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| 00:42.23 | rsd- | evenin' |
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| 01:12.19 | goibhniu | hey rsd- .. was it good? |
| 01:15.18 | rsd- | yeah it was a lot of fun |
| 01:15.24 | rsd- | i didn't meet anyone that was in GLLUG |
| 01:15.36 | rsd- | but still lots of fun |
| 01:15.36 | rsd- | :) |
| 01:15.50 | z00dax | where was this ? |
| 01:15.58 | rsd- | maiden lane .. wc2 |
| 01:16.04 | rsd- | place called the porterhouse |
| 01:16.11 | z00dax | and what was the celebration about ? |
| 01:16.15 | rsd- | python |
| 01:16.25 | z00dax | ah ok |
| 01:16.28 | z00dax | cool |
| 01:16.34 | z00dax | ruby is the new black |
| 01:16.34 | rsd- | are you two going to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 01:16.41 | rsd- | true |
| 01:16.43 | z00dax | yes i am, I organised it |
| 01:16.47 | rsd- | oh cool |
| 01:16.50 | rsd- | it will be my first |
| 01:16.57 | z00dax | be quite anti-social if I was to not make it there |
| 01:17.08 | rsd- | true |
| 01:17.10 | Leeds | bah, ruby is just a fad... people think it's cool because it's all Oriental and stuff :-) |
| 01:17.21 | z00dax | Leeds: perhaps :) |
| 01:17.23 | clive-h | perl++ |
| 01:17.32 | rsd- | the fact that it is so popular is what made me start with python |
| 01:17.50 | Leeds | rsd-: yay! |
| 01:17.52 | clive-h | Though I fancy learning python |
| 01:18.14 | rsd- | Leeds: at the python meeting i could've sworn someone introduced themself as "Leeds" |
| 01:18.22 | z00dax | clive-h: if you know anything about coding and programming as a practise, it takes about 20 min to get productive with python and 45 if you read the full tutorial |
| 01:18.31 | Leeds | rsd-: well, it certainly wasn't be - but I'd have been there if I was in London |
| 01:18.47 | rsd- | i'm very surprpised i didn't meet 1 person in GLLUG |
| 01:19.09 | z00dax | gllug is a very loosely associated set of people.. |
| 01:19.12 | clive-h | I started my career in IT in 1984 as a Programmer |
| 01:19.21 | rsd- | a lot of them mentioned london 2.0 |
| 01:19.21 | z00dax | with exceptionally low exposure. rsd- I hope you told everyone about gllug |
| 01:19.35 | rsd- | z00dax: i'm pretty sure i mentioned it to everyone there |
| 01:19.44 | z00dax | rsd-: what ? all 4 of them ? |
| 01:19.53 | rsd- | z00dax: actually it was about 20 |
| 01:19.57 | z00dax | :P |
| 01:20.04 | rsd- | surprising, yes. |
| 01:20.07 | clive-h | London 2.0? |
| 01:20.15 | rsd- | no the london python study group |
| 01:20.24 | z00dax | quite funny. |
| 01:20.30 | z00dax | the php meet's get 100's of people |
| 01:20.39 | z00dax | heck the javascript meet a few months back had 140 people |
| 01:20.45 | clive-h | Ugggh PHP |
| 01:20.52 | z00dax | but then I suppose more people use javascript than python in this world. |
| 01:20.54 | z00dax | sad but true |
| 01:21.16 | z00dax | now, i get to go read some python code. |
| 01:21.27 | z00dax | ooh.. nice. what sort of systems ? |
| 01:21.27 | clive-h | I don't have any use for php |
| 01:21.35 | z00dax | and you really should come to the puppet talk then |
| 01:21.40 | clive-h | Linux/Solaris/any other unix |
| 01:21.59 | clive-h | Is that like Parrot? |
| 01:22.08 | rsd- | tomorrow should be fun |
| 01:22.19 | rsd- | goibhniu: are you going? |
| 01:22.27 | z00dax | clive-h: no, its cfengine, but a generations ahead |
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| 01:22.35 | clive-h | I'm off to West Yorks so I'll miss it all |
| 01:22.52 | clive-h | Ooh I'd be interested in puppet then |
| 01:23.07 | z00dax | yes, pretty much anyone who manages more than 5 machines - should be |
| 01:23.11 | z00dax | well, in some tool of this nature anyway |
| 01:23.16 | z00dax | btw, i do lots of sysadmin |
| 01:23.20 | z00dax | and i have lots of use for php |
| 01:23.21 | resudaed | anyone got any experience of b/width shaping? |
| 01:23.33 | goibhniu | rsd-: I's love to .. I'll probably be on the train tho |
| 01:23.35 | clive-h | I have ummm rather more than 5 machines at home |
| 01:23.37 | z00dax | although i have been trying to use more ruby and mod_python recently |
| 01:23.56 | clive-h | There's 4 running linux in this room |
| 01:24.03 | goibhniu | resudaed: I used wondershaper once :D |
