| 00:06.48 | mozrat | hey z00dax |
| 00:06.49 | z00dax | whats up people of #gllug |
| 00:06.53 | z00dax | hey mozrat |
| 00:06.59 | z00dax | how are you doing |
| 00:07.08 | mozrat | Not too bad thanks |
| 00:07.33 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 00:07.47 | z00dax | exceptionally busy, but apart from that - all well |
| 00:07.55 | z00dax | quite enjoying the mild winter thats been so far |
| 00:08.10 | z00dax | well, apart from the gale force winds that is |
| 00:08.18 | mozrat | yeah... it's been OK |
| 00:10.06 | z00dax | so what have you been upto recently ? |
| 00:12.25 | Leeds | forecast high of 37C today! |
| 00:12.52 | mozrat | Hey Leeds |
| 00:12.58 | Leeds | mozzie! |
| 00:13.02 | mozrat | z00dax: in my own flat now which is cool! |
| 00:13.16 | mozrat | Been working pretty hard |
| 00:13.36 | mozrat | Leeds: oh cool! |
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| 00:13.40 | mozrat | His current house? |
| 00:13.44 | Leeds | yes :-) |
| 00:13.50 | mozrat | excellent |
| 00:13.59 | Leeds | linux.conf.au ROCKS1 |
| 00:14.00 | Leeds | ! |
| 00:14.10 | z00dax | I've always wanted to do a LCA |
| 00:14.14 | z00dax | mozrat: fosdem ? |
| 00:15.16 | Leeds | now I should get dressed... going out for lunch so Dean can eat a pizza with emu and kangaroo meat on it :-) |
| 00:16.38 | z00dax | Leeds: you should stay dressed most of the time, specially when staying with people |
| 00:17.04 | Leeds | just came out of the shower |
| 00:17.12 | z00dax | agh! |
| 00:17.33 | Leeds | don't look at me! |
| 00:28.24 | mozrat | z00dax: no fosdem for me - I'm into money conservation mode |
| 00:28.46 | z00dax | mozrat: fair enough |
| 00:29.00 | z00dax | btw, whats going on with the local gllug ? is anyone even around ? |
| 00:33.43 | mozrat | the meetings? |
| 00:33.58 | mozrat | I'm not sure... I haven't read the lists in ages |
| 00:34.05 | mozrat | Just been so busy |
| 00:36.46 | z00dax | been nothing on the gllug and social lists.. |
| 00:37.57 | mozrat | Unfortunately I'm only going to be able to see my kids on weekends now so I can't really do much extra GLLUG stuff :( |
| 00:38.23 | mozrat | Someone should step in - has an appeal gone out to the great unshaven masses? |
| 00:42.13 | z00dax | if it has, i am not even sure where it might have, if it hasent, I dont know where it should be made |
| 00:42.22 | z00dax | although I do have access to the gllug site |
| 00:42.44 | Leeds | I haven't noticed a "by the way, we currently have nobody particularly organising gllug, so if anyone wants to help out, now would be a good time" notice anywhere |
| 00:44.38 | mozrat | I did send one out back in December |
| 00:49.24 | Leeds | ibot change 1400 hkd to gbp |
| 01:41.04 | gw280 | mozrat: OIY |
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| 07:48.00 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:48.05 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:48.58 | morsing | Anyone awake? |
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| 07:52.55 | ufo | aloha |
| 09:37.33 | sabinef72 | morning all |
| 09:37.43 | sabinef72 | mozrat: mozzieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 10:05.57 | gregj | anyone knows , if I can tell spamassassin directly to throw way emails with score, let's say over 10 |
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| 10:26.56 | z00dax | gregj: thats the sort of thing you want to do in sieve |
| 10:27.39 | gregj | i gotta do it for all users (over 100), so I was looking for either spamassasin or postfix |
| 10:27.47 | gregj | I don't use sieve |
| 10:28.04 | z00dax | procmail ? |
| 10:28.18 | z00dax | how do you run sa for the users |
| 10:28.43 | gregj | master.cf in postfix |
| 10:29.09 | gregj | I am running procmail already, but it is used for maildirs |
| 10:29.46 | gregj | main.cf:mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/ MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir |
