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`03:47.04`	`serris`	`morning`
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`06:43.15`	`trousers`	`Morning y'all`
`06:43.20`	`CopeUK`	`hello`
`06:43.42`	`trousers`	`It be a chilly morning`
`06:44.24`	`Leeds`	`at this rate I might end up wearing a jacket before December!`
`06:44.44`	`CopeUK`	`oooh Leeds`
`06:44.50`	`Leeds`	`hey CopeUK :-)`
`06:45.05`	`CopeUK`	`how can I read a file a byte at a time?`
`06:45.16`	`Leeds`	`in python?`
`06:45.21`	`CopeUK`	`I want to implement strings(1) in a python function`
`06:45.33`	`CopeUK`	`yep`
`06:46.21`	`Leeds`	`fileobj.read(1)`
`06:46.33`	`CopeUK`	`oh ok.`
`06:46.39`	`CopeUK`	`1 being 1 byte`
`06:46.42`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`06:47.16`	`Leeds`	`probably better to make your own generator to give the file one byte at a time, then you could do "for x in readabyte(file):"`
`06:47.48`	`Leeds`	`assuming you want to iterate over it, that is`
`06:48.51`	`CopeUK`	`right`
`06:48.59`	`CopeUK`	`how do you reset the position in the file?`
`06:49.13`	`CopeUK`	`because after one has done readlines() it is now at the end`
`06:49.22`	`CopeUK`	`and read() will report ''`
`06:49.43`	`Leeds`	`then again, you can just do "try:\n\twhile True:\n\t\tx=myfileobj.read(1)\nexcept:\n\tprint 'EOF'"`
`06:49.58`	`Leeds`	`fileobj.seek()`
`06:50.01`	`CopeUK`	`but i like generators )`
`06:50.11`	`Leeds`	`okay, let me write that...`
`06:50.12`	`Leeds`	`try:`
`06:50.16`	`Leeds`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.22`	`Leeds`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.29`	`Leeds`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:50.55`	`Leeds`	`except EOF: # Dunno what the actual EOF exception is, assuming there is one in this case`
`06:50.57`	`Leeds`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.10`	`Leeds`	`generator is neater :-)`
`06:51.58`	`Leeds`	`if you're doing readlines, then trying to go back and read one byte at a time, I'd be tempted to just go back over the in-memory copy of the file anywa`
`06:52.31`	`Leeds`	`FYI: http://www.itu.int/newsroom/press_releases/2006/28.html`
`06:52.38`	`Leeds`	`and can I go in the shower now, please? :-)`
`06:53.13`	`CopeUK`	`yes :)`
`06:53.18`	`trousers`	`You are dismissed :)`
`07:07.43`	`Leeds`	`I registered for that expo this morning - sounds interesting`
`07:24.21`	`serris`	`hi trousers, Leeds`
`07:27.51`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: careful, you'll hurt yourself`
`07:28.06`	`morsing`	`CopeUK!`
`07:31.09`	`serris`	`morsing!`
`07:31.28`	`CopeUK`	`Leeds: so how might I use a generator in this context? I was thinking along the lines of`
`07:31.40`	`CopeUK`	`yield x for x in fileobj.read(1)`
`07:32.16`	`Leeds`	`that's what I was thinking, but you could just use a genex for that - I think you'll need to explicitly check for x==''`
`07:35.06`	`Leeds`	`FUCKING UNSTABLE TREO CRAP!`
`07:40.51`	`CopeUK`	`hmm`
`07:41.45`	`CopeUK`	`Think i am getting the syntax wrong there`
`07:51.52`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK:`
`07:51.54`	`Leeds`	`>>> def bytewise(f):`
`07:51.55`	`Leeds`	`... x=f.read(1)`
`07:51.55`	`Leeds`	`... while x!='':`
`07:51.55`	`Leeds`	`... yield x`
`07:51.55`	`Leeds`	`... x=f.read(1)`