| 01:24.33 | z00dax | ip2 is pretty much all you need for b/w stuff |
| 01:24.34 | goibhniu | resudaed: to simulate a bad dial up connection |
| 01:24.56 | resudaed | goibhniu : I'm playing with master shaper, but the machine has a bittorrent client running locally, and I want to through that through the shaper |
| 01:24.58 | clive-h | Yeah I use ip2 for that |
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| 01:25.44 | goibhniu | I tried trickle ... but with little success |
| 01:26.19 | z00dax | damn this channel is busy at this hour of the night |
| 01:26.19 | z00dax | goto sleep you lot, i have anaconda sources to look at |
| 01:26.20 | clive-h | Lol |
| 01:26.20 | serris | hi z00dax |
| 01:26.20 | resudaed | my connection is worse than dial-up atm (two bt users, one who doesn't set a limit on his ustream, so I did it for him, but mine seems to bypass the shaping |
| 01:26.20 | clive-h | I'm between contracts |
| 01:26.20 | z00dax | serris: hey |
| 01:26.21 | serris | how's it going? |
| 01:26.24 | clive-h | and restricted 9am-10pm |
| 01:26.26 | z00dax | not bad, playing with anaconda |
| 01:26.37 | Leeds | for the record, it was anaconda which first got me to look at python |
| 01:26.45 | z00dax | really ? |
| 01:26.54 | z00dax | how long back was this |
| 01:27.12 | Leeds | 2000 |
| 01:27.13 | clive-h | Anaconda is a good installer |
| 01:27.24 | z00dax | things have improved since anaconda-11.x |
| 01:27.35 | z00dax | the code is a lot cleaner and the assumtion stuff is a lot cleaner |
| 01:27.45 | z00dax | clive-h: I am working on the centos-5 anaconda at the momen |
| 01:27.50 | z00dax | +t |
| 01:28.05 | clive-h | The first spin of anaconda on FC6 barfed if you enabled the Extras Repoistory |
| 01:29.04 | clive-h | I rolled out centos 4.2 at my last contract across the new web farm |
| 01:29.43 | Leeds | z00dax: towards the end of Life At SCO, we actually put together an RH derivative for IA64, as a random project... I was playing with the installer |
| 01:29.54 | clive-h | It's much better done that WhiteBox |
| 01:30.22 | clive-h | I went to the Bushey SCO offices ocasionally |
| 01:35.42 | resudaed | so apart from moving my btclient to another host (ugly) (or bouncing it off another host (v.ugly), can anyone think of a way to force it through shaping? |
| 01:36.11 | clive-h | iptables? |
| 01:36.38 | resudaed | but what do I filter? most bt traffic is seemingly random |
| 01:37.18 | clive-h | really? |
| 01:37.23 | clive-h | I run a bt client |
| 01:37.44 | clive-h | my router doesn't allow many inbound ports |
| 01:37.50 | resudaed | well, apart from a actual packet content match it is |
| 01:38.16 | Leeds | clive-h: I used to work on Unixware |
| 01:38.35 | resudaed | inbound isn't the problem, it's outbound (I have a 16:1 down/up ration from the isp) |
| 01:38.59 | clive-h | I used to work for CFM/ICL running Unixware on DRS6000s/Teamservers |
| 01:39.27 | clive-h | 4.0/4.2/4.2 MP |
| 01:39.30 | resudaed | I can limit from the client, but that isn't what I'm aiming for, I want all clients to hit the same limits |
| 01:39.36 | Leeds | I used to work for SCO, on Unixware installation and package management... |
| 01:39.51 | clive-h | Heh |
| 01:40.07 | clive-h | I still have a copy of Unixware 5 I think it is |
| 01:40.14 | clive-h | for x86 |
| 01:40.25 | Leeds | I worked on 7 |
| 01:40.51 | clive-h | I know it runs on my legacy PII 350 box |
| 01:46.03 | rsd- | goodnight |
| 01:46.54 | Leeds | morning |
| 01:47.33 | rsd- | heh :P |
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| 05:14.26 | niv_one_2hree | hi? |
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| 05:15.34 | niv_one_three | wethrin: here? |
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| 07:11.27 | niv_one_1hree | anyone awake? |
| 07:11.39 | gw280 | THINKPAD DEATH |
| 07:11.48 | niv_one_1hree | what? |
| 07:12.13 | gw280 | my thinkpad has died |
| 07:12.22 | niv_one_1hree | gw280: :-( |
| 07:12.50 | gw280 | well, the hard disk in it has |
| 07:12.57 | niv_one_1hree | I got a question , and I suppose to dbring sheets to the youth hostel? |
| 07:13.28 | niv_one_1hree | am I suppose to bring sheets to sleep on in the youth hostel? |
| 07:13.33 | gw280 | for FOSDEM? |
| 07:13.35 | niv_one_1hree | I mean at fosdem |
| 07:13.45 | gw280 | I doubt it |
