| 00:06.57 | trousers_laptop | Erwin: Yes, but I cant seem to find PyBluex, if it works then I will investigate the code :) |
| 00:09.16 | trousers_laptop | Anybody awake? |
| 00:19.16 | hali | i think i am |
| 00:19.18 | hali | just about |
| 00:43.40 | trousers_laptop | Marvellous :) |
| 01:03.41 | rhowe | gin! |
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| 01:43.03 | kbsingh | hello |
| 02:02.26 | trousers_laptop | Howdy z00dax |
| 02:04.06 | kbsingh | working on ssh from my phone |
| 02:09.01 | trousers_laptop | Using WiFi at a friend's house :) |
| 02:09.01 | trousers_laptop | Do you know how I can get pybluez on CentOS? |
| 02:09.42 | kbsingh | using wifi at my own house |
| 02:10.18 | trousers_laptop | Marvellous |
| 02:11.19 | kbsingh | pybluz, no idea |
| 02:11.27 | kbsingh | maybe a from source job |
| 02:11.40 | kbsingh | does it work with py2.3 ? |
| 02:14.35 | trousers_laptop | Dunno |
| 02:15.01 | kbsingh | right, i gota sleep catch you later |
| 02:15.05 | trousers_laptop | Bye |
| 02:16.16 | trousers_laptop | Anybody else awake? :) |
| 02:20.15 | rhowe | http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=4291 |
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| 07:10.18 | morsing | ibot! |
| 07:10.50 | morsing | Anyone up? |
| 07:13.17 | morsing | :( |
| 07:22.50 | psnl | hello |
| 07:24.56 | morsing | Hi. Why are you awake? |
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| 07:53.48 | morsing | Chris-! |
| 07:53.51 | morsing | gunde! |
| 07:54.12 | gunde | good morning morsing |
| 07:54.15 | Chris- | morning campers |
| 08:37.04 | Leeds | afternoon, peeps |
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| 08:49.57 | trousers_laptop | Howdy |
| 08:54.09 | Leeds | donald, where's your trousers? |
| 08:54.45 | trousers_laptop | I'm |
| 08:54.49 | trousers_laptop | right here! |
| 08:55.20 | Leeds | are you Donald? |
| 08:57.07 | trousers_laptop | No :( |
| 08:58.26 | trousers_laptop | Who is Donald? |
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| 09:09.57 | codeshepherd | i have a usb cable connecting my computer to modem... how do i setup network ? the modem also runs a dhcp server... |
| 09:15.24 | Leeds | singapore? |
| 09:15.42 | gunde | codeshepherd: What modem is it? |
| 09:16.10 | codeshepherd | speedtouch |
| 09:18.05 | gunde | the USB 330? |
| 09:18.52 | codeshepherd | it says 536 v6.. let me check up |
| 09:20.34 | gunde | If it is the 536 then it has a router built-in |
| 09:28.13 | gunde | According to the German manual I found for it the supported operating systems for a USB connection are different Windows flavours and MacOS X |
| 09:44.03 | morsing | Nice |
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| 10:42.36 | Leeds | now, see this is just depressing: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/12/07/People :-( |
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| 12:10.19 | Leeds | http://www.robertwalters.com/en-hk/vacancy/view.do?vacancyId=200995 |
| 12:13.09 | JohnDoe666 | - UNIX system administration experience. |
| 12:13.09 | JohnDoe666 | - Experience with Java and C# ???? |
| 12:14.04 | Leeds | that's under desirable |
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| 12:41.56 | gnudo | i finally managed to install backport kernel 2.6.18-3 on my debian sarge laptop and then i proceeded to install the madwifi driver for my atheros card which works fine with backport kernel 2.6.16. the compilation and installation of the madwifi driver on my laptop running *2.6.18-3* was sucessful but less than a minute after getting an internet connection it locks the machine solid! what gives?? |
| 12:42.09 | gnudo | the logs do not mention anything unsual about the madwifi driver except... |
| 12:42.20 | gnudo | "cs: warning: no high memory space available" |
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| 14:09.26 | kbsingh | morning |
| 14:11.27 | Leeds | late evening :-) |
| 14:19.37 | gnudo | i finally managed to install backport kernel 2.6.18-3 on my debian sarge laptop and then i proceeded to install the madwifi driver for my atheros card which works fine with backport kernel 2.6.16. the compilation and installation of the madwifi driver on my laptop running *2.6.18-3* was sucessful but less than a minute after getting an internet connection it locks the machine solid! what gives? |