| 10:30.16 | gregj | maybe I should just add some if $score>10 in sa config somewhere ? |
| 10:30.30 | z00dax | go for it |
| 10:30.57 | gregj | just dunno where, I'll have to read more |
| 10:31.17 | z00dax | go for it |
| 10:31.38 | gregj | guys on #spamassassin tell me it is impossible to do |
| 10:31.43 | gregj | bugger |
| 10:38.03 | z00dax | this really is the sort of thing you want to do at the mail delivery stage with procmail / sieve etc |
| 10:38.43 | gregj | I see it now :) |
| 10:38.46 | gregj | well |
| 10:47.17 | gregj | yay, great, on one server kernel just killed sshd, because of memory shortage |
| 10:47.21 | gregj | damn |
| 10:47.40 | z00dax | what distro are you using ? |
| 10:48.12 | gregj | debian stable |
| 10:48.23 | z00dax | isnt very stable is it ? |
| 10:48.29 | gregj | it is |
| 10:48.54 | gregj | unless some user decides to run image resizing on perl, where each single invocation wastes 70MB ram for just a simple picture |
| 10:49.15 | gregj | and it runs it tens of times, for various pictures at the same time |
| 10:49.18 | z00dax | the kernel should first handle that process causing the issue, before killing off random stuff all over |
| 10:49.24 | z00dax | what kernel version is that ? |
| 10:49.25 | gregj | yup |
| 10:49.28 | gregj | 2.4.31 |
| 10:49.41 | gregj | so that's kernel issue, not distro |
| 10:50.15 | z00dax | the kernel is quite a core part of the distro dont you think |
| 10:50.27 | gregj | trouble is, server is locked, it is sunday, no one's there, and guy that has the key just turned his mobile off |
| 10:50.30 | gregj | great |
| 10:50.41 | gregj | yes, but the kernel is the same for every single distro |
| 10:50.45 | z00dax | debian does have massive problems there, they dont really have the resources to this sort of stabalisation work with any static tree |
| 10:50.49 | z00dax | gregj: new to linux ? |
| 10:50.51 | gregj | unless someone tweaks it a lot, just like suse/redhat do |
| 10:50.55 | gregj | z00dax: hell no |
| 10:51.14 | z00dax | that was quite a stange statement then - kernel is the same for every single distro |
| 10:51.16 | gregj | I even hacked kernel myself on few ocasions |
| 10:51.29 | z00dax | and redhat do more than just tweak the kernel |
| 10:51.34 | gregj | it is more or less the same |
| 10:51.40 | z00dax | really ? |
| 10:51.41 | gregj | and that's why I don't use redhat |
| 10:51.53 | z00dax | why is that ? |
| 10:52.03 | gregj | and why do you think they call it still linux :> |
| 10:52.17 | z00dax | you dont use redhat becuase you call it linux ? |
| 10:52.25 | z00dax | not quite sure what that means |
| 10:52.37 | gregj | you're not quite following my thoughts here |
| 10:52.51 | gregj | redhat tweaks just about everything , so I don't use them |
| 10:52.53 | z00dax | also, in case you missed the memo, most of lkml uses rawhide/fedora |
| 10:53.05 | gregj | debian on the other hand, is perfectly plain, they don't patch a lot |
| 10:53.18 | gregj | yes, but they use vanillia kernel with it |
| 10:53.25 | gregj | so that's bit different |
| 10:53.27 | z00dax | again you seem confused |
| 10:53.40 | gregj | and most of them are employed by redhat, or on their payroll |
| 10:53.41 | z00dax | why do you think rawhide handles a direct git tree ? |
| 10:53.51 | z00dax | umm no, lots of them are nt |
| 10:53.52 | z00dax | not |
| 10:54.06 | gregj | doesn't matter, the thing is - kernel just killed sshd |
| 10:54.16 | z00dax | anyway, you dont know about the rh kernels :) so we'll leave it at that |
| 10:54.58 | gregj | I have few servers running RHEL in US, just because software it runs isn't supported on anything else |
| 10:55.11 | gregj | and I know for the fact that those kernsls are far from vanillia |
| 10:55.19 | z00dax | yes i know |
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| 14:55.50 | serr | afternoon all |
| 15:00.42 | murb | good morning serris |
