| 00:02.09 | *** part/#gllug ceronman (n=ceronman@ACD1BEAB.ipt.aol.com) |
| 04:07.48 | clive-h | I've been running sendmail since 1990 |
| 04:07.58 | clive-h | It's *my* bitch |
| 04:08.06 | morsing | :) |
| 04:08.55 | clive-h | I used to run an X.400->SMTP gateway |
| 04:10.40 | clive-h | On opensewer |
| 04:11.02 | clive-h | i still have nightmares about X.25 |
| 04:11.26 | morsing | I have nightmares about KDE |
| 04:11.46 | clive-h | why? |
| 04:11.59 | clive-h | I use Gnome but KDE is fine |
| 04:11.59 | morsing | It's so crap :) |
| 04:12.13 | morsing | fvwm all the way |
| 04:12.22 | clive-h | ufgh |
| 04:13.31 | clive-h | I use xfce on pcs with a limited amount of RAm |
| 04:13.41 | morsing | 'k |
| 04:14.15 | clive-h | fvwm is too windozey |
| 04:14.53 | morsing | Huh? |
| 04:15.04 | morsing | I'm talking fvwm1 not 2 |
| 04:15.38 | clive-h | I like X11 |
| 04:16.05 | clive-h | Hence I prefer full X11 windows managers |
| 04:16.29 | morsing | I don't understand that... |
| 04:16.47 | clive-h | fvwm aimed to look like windows |
| 04:17.06 | clive-h | I dislike the windows UI |
| 04:17.31 | clive-h | I find it counter-intuitive |
| 04:18.56 | morsing | No it didn't. That was fvwm2 |
| 04:19.24 | clive-h | maybe I misremember |
| 04:19.44 | clive-h | fvwm2 was grim |
| 04:20.05 | clive-h | That must have been the a.out era |
| 04:20.07 | morsing | I know |
| 04:20.28 | clive-h | I ran the linux port of CDE then |
| 04:21.25 | clive-h | I quite like CDE |
| 06:08.55 | morsing | Anyone up? |
| 06:08.59 | morsing | 'moorning |
| 06:09.11 | gregj | moording |
| 06:28.45 | morsing | Beer |
| 06:31.34 | gregj | whiskey |
| 06:31.41 | gregj | beer's for sissies ;p |
| 06:31.51 | morsing | It's still early |
| 06:32.02 | morsing | I have beer on my bran flakes |
| 06:35.27 | gregj | hmm |
| 06:46.29 | morsing | Mmm... Wheel studs |
| 06:49.40 | morsing | gregj: Where do you work? |
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| 06:54.11 | morsing | IAmAI! |
| 07:00.10 | IAmAI | Hello |
| 07:05.28 | clive-h | Re |
| 07:06.26 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 07:06.30 | morsing | clive-h: You're up! |
| 07:07.29 | clive-h | I am yes |
| 07:07.37 | morsing | That's good news... |
| 07:07.59 | clive-h | Possibly not ... |
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| 07:31.32 | clive-h | I'm bored , maybe I should try ubuntu |
| 07:41.50 | morsing | Nice |
| 07:42.57 | clive-h | I can't think of anything else fun to run |
| 07:43.09 | clive-h | qnx doesn't work |
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| 07:44.17 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 07:51.05 | morsing | JosefAssad? |
| 07:54.10 | gregj | morsing: atm in .pl, but moving soon to Cambridge |
| 07:54.19 | gregj | morsing: to be exact - next week |
| 07:58.19 | morsing | To work at a car dealership? |
| 08:15.52 | gw280 | gregj: when you arrive let me know |
| 08:27.18 | morsing | My time tracking says 5.75h work done last week :) |
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| 08:29.54 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:57.44 | morsing | SlayerXP? |
| 08:57.59 | SlayerXP | yes? |
| 08:58.08 | morsing | How are you? |
| 09:00.01 | SlayerXP | tired and pissed off |
| 09:00.05 | SlayerXP | so, about normal, really |
| 09:00.06 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:00.08 | morsing | Beer? |
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| 09:16.23 | morsing | kjalil! |
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| 09:46.23 | JosefAssad | morsing! |
| 09:49.11 | morsing | SlayerXP: What are you doing today? |
| 09:50.15 | SlayerXP | resisting the urge to hit people with hammers |
| 09:52.37 | morsing | What's that freeBSD command for creating users again? |
| 09:52.44 | morsing | The complicated one... |
| 09:53.48 | morsing | ~seen wethrin |
| 09:54.29 | ibot | wethrin is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 11h 9m, last said: 'Bring back mozrat!'. |
| 09:55.05 | morsing | Yes - Bring back mozrat! |
| 09:55.08 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 09:55.21 | morsing | Can no-one answer my question? |
| 09:55.57 | hali | useradd? |
| 09:56.04 | morsing | No not that one |
| 09:56.18 | antiphase | Google |
| 09:56.21 | hali | adduser? |
| 09:56.23 | LeedsHK | adduser? |
| 09:58.08 | morsing | pw! |
| 09:58.12 | morsing | That's the one... |
| 09:58.22 | morsing | If you don't know, don't guess please... |
| 09:59.16 | hali | dudeadd |
| 09:59.17 | hali | ? |
| 09:59.17 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
| 09:59.19 | hali | is it that one? |
| 09:59.28 | wethrin | morsing: pw user add |
| 10:00.29 | morsing | wethrin: I know - found it :) |
| 10:00.38 | morsing | hali: You suck |
| 10:01.03 | hali | morsing: sorry no, i know you do like sucking... but im not in to guys |
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| 10:05.08 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 10:05.19 | morsing | ~seen sabinef72 |
| 10:05.39 | ibot | sabinef72 is currently on #gllug, last said: 'have a nice day'. |
| 10:05.39 | morsing | ibot: You suck |
| 10:05.50 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