| 14:19.42 | gnudo | the logs do not mention anything unsual about the madwifi driver except... |
| 14:19.45 | gnudo | "cs: warning: no high memory space available" |
| 14:22.03 | kbsingh | gnudo sounds bad |
| 14:22.25 | trousers | Woo, I shall have a 1U server once my room is tidy :) |
| 14:23.02 | trousers | Need to get Debian on it somehow |
| 14:23.41 | kbsingh | why ? |
| 14:24.00 | trousers | Because apt is fluffy :) |
| 14:24.12 | kbsingh | to both things, why a 1U machine in the room and why debian ? |
| 14:24.23 | trousers | My dad picked it up from work for me |
| 14:24.34 | kbsingh | so you think.... apt sux big time |
| 14:24.49 | kbsingh | do you know how much noise those things make ? |
| 14:24.53 | trousers | I guess you'll suggest CentOS :) |
| 14:25.03 | trousers | kbsingh: No, but I can guess :P |
| 14:25.22 | kbsingh | depends on what you want to do... i was actually going to suggest gentoo |
| 14:25.38 | trousers | No no no! |
| 14:25.52 | kbsingh | for someone wanting to get into dev stuff, gentoo is a fairly good choice |
| 14:26.07 | kbsingh | puts you relatively close to ground zero |
| 14:26.21 | trousers | In that respect it's okay. But I can't be bothered with emerge... It takes too bloody lond |
| 14:26.24 | kbsingh | and you get to learn much about linux as the os |
| 14:26.27 | trousers | s/nd/ng |
| 14:26.44 | kbsingh | how often do you intend to do that ? |
| 14:26.45 | sabinef72 | kbsingh: hello !!!!!!!!! |
| 14:26.53 | kbsingh | sabinef !!! |
| 14:27.06 | sabinef72 | I'm working on my website for a London's page |
| 14:27.07 | trousers | Hmm, stop persuading me -_- |
| 14:28.32 | Leeds | LFS!!! |
| 14:28.50 | kbsingh | debian is a neither here nor there sort of distro these days |
| 14:28.53 | sabinef72 | Leeds ! |
| 14:29.10 | Leeds | sabinef72! |
| 14:29.13 | kbsingh | or LFS, but gentoo actually has stuff going on these days |
| 14:29.25 | trousers | Leeds: Is LFS actually a distro? |
| 14:30.00 | Leeds | sort of |
| 14:30.22 | trousers | If I compiled the Linux kernel and everything myself, would it be LFS or so,ething else? |
| 14:30.37 | Leeds | sort of a flat-pack distro... it's not really a distro, but it's all the tools, information and raw materials you need to build a distribution in-place :-) |
| 14:30.45 | trousers | Ah, right |
| 14:30.54 | kbsingh | you need some means to bootstrap the machine.. |
| 14:31.00 | Leeds | believe me when I tell you that bootstrapping a system is *not* that easy |
| 14:31.04 | Leeds | kbsingh: :-) |
| 14:31.51 | kbsingh | right, but you learn lots. specially if you have a spare machine that you can keep working on without needing it be usable right away |
| 14:31.55 | Leeds | sure... |
| 14:32.43 | trousers | I might be able to get my hands on a machine for testing, but I want my server to be rock solid |
| 14:33.07 | Leeds | oh, I wasn't actually suggesting using LFS - just saying that if you were going to go Gentoo, you might as well go all the way |
| 14:33.32 | kbsingh | centos works rock solid :) |
| 14:33.34 | trousers | Well, it seems the logical way |
| 14:34.22 | Leeds | kbsingh: yeah, but you know the sort of freaks who work on that - they're all long-haired hippies living in their parents' basements who never see the light of day |
| 14:34.48 | trousers | I'm long haired and live with my parents -_- |
| 14:35.22 | Leeds | trousers: freak! |
| 14:35.49 | trousers | I don't have a cellar :( Attic :) |
| 14:37.20 | trousers | Also, what's a good RSS aggregator/feeder/GNOME-y-thing |
| 14:37.21 | trousers | ? |
| 14:37.37 | Leeds | bloglines or google reader |
| 14:38.06 | kbsingh | leeds, you mean thats a bad thing ? :) |
| 14:38.46 | kbsingh | liferea works ok for me mostly, or bloglines.com |
| 14:38.49 | Leeds | yes, it's a bad thing! |
| 14:40.13 | trousers | Okay, CentOS it is for the server :) |
| 14:41.02 | kbsingh | what sort of spec is that machine ? |
| 14:41.18 | kbsingh | and you can use apt on centos as well if you like it |