| 15:02.25 | serris | how's it going? |
| 15:05.22 | morsing | wethrin? |
| 15:05.37 | morsing | murb: What happened? |
| 15:05.53 | murb | morsing: your server is online again? |
| 15:06.10 | morsing | Yes |
| 15:08.34 | murb | did your contract mentiong anything about an SLA? |
| 15:12.55 | morsing | murb: We've all received a very long email from Bluelinux and it does mention compensation |
| 15:15.19 | murb | did they explain the cause? |
| 15:42.43 | psnl | switch failure, I heard |
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| 17:02.47 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:03.19 | sabinef72 | mozrat: mozzieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 19:45.22 | gw280 | THERE ARE SHOWERS IN MY DEPARTMENTAL LIBRARY |
| 19:45.56 | z00dax | gw280: ever consider using one ? |
| 19:46.10 | gw280 | z00dax: I'm soooo living here |
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| 19:47.50 | sanelson | hello chums |
| 19:47.54 | xotl | is there a kitchen as well? |
| 19:48.00 | sanelson | rno |
| 19:48.07 | sanelson | you have to get take-away |
| 19:49.46 | z00dax | sanelson: ! |
| 19:49.56 | sanelson | ahh |
| 19:51.25 | xotl | could make for an expensive time when living in the library |
| 19:54.14 | z00dax | xotl: rentfree! |
| 19:54.17 | gw280 | xotl: no, but there's a cafe |
| 19:54.26 | hali | anyone on virgin broadband experiencing problems today? |
| 19:55.02 | hali | i've got 250ms ping times ... download speeds in the sub 10k range... *yeay* |
| 19:55.09 | xotl | z00dax: yes, as long as no-one actually noticed you were living there |
| 19:55.21 | xotl | gw280: I'd move in if i were you |
| 19:55.47 | gw280 | xotl: :P |
| 19:55.51 | z00dax | xotl: cross dresser like gw280 should have no problem looking different every now and again |
| 19:55.55 | gw280 | of course, I'd have to continue paying rent for my room in town |
| 19:55.59 | gw280 | but I love my room in town |
| 19:55.59 | murb | hali: have you tried rebooting your modem? |
| 19:56.00 | gw280 | it's lovely |
| 19:56.02 | gw280 | and roomy |
| 19:56.03 | z00dax | as long as he handles facial hair accordingly |
| 19:56.05 | hali | murb: yes, done all that.. |
| 19:56.28 | hali | it's been slow for a frew months.. but never this bad |
| 19:56.43 | xotl | gw280: sublet your room to tourists |
| 19:56.53 | gw280 | xotl: lol tourists |
| 19:56.53 | hali | i've emailed them twice... got some automated email back... thye don't really care about customers i guess... i'll just look for another provider |
| 19:57.02 | gw280 | xotl: but I have several thousand pounds worth of computer stuff in my room |
| 19:57.02 | gw280 | :( |
| 19:57.23 | xotl | gw280: sublet to the japanese, they love tech and are very trustworthy |
| 19:57.56 | gw280 | xotl: I'm not sure about that.... |
| 19:58.17 | z00dax | gw280: move the IT stuff into the lib with you |
| 19:58.33 | z00dax | just add odd looking labels on the sides, and people will think its all official gear |
| 19:58.36 | gw280 | z00dax: dude. |
| 19:58.43 | gw280 | z00dax: do you have any idea how much there is??? |
| 19:58.48 | z00dax | youd need to get rid of the smell of sausages though |
| 19:59.06 | z00dax | gw280: no, but then remember i live in a house cause i cant get my gear into a appartment |
| 19:59.10 | xotl | z00dax: yes, hide it behind the most boring section of books and no-one will ever look there |
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| 20:08.08 | xotl | hi Provito |
| 20:08.45 | Provito | hey |
| 20:08.52 | z00dax | is there any really good adsl isp out there these days ? |
| 20:08.56 | z00dax | or do they all just suck |
| 20:09.15 | Provito | When I last researched it plusnet came out best |
| 20:09.15 | xotl | Provito: are you going to php conf? |
| 20:10.06 | Provito | xotl, I've not booked it yet, I'll do it now |
| 20:10.18 | xotl | Provito: cool! |