| 10:06.37 | morsing | ibot: You're right |
| 10:19.45 | wethrin | ~change 1 GBP to USD |
| 10:20.51 | wethrin | ~change 3.1 USD to GBP |
| 10:21.17 | kjalil | wethrin: hi! |
| 10:21.57 | morsing | wethrin: You suck |
| 10:21.59 | wethrin | hi kjalil |
| 10:22.15 | morsing | wethrin: Don't forget the 17th :) |
| 10:22.21 | wethrin | 17th June? |
| 10:22.27 | morsing | Yes |
| 10:22.29 | wethrin | It's in my diary |
| 10:22.47 | kjalil | what's on the 17th? |
| 10:23.01 | wethrin | morsing's coming up to Durham |
| 10:23.15 | wethrin | morsing: http://www.pub-explorer.com/olpg/the-queenshead/gilesgate/index.htm |
| 10:23.53 | morsing | Is that where I'm staying? |
| 10:23.58 | wethrin | Reasonable enough place to stay; it's about a mile out from the city centre |
| 10:24.24 | kjalil | wethrin: looks like a really good place |
| 10:24.25 | wethrin | There's a couple of things in the city centre for £50/night :) |
| 10:25.04 | morsing | £50?! |
| 10:25.20 | clive-h | £50 isn't bad |
| 10:25.31 | wethrin | Queen's Head is £25/night |
| 10:25.36 | morsing | wethrin: How late can I check-in you think? |
| 10:25.55 | clive-h | 25 quid is very good |
| 10:25.57 | wethrin | Probably up until closing time. So around 11ish |
| 10:26.08 | morsing | wethrin: Should I order new alternator brushes before going? |
| 10:26.19 | morsing | Hmm... And driving time to Durham is? |
| 10:26.21 | morsing | 7h?# |
| 10:26.27 | morsing | Too close |
| 10:27.18 | wethrin | I've done it in 5 hours from Durham to Beaconsfield |
| 10:28.02 | wethrin | That was leaving around 8.30pm, though |
| 10:31.50 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 10:46.02 | wethrin | Pub? |
| 10:46.06 | morsing | Mmm... Beer |
| 10:46.11 | wethrin | PUB! |
| 10:46.14 | morsing | :) |
| 10:57.25 | SlayerXP | or is that not what you mean? |
| 10:57.42 | clive-h | errr not at all |
| 10:58.00 | clive-h | I need my Fedora/Redhat/CentOS cds |
| 10:58.25 | antiphase | They prevent mugs burning the desk |
| 10:59.02 | clive-h | But I thought I'd try the dark side and look at Ubuntu |
| 10:59.57 | clive-h | I ought to download Centos 5 too |
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| 11:02.09 | morsing | adminjs! |
| 11:02.12 | morsing | Beer! |
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| 11:02.37 | clive-h | Mmmm beer |
| 11:02.39 | morsing | failure! |
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| 11:09.23 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:09.47 | goibhniu | morsing! |
| 11:12.33 | morsing | SlayerXP: Well said... |
| 11:20.23 | goibhniu | @seen SlayerXP |
| 11:20.27 | goibhniu | ~seen SlayerXP |
| 11:21.24 | ibot | slayerxp is currently on #debian (2h 53m 3s) #gllug (2h 53m 3s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 23m 59s, last said: 'or is that not what you mean?'. |
| 11:27.11 | gregj | gw280: you are somewhere in Cambridge atm |
| 11:27.13 | gregj | ? |
| 11:27.29 | gregj | gw280: Monday evening (23rd) |
| 11:27.58 | gw280 | gregj: I live here |
| 11:28.39 | gregj | bloody hell |
| 11:28.49 | gregj | gotta rethink it than ;) |
| 11:28.55 | gw280 | gregj: I'm at university here.. |
| 11:29.14 | gregj | yeah, rich kid, I remember |
| 11:29.15 | gregj | :) |
| 11:29.37 | gw280 | rich kid? |
| 11:29.43 | gw280 | cambridge is a state funded university |
| 11:29.44 | gregj | rich parrents |
| 11:29.48 | gw280 | along with all the others in the uk... |
| 11:30.08 | gregj | last time I heard, I had to pay aaaalooot for uni in uk |
| 11:30.09 | gregj | so.. |
| 11:30.15 | gw280 | 3000 pounds a year? |
| 11:30.20 | gregj | something like that |
| 11:30.26 | gw280 | that's not that much |
| 11:30.29 | gregj | well |
| 11:30.30 | gw280 | and it's the same for all universities |
| 11:30.35 | gregj | state found, like in .pl - it means 0 |
| 11:30.38 | gregj | so |
| 11:31.07 | gw280 | america's universities cost about 40k USD per year |
| 11:31.59 | LeedsHK | gw280: you're a bloody rich kid - deal with it |
| 11:32.16 | gw280 | what has that got to do with cambridge? |
| 11:33.32 | antiphase | Evidently, Cambridge has better pies than Hong Kong and there is an element of jealousy |
| 11:33.51 | goibhniu | gregj: yes, beware, cambridge is full of that sort ... rich, gun slinging, lalas |
| 11:35.13 | gregj | hrh |
| 11:35.26 | gregj | well, I am aware than |
| 11:35.39 | gregj | gw280: what about food ? |
| 11:35.45 | gw280 | gregj: what about it? |
| 11:35.50 | gregj | gw280: any good chinesse (girls and food ? ) |
| 11:35.59 | gregj | bbl |
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| 11:38.17 | z00dax | humm |
| 11:38.33 | z00dax | so the gllug list seems to get most of its traffic during work hours... |
| 11:38.40 | z00dax | gw280: howse it going ? |
| 11:38.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You big bottom boil :-P |
| 11:38.46 | gw280 | z00dax: lots of work |
| 11:39.05 | z00dax | are you still at mill hill ? |
| 11:39.11 | gw280 | no |
| 11:39.55 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: terror |
| 11:40.21 | z00dax | gw280: back at uni ? is it easy to manage with 2 arms in plaster |