`07:52.53`	`Leeds`	`>>> f=file('myfile','r')`
`07:53.01`	`Leeds`	`>>> for x in bytewise(f):`
`07:53.12`	`Leeds`	`... do_stuff_with_x()`
`07:54.42`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: ?`
`08:11.14`	`morsing`	`I've got a problem`
`08:11.40`	`morsing`	`I booked my flight for christmas but I can't remember which company and I don't have an email confirmation`
`08:11.45`	`morsing`	`What do I do?`
`08:13.11`	`morsing`	`Help...`
`08:13.57`	`morsing`	`:(`
`08:14.49`	`Leeds`	`uh, you can't remember who you booked with?`
`08:17.15`	`morsing`	`No`
`08:17.22`	`morsing`	`It was via expedia`
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`08:18.42`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP!`
`08:18.49`	`SlayerXP`	`lo`
`08:18.56`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Which airline did I book my flights with?`
`08:19.15`	`SlayerXP`	`the one over there`
`08:19.18`	`Leeds`	`morsing: flying to the frozen wastes of wonderful copenhagen?`
`08:19.29`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`08:19.44`	`Leeds`	`from?`
`08:20.05`	`morsing`	`LHR`
`08:20.19`	`Leeds`	`how many airlines fly from LHR to wonderful copenhagen?`
`08:20.36`	`morsing`	`Hmm... Don't know. How can I find out?@`
`08:20.45`	`morsing`	`To be honest I think only SAS and BA`
`08:20.57`	`Leeds`	`then I'd just call them directly`
`08:20.58`	`morsing`	`But ow can I confirm this? Can I call and ask?`
`08:21.06`	`Leeds`	`of course, you could also call/mail expedia`
`08:21.09`	`morsing`	`Leeds: And they'll give out this information??`
`08:21.24`	`Leeds`	`you don't know until you try`
`08:22.54`	`morsing`	`Hmm...`
`08:27.11`	`morsing`	`Leeds: BA wouldn't even talk to me`
`08:27.28`	`Leeds`	`they hate you?`
`08:28.20`	`sabinef72`	`morning`
`08:28.25`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
`08:30.17`	`morsing`	`AHAHHAHAHAHHAAH`
`08:30.24`	`morsing`	`BA flight 822 out and 817 in`
`08:30.45`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Why didn't you tell me`
`08:31.02`	`Leeds`	`I did - you weren't listening`
`08:31.14`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP: Did he tell me?`
`08:35.13`	`sabinef72`	`heyyyyyyyyyy`
`08:36.09`	`Leeds`	`ugh!`
`08:36.18`	`morsing`	`Yuck`
`08:36.33`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: What, you don't like it?`
`08:36.46`	`sabinef72`	`lol`
`08:36.51`	`sabinef72`	`I still have a cold`
`08:50.45`	`morsing`	`:(`
`08:50.49`	`morsing`	`sabinef72: Coffee?`
`08:52.35`	`morsing`	`What's a coot??`
`08:52.46`	`morsing`	`A bird of some sortT?`
`08:53.09`	`morsing`	`ibot coot`
`08:56.18`	`sabinef72`	`a coffee with a lot of milk, a sugar and a cookie`
`09:10.12`	`CopeUK`	`ibot time`
`09:10.20`	`ibot`	`You are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! (2006.11.29 9:10:20 GMT)`
`09:10.29`	`CopeUK`	`yikes`
`09:10.32`	`CopeUK`	`bye! :)`
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`09:11.32`	`morsing`	`catalyst!`
`09:11.58`	`catalyst`	`morsing!`
`10:14.13`	`wethrin`	`foo`
`10:17.53`	`catalyst`	`bar`
`10:26.55`	`morsing`	`Mozzie?`
`10:27.05`	`wethrin`	`~seen mozrat`
`10:27.35`	`ibot`	`mozrat <i=mozrat@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 8d 30m 54s ago, saying: 'excellent. Did you plug it back in this morning for the toaster?'.`
`10:27.41`	`morsing`	`wethrin!`