| 20:11.08 | Provito | xotl, you going? |
| 20:11.26 | xotl | Provito: yes, I'm helping organize too |
| 20:11.39 | Provito | excellent, well it would be nice to meet up, have a few drinks |
| 20:12.12 | xotl | Provito: sure. if you feel like helping out I belive they could still use a couple more people. that way you get in free |
| 20:12.39 | Provito | xotl, if you can send me what needs doing, I'm busy with a number of different projects but if there's something I can help with then sure |
| 20:13.02 | z00dax | Provito: I've been on plusnet for about 2 years - they are mostly ok, their commercials is really bad |
| 20:13.12 | xotl | I think the only thing left is helping out on the day with registrations etc. |
| 20:13.28 | z00dax | xotl: humm so you are not doing fosdem then |
| 20:15.19 | xotl | z00dax: the belgian thing? |
| 20:15.30 | z00dax | indeed |
| 20:16.01 | xotl | z00dax: no. sounds like fun I suppose. are you going? |
| 20:16.23 | Provito | xotl, isn't there staff at The Keyworth Centre who would handle the registrations? |
| 20:17.23 | xotl | Provito: my understanding is that we are doing this all ourselves. I'd say its easily worth it for a free ticket. you do miss the first talk, but still... |
| 20:17.44 | xotl | Provito: you still get to see rasmus |
| 20:18.02 | Provito | what you helping with, the same thing? |
| 20:19.14 | xotl | its technically possible to do both phpconf and fosdem, lol |
| 20:19.36 | z00dax | xotl: yes, its going to be much fun - we have a few hackathons planned - and then the 2 days social is cool |
| 20:19.41 | Provito | is worth it for the belgium beer |
| 20:19.45 | xotl | Provito: yeah i'm on the desk hopefully. shouldn't be too stressful |
| 20:19.47 | z00dax | and a good chance to put faces and voices to nicknames |
| 20:20.16 | z00dax | xotl: what dates re phpcon |
| 20:20.26 | z00dax | i was under the impression that its the same weekend |
| 20:20.59 | xotl | z00dax: phpcon is only 1 day: Friday 23rd |
| 20:21.49 | z00dax | ah cool, so you could still make it for the weeeknd |
| 20:21.57 | z00dax | might miss the drinks on friday evening though |
| 20:22.06 | xotl | Provito: IRC wont let me PM without a registered nick |
| 20:22.14 | xotl | Provito: but yeah cool |
| 20:22.20 | Provito | oh you haven't registered? |
| 20:22.52 | xotl | Provito: no I haven't read about how/why to register |
| 20:23.13 | xotl | z00dax: you mean you can make it to phpcon :-) |
| 20:23.15 | Provito | you register to prevent other people pretending to be you |
| 20:23.38 | xotl | Provito: I quite like the idea of confusing everyone |
| 20:24.14 | z00dax | xotl: no, i am off to belgium on Thursday - we have a rpm packagers meet early on friday and then a centos meet later, before the official fosdem stuff |
| 20:24.27 | z00dax | plus, since i am going all the way - want to actually spend thursday looking around and stuff |
| 20:24.29 | xotl | z00dax: are the friday fosdem drinks in london? |
| 20:24.48 | z00dax | xotl: no, they are in .be |
| 20:25.07 | xotl | Provito: sure, will do |
| 20:25.49 | Provito | great, then we can sort it out. I'll hold on for booking then |
| 20:26.04 | xotl | z00dax: oh ok, a real holiday, then :-P |
| 20:26.09 | z00dax | xotl: we do have a few people from work going to phpcon |
| 20:26.09 | Provito | I've blocked out the complete day, are you going to the phplondon meet the previous night? |
| 20:26.36 | z00dax | there are a few php fanatics at work |
| 20:26.45 | xotl | z00dax: cool! did any of them see my announcement? |
| 20:26.52 | z00dax | where is it ? |
| 20:27.05 | xotl | Provito: yes I expect so |
| 20:27.24 | xotl | z00dax: I announced it on gllug-announce |
| 20:27.57 | z00dax | when ? |
| 20:28.23 | z00dax | humm 16th |
| 20:28.45 | z00dax | this is odd |
| 20:28.47 | z00dax | i didnt get that email |
| 20:29.35 | z00dax | xotl: its a work thing, i am sure a few of them might even be involved with the organisers |