| 11:40.46 | z00dax | if you were in russia, and yes - some parts of india too - they would just stick wires into you and let you get right back to work |
| 11:40.49 | gw280 | only one arm in plaster |
| 11:42.37 | SlayerXP | goibhniu: you rang? |
| 11:44.02 | goibhniu | sorry to disturb you SlayerXP, morsing said you said something rather well, I was curious |
| 11:44.16 | SlayerXP | goibhniu: what did I say rather well? |
| 11:45.00 | goibhniu | morsing: what in particular did SlayerXP say most eloquently? |
| 11:49.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thats nothing my mate (you know who) has given me three yes three code keys for SLED (I move in high circles) |
| 11:50.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: they're all mine now ... wha ha haAA |
| 11:51.25 | dick_turpin | s'OK coz I now have an @opnensuse.us email address too :-P |
| 11:51.44 | dick_turpin | @opensuse.us (Bum) |
| 11:53.06 | clive-h | I quite like OpenSuse |
| 11:54.14 | dick_turpin | clive-h: I've been a suse user for years I always paid for it but since opensuse I've stopped paying, having said that I may pay for 10.3 |
| 11:57.46 | clive-h | I stopped paying for linux at RH9 |
| 11:58.36 | dick_turpin | clive-h: RH9 my eyes have gone all misty Thats we FC kicked in |
| 11:58.44 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 11:59.15 | clive-h | I've used Redhat/Fedora since RH1 |
| 11:59.28 | dick_turpin | clive-h: RH was my first distro 6 or 7 cant remeber got it off PC Answers |
| 11:59.48 | clive-h | I moved over when slackware was slow to move to elf format binaries |
| 11:59.56 | dick_turpin | remember (Willy) |
| 12:00.07 | clive-h | Willy? |
| 12:00.35 | gw280 | gregj: what are you doing on monday night then? |
| 12:00.41 | dick_turpin | clive-h: Didn't want to say Coc% |
| 12:02.09 | dick_turpin | clive-h: I know this sounds silly but I wanted a 'Paid for' release on my main system so picked SuSe Pro (I think that was its designation it seemed to change every month) |
| 12:02.28 | clive-h | I'd probably have gone solaris if it was (1) free or (2) cheap back then |
| 12:02.36 | clive-h | But it wasn't |
| 12:03.26 | clive-h | I've some version of Suse that Novell kindly gave me - Suse 9 I think |
| 12:03.39 | dick_turpin | clive-h: I have solaris 9 boxed set and 10 download we did three solaris webservers for a customer two or three months ago |
| 12:03.59 | clive-h | I used solaris at work for many years |
| 12:04.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: If you die can I have your shoes? |
| 12:04.20 | hali | i use solaris at work every day and i love it... solaris 10 pwns |
| 12:04.21 | clive-h | My own suns run solaris 10 |
| 12:04.43 | dick_turpin | clive-h: TBH I wasn't that keen on it, 10 has the Gnome desktop |
| 12:04.48 | clive-h | Except the ultra 5 which runs debian for some strange reason |
| 12:05.02 | clive-h | 10 has CDE |
| 12:05.07 | clive-h | I like CDE |
| 12:05.38 | hali | they did remove OW though :( |
| 12:05.54 | clive-h | Yeah OW is long gone |
| 12:06.00 | clive-h | as is NeWS |
| 12:06.07 | dick_turpin | clive-h: Yes I know but I wanted to look all big and clever but only one or two of the Linux commands I know would work on Solaris :-( |
| 12:06.49 | wethrin | I have a laser printer that uses the NeWSprint engine |
| 12:06.53 | clive-h | I recall teaching the developers at one job what migrating from linux to solaris entails |
| 12:06.55 | wethrin | It's a SCSI printer, too |
| 12:07.04 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: sorry all my personal possessions go to the gentoo foundation upon my demise |
| 12:07.29 | clive-h | They didn't seem to grasp that sparc binaries won't run on x86 and vice versa |
| 12:08.02 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: In that case they'll be a bugger to get on |
| 12:08.25 | clive-h | I keep meaning to install sunOS 4 on my SS5 |
| 12:08.45 | clive-h | So I can play with NeWS/OW again |
| 12:10.26 | gregj | gw280: looking for hotel, and sleeping |
| 12:10.37 | gregj | gw280: I am going to get to Cambridge around 2100 |
| 12:10.43 | wethrin | Does any newer SunOS/Solaris support NeWS? |
| 12:10.54 | wethrin | Or do I need to dig out a 32-bit sparc and install SunOS 4? |
| 12:11.07 | clive-h | Solaris 2.x did till about 2.7 |
| 12:11.17 | gw280 | lol hotel |
| 12:11.27 | gregj | I got something reserved |
| 12:12.10 | wethrin | Hm. I appear to have something resembling Sol 2.6 |
| 12:12.16 | clive-h | NeWS didn't make it to solaris 2.x |
| 12:12.26 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.27 | gregj | > 365 Milton Road |
| 12:12.30 | wethrin | boh |
| 12:12.36 | gregj | fsck know how far is it from train station |
| 12:12.39 | wethrin | Solaris 1.1.2 / SunOS 4.1.4 ? |
| 12:12.44 | clive-h | Eventually sun dropped OW in favour of Gnome |
| 12:13.01 | wethrin | I'd quite like to use that old printer :) It's pretty much brand new |
| 12:13.06 | wethrin | Just been standing around for many years |
| 12:13.06 | clive-h | There's buses to Milton from Cambridhe station |
| 12:13.27 | clive-h | s/he/ge/ |
| 12:13.34 | clive-h | urrk |
| 12:13.37 | gregj | clive-h: number ? |
| 12:13.42 | clive-h | No idea |
| 12:13.58 | clive-h | I don't live anywhere near cambridge |