| 07:13.47 | gw280 | I booked into a hotel :D |
| 07:13.56 | niv_one_1hree | I am staying at berl |
| 07:16.10 | gw280 | I love my thinkpad :'( |
| 07:40.36 | sabinef72 | morning |
| 07:40.40 | sabinef72 | morsing: where are you ???????? |
| 07:41.37 | gw280 | ARGH MY LEG |
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| 10:04.07 | Leeds | mikejw: all booked/ |
| 10:04.08 | Leeds | ? |
| 10:06.11 | antiphase | Why does Ubuntu have to suck cock in so many ways |
| 10:06.44 | gw280 | because every OS sucks |
| 10:07.27 | mikejw | Leeds: yo buddy |
| 10:07.43 | mikejw | I'll be flying by the seat of my pants |
| 10:07.48 | mikejw | on the train |
| 10:08.09 | mikejw | Leeds, are you going this year |
| 10:08.11 | mikejw | ? |
| 10:08.33 | Leeds | um, obviously not |
| 10:09.35 | mikejw | is it obvious? |
| 10:10.01 | mikejw | that's a shame though |
| 10:10.04 | mikejw | :( |
| 10:10.21 | Leeds | well, given that I haven't lived in Europe for almost 2 years... |
| 10:10.32 | Leeds | it would be a really really long way to go for a weekend |
| 10:11.00 | mikejw | oh yeah see what you mean |
| 10:12.00 | mikejw | if anyone needs a floor to sleep on, by the way, I might be able to squeeze you in my hotel rrom |
| 10:12.13 | Leeds | where are you staying then? |
| 10:13.42 | gw280 | mikejw: haha |
| 10:13.48 | gw280 | mikejw: will your hotel allow that? |
| 10:14.20 | mikejw | probably not actually |
| 10:14.37 | mikejw | who knows |
| 10:15.24 | mikejw | I'll be at the hotel erasme, hopefully |
| 10:15.34 | murb | a large hotel probably wouldn't notice. |
| 10:15.41 | Leeds | not sure I know that one |
| 10:15.52 | murb | and typically they charge the same for single or double occupancy anyway. |
| 10:16.05 | mikejw | :] |
| 10:16.22 | mikejw | does route de lennik ring any bells? |
| 10:16.42 | mikejw | I'm preparing to be get stuck / lost |
| 10:16.48 | mikejw | it should be fun |
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| 10:29.08 | Leeds | hmm... paranoid now... |
| 10:29.38 | z00dax | log_check_paranoid |
| 10:30.32 | Leeds | ah, less paranoid... |
| 10:32.00 | Leeds | chatting with Jasmine... she backed down from a constant "I don't like you, you should just leave Hong Kong and go to Israel now" and admitted that maybe she liked me a little bit... I replied "and I love you with all my heart" - as a joke... she logged off just as I hit return, so I wasn't sure if she'd got the message or not |
| 10:32.53 | Leeds | but I got a message back from bitlbee telling me that the message hadn't been delivered... so at least I know :-) |
| 10:33.22 | z00dax | damn' bad timing foo dude |
| 10:35.48 | antiphase | Sounds like some hardcore stalking gone wrong |
| 10:36.50 | z00dax | yeah dude |
| 10:37.10 | z00dax | wuz wrong wid ya phase btw dude ? |
| 10:39.14 | Leeds | huh? |
| 10:40.21 | z00dax | wux fer the antiphaser |
| 10:40.36 | z00dax | s/the/da/ |
| 10:41.50 | goibhniu | z00dax: stop bogarting that joint ... my friend |
| 10:42.15 | Cope | any idea why I can't get an MX record for gmail? |
| 10:43.11 | z00dax | wuz a bogart, an whure cen eke git one |
| 10:43.43 | Cope | $ dig mx gmail.com | grep -i mx |
| 10:43.43 | Cope | ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> mx gmail.com |
| 10:43.43 | Cope | ;gmail.com. IN MX |
| 10:43.54 | Cope | but I get an a record |
| 10:44.22 | Cope | hrm, that said, I can't seem to get an MX record for anything |
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| 10:46.45 | Leeds | Cope: I believe it's okay to fallback on an A record if you can't find an MX... or if it's not okay, it's at least widely-done |
| 10:47.31 | Cope | hrm |
| 10:47.38 | rsd- | good mornin |
| 10:47.40 | Cope | i seem to be unable to get any mx record |
| 10:49.08 | antiphase | Your DNS resolver is broken |
| 10:49.33 | goibhniu | rsd-: aiight! |
| 10:50.07 | Leeds | mine works... |
| 10:51.24 | Cope | well, i can get a records, but not mx; so wondering what on earth could cause that |
| 10:51.46 | Cope | Leeds: right |
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| 10:53.50 | Leeds | your ISP is filtering MX records, so they can force you to use their smarthost rather than sending smtp directly to the mx host |
| 10:54.09 | murb | Leeds: that would be very very crap! |
