzzzy | plaistow |
| 23:38.36 | clive-h | I know it |
| 23:38.53 | clive-h | I live t'other side in Kent/SE London |
| 23:39.24 | skuzzzy | lived nin mile end (university) for a while, 5 police cars = boring....police vans out, and you might look... |
| 23:39.51 | clive-h | heh |
| 23:40.15 | clive-h | yeah we get police cars up and down here all the time |
| 23:40.29 | clive-h | it's an access road to the M2 |
| 23:40.41 | skuzzzy | moved, didnt fall asleep until i heard a siren...luckily we lived nedxt to an ambulance station |
| 23:40.50 | clive-h | about 5 miles to J1 M25 |
| 23:42.25 | skuzzzy | i feel the cold hard egde of sleep (too much to drink) approaching |
| 23:42.48 | skuzzzy | been very much fun talk to you all |
| 23:43.11 | skuzzzy | i will try to attempt the pub near the tate next week :) |
| 23:43.14 | failure | skuzzzy: good night |
| 23:43.20 | skuzzzy | g'night |
| 23:43.23 | skuzzzy | :) |
| 23:43.24 | failure | pub? which pub? |
| 23:43.34 | clive-h | what day is that? |
| 23:43.41 | skuzzzy | opposite blackfriars? |
| 23:43.45 | failure | a meeting? |
| 23:43.46 | skuzzzy | friday? |
| 23:43.57 | skuzzzy | tis what i was told earlier |
| 23:44.04 | clive-h | Oh right I could do Friday |
| 23:44.22 | skuzzzy | uhh, k, assumed it was a general meeting |
| 23:44.27 | clive-h | I know the pub |
| 23:44.32 | skuzzzy | me too |
| 23:44.40 | skuzzzy | smells good... |
| 23:45.02 | skuzzzy | too many kids and too pricey for me generally... |
| 23:45.35 | clive-h | well generally it's people that have been to the tate |
| 23:45.40 | skuzzzy | but ill be there next friday around 8? and watch the entire place empty carefully :D |
| 23:45.52 | wethrin | I'll be there from about 6 |
| 23:45.58 | clive-h | and don't want to pay insane money in the tate |
| 23:46.04 | failure | but is it a gllug meeting or what? |
| 23:46.19 | skuzzzy | ive been to the tate about once a week for last 3 weeks |
| 23:46.29 | skuzzzy | without paying jack |
| 23:46.33 | wethrin | It's a social meeting |
| 23:46.36 | clive-h | I like the Doggetts Cap and Badge pub better |
| 23:46.44 | skuzzzy | well, maybe some token payment |
| 23:46.47 | wethrin | Where's that? |
| 23:47.00 | skuzzzy | i like the crown near holborn better |
| 23:47.04 | clive-h | the restaurants in the Tate are very spendy |
| 23:47.23 | skuzzzy | 1.75 a pint :D |
| 23:47.29 | clive-h | Doggetts cap and badge is towards London Brodge |
| 23:47.41 | wethrin | But not on the river? |
| 23:47.44 | clive-h | from the tate |
| 23:47.52 | clive-h | yes it's on the river |
| 23:47.55 | skuzzzy | no, dont know the river well |
| 23:48.23 | wethrin | I thought there's the Founders Arms, the Anchor, and then the path heads inwards a bit |
| 23:49.23 | clive-h | If I recall correctly the Doggetts Cap and badge is between the anchor |
| 23:49.32 | skuzzzy | i know nothing about central, even after having lived here for 5 years |
| 23:49.34 | clive-h | and the founders |
| 23:50.21 | skuzzzy | the only person i know who would come along with me has done hardcore gay bondage porn....want me to invite him? |
| 23:50.27 | wethrin | err..... |
| 23:50.31 | wethrin | Is he a geek? |
| 23:50.38 | clive-h | http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/25/2517/Doggetts_Coat_and_Badge/Southwark |
| 23:50.53 | skuzzzy | yes |
| 23:51.18 | skuzzzy | search google for yura mamarun, and notice the correction |
| 23:51.47 | clive-h | Personally I don't care if people are gay or whateever |
| 23:51.56 | clive-h | whatever |
| 23:52.30 | skuzzzy | it was just a fun question to ask anyway |
| 23:52.37 | skuzzzy | ..same here |
| 23:52.50 | skuzzzy | he still scares the shit out of me though.... |
| 23:53.03 | failure | same here... |
| 23:53.03 | skuzzzy | even though he write java libraries |
| 23:53.08 | failure | I'm gay actually LOL |
| 23:53.09 | wethrin | That'd scare anyone |
| 23:53.15 | clive-h | are I ask why? |
| 23:53.19 | clive-h | dare |
| 23:53.29 | skuzzzy | which why? |
| 23:53.30 | failure | but well, i don't mind if people is heterosexual... |
| 23:53.35 | failure | so don't worry :P |
| 23:53.46 | clive-h | I have lots of gay,lesbian and transgendered friends |
| 23:54.52 | skuzzzy | no, he enjoyes his torture garden: 'oh fine (random white guy having sex with him), a whilke later wakes uo: oh, youve changed colour (black guy having sex with him) |
| 23:55.04 | skuzzzy | *wakes up |
| 23:55.31 | skuzzzy | and his name still gets corrected opn google |
| 23:55.33 | skuzzzy | :< |
| 23:55.55 | skuzzzy | wish i was that special, though not in one of those ways |
| 23:56.32 | clive-h | TG haha |
| 23:57.13 | skuzzzy | also gay people are fun, people keep trying to set them up with other gay people (obviously same sex) and they just sit there....doing nothing |
| 23:57.26 | skuzzzy | always awkward |
| 23:58.00 | clive-h | I suppose times have changed |
| 23:58.18 | failure | skyzz: i don't understand what you mean |
| 23:58.27 | clive-h | But mostly there are gay ghettos in the big cities |
| 23:58.47 | clive-h | Soho in London, Canal Street in Manc |
| 23:59.31 | skuzzzy | generally gay people are set up by friends with gay people who have the same 'tastes' yet its purely a general taste they have and are engaged no further |