| 12:14.18 | gregj | my guess is that there is some connection |
| 12:14.30 | clive-h | I recall researching the buses when I was up for a sysadmin job at CUP |
| 12:15.29 | clive-h | If I'd have got it, I was gonna rent a flat in Milton |
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| 12:22.57 | morsing | goibhniu: I could build this spec machine from scratch for under £1500. You don't |
| 12:23.00 | morsing | get opterons that slow anymore. :) |
| 12:23.12 | morsing | Seem like Linux weenies are only out to piss each other off |
| 12:24.16 | goibhniu | morsing: thanks! ... classic ... bravo SlayerXP! |
| 12:24.21 | SlayerXP | well, if people will talk bollocks in public :) |
| 12:24.51 | morsing | SlayerXP: What's the point of that post other than you wanting to look superior? |
| 12:25.11 | clive-h | building machines from scratch is so last century |
| 12:25.19 | morsing | SlayerXP: And I'm not just moaning at you, it's a lot of people on the list |
| 12:25.34 | morsing | clive-h: Well, still, no need to talk that way to people |
| 12:25.34 | SlayerXP | morsing: he's offering to sell something, I'm point out it's not worth the money he's asking. |
| 12:26.10 | SlayerXP | thereby helping people less aware of hardware prices, who might overwise think it's a good deal. |
| 12:26.37 | dick_turpin | :-) |
| 12:31.45 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:32.52 | clive-h | gala as in apple tree or the wife of dali? |
| 12:33.06 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:34.37 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I feel really bad now and will have to go and sell some kit at really over priced markup |
| 12:34.37 | dick_turpin | morsing: You drink too much |
| 12:34.37 | goibhniu | clive-h: yes! exactly!!! |
| 12:35.20 | clive-h | I have good google-fu |
| 12:35.52 | morsing | Nice |
| 12:36.05 | morsing | dick_turpin: Do I? |
| 12:38.24 | dick_turpin | morsing: Yes |
| 12:38.36 | morsing | Is that possible? |
| 12:40.43 | dick_turpin | morsing: Yes, you can always tell when the response is either "Nice" or "Beer" I think you should take the pledge |
| 12:41.50 | morsing | Check it! |
| 12:42.18 | dick_turpin | morsing: LoL |
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| 12:42.33 | morsing | JosefAss1d! |
| 12:42.33 | z00dax | checking it! |
| 12:42.44 | morsing | z00dax: Cawfy |
| 12:46.29 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Any news on my mugshot for the IRC hall of fame AKA dont borrow money from these people |
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| 12:55.10 | bilarh_ | goibhniu: can i have a little branch from your radioactive terror tree? |
| 12:55.29 | bilarh_ | i can grow it in my back garden, to keep the cats out |
| 12:57.21 | goibhniu | bilarh_: I'm sorry I don't own anything, I love the monster radioactive terror tree, but I do not own it, it's branches are not mine to give |
| 12:57.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'll sell you a franchise if you like? |
| 12:57.56 | goibhniu | bilarh_: and besides, it destroyed lotus notes here and then headed east ... towards london I assume |
| 12:58.31 | goibhniu | it was only a bonsai terror tree and I don't think it can cycle, so it will take some time |
| 12:59.39 | bilarh_ | if it destroyed lotus notes, it may not be a terror tree after all |
| 12:59.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you should stop selling things you don't own Dave Harlow isn't a wizard, you'll need bilarh_ to get you out of that mess |
| 12:59.47 | bilarh_ | maybe it's just really angry with the user interface? |
| 13:00.06 | bilarh_ | oh btw, did the homie speak work on friday? |
| 13:01.06 | goibhniu | bilarh_: kinda, I have trouble pronouncing "yard" though, my gf was extremely impressed though |
| 13:01.20 | bilarh_ | ace :D |
| 13:02.09 | bilarh_ | eh, i mean, "sick man, sick!", of course :) |
| 13:03.07 | goibhniu | I had the perfect opportunity to try it out on saturday, but I was afraid the guy leaning against the gate might detect that I wasn't really "street" and would carve me up like a lollipop (/me improvising there) |
| 13:03.26 | goibhniu | bilarh_: well sick, brov/sis |
| 13:03.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Talking of things I dont own the Fuji laptop has got to go back, the owner is going to smash it up then give it to his insurance company :'( |
| 13:03.48 | goibhniu | bilarh_: I have another one ... if you've time |
| 13:03.58 | goibhniu | bilarh_: how do you say "you know, like" |
| 13:04.22 | goibhniu | like we say back home as a punctuation mark |
| 13:04.52 | clive-h | loike? |
| 13:04.56 | bilarh_ | how do you mean, bruv? |
| 13:07.10 | goibhniu | e.g. back home speak "like, I was standin dere, an de fecker jus looked at me like, you know like, like dat like, you know?" |
| 13:07.50 | bilarh_ | hmm |
| 13:08.07 | bilarh_ | i think that sounds pretty authentic :) |
| 13:12.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So your Australian then? |
| 13:12.23 | morsing | HJUUUUUUUU |
| 13:12.26 | morsing | I'm losing my mind... |
| 13:17.12 | morsing | Well, internal email just came out with vacancies and there's both a Unix and an AIX engineer on the list |