| 10:54.57 | Leeds | murb: oh, it was completely made-up bullshit, to explain a random problem... but you and I both know that some ISPs *are* that braindead |
| 10:55.49 | Cope | you know... you could very well be right |
| 10:56.03 | murb | Cope: dig @ns1.google.com. +short mx gmail.com ? |
| 10:56.43 | Cope | yep - I get results if I specify that name server |
| 10:56.52 | Cope | but the ISP-provided one doesn't give MX answers |
| 10:58.26 | murb | any anything? |
| 10:58.35 | murb | s/any/on/ |
| 11:03.52 | SlayerXP | so, who's coming along to fotango tonight? |
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| 11:11.21 | mumperer | Morning, learned lads and ladesses: I looked on the web on Sunday for an insurance company listed in a newspaper. I found the site, clicked on it to display the "home" page, read it, thought "ho hum" and forgot about it, going onto more interesting things like reading the conversations on GLLUG. This morning, I get by snailmail a promo booklet from that insurance company. I did NOT click on anything committing on the site. So - addresses picked up eve |
| 11:13.18 | Leeds | a coincidence |
| 11:13.27 | Leeds | almost certainly |
| 11:25.13 | tripitaka | very unlikely they could / would trace you - the effort and cost involved wouldn't be worth it |
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| 11:28.55 | flips_and_rails | ibot 27,276.00 usd in gbp |
| 11:29.01 | flips_and_rails | ibot change 27,276.00 usd in gbp |
| 11:29.03 | flips_and_rails | ibot change 27,276.00 usd to gbp |
| 11:29.13 | flips_and_rails | ibot change 27276.00 usd to gbp |
| 11:31.17 | mumperer | Hi Leeds et al: your reassurances happily accepted - I'll now try a nap ... |
| 11:33.41 | mikejw | http://www.matadorrecords.com/mpeg/cat_power/The%20Greatest.mp3 |
| 11:35.24 | mikejw | oops that won't work |
| 11:35.39 | tripitaka | works for me, good stuff |
| 11:35.49 | mikejw | oh ok |
| 11:35.51 | mikejw | :0] |
| 11:37.54 | tripitaka | You might like http://www.phys.uu.nl/~3062015/muziek/Bic%20Runga%20-%20Sway%20(1).mp3 |
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| 11:46.18 | mikejw | tripitaka: hmm sounds familiar this song |
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| 11:52.01 | hali | any kiwis here? :) |
| 11:52.04 | hali | http://www.adultsheepfinder.com/ |
| 11:58.24 | goibhniu | mikejw: did you bend your ears around http://www.rhythm-incursions.com/downloads/Buddy_Peace_-_Obituary_Medicine.mp3 by any chance? |
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| 12:03.25 | tripitaka | Curious. the command `echo "eval \$(ssh-agent -s)" ` correctly prints "eval $(ssh-agent -s)". However, `su - test -c "echo eval \$(ssh-agent -s)"` produces the result of `eval ssh-agent -s` |
| 12:10.37 | mikejw | goibniu: sounds good :) |
| 12:11.02 | mikejw | sorry, goibhniu |
| 12:12.14 | mikejw | ah cool Karate is on here, my cousins were on the same label as them |
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| 12:16.18 | goibhniu | mikejw: cool! ... I'm glad you like it ... was the best thing I've heard in a while ... quite funny too |
| 12:20.29 | flips_and_rails | ibot change 2103.00 usd to gbp |
| 12:24.47 | wethrin | arr |
| 12:26.08 | dick_turpin | arrr |
| 12:27.14 | mikejw | goibhniu, I've only been let down once when I thought dj shadow was going to play :0] |
| 12:43.45 | wethrin | FLASH! Ahhh-ahhhh |
| 12:44.23 | dick_turpin | He's king of the universe |
| 12:49.37 | dick_turpin | Right heres another one is everyone paying attention? |
| 12:50.37 | dick_turpin | Place both hands palm down on the desktop |
| 12:51.13 | dick_turpin | Bang the desktop twice on the second occasion bring your hands up and do one clap |
| 12:51.38 | dick_turpin | Lets all sing "We will rock you" by Queen :-) |
| 12:52.24 | dick_turpin | Buddy youre a young man |
| 12:52.34 | mikejw | sure man? |
| 12:53.08 | dick_turpin | you got blood on your face |
| 12:53.43 | wethrin | A big disgrace |
| 12:54.02 | dick_turpin | Spending my money all over the place |
| 12:54.09 | mikejw | lol |
| 12:54.22 | wethrin | Singing.... |
| 12:54.34 | wethrin | Ooh.....LUNCHTIME IS UPON ME! |
| 12:54.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin But are you doing the desk thing? |
| 12:54.50 | rsd- | ahoy |