| 14:42.11 | trousers | Not with .deb packages + Deb repos :P I don't know the spec, but it's got 2x18GB SCSI (never used SCSI) and I think ~1.5GHz CPU + 1GB RAM |
| 14:43.05 | trousers | 0. |
| 14:43.42 | kbsingh | no you use it with rpm repos |
| 14:44.41 | Leeds | there, see, you scared him away now |
| 14:45.55 | trousers | Sowwy |
| 14:46.36 | Leeds | all this talk of debian - it's upsetting, you know |
| 14:46.57 | trousers | What do you use, Leeds? |
| 14:48.50 | Leeds | slackware all the way, baby |
| 14:49.25 | trousers | Slackware was my first real distro :) |
| 14:52.16 | wethrin | Slack++ |
| 14:53.34 | Leeds | slackware was my first, my last, my everything... except for some experimentation with rh and suse in the meantime |
| 15:00.02 | serris | hi all |
| 15:00.19 | Leeds | evening serris |
| 15:00.25 | serris | how's it going, Leeds? |
| 15:05.54 | Leeds | eh... so-so... had a good day yesterday, but the job situation is starting to look serious |
| 15:54.57 | rhowe | Leeds: Hm.. have you tried something like rentacoder.com? Might provide some income to cover the jobhunting period |
| 15:55.20 | z00dax | might not be very legal |
| 15:56.56 | Leeds | rhowe: that's a thought... |
| 15:57.28 | Leeds | been considering - and joking around with one of the other #python regulars about - setting up a pay-for-help python site :-) |
| 15:57.46 | Leeds | z00dax: I wouldn't be so worried about that sort of thing - as long as it's not for a local company, I can't see it being a big problem |
| 15:58.07 | z00dax | true that. I suppose its only an issue when you need to do local invoicing |
| 15:58.41 | rhowe | Leeds: There's probably a lot of chaff on rentacoder though |
| 15:59.04 | rhowe | Leeds: And I'm not sure it's a very good model - you don't just write software and leave it - it always needs some maintenance |
| 15:59.15 | rhowe | Leeds: Still, if people will pay, who are you to argue? :) |
| 16:01.40 | rhowe | heh, rentahomeworkcheat - http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=586236 |
| 16:03.16 | rhowe | z00dax: Still going to the BBC thing? |
| 16:05.09 | z00dax | so far, yes - are you ? |
| 16:05.15 | z00dax | http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/SoftwareCoders/showBioInfo.asp?lngAuthorId=213452 |
| 16:05.35 | z00dax | someone needs to hire that guy, and fire everyone else. he can do it all. everything. |
| 16:07.38 | rhowe | z00dax: Yup. just thinking about food |
| 16:08.27 | rhowe | z00dax: haha |
| 16:08.43 | Leeds | good lord |
| 16:09.41 | rhowe | haha he can't spell "protocol" |
| 16:09.46 | rhowe | (search for "protocal" |
| 16:09.50 | Leeds | seriously, though, that profile takes the piss |
| 16:09.57 | rhowe | Unless it's some language I've never heard of |
| 16:10.01 | z00dax | he is the No.1 coder on there |
| 16:10.09 | Leeds | he's not a coder |
| 16:10.17 | rhowe | and he doesn't know how to spell "The X Window System" :) |
| 16:10.20 | Leeds | "I am your liason to Tometa Software, Inc. a Spokane Washington based team of programmers that can perform any technical or programming need. " |
| 16:10.22 | z00dax | what are the chances that he had his friends do most of the projects he bid and won ? and then gave them the money back at the end |
| 16:10.24 | Leeds | he's subcontracting |
| 16:10.59 | rhowe | THANK GOD! |
| 16:11.03 | rhowe | He knows TRACEROUTE! |
| 16:11.08 | rhowe | We're saved! |
| 16:11.16 | z00dax | just dont ask him about mtr |
| 16:11.48 | Leeds | he doesn't know about the Hong Kong subway system? (which is apparently 100% Linux on the backend) |
| 16:12.07 | rhowe | haha and he knows "samba Ethernet" |
| 16:12.19 | z00dax | http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=528639 |
| 16:12.24 | z00dax | wtf, i mean W-T-F ! |
| 16:13.47 | rhowe | hahaha |
| 16:14.01 | Leeds | nice work if you can get (paid for) it |
| 16:14.05 | rhowe | Categories: Computer Platform, Linux, Emergency! |
| 16:14.19 | z00dax | yeah, yum install ImageMa\* |
| 16:14.19 | rhowe | Emergency! I'm clueless! |
| 16:15.05 | z00dax | there were a couple of other similar sites as well at sometime |
| 16:15.37 | z00dax | wwwwwwwwwwwwwooh. |