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| 13:17.45 | morsing | ceronman! |
| 13:17.51 | ceronman | hello |
| 13:19.02 | clive-h | hmmm a linux engineer |
| 13:20.00 | morsing | clive-h: No we don't need that |
| 13:20.02 | morsing | They... |
| 13:20.12 | antiphase | Engineer is a misnomer innit |
| 13:20.21 | clive-h | Usually |
| 13:20.27 | morsing | No it isn't. |
| 13:20.43 | clive-h | I describe myself as a Systems Administrator |
| 13:20.48 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:21.01 | antiphase | Any cunt can call themselves an engineer in the UK. If you tried that in France or Germany they'd lynch you |
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| 13:23.38 | morsing | antiphase: Or in Denmark. Unfortunately here, there's no definition |
| 13:24.52 | gregj | antiphase: same in .pl. In UK there's still shortage of ppl with skills, such as linux development, low level stuff, etc. |
| 13:25.12 | gregj | antiphase: ppl usualy don't go much above the level they acheived in uni, or whatever |
| 13:25.58 | antiphase | I thought there are loads of crackers and stuff like that in .pl |
| 13:26.00 | gregj | antiphase: in my expierenced, I've seen 'cunts' in UK that were Bsc's, or whatever, but were green |
| 13:26.08 | gregj | yes, there is plenty |
| 13:26.13 | gregj | ;p |
| 13:26.27 | bilarh_ | morsing: pah, tell them to replace the linux engineer with a trained monkey.. as we both know, that's all that is required for administering linux, right? :) |
| 13:26.50 | bilarh_ | it's not like a corporate operating system like Aches or anything |
| 13:26.59 | gregj | antiphase: or ppl after unis, that were just capable of writing in java, and they code they produced - god forbid. |
| 13:27.07 | bilarh_ | "A Linux Engineer" *belly-laugh* |
| 13:27.40 | gregj | brits are, unfortunately, in a very large procentage not very skilled, or smart ppl - in terms of engeneering, or software development |
| 13:28.02 | cpufreak | in england, if you lack initiative, you flounder. |
| 13:28.11 | cpufreak | those with initiative seem to do alright though |
| 13:28.29 | clive-h | I'm not a developer as such |
| 13:28.39 | gregj | I can't speak much about linux admins, because I am not much of an admin. But it happend very often, that I know - as software devel, much more than some bloody brit who called himself linux/unix admin |
| 13:28.53 | morsing | bilarh_: It is indeed |
| 13:28.58 | clive-h | Though I'm perfectly capable of writing good code |
| 13:29.10 | bilarh_ | gregj: bah, morsing will tell you that linux isn't a *real* operating system |
| 13:29.27 | cpufreak | gregj: I was speaking in general. |
| 13:29.28 | bilarh_ | gregj: and just because you know how to write a linux device driver, don't come here and think you're a great coder :P |
| 13:29.34 | clive-h | You have to wonder why he's on here then |
| 13:29.40 | cpufreak | bilarh_: Linux isn't an operating system. |
| 13:29.45 | cpufreak | Linux is a kernel... |
| 13:29.50 | gregj | bilarh_: I know lot more than that |
| 13:29.51 | gregj | ;p |
| 13:29.52 | cpufreak | GNU/Linux is an opterating system... |
| 13:29.59 | cpufreak | </pedant> |
| 13:30.01 | bilarh_ | wot-ever :P |
| 13:30.18 | clive-h | I come from the other side |
| 13:30.21 | wethrin | Go on then....point to a definition of an OS |
| 13:30.23 | gregj | you don't need any userland to have operating system, in short. |
| 13:30.34 | clive-h | I object to the GNU/Linux tag |
| 13:30.39 | gregj | :D |
| 13:30.55 | gregj | or his clone |
| 13:30.56 | wethrin | gregj: No? how would it be useful, then? |
| 13:31.08 | gregj | wethrin: embeded things, etc |
| 13:31.09 | cpufreak | wethrin: no, you can't collect your ten pounds. |
| 13:31.48 | gregj | wethrin: who said it has to be usefull, anyway ;p |
| 13:31.48 | gregj | it works, does nothing |
| 13:31.48 | wethrin | gregj: That's mostly a single-application device |
| 13:31.49 | wethrin | cpufreak: Aww |
| 13:31.49 | clive-h | I think if RMS had chosen Linux/GNU , the redhat/fedora people might have been happier |
| 13:31.51 | bilarh_ | gregj: well, it might do something even if it doesn't have userland tools, no :) |
| 13:31.55 | gregj | wethrin: many times this single app is embeded or hooked up in kernel |
| 13:32.08 | gregj | anyway |
| 13:32.25 | gregj | won't go into that bikeshed discussion,without a glass of whiskey |
| 13:32.26 | gregj | so.. |
| 13:32.29 | wethrin | It can be argued that it doesn't really make it an OS :) |
| 13:32.32 | wethrin | Mmm....whisky |
| 13:32.57 | gregj | yeah |
| 13:32.59 | clive-h | What's an OS anyway these days |
| 13:33.15 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: how's the cannabi.. i mean job going? :) |
| 13:33.21 | wethrin | ewww |
| 13:33.24 | clive-h | I know unix is , it's in the single specification |
| 13:33.27 | wethrin | clive-h: About £2 |
| 13:33.29 | gregj | it is damn hot here |
| 13:33.39 | gregj | and I spent last two days on freaking sun |
| 13:33.46 | morsing | gregj: Thanks :P |
| 13:33.49 | clive-h | you pay for oses? |
| 13:33.52 | gregj | morsing: n/p |
| 13:33.54 | gregj | ;] |
| 13:33.58 | clive-h | how quaint |