`10:27.45`	`morsing`	`Mmm... ple`
`10:27.49`	`wethrin`	`hi!`
`10:27.57`	`wethrin`	`I think I'll go and do something useful!`
`10:28.01`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`10:28.16`	`wethrin`	`Yeah :)`
`10:29.09`	`morsing`	`} elsif ($action =~ /DEL/) {`
`10:38.05`	`wethrin`	`riggghht`
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`10:44.14`	`goibhniu`	`Shouldn't the title be "Happy Ubuntu Week / Die Suse Die!"?`
`10:45.38`	`morsing`	`goibhniu!`
`10:46.06`	`goibhniu`	`morsing: sorry I haven't seen you since ... I was late yesterday and early today ... don't worry I'm keeping an eye out`
`10:47.36`	`goibhniu`	`trousers: ayt? I've got a great project for you ... it's called Swordfish!`
`10:50.06`	`morsing`	`goibhniu?`
`10:50.14`	`goibhniu`	`morsing!`
`10:50.17`	`goibhniu`	`coffee?`
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`11:13.24`	`morsing`	`goibhniu: Yes please`
`11:13.26`	`morsing`	`eyore!`
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`11:34.40`	`wethrin`	`I have coffee`
`11:35.26`	`goibhniu`	`oh I forgot!`
`11:39.10`	`wethrin`	`yarr!`
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`11:58.10`	`z00dax`	`Morning`
`12:01.12`	`wethrin`	`z00dax!`
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`12:01.18`	`wethrin`	`Are you able to see pictures today?`
`12:01.22`	`CopeUK`	`yes`
`12:01.24`	`CopeUK`	`why?`
`12:01.28`	`CopeUK`	`do you have any?`
`12:01.32`	`wethrin`	`Um. That was directed at z00dax :)`
`12:01.38`	`wethrin`	`http://www.glencairn.co.uk/shop/uploads/images_products/210.jpg`
`12:01.42`	`wethrin`	`But I have that picture to show you`
`12:01.43`	`CopeUK`	`oh`
`12:01.46`	`CopeUK`	`whisky glasses`
`12:01.48`	`CopeUK`	`pimp`
`12:06.20`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`12:06.44`	`wethrin`	`Who'd like some? :)`
`12:10.16`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: yes, looking now`
`12:10.19`	`z00dax`	`hi CopeUK`
`12:21.39`	`CopeUK`	`hullo z00dax`
`12:26.33`	`z00dax`	`CopeUK: your svn issue might relate directly to subversion no longer including apr within its own codebase.`
`12:27.33`	`z00dax`	`pre 1.3, apr was in the source bundle, 1.3+ has this removed, so adds an external dependancy - and it needs, iirc, a more recent apr than is in centos-4, so you might need to backport that`
`12:28.14`	`CopeUK`	`hrm, then why would it build from source?`
`12:29.18`	`z00dax`	`are you bulding and installing on the same machine ?`
`12:52.34`	`wethrin`	`z00dax / CopeUK - Can I tempt you into buying some Durham Whisky Society branded glasses? :)`
`12:52.58`	`cpufreak`	`how much`
`12:53.18`	`wethrin`	`�5 each (and that is pretty much cost price)`
`12:53.25`	`cpufreak`	`inc p+P?`
`12:53.35`	`morsing`	`cpufreak!`
`12:53.39`	`wethrin`	`I could just bring them down to London`
`12:53.46`	`cpufreak`	`I need them sent to northern ireland`
`12:53.49`	`morsing`	`wethrin: You're coming to London?`
`12:53.55`	`cpufreak`	`do you do a gift wrapping service? :)`
`12:53.55`	`wethrin`	`morsing: Soon!`
`12:54.01`	`morsing`	`:)`
`12:54.05`	`wethrin`	`cpufreak: Well, I don't have giftwrap :)`
`12:54.29`	`Leeds`	`http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2002221261129.gif - much lol!`
`12:54.44`	`cpufreak`	`are they high balls`
`12:54.46`	`cpufreak`	`or tumblers?`