| 16:15.40 | z00dax | http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Consulting/Marketplaces/Talent_Auctions/ |
| 16:15.47 | z00dax | there are a few :) |
| 16:39.34 | Leeds | " |
| 16:39.34 | Leeds | Install Moin Moin Wiki on a webserver with no root access but has Python 2.4.3. Wiki will need to be installed on a subdomain of an an addon domain. Currently using bluehost as a webhost if more information is needed for installation. " |
| 17:14.31 | Leeds | hmm... probably shouldn't be considering bidding on random projects at 1am |
| 17:16.31 | Leeds | particularly along the lines of "please port this Delphi code to Linux - it connects to some gps thing" |
| 17:20.24 | JAV | good afternoon |
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| 17:26.49 | z00dax | so looks like I am not going to make that BBC thing after all |
| 17:27.00 | z00dax | still have about 2 hrs of stuff to get done before I can leave |
| 17:27.30 | trousers | z00dax: My dad got a server for him too, but we're having a bit of trouble :) |
| 17:27.43 | trousers | Is there any reason it would refuse to boot off a CD? |
| 17:28.11 | z00dax | yes, lots |
| 17:28.23 | rhowe | hmm.. |
| 17:28.25 | z00dax | is the bios setup to look at the CD at all ? |
| 17:28.28 | trousers | It prints ISOLINUX then can't read it |
| 17:28.33 | trousers | (The CD that is) |
| 17:28.37 | z00dax | right, bad media ? |
| 17:28.43 | trousers | Tested -- it's fine |
| 17:29.05 | z00dax | how old are these machines ? CD-R drives can get quite dusty and get their head alignment screwed |
| 17:29.19 | z00dax | is there something already installed on the machine at the moment ? |
| 17:29.36 | trousers | z00dax: Yes, Windows Server 2003, and I don't know how old they are |
| 17:30.07 | z00dax | humm |
| 17:30.10 | Leeds | and there are lots and lots of bugs in older BIOSes when it comes to booting CDs which don't use exactly the same el Torito settings as whatever the current Windows was when the BIOS was built |
| 17:30.10 | trousers | I'm trying to boot backtrack to change the password for him, and I will need to boot to get mine running too :) |
| 17:31.42 | trousers | Hmm |
| 17:31.46 | rhowe | z00dax: It's on until 1am.. |
| 17:32.00 | z00dax | rhowe: true, I could fetch up at somepoint! |
| 17:39.23 | rhowe | z00dax: Hm.. did they mention any kind of dress code? |
| 17:40.44 | rhowe | hm... "dress to impress (wear whatever you like)" |
| 17:41.12 | z00dax | I was planning on a shirt |
| 17:41.16 | z00dax | but with Jeans |
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| 19:11.39 | trousers | mozrat! |
| 19:11.48 | mozrat | hey! |
| 19:12.11 | z00dax | mozzie! |
| 19:12.17 | mozrat | hey dude |
| 19:12.28 | z00dax | how'se it going ? |
| 19:12.32 | mozrat | was the meeting on Thursday OK? or a disaster? |
| 19:19.32 | trousers | Will there be a Christmas bash (no pun intended) of sorts? |
| 19:20.27 | z00dax | mozrat: went well |
| 19:20.39 | z00dax | we did get in about 22 - 25 people in the highest point of the evening |
| 19:20.47 | mozrat | phew |
| 19:20.48 | mozrat | thats good |
| 19:20.55 | mozrat | it was hardly advertised at all |
| 19:21.02 | z00dax | although most people left enroute to the pub - we only counted about 12 there |
| 19:21.02 | mozrat | I was v. worried that it would be a blowout |
| 19:21.10 | mozrat | thanks very much for looking after that |
| 19:21.27 | z00dax | I found a couple of ( rather they found me ) students at the univ, who want to setup a linux interest group in the Univ.. |
| 19:21.36 | mozrat | cool! |
| 19:47.14 | mozrat | z00dax: someone needs to update the GLLUG site |
| 19:47.20 | mozrat | someone == you |
| 19:47.24 | mozrat | :-) |
| 19:47.38 | z00dax | umm |
| 19:47.57 | z00dax | ok, but someone needs to tell me how / L+Pass etc |
| 19:48.02 | mozrat | I'll create you an account - it takes 2 minutes :-) |
| 19:48.12 | z00dax | awrite |
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| 20:53.54 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 20:53.59 | catalyst | morsing! |
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| 23:56.02 | hali | evening! |