| 13:34.08 | wethrin | clive-h: Well.....bandwidth costs |
| 13:34.13 | gregj | how akword |
| 13:34.29 | morsing | clive-h: wethrin, many many years ago, convinced me to be on here. I'm only here to keep in touch with a few friends, not because it's a Linux channel |
| 13:34.35 | gregj | wethrin: http://gj.pointblue.com.pl/niedzica/ |
| 13:34.41 | clive-h | heh |
| 13:34.48 | wethrin | Divide your monthly interweb service by the time it takes to download an ISO or two |
| 13:34.51 | wethrin | Add cost of CD |
| 13:34.56 | wethrin | And electrickery |
| 13:35.00 | cpufreak | bilarh_: only started today. |
| 13:35.01 | clive-h | i don't have a problem with that |
| 13:35.03 | cpufreak | the job I mean |
| 13:35.04 | cpufreak | its cool |
| 13:35.06 | bilarh_ | wethrin: and sossidges! |
| 13:35.22 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: cool, that's good |
| 13:35.33 | wethrin | bilarh_: SOSSIDGES! |
| 13:35.33 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: but more importantly, how was the ring? :) |
| 13:35.45 | wethrin | gregj: I notice you've been using iPhoto's export? |
| 13:35.52 | clive-h | dissing linux here though isn't a great idea |
| 13:36.02 | cpufreak | bilarh_: fine |
| 13:36.06 | cpufreak | was there over easter |
| 13:36.08 | cpufreak | and last weekend |
| 13:36.13 | cpufreak | well yesterday |
| 13:36.14 | bilarh_ | ah bonus |
| 13:36.16 | cpufreak | did about 70 laps |
| 13:36.24 | bilarh_ | damn you, i hate you :) |
| 13:36.32 | cpufreak | killed a set and half of tyres |
| 13:36.37 | cpufreak | a set of brake pads (front+rear) |
| 13:36.47 | bilarh_ | you just changed them ! |
| 13:36.50 | cpufreak | yes |
| 13:36.55 | bilarh_ | cheap hobby :) |
| 13:36.56 | cpufreak | about 20 full tnaks of fuel |
| 13:37.50 | bilarh_ | oh well, i've found a nice windy back road not too far from my house too |
| 13:37.56 | bilarh_ | proper rally feeling :) |
| 13:38.04 | gregj | wethrin: I like mac os x in general, for desktop |
| 13:38.18 | bilarh_ | so life with the scooby's worth living again :) |
| 13:38.30 | bilarh_ | now if they could only close it off for traffic :) |
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| 13:40.17 | cpufreak | yesterday was amusing |
| 13:40.21 | cpufreak | I overinflated my rear tyres |
| 13:40.23 | cpufreak | and did some drifting |
| 13:40.36 | bilarh_ | cool :D |
| 13:40.46 | cpufreak | well technically I didn't |
| 13:40.53 | cpufreak | I got the tyres hot, so the pressures went up |
| 13:41.00 | cpufreak | and did some drifting unintentionally |
| 13:41.04 | cpufreak | but I caught the slides nicely |
| 13:41.19 | morsing | clive-h: Well, why not? And I don't normally unless some narrow-minded individual starts it off... |
| 13:42.01 | clive-h | Now let's see , it's a linux user group channel |
| 13:42.17 | clive-h | There's a clue in that I think |
| 13:42.33 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: hmm, drifting is quite fun, yes |
| 13:42.49 | clive-h | Equally I'd say slagging off AIX is bad too |
| 13:42.50 | bilarh_ | there's too little snow in this country for any drifting action though :( |
| 13:42.50 | cpufreak | friend was there in his 997 GT3RS |
| 13:43.00 | clive-h | and I don't do that |
| 13:43.01 | cpufreak | which was fun to chase down |
| 13:43.09 | bilarh_ | (for the record, i didnt' slag aix off) |
| 13:43.22 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: hehe cool... i guess it's got more to do with drivers than cars though, most of the time |
| 13:43.23 | gregj | cd /home && for a in `ls`; do echo -n -e "\n$a\n" ; B=$a/Maildir/new/ && ( for i in `ls $B` ; do grep '\*Prawdopodobnie\ SPAM' "$B$i" && rm -rf "$B$i"; done ); cd /home; done |
| 13:43.30 | bilarh_ | seeing as sabine beat JC in a transit:) |
| 13:43.39 | clive-h | I don't slag distros I don't use off either# |
| 13:44.10 | clive-h | Though Redhat seems to get slagged off al the time, which I do use |
| 13:44.19 | clive-h | s/al/all/ |
| 13:44.53 | morsing | clive-h: Well, other people do. And I have used Linux for 11 years now so I don't see how my presence here is irrelevant |
| 13:45.11 | clive-h | I didn't say it was |
| 13:45.38 | morsing | Linux is a tool for me. It's not better than AIX but it's cheaper and more convinient |
| 13:45.45 | cpufreak | bilarh_: yeh, my mate had only done abotu 50 laps |
| 13:45.56 | morsing | And I don't mind using it but I'm not religious about it |
| 13:46.15 | JosefAssad | bloody sore throat |
| 13:46.34 | morsing | Really? |
| 13:46.56 | morsing | Why? |
| 13:47.02 | clive-h | and you've just implicitly slagged it off 'not better than AIX' |
| 13:47.15 | morsing | Have I? How's that slagging it off? |
| 13:47.44 | clive-h | But let it pass |
| 13:47.49 | morsing | Please... |
| 13:48.22 | clive-h | I found AIX 'interesting' shall we say |
| 13:48.29 | antiphase | "relic" |
| 13:48.32 | JosefAssad | Are we slagging something or someone off?Can I join in? |
| 13:48.52 | morsing | clive-h: Different? |
| 13:49.10 | clive-h | Certainly different |
| 13:49.14 | morsing | Good |
| 13:49.27 | clive-h | But I've used countless other unix varients |
| 13:49.41 | clive-h | So I'm used to different |