`12:54.50`	`cpufreak`	`do you have any photos of htem`
`12:54.52`	`wethrin`	`http://www.glencairn.co.uk/shop/uploads/images_products/210.jpg`
`12:54.59`	`wethrin`	`But that's without branding`
`12:55.15`	`wethrin`	`I don't have photos of our glasses`
`12:55.21`	`wethrin`	`Proper tasting glasses`
`12:55.57`	`cpufreak`	`do they look quality`
`12:56.07`	`wethrin`	`Yes`
`12:56.21`	`wethrin`	`(but I would say that)`
`12:56.34`	`wethrin`	`I'll try and get a picture done of one`
`12:56.36`	`cpufreak`	`cheers`
`12:56.52`	`cpufreak`	`its just coz it'd be unusal enough that I could give it to the cunt I have for a dad for christmas`
`12:57.09`	`cpufreak`	`but that doesn't work if they don't look quality`
`12:57.10`	`cpufreak`	`:)`
`12:57.18`	`morsing`	`If my browser asks me to download a .php file instead of the server running it, what have I done wrong?`
`12:57.32`	`wethrin`	`morsing: You've not set the MIME time in the web server config properly`
`12:57.34`	`z00dax`	`morsing: not setup the httpd php handler correctly`
`12:57.41`	`wethrin`	`Or what z00dax said`
`12:58.08`	`wethrin`	`cpufreak: The glasses themselves are good. The engraving's good too. But I'll leave you to judge if you like the design or not :)`
`12:58.13`	`wethrin`	`Lunch!`
`12:58.14`	`z00dax`	`wethrin: yes, a pic be nice. Post picture, I'll get a few`
`12:58.19`	`Leeds`	`morsing: it means you're using php and therefore lose`
`12:58.39`	`wethrin`	`Excellent! I have a dozen left, which'd be nice to not have :)`
`12:58.51`	`morsing`	`z00dax: php handler is there`
`12:58.59`	`morsing`	`wethrin: Op me please`
`12:59.32`	`z00dax`	`morsing: ts not working, or its not handing out the right sort of content`
`12:59.45`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: don't op him - he's using php!`
`13:00.05`	`z00dax`	`morsing: create a .php file with phpinfo(); being the only line in it - then acess that over the web, does that work ?`
`13:00.24`	`morsing`	`application/x-httpd-php phtml pht php`
`13:00.32`	`Leeds`	`uh, what the fuck? apparently bittorrent has raised $25million and fired Bram Cohen`
`13:00.39`	`morsing`	`ts?`
`13:01.27`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Nope`
`13:01.54`	`z00dax`	`Leeds: ?`
`13:01.56`	`morsing`	`Leeds: You only sway today`
`13:02.02`	`CopeUK`	`z00dax: On one machine I built from source; it worked; I then tried to make the rpm, but failed; on machine 2 I didn't build from source, just embedded the same instructions in the spec file; this built but with dependency problems.`
`13:02.04`	`morsing`	`z00dax: What else?`
`13:02.35`	`z00dax`	`morsing: and a php module exists ?`
`13:03.35`	`z00dax`	`CopeUK: right, I'll have a play here in a bit`
`13:03.35`	`Leeds`	`morsing: huh huh huh what?`
`13:03.35`	`z00dax`	`it is 1.3.1 ?`
`13:03.35`	`morsing`	`z00dax: 5.0`
`13:03.35`	`CopeUK`	`1.3.2`
`13:03.36`	`morsing`	`2.0`
`13:03.36`	`z00dax`	`CopeUK: ok,`
`13:03.36`	`morsing`	`z00dax?`
`13:03.52`	`z00dax`	`morsing: do you have a loadmodule for php ?`
`13:04.31`	`z00dax`	`LoadModule php4_module modules/libphp4.so`
`13:04.48`	`z00dax`	`something like that, but change that line for your own details`
`13:06.00`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Yes`
`13:06.11`	`morsing`	`z00dax: And it works for apache-ssl`