| 12:56.02 | rsd- | goibhniu: i just got here, so stick around for a bit |
| 12:56.07 | rsd- | ...once i'm annoyed you can go :) |
| 12:56.18 | murb | goibhniu: you've been fired? |
| 12:56.29 | murb | or are being taken forcefully to lunch? |
| 12:56.53 | goibhniu | murb: I just got carried away with dick_turpin's performance |
| 12:57.08 | goibhniu | murb: I have trouble containing myself |
| 12:57.08 | dick_turpin | We aim to please |
| 12:58.05 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: thanks for bringing the poodle out in me ... I'll never forget that |
| 12:58.36 | rsd- | brb |
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| 12:59.12 | dick_turpin | Thats OK, can everyone chip in I need £1500.00 so I can have a play with one of these http://www.nagios.org/products/nagiospowered/azeti/ |
| 12:59.24 | wetelectric | afternoon all |
| 12:59.39 | rsd- | greets |
| 13:00.12 | rsd- | nice ... gllug meetup spot is only a 15 min walk |
| 13:00.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; can i pm you please? |
| 13:00.56 | murb | dick_turpin: a pc in a red box? |
| 13:01.25 | dick_turpin | course but I have to run down the RD in a min so it'll have to be a quicky this time ;-) |
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| 13:01.47 | wetelectric | most odd |
| 13:01.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Of course |
| 13:01.59 | bilarh | anyone written an xml parser in perl? |
| 13:02.08 | bilarh | and i can't use the xml libraries by the looks of it |
| 13:02.12 | bilarh | the cpan ones, i mean |
| 13:02.16 | bilarh | or at least not easily |
| 13:02.18 | bilarh | my problem is this |
| 13:02.42 | bilarh | i have an xml file with a bunch of tags in it... some of the tags will be <datasource> .... </datasource> tags |
| 13:02.53 | bilarh | for some of the datasource tags, i want to change stuff in them, depending on other tags |
| 13:03.02 | bilarh | so far so good, and it can all be done with xml-simple |
| 13:03.23 | bilarh | however, i need to output this xml file again looking exactly like it looked before i did anything with it, apart from the changes i've made to the values |
| 13:04.03 | bilarh | so, the out methods of the XML:: lib's arent any good to me |
| 13:04.45 | flips_and_rails | ibot change 10148 usd to gbp |
| 13:05.17 | bilarh | anyone got any clever ideas for this? |
| 13:05.36 | bilarh | i can see myself writing a horrible mess of recursive code |
| 13:05.43 | bilarh | which i'd rather not, if it can be avoided :) |
| 13:05.56 | flips_and_rails | bilarh, perhaps ask on #perl ? |
| 13:05.59 | rhowe | bilarh: XSLT? |
| 13:06.11 | bilarh | flips: crazy stuff :) |
| 13:06.41 | bilarh | rhowe: ah, cool |
| 13:06.48 | bilarh | i'll have a look at that stuff, maybe that's what i need :) |
| 13:07.12 | flips_and_rails | XSLT is cool but its a pain, took me weeks to sort it |
| 13:09.23 | rhowe | bilarh: XSLT is a /weird/ language and you will cause yourself pain. It won't output XML identical to the input, in terms of whitespace etc |
| 13:09.39 | bilarh | rhowe: hrm... ok, no good then :( |
| 13:09.45 | rhowe | bilarh: But you can fairly easily produce the same document tree |
| 13:09.55 | bilarh | maybe i'll just write my own little parser then :( |
| 13:09.56 | rhowe | bilarh: diff wouldn't like the results, for example |
| 13:10.26 | bilarh | i'm thinking that the easiest solution may be to just read it all in in memory as an array and modify the lines "line by line" |
| 13:10.35 | bilarh | after having identified what lines need modification |
| 13:10.49 | rhowe | bilarh: You could do it with awk, although it would be foolable |
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| 13:11.22 | bilarh | rhowe: hmm... yeah possibly, but i'm far from an awk guru, so i'd have to learn awk properly first :) |
| 13:12.31 | rhowe | I'm tempted to ask why you need to have the output as close as possible to the input |
| 13:12.41 | rhowe | Smells of brokenness to me |
| 13:12.41 | bilarh | well, actually |
| 13:12.48 | bilarh | that's more political than technical |
| 13:12.59 | huw-l | ? |
| 13:13.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
| 13:13.23 | bilarh | i'm writing this patch-like program that takes a config file with "modifications to be performed on an xml file" |