| 13:51.21 | clive-h | The only unix that made me cry was DC/OSx |
| 13:52.18 | clive-h | Setting up printers on that involved a call to Siemens who were the MIPS reference model |
| 13:53.15 | clive-h | SysV 4.2 line printing was an abominatiom |
| 14:00.56 | hali | dg/ux used to be quite painful as well |
| 14:01.29 | clive-h | never touched dg/ux |
| 14:02.12 | clive-h | I remember tendering for a big unix mini-computer and someone trying to sell me dg/ux |
| 14:02.38 | clive-h | I went for ICL and DRS/NX in the end |
| 14:04.03 | clive-h | Strange times when a SuperParc II was actually quite fast |
| 14:04.07 | cpufreak | bilarh_: http://badger.ing.me.uk/andy_nurburg/index.html |
| 14:04.21 | clive-h | SuperSparc even |
| 14:05.27 | morsing | Is that you? |
| 14:05.28 | morsing | http://badger.ing.me.uk/andy_nurburg/25.html |
| 14:06.22 | cpufreak | yes |
| 14:08.17 | morsing | You need to grow a beard man :) |
| 14:09.01 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: scooby in front, obviously :p http://badger.ing.me.uk/andy_nurburg/19.html |
| 14:09.54 | cpufreak | yes, coz I'd just csught him and was about to pass him :) |
| 14:10.49 | bilarh_ | lies! \ |
| 14:11.03 | cpufreak | imprezza are slow |
| 14:11.15 | cpufreak | and hevy |
| 14:11.42 | cpufreak | photos were taken over two weekends, which is why some my bonnet badge is stil missing |
| 14:12.27 | bilarh_ | :) |
| 14:22.07 | niv_one_three | I forgot :-( how to execute a program as another user? so root may run /foo/bar as natan ? |
| 14:23.18 | gregj | cpufreak: I thought that you were just a pilot for a sec, but than reminded myself how odd country UK is, in respect for traffic, steering wheel , etc |
| 14:23.36 | gregj | it's 2 years now, since I left UK |
| 14:23.46 | morsing | gregj: Has it really been that long :P |
| 14:24.06 | gregj | yup |
| 14:24.21 | gregj | I left just at the begning of 2005, around march |
| 14:24.50 | gregj | at that time .pl joined eu, and my visa expired in april 2005, or june |
| 14:25.00 | gregj | and I remember leaving before all that |
| 14:25.28 | cpufreak | gregj: no, the black m3 csl is mine, I was driving :) |
| 14:26.46 | gregj | nice car |
| 14:26.53 | gregj | I got something older, but also of german orgin |
| 14:27.05 | gregj | 87 VW scirocco mk2 |
| 14:27.34 | cpufreak | 1.8 16v? |
| 14:27.52 | cpufreak | + thanks |
| 14:28.14 | cpufreak | I like vws, use to have golfs a whle back, they're great cars |
| 14:29.03 | gregj | no 16v |
| 14:29.06 | gregj | but 1.8 jh, yes |
| 14:29.33 | rhowe | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ |
| 14:30.15 | niv_one_three | sudo... |
| 14:30.25 | clive-h | I remember buying SVR 2.3 |
| 14:30.34 | gregj | cpufreak: http://www.zlew.org/sroka/ |
| 14:30.55 | clive-h | It came with paper docs suggesting that csh was very broken |
| 14:31.00 | gregj | that was in winter, 300 at night |
| 14:35.42 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 14:43.46 | gregj | what's the order of pedals in akward-british car from left to right ? |
| 14:44.02 | SlayerXP | CBA |
| 14:44.02 | gregj | asuming that you have manual gear box |
| 14:44.11 | gregj | c stands for ? |
| 14:44.17 | SlayerXP | Clutch |
| 14:44.20 | gregj | so it is the same as in the normal world |
| 14:45.37 | morsing | C? |
| 14:45.46 | morsing | What's a clutch? |
| 14:46.56 | antiphase | A thing that people with more than 3 gears have |
| 14:50.31 | phearless | hi #gllug ! |
| 14:50.48 | morsing | phearless! |
| 14:57.56 | rhowe | "please log me off" |
| 14:58.01 | morsing | rhowe: Nice |
| 14:58.53 | SlayerXP | rhowe: skill -9 <username> |
| 14:59.01 | wethrin | rhowe: "Done. You are now logged off permanently from the network" |
| 14:59.19 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 15:00.27 | antiphase | Why don't you just rename this channel as #morsing and be done with it? |
| 15:00.55 | morsing | How would that help rhowe not ignoring me? |
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| 15:07.02 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 15:07.18 | clive-h | hir morsing |
| 15:07.22 | clive-h | hi |
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| 15:11.50 | morsing | Jasperw! |
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| 16:09.55 | dick_turpin | Blimey anyone would think its Friday, very quiet this afternoon |
| 16:10.49 | LeedsHK | it's Tuesday |
| 16:11.16 | clive-h | No it's Monday |
| 16:11.25 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: I bet it is for you |
| 16:13.39 | dick_turpin | ibot: |
| 16:13.48 | dick_turpin | ibot wake everyone up |
| 16:13.50 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 16:16.45 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Who's the daddy huh huh |
| 16:17.26 | LeedsHK | ooh, that reminds me... wanted to buy some lucky bamboo |
| 16:18.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Plant Killer |
| 16:18.31 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you drove over it with your radioactive vehicle!! |
| 16:18.47 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Is that the same as lucky heather? |
| 16:19.22 | goibhniu | dick_turpin == enviro/terror-imperial-ist |