`13:07.10`	`z00dax`	`you have different content handlers for mod-ssl and normal http ? wierd setup`
`13:07.21`	`morsing`	`z00dax: No it's the same one`
`13:07.38`	`z00dax`	`right`
`13:08.15`	`z00dax`	`so when you download the file at the browser - what do you get ? do you get the normal php file or do you get the output from the php file ( basically, trying to work out if the php is being parsed at all )`
`13:13.25`	`morsing`	`Huh? On some links it actually work (same php script)?!`
`13:15.09`	`z00dax`	`nice`
`13:15.13`	`morsing`	`Not really`
`13:15.20`	`z00dax`	`no :(`
`13:15.35`	`z00dax`	`svn diff the httpd's configs`
`13:15.58`	`z00dax`	`maybe the addtype is encapsulated within a location or directory block`
`13:16.26`	`morsing`	`emil:/webdomains/etc/apache2# diff apache2.conf /etc/apache2/apache2.conf`
`13:16.37`	`morsing`	`emil:/webdomains/etc/apache2#`
`13:27.00`	`morsing`	`z00dax?`
`13:41.29`	`z00dax`	`morsing: might be a bit more helpfull if you diff'ed against a pre-php-changes conf file :)`
`13:41.39`	`z00dax`	`people still call it apache2.conf :)`
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`13:44.57`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Huh? I diffed it against the file that worked before I re-installed. Don't have any other files`
`13:45.02`	`morsing`	`Dick_Turpin!`
`13:45.07`	`Leeds`	`evening Dick`
`13:45.21`	`z00dax`	`morsing: so you made some changes and diff still shows no changes ?`
`13:45.30`	`z00dax`	`morsing: I suspect you have greater issues than php not working`
`13:45.40`	`Leeds`	`so it turns out one of my mates will be going to the ITU expo next week, meaning I won't be there as a sad loner :-)`
`13:47.40`	`morsing`	`ITU?`
`13:47.54`	`morsing`	`z00dax: I didn't change anything`
`13:47.59`	`morsing`	`That's the problem`
`13:48.14`	`cpufreak`	`morsing: is it debian?`
`13:48.18`	`morsing`	`Yes`
`13:48.20`	`cpufreak`	`ahh`
`13:48.27`	`cpufreak`	`php wont happen in the apache2.conf file`
`13:48.38`	`morsing`	`cpufreak: I know but I checked all of them`
`13:48.42`	`cpufreak`	`look in /etc/mods-enabled`
`13:48.43`	`z00dax`	`morsing: since i dont know what the setup is at your end - all i can think of is, make sure that loadmodule and addtype for php is being done high up, and not inside some vhost or location`
`13:48.48`	`morsing`	`mods-available etc`
`13:49.06`	`morsing`	`z00dax: Nothing changed...`
`13:49.13`	`z00dax`	`morsing: right`
`13:49.20`	`cpufreak`	`there's a symlink in e/tc/apache2/mods-enabled for php[4\|5].conf and php[4\|5].load ?`
`13:49.20`	`z00dax`	`look at /etc/httpd/conf.d/ then`
`13:49.21`	`morsing`	`Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /webdomains/morsing.cc/billed.php on line 7`
`13:49.27`	`cpufreak`	`oh`
`13:49.28`	`morsing`	`Doesn't exist`
`13:49.40`	`z00dax`	`or where cpufreak says.`
`13:50.11`	`z00dax`	`lsb, iirc requires it to be at /etc/httpd/conf.d/ but i dont know if debian is lsb ok`
`13:50.23`	`cpufreak`	`php5-mysql \| php5-mysqli`
`13:50.31`	`cpufreak`	`s/5/4/ if you've an old version`
`13:51.53`	`trousers`	`Howdy`
`13:52.14`	`Leeds`	`morsing: International Telecoms Union`
`13:52.20`	`trousers`	`Dick_Turpin: Eh eh?`
`13:52.21`	`Leeds`	`Dick_Turpin: careful!`
`13:52.46`	`trousers`	`Leeds: I'm not contagious :)`