| 20:30.16 | xotl | z00dax: are they linux guys? I have the impression most sysadmins don't like php |
| 20:30.34 | z00dax | xotl: not all linux people are sysadmins |
| 20:30.42 | xotl | Provito: btw it does depend whether they still need people, but as I say I think they do |
| 20:30.56 | Provito | xotl, if not if you can tell me asap and I'll book my ticket |
| 20:32.07 | xotl | z00dax: devs too. they seem to like perl for some unknokwn reason |
| 20:32.07 | z00dax | uh no |
| 20:32.07 | z00dax | python is by far the language of choice - if you are a stats kind of person |
| 20:32.07 | Provito | xotl, the reason being is that perl is installed by default usually typically on solaris boxes, so if they can script in perl they can do most sysadmin style tasks |
| 20:32.07 | z00dax | ruby seems to be the new fad, but it has miles to go before it catches up |
| 20:32.14 | z00dax | mostly perl is the old unix school still carrying on |
| 20:32.24 | xotl | z00dax: thats a relief. I'm hoping to avoid perl |
| 20:32.27 | Provito | xotl, I still prefer perl for cli stuff but I am doing more cli script in php nowadays |
| 20:32.40 | z00dax | Provito: not python or ruby ? |
| 20:32.57 | xotl | z00dax: yes I have the imlpressioin the perl thing is a lot about legacy code being maintained |
| 20:33.03 | Provito | well.. pytyon is still fun, ruby I've only dabbled with |
| 20:33.13 | xotl | Provito: yes, php is an unusual choice for cli |
| 20:33.24 | z00dax | python rocks |
| 20:33.30 | xotl | I don't really write python, but I like the look of it |
| 20:33.31 | Provito | xotl, its not when you want a system process to re-use your php created framework |
| 20:33.38 | z00dax | although people at my work place seem to frown upon it a bit - so most sysadmin stuff i stick to bash |
| 20:33.41 | Provito | xotl, for system maintainance tasks for example |
| 20:33.48 | z00dax | there is a fair bit of ruby momentum at the moment |
| 20:33.58 | z00dax | and the 60 odd thousand lines of php |
| 20:34.23 | xotl | z00dax: where is this 60000 lines of php? |
| 20:34.29 | z00dax | in cvs |
| 20:34.30 | Provito | 60,000? I'd be very interested to see how that was written |
| 20:35.00 | Provito | z00dax, only because of rails |
| 20:35.10 | z00dax | we dont use rails, we have no use for rails |
| 20:35.22 | xotl | Provito: if you go to php-london-conference in google groups beta and request a login that is probably the quickest way to see |
| 20:35.31 | z00dax | its going to be a very very long time before rails sort of stuff can replace the work already done for the website and user facing stuff |
| 20:35.36 | xotl | Provito: yes, the whole ruby momentum seems to be about rails |
| 20:35.48 | z00dax | shudder |
| 20:36.08 | Provito | thats nothing to do with the language though, but down to bad development if its unmaintainable |
| 20:36.35 | z00dax | it is quite maintainable, and is being quite atively developed as well |
| 20:36.39 | Provito | good |
| 20:36.55 | z00dax | but what happens in most development environs is that when something goes to legacy, the number of people and resources available to main drop |
| 20:37.02 | xotl | sorry to be dim, but what is this 60k lines of code in php that we are all talking about? |
| 20:37.12 | z00dax | with most movement happening only on head/ in $newbfoo |
| 20:38.06 | z00dax | xotl: $workplace produt |
| 20:38.07 | xotl | Provito: if you request a login from google, I'll email marcus and ask if he still needs people, although he often takes a while to get back |
| 20:38.09 | z00dax | product |
| 20:38.14 | Provito | xotl, ok |
| 20:38.20 | z00dax | xotl: baker ? |
| 20:38.47 | xotl | z00dax: sorry, you;'ve really lost me. do you mean cakephp? |
| 20:38.58 | z00dax | no, Marcus who ? |
| 20:40.04 | xotl | z00dax: oh. yes Marcus Baker |
| 20:40.23 | z00dax | right, he's responsible for some of that php code :) |