| 13:13.32 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; yes |
| 13:13.40 | bilarh | rhowe: the xml file itself has a bunch of <!-- --> stuff in there |
| 13:13.54 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: http://en.opensuse.org/NVIDIA |
| 13:14.02 | bilarh | rhowe: and one of the specs for getting it through layers of management etc is that it should look as close as possible to the original file |
| 13:14.07 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; ty |
| 13:18.44 | goibhniu | boudiccas: I don't mean to butt in ... butt .. fyi you may not be able to install the latest 97xx driver on that card ... if you try to install the driver from the nvidia site directly it will tell you this (or it'll work) .. if you were to install it on e.g. an ubuntu machine it would just lead to horrible death (I know you run centos ... but I don't know what happens there) |
| 13:20.34 | boudiccas | goibhniu; i'm going to ask about it in the centos channel :) but thanks for the heads up on it |
| 13:21.18 | Cope | ibot change 1000 nkr to gbp |
| 13:21.29 | Cope | bah |
| 13:21.33 | rhowe | bilarh: Well you can preserve comments with XSLT |
| 13:21.38 | Cope | ibot change 1000 nok to gbp |
| 13:21.44 | goibhniu | boudiccas: np |
| 13:21.50 | Cope | thank you |
| 13:21.54 | rhowe | ibot change 50 gbp to eur |
| 13:22.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I think it will alright failing that you can download them direct from Nvidia |
| 13:22.25 | rhowe | ibot change 74.4231 eur to belgianbeer |
| 13:23.26 | rhowe | Damn, the exchange rate just took a dip in the past few weeks |
| 13:23.53 | rhowe | End of Jan it was 1.52 to the pound, now it's 1.4884 |
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| 13:25.16 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: if you used the 97xx module it'll be fine ... my "420 go" can't handle it so I don't know where the cutoff point is ... I believe there's a number in lspci or something that you can check |
| 13:26.33 | goibhniu | boudiccas: by "horrible death" I only mean X won't start .. and you can download the nvidia driver with elinks or something and all will be good |
| 13:27.23 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I think you'll find its a geforce4 turbo ti 4200 |
| 13:27.38 | boudiccas | goibhniu; thanks for your concern, hopefully it'll work but i'm trying to get an authorative answer from #centos before i try it. |
| 13:33.23 | rsd- | i wish there was a more full featured console browser |
| 13:33.28 | rsd- | so i could just stick in console all day long |
| 13:34.18 | goibhniu | rsd-: elinks doesn't cut it? |
| 13:36.04 | rsd- | goibhniu: it does, but its colors don't work for some reason |
| 13:36.31 | rsd- | i turn on 256 colors in the options, and nothing |
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| 13:56.50 | goibhniu | rsd-: have you enabled css through the option manager too? |
| 13:58.42 | rsd- | i think so .. let me check |
| 14:00.30 | rsd- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.06 | rsd- | goibhniu: interesting .. when i set the TERM to linux the colors work |
| 14:03.33 | rsd- | but only 16 colors! |
| 14:05.09 | goibhniu | rsd-: oh ... good ... hmm |
| 14:06.10 | rsd- | shucks |
| 14:11.22 | rsd- | oh well.. |
| 14:11.30 | rsd- | back to reading more python tutoriali |
| 15:17.48 | irc_ | So, who's going tonight? |
| 15:18.11 | trousers_ | Didn't notice :S |
| 15:18.54 | trousers_ | goibhniu: You coming? |
| 15:20.49 | goibhniu | trousers_: I'd love to ... but I'll be on the train ... :( |
| 15:20.58 | trousers_ | On the train where? |
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| 15:23.05 | goibhniu | trousers_: I work in Oxford ... I'll probably get home (to London) around 21:00 |
| 15:23.12 | trousers_ | :( |
| 15:23.32 | murb | goibhniu: why don't you live near work? |
| 15:23.41 | murb | isn't it a waste of resources to commute? |
| 15:24.34 | trousers_ | wethrin: I'll try to come along :) |
| 15:24.57 | wethrin | good man |
| 15:25.09 | mikejw | I hope to make it later unless my broad mangages to make herself available |
| 15:26.26 | trousers_ | ibot seen mozrat |