`13:53.32`	`Dick_Turpin`	`um sorry to be a pain whats the mysql connect problem?`
`13:53.49`	`cpufreak`	`Its php saying it doesn't have mysql support`
`13:53.57`	`cpufreak`	`because he's not installed the php mysql modules`
`13:54.04`	`cpufreak`	`which is packaged seperately in Debian/Ubuntu`
`13:54.19`	`Dick_Turpin`	`so I take it you have php-mysql installed?`
`13:54.34`	`cpufreak`	`I do. From morsing's errors, he doesn't.`
`13:54.42`	`cpufreak`	`which is why I told him to install it,`
`13:54.59`	`Dick_Turpin`	`sorry playing catchup`
`13:55.34`	`goibhniu`	`hey Dick_Turpin ... is your desktop on fire?`
`13:56.03`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, In the nicest possible way FO`
`13:56.25`	`goibhniu`	`are you using deb http://beryl-mirror.lupine.me.uk edgy main`
`13:57.11`	`goibhniu`	`I've installed it from scratch and also updated in the last few days ... so there shouldn't be a problem getting the packages any more`
`13:57.13`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, No I dont use the Black art of .deb I'm an rpm guy`
`13:57.36`	`goibhniu`	`oh yeah ... suse ... right`
`13:57.54`	`goibhniu`	`or was it centos?`
`13:58.07`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, I thought I was the old fart here with poor memory`
`13:58.29`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, SuSE`
`13:59.04`	`Dick_Turpin`	`goibhniu, At my age you take what you can get :-)`
`14:00.44`	`Dick_Turpin`	`cpufreak, is it sorted now?`
`14:00.54`	`cpufreak`	`I've no idea`
`14:00.57`	`cpufreak`	`I don't have any problems`
`14:00.59`	`cpufreak`	`as I said fuckwit`
`14:01.05`	`cpufreak`	`its morsing who has problems.`
`14:01.20`	`morsing`	`cpufreak: No - I think you have problems`
`14:01.46`	`cpufreak`	`really?`
`14:01.49`	`Dick_Turpin`	`cpufreak, s' a bit harsh I was only asking youve hurt my feelings now`
`14:01.56`	`cpufreak`	`you're the one who is always asking for help`
`14:02.19`	`cpufreak`	`Dick_Turpin: fair. I'd explained it once already, this way I'm sure Iw ont need to explain it again.`
`14:02.20`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Op me please`
`14:02.38`	`cpufreak`	`what, someone says something you odn't like, and you wanna ban them?`
`14:02.49`	`cpufreak`	`get down from your soap box man`
`14:02.52`	`cpufreak`	`and chill out`
`14:02.53`	`cpufreak`	`:)`
`14:03.08`	`Blapto`	`Lo`
`14:03.15`	`Dick_Turpin`	`cpufreak, Pardon me for breathing and trying to return the favour`
`14:03.21`	`cpufreak`	`\o/`
`14:03.57`	`z00dax`	`breathing is overrated`
`14:05.50`	`boudiccas`	`how can i flush my swap cache without logging out and logging back in please?`
`14:06.23`	`cpufreak`	`swapoff && swapon`
`14:06.39`	`z00dax`	`make sure you have enough ram to handle that`
`14:06.50`	`boudiccas`	`do i need to close programs like firefox which could be hogging it?`
`14:06.58`	`SlayerXP`	`boudiccas: depends.`
`14:07.15`	`SlayerXP`	`if they are swapped and can fit entirely in ram then you'll be fine`
`14:07.19`	`CopeUK`	`hello sabinef72`
`14:07.25`	`CopeUK`	`SLAYER gah`
`14:07.28`	`CopeUK`	`hello Mart`
`14:07.31`	`CopeUK`	`better?`
`14:07.45`	`SlayerXP`	`?`
`14:07.58`	`CopeUK`	`was trying to say hello :)`
`14:08.04`	`sabinef72`	`CopeUK : coucou`
`14:08.07`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
`14:09.05`	`SlayerXP`	`lo`