| 16:19.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah the didnt kill it that gave it a whole new lease of life |
| 16:19.41 | dick_turpin | that |
| 16:19.44 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it was happy with it's old life |
| 16:19.56 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: who do you think you are .. shiva? |
| 16:21.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Na I want to be that one with six arms then I can scratch me bum, pick me nose, make phone calls, work the keyboard and still have three hands spare |
| 16:21.54 | dick_turpin | nothing like multi tasking |
| 16:22.11 | LeedsHK | no, it isn't |
| 16:24.24 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: You probably wont understand but when I get stopped in the street "Buy some lucky heather sir" my response is "Whats lucky about it you stopped me from walking thats not very lucky" you should see the confused look on their face |
| 16:25.24 | LeedsHK | of course I understand |
| 16:25.56 | clive-h | The gpl is silly? |
| 16:25.59 | LeedsHK | an alternate answer would be "it's not very lucky is it - it got picked and turned into a crappy charm" |
| 16:26.13 | goibhniu | clive-h: the someone else is very silly |
| 16:26.27 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Yep thats the other one I use |
| 16:26.48 | clive-h | I support the gpl |
| 16:27.18 | clive-h | Though I'm mildly sceptical about gpl v3 |
| 16:27.28 | goibhniu | I support it also ... and all future versions!! ... forever!!! |
| 16:27.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: will you support me? |
| 16:28.09 | clive-h | But v3 is still in flux |
| 16:28.39 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you're not the gpl! |
| 16:29.00 | goibhniu | linus says he'll say yes if someone gives him enough vodka |
| 16:29.25 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I could be if you want |
| 16:30.10 | wethrin | PIE |
| 16:30.10 | clive-h | There is a very real need for the linux kernel people to sign up to the new GPL |
| 16:30.17 | LeedsHK | I'm the GPL and so's my wife |
| 16:30.30 | clive-h | and not just Linus |
| 16:30.55 | dick_turpin | My car is the GPL (And with that I'm off) |
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| 16:32.19 | clive-h | Forking the kernel legally would be non-trivial |
| 16:32.19 | cpufreak | I am the walrus googoogoochoo |
| 16:40.44 | wethrin | Is that the rather horrid GPL3? |
| 16:40.51 | bilarh_ | i'm the shit :) |
| 16:41.55 | goibhniu | bilarh_: you is fat |
| 16:45.27 | goibhniu | bilarh_: any street gems to drop on us today? |
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| 16:47.31 | bilarh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.39 | bilarh_ | except maybe that sick == good |
| 16:48.10 | bilarh_ | i didn't have a chance to venture into tesco's over the weekend unfortunately |
| 16:49.31 | wethrin | Anyone got some spare registered DDR memory (PC2700ish)? |
| 16:52.09 | goibhniu | bilarh_: you is well sick brov, exceedingly so, innit |
| 16:57.26 | bilarh_ | oh, exceedingly... must try to drop it into a conversation with me brethren and see how they react :) |
| 17:00.16 | hali | did i mention that bilarh_ was wearing a hoodie last time i saw him? :) |
| 17:00.30 | bilarh_ | yes bruv |
| 17:00.48 | hali | and a big sovereign ring |
| 17:00.57 | bilarh_ | wtf, it's a wedding band :P |
| 17:02.42 | bilarh_ | anyway, bruvs, time head back to my yard |
| 17:03.30 | hali | i can't even understand half of that |
| 17:03.30 | goibhniu | bilarh_: peas bruv |
| 17:04.14 | bilarh_ | see you later homies |
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| 17:31.03 | goibhniu | later homo sapiens |
| 18:05.07 | morsing | hali: yikes |
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| 18:18.49 | morsing | Cope__! |
| 18:28.57 | morsing | George? |
| 18:30.59 | JosefAssad | Mallory. |
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| 18:33.46 | morsing | kjalil! |
| 18:40.03 | morsing | Where's TwoSheds? |
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| 18:50.39 | morsing | boudiccas: Where's TwoSheds? |
| 18:53.19 | boudiccas | dunno, you tell me :) |
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| 18:58.04 | morsing | kjalil! |
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| 19:13.15 | morsing | GingerDog! |
| 19:13.30 | GingerDog | morsing! |
| 19:14.53 | morsing | GingerDog: Do you want to buy a car? |
| 19:16.16 | GingerDog | no thanks; one is enough |
| 19:17.45 | morsing | Is it? How's one ever enough? |
| 19:18.25 | GingerDog | well; one costs enough money as it is; why would i therefore want 2 ? |
| 19:24.09 | z00dax | GingerDog: how do you know you dont want it till you try it |
| 19:30.02 | morsing | GingerDog: I really think you should buy it... |
| 19:32.37 | GingerDog | well, if you _pay_ me to buy it, and buy my current car, _and_ i think it's a good deal, perhaps I'll consider it :) |
| 19:33.07 | morsing | Nice |
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| 19:44.03 | morsing | Does anyone know what NBG means? |
| 19:44.27 | morsing | Ahh... No Bloody Good! |
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