| 15:26.36 | ibot | mozrat <i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 13d 17h 22m 15s ago, saying: 'How is my favourite son of cope nowdays?'. |
| 15:27.10 | goibhniu | murb: because I'm an idiot |
| 15:37.24 | trousers_ | I assume this works? Vauxhall -> Euston -> Old Street |
| 15:38.09 | wethrin | Kings Cross may be better |
| 15:38.39 | trousers_ | Why so? |
| 15:39.30 | wethrin | Or are you not going on Victoria Line? |
| 15:39.51 | boudiccas | mornington crescent |
| 15:40.01 | trousers_ | boudiccas: You win! |
| 15:40.08 | mikejw | lol |
| 15:40.17 | boudiccas | i've never understood that game! |
| 15:40.23 | wethrin | The game's easy! |
| 15:40.30 | trousers_ | boudiccas: That's because there *are* no rules >.< |
| 15:40.30 | wethrin | You just pick it up as it's played |
| 15:40.36 | wethrin | mikejw: You need more practice |
| 15:40.38 | wethrin | trousers_: Rubbish! |
| 15:40.40 | mikejw | :P |
| 15:40.45 | trousers_ | wethrin: Wikipedia told me so! |
| 15:40.58 | wethrin | Wikipedia LIES! |
| 15:40.59 | mikejw | the rules are.... |
| 15:41.08 | boudiccas | no rules?! Stupid game then, just wasting time |
| 15:41.15 | wethrin | It's simple - first person to get to Mornington Crescent wins |
| 15:41.17 | mikejw | camden town! |
| 15:41.21 | wethrin | There's various variations on the standard ruleset |
| 15:41.28 | wethrin | mikejw: Shepherd's Bush |
| 15:41.29 | boudiccas | Norwich |
| 15:41.40 | boudiccas | Timber hill |
| 15:41.52 | boudiccas | ber street |
| 15:41.54 | mikejw | whoever goes all the way to cockfosters comes second |
| 15:42.10 | boudiccas | mikejw; sounds vaguely indecent |
| 15:42.38 | mikejw | plagiarising Viz |
| 15:43.44 | mikejw | not that I'm a regular Viz reader |
| 15:45.27 | mikejw | private eye is way better |
| 15:46.17 | trousers_ | Ooooh, slick |
| 15:46.54 | wethrin | Ohh.....I suppose that just leaves me with Monument, then |
| 15:51.14 | mikejw | :D |
| 15:51.24 | trousers_ | You're a wizard, goibhniu/Harry! |
| 16:02.29 | trousers_ | "How did we find a traffic cone 3 million years from Earth?" |
| 16:13.13 | rsd- | you have no chance to survive make your time !! |
| 16:22.43 | goibhniu | trousers_: have you got /usr/share/dict/words on a gentoo machine? |
| 16:39.02 | trousers_ | goibhniu: No. |
| 16:39.31 | goibhniu | trousers_: oh! thanks ... hmm |
| 16:39.58 | goibhniu | trousers_: I'm lookin for a word list for vim ... it says to look there ... I'm pretty sure it's there on ubuntu |
| 16:48.23 | trousers_ | goibhniu: emerge vim-spell-en ? |
| 16:56.52 | goibhniu | trousers_: cheers ... I'm probably confused, spellchecking works but I want it to complete stuff for me, maybe I need to set an omnifunc or something |
| 16:59.51 | trousers_ | To the train station! |
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| 17:16.25 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Are you sorted now? |
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| 17:36.20 | z00dax | SlayerXP: ping |
| 17:36.42 | wethrin | z00dax! Let me know how many people turn up tonight! |
| 17:37.21 | rsd- | z00dax: where's everyone headed for curry afterwards? |
| 17:39.12 | SlayerXP | z00dax: ping |
| 17:39.15 | SlayerXP | err pong, even |
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| 19:14.44 | z00dax_ | Weve got 1 chair vacant. Completely fell up |
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| 20:44.18 | morsing | waves |
| 20:44.21 | goibhniu | MORSING!! |
| 20:44.26 | morsing | goibhniu: |
| 20:44.29 | morsing | ! |
| 20:44.34 | goibhniu | how's the cadillac? |
| 20:44.48 | goibhniu | have you eaten a lot of doughnuts? |
| 20:44.58 | goibhniu | have you got a baseball cap? |
| 20:45.19 | goibhniu | what does it mean "the land of the free?" |
| 20:45.19 | morsing | Couldn't afford it. The Ford is utter crap and I'm going to complain about it |
| 20:45.29 | morsing | Crap |
| 20:45.54 | goibhniu | so it's just like the movies then? |
| 20:47.04 | goibhniu | morsing: do they have cows in america? |
| 20:48.20 | goibhniu | morsing: are you gonna import lots of system76 laptops? |
| 20:49.11 | goibhniu | morsing the coins in america are cheaper than their value as metal! |
| 20:49.31 | goibhniu | morsing: why are you ignoring me? |
| 21:08.32 | morsing | goibhniu: It's exactly what it looks like in the movies |