| 20:40.29 | xotl | z00dax: have you met him at all? |
| 20:40.33 | z00dax | that we are/were talking abot |
| 20:40.41 | Provito | xotl, better to sign up here? http://www.phplondon.org/ |
| 20:40.53 | z00dax | xotl: yes, i work with him - he sits about 5 feet away from me |
| 20:41.03 | xotl | z00dax: you mean simpletest? |
| 20:41.23 | xotl | z00dax: LOL! well there we have it |
| 20:41.35 | z00dax | simpletest, is his after-day-job stuff |
| 20:42.05 | z00dax | he is the person i had in mind when i said - someone from work will be going for phpcon :) |
| 20:42.22 | xotl | z00dax: you work at wordtracker or whatever its called? |
| 20:42.35 | z00dax | yup |
| 20:42.42 | xotl | it's a small world |
| 20:43.05 | z00dax | you know people there ? |
| 20:43.16 | xotl | Provito: why would it be better to sign up there? |
| 20:43.51 | Provito | xotl, well for a start because I couldn't find a php-london-conference lol |
| 20:43.53 | Provito | http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/search?q=php-london-conference&qt_s=Search |
| 20:43.55 | xotl | z00dax: no, but i'm helping organize the conf with marcus and other peeps, but i've no idea where they work |
| 20:44.11 | z00dax | right |
| 20:44.42 | xotl | Provito: for some reason google has gone completely stoopid with its groups beta: it just doesn't seem to work that well |
| 20:44.58 | xotl | z00dax: do you ever go to phplondon? |
| 20:45.01 | Provito | xotl, well I also hope to make the next php meet on the 1st |
| 20:45.14 | xotl | Provito: let me find you a link to the group... |
| 20:45.57 | morsing | Hey |
| 20:46.01 | xotl | Provito: yes, I've also found that google can't find its own group |
| 20:46.05 | xotl | hi morsing |
| 20:46.09 | morsing | xotl! |
| 20:46.21 | z00dax | xotl: no, never have - most of my development these days is patch writing and hacking - in either c or asm or python |
| 20:46.25 | z00dax | morsing: ! |
| 20:46.28 | z00dax | sabinef72: hey |
| 20:46.35 | sabinef72 | morsing: boink boink |
| 20:46.38 | sabinef72 | hi z00dax |
| 20:46.57 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 20:47.05 | z00dax | sabinef72: how are you doing ? |
| 20:48.04 | xotl | Provito: hmm, a few more people have signed up for registration desk. Still worth a try, though |
| 20:48.06 | sabinef72 | gw280: nooooooo |
| 20:48.15 | sabinef72 | I'm ok and you z00dax ? what's up ? |
| 20:48.36 | Provito | xotl, how about I just get my ticket. I was going to anyway. At least then I see the first talk |
| 20:48.40 | z00dax | sabinef72: not much, just the usual stuff - really tired though |
| 20:48.48 | Provito | xotl, I'll try to come to the php meet on the 1st we'll have a chat then |
| 20:48.49 | z00dax | somehow this weekend didnt really feel like a weekend at all |
| 20:48.59 | gw280 | sabinef72: you're odd. |
| 20:49.00 | xotl | Provito: can you logon to #phplondon for a mo? its a bit crowded here |
| 20:49.03 | sabinef72 | were you busy |
| 20:49.08 | Provito | join #phplondon |
| 20:49.11 | Provito | opps lol |
| 20:49.47 | sabinef72 | gw280: morsing already knows I'm always evil, don't worry |
| 20:50.04 | z00dax | (evil)++ |
| 20:50.50 | sabinef72 | ah ah |
| 20:58.27 | morsing | What's the difference between pages files and hits in Webalizer? |
| 20:59.27 | Erwin | pages == what it thinks it's a real HTML page as opposed to e.g. a js / css file. i think one of hits or pages doesn't count reloads within a certain period of time |
| 21:00.23 | morsing | 'k |
| 21:00.53 | morsing | Well, as a rule, hits > files > pages |
| 21:01.25 | morsing | So hits is probably every tcp connection pulling something down? |
| 21:01.52 | morsing | Files is html files being pulled? So Static content mainly? |
| 21:02.09 | morsing | I'm confused |
| 21:02.34 | morsing | What about the sites/visits bar graph? |
| 21:02.48 | Erwin | I think visits are unique IPs |
| 21:03.28 | morsing | But sites always greater than visits |