| 21:08.50 | morsing | I've seen both cowboys and indians. loads even |
| 21:09.11 | morsing | Been to Hollywood as well |
| 21:09.30 | Nermal | um |
| 21:09.32 | Nermal | wethrin* |
| 21:09.52 | morsing | wethrin's asleep at this time... |
| 21:10.19 | Nermal | ah |
| 21:10.29 | Nermal | I was wondering about being added to planet gllug |
| 21:12.32 | goibhniu | Nermal: aren't you supposed to be down pub with geeks? |
| 21:14.14 | goibhniu | morsing: #gllug has been total shite since you've gone on holidays ... I hope you feel guilty |
| 21:15.01 | Nermal | are there geeks down the pub ? |
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| 21:18.00 | resudaed | anyone about? |
| 21:18.04 | goibhniu | Nermal!! I'm so disappointed in you! They're all down pub drinkin ale! |
| 21:18.26 | goibhniu | Nermal: get yr skates on |
| 21:19.13 | Nermal | oh |
| 21:19.15 | Nermal | I didn't know |
| 21:19.50 | Nermal | though I did get all excited when I fixed a debian install today |
| 21:19.55 | goibhniu | Nermal: that's no excuse ... there's beer involved |
| 21:20.45 | goibhniu | Nermal: I thought you were dying to go drinking with some people... didn't you even stoop to meeting some perl people or something? |
| 21:20.54 | Nermal | kind of |
| 21:21.01 | Nermal | I left with a business card :( |
| 21:21.07 | Nermal | but I'm better now! |
| 21:21.17 | goibhniu | oh ... I see ... so you've got real friends now is it? |
| 21:21.33 | Nermal | I've got my feet attached to the floor a bit more now I've been in london a month and have a place sorted |
| 21:21.48 | goibhniu | ahh good .. where abouts? |
| 21:21.54 | Nermal | harrow on the hill |
| 21:22.02 | goibhniu | hey resudaed .. you not down pub neither? |
| 21:22.14 | goibhniu | Nermal: sounds like a horror movie |
| 21:22.23 | Nermal | where was this pub mentioned - only emails I got were FOSDEM and the one on the 1st |
| 21:22.29 | Nermal | goibhniu: it's not too bad |
| 21:24.03 | goibhniu | Nermal: ahhh ...gllug-announce I think |
| 21:24.11 | Nermal | ah |
| 21:24.42 | goibhniu | and on the website ... and in here |
| 21:24.56 | Nermal | FINE |
| 21:25.02 | goibhniu | wethrin: goes to great lengths organising this sort of thing |
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| 21:26.02 | goibhniu | Nermal: that's cool you have a place to stay now |
| 21:49.43 | resudaed | I've got a rougue user on my network, I have put a block on his mac using iptables, but I'd rather redirect his http requests to a specific page, and block everything else, any quick fix ideas? |
| 21:52.21 | antiphase | iptables? :D |
| 21:52.22 | resudaed | antiphase : my iptables is rusty though |
| 21:52.22 | antiphase | Match on mac and destination port and -j DNAT --to-destination |
| 21:52.59 | resudaed | antiphase : is there anyway I can direct him to a specific page though (would involve changing his http request) |
| 21:53.14 | antiphase | If he's using HTTP/1.1, you'd have to use a web proxy as well |
| 21:53.29 | antiphase | unless you have a web server that is not Host: aware |
| 21:54.48 | antiphase | Or you knock up a quick inetd server in Perl that ignores the request and just serves up Location: headers to redirect all his requests to your desired URL |
| 21:55.54 | resudaed | would redirecting his port 80 request to proxy:3128, and blocking him with a squid acl and serving a squid page work, (ie would squid accept a redirected web request) |
| 21:56.54 | antiphase | I don;t see why not |
| 21:57.49 | antiphase | Squid would see his source address as normal, you're just rewriting the destination of the outbound packets |
| 21:58.00 | resudaed | a simple GET request doesn't work with squid, but I'm not sure what web browsers would send |
| 21:58.45 | antiphase | You might need to look at setting it up to do transparent proxying, I've not used it much so I couldn't say |
| 22:00.01 | resudaed | hmmm, looking now |
| 22:15.23 | Nermal | goibhniu: yah :)_ |
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| 23:18.07 | wethrin | hello |
| 23:18.23 | antiphase | Booyaa |
| 23:18.36 | wethrin | Rarr! |
| 23:18.53 | wethrin | Didya go to the Gllug? |
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| 23:38.34 | rsd- | evenin' |
| 23:40.37 | wethrin | ahoy |
| 23:52.54 | rsd- | were you at the meeting? |