| 21:04.46 | Erwin | OK, maybe it counts same site as multiple visits if after a certain timeout has ocurred? |
| 21:04.59 | Erwin | http://www0.adhost.com/help/webalizer.html#Definitions |
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| 21:08.38 | morsing | My webserver has served 10GB over the last year |
| 21:09.13 | morsing | I want to sort the log files so that 'bots go in a seperate file |
| 21:09.54 | Erwin | 274G here. 30.5 hits. |
| 21:10.56 | morsing | 30.5? |
| 21:11.13 | morsing | I've got 4200 visits and 771000 hits |
| 21:11.13 | Erwin | million |
| 21:11.49 | morsing | Can Apache split log files based on a regexp? |
| 21:12.02 | morsing | Or do I need a seperate script? |
| 21:12.20 | Erwin | Don't think so. You can only have one per vhost. Although there are some fancy mod_log extensions around. |
| 21:12.24 | morsing | ~seen wethrin |
| 21:12.47 | ibot | wethrin is currently on #gllug (7h 30m 31s), last said: 'tarragon!'. |
| 21:12.48 | morsing | ~seen ibot |
| 21:12.52 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gpe (13d 16h 18m 36s) #bzflag (13d 16h 18m 36s) #familiar (13d 16h 18m 36s) #kierra (13d 16h 18m 36s) #brlcad (13d 16h 18m 36s) #utah (13d 16h 18m 36s) #oe (13d 16h 18m 36s) #zaurus (13d 16h 18m 36s) #gllug (13d 16h 18m 36s) #pillbox (13d 16h 18m 36s) #openzaurus ... |
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| 22:03.02 | goibhniu | woohoo! ... it works! 3.5" hdd in a laptop |
| 22:13.30 | Leeds | ? |
| 22:13.50 | hali | with the help of a hammer? |
| 22:14.53 | goibhniu | got a cable for connecting laptop drives to normal ide sockets ... swapped the pins 1->2 etc and powered it off another power supply |
| 22:15.22 | goibhniu | oh and reversed the gender with some pins from an old graphics card that just happened to fit |
| 22:17.08 | Leeds | so not actually 'in' - just plugged into? |
| 22:17.29 | goibhniu | oh yeah ... not inside |
| 22:18.20 | goibhniu | that would be just silly |
| 22:22.02 | z00dax | goibhniu: jst keep your fingers crossed that the power source for the hdd is running the same phase as the laptop... |
| 22:23.34 | goibhniu | z00dax: oh shite! ... if they're both plugged into the same socket am I ok? |
| 22:24.14 | z00dax | yes |
| 22:24.36 | goibhniu | brilliant ... never crossed my mind ... ty |
| 22:24.57 | Leeds | goibhniu has quit (BANG!) |
| 22:25.24 | goibhniu | lol |
| 22:27.56 | goibhniu | it always amazes me how these things can keep running even after you get a big white flash out of them |
| 22:29.21 | livingdaylight | anyone know how to use dvd: :rip? |
| 22:29.32 | livingdaylight | i'm not finding good documentation? |
| 22:31.24 | z00dax | its perl, its self documented |
| 22:34.59 | goibhniu | livingdaylight: I think thoggen is supposed to be very straight forward ... haven't used either myself |
| 22:38.42 | z00dax | livingdaylight: what distro are you using ? what packaging ? |
| 22:39.00 | livingdaylight | z00dax, ubuntu |
| 22:39.22 | livingdaylight | z00dax, packaging? (from reposjitories?) |
| 22:39.24 | z00dax | wherever you get the pkgs from , should have some docs - if not - thats where you should start making some noises |
| 22:48.07 | livingdaylight | thx |
| 22:48.27 | livingdaylight | it may be working now; its doing something anyways... ^^ |
| 22:49.02 | livingdaylight | trying to copy the dvd Revolution os Featuring LInus Torvalds and Richard Stallman and co. |
| 22:49.09 | livingdaylight | anyone seen it as well? |
| 22:49.20 | z00dax | umm no |
| 22:49.38 | livingdaylight | nice historic overview of th ehistory of GNU and LInux |
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| 23:07.02 | z00dax | livingdaylight: is the dvd gpl'ed ? |
| 23:10.51 | livingdaylight | z00dax, ironically not! |
| 23:28.13 | goibhniu | hmm ... http://packetgarden.com/ 3d network log eyecandy |
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