`14:13.38`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ`
`14:17.13`	`boudiccas`	`cpufreak; i've read the man page but can't seem to hit on the right combination to get swapoff [run as root] working. Can you give me some guidance please?`
`14:17.43`	`Blapto`	`I'm fine thank you`
`14:20.10`	`antiphase`	`swapoff -a ?`
`14:20.35`	`Leeds`	`late night gym time!`
`14:20.49`	`Leeds`	`boudiccas: you haven't told us how it fails`
`14:21.17`	`cpufreak`	`boudiccas: swapoff -a`
`14:21.19`	`cpufreak`	`in theroy`
`14:21.34`	`boudiccas`	`Leeds; it visually doesn't make any difference in gkrellm`
`14:22.14`	`Leeds`	`I assume you actually tested with free or a tool like that`
`14:22.52`	`boudiccas`	`i hadn't but have now`
`14:23.06`	`Leeds`	`and anyway... why do you think you know better than the kernel how to manage your RAM?`
`14:23.47`	`boudiccas`	`and swap remains half full to the detriment of drawing windows on my system when i move to another screen`
`14:23.54`	`Leeds`	`that's a blunt way of putting it... and I really am gone to the gym`
`14:24.16`	`Leeds`	`then there's an underlying issue - don't fix the symptom`
`14:25.00`	`antiphase`	`boudiccas: Get some more memory or stop using KDE`
`14:27.35`	`CopeUK`	`or both`
`14:28.23`	`goibhniu`	`or restart firefox`
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`14:29.04`	`antiphase`	`I find it's thunderbird that usually noshes all my RAM. Firefox just exits without warning occasionally`
`14:29.07`	`morsing`	`catalyst!`
`14:29.33`	`catalyst`	`seems ECS's other building's currently aflame now`
`14:29.37`	`catalyst`	`morsing!`
`14:31.00`	`z00dax`	`catalyst: damn!`
`14:31.02`	`boudiccas`	`well after closing virtually everything down and watching closely it turned out to be a konqueror window left open overnight which was being the memory hog! Once it was closed everythign went back to normal`
`14:31.06`	`z00dax`	`someone's got to stop setting those fires`
`14:31.31`	`catalyst`	`well, they've just finished taking down the remains of the mountbatten building which was next door to Zepler`
`14:31.38`	`z00dax`	`boudiccas: top with sort on memory usage would have told you`
`14:31.42`	`catalyst`	`and my friend was evacuated from Zepler just now`
`14:31.48`	`catalyst`	`three fire engines there`
`14:34.37`	`CopeUK`	`who is ECS?`
`14:35.10`	`CopeUK`	`Is this Soton uni on fire again?`
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`14:36.47`	`LeedsTreo`	`CopeUJ: I doubt that`
`14:37.12`	`catalyst`	`CopeUK: Yup, it's on fire again`
`14:37.16`	`catalyst`	`same department`
`14:37.19`	`LeedsTreo`	`(damn, no tab-completion)`
`14:37.21`	`catalyst`	`building next door to the last fire`
`14:40.13`	`CopeUK`	`k`
`14:41.26`	`goibhniu`	`trousers: I need to talk to you about Project Swordfish`
`14:41.45`	`morsing`	`LeedsTreo: How's the gyme?`
`14:42.02`	`goibhniu`	`trousers: let me know when you've got some time to go through the details`
`14:44.25`	`LeedsTreo`	`morsing: good, but probably closing too soon`
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`14:49.58`	`trousers`	`goibhniu: Swordfish?`
`14:50.06`	`goibhniu`	`trousers: yes`
`14:50.13`	`trousers`	`...`
`14:50.50`	`goibhniu`	`it's about taking the best of breed of a selection of free software technologies and creating a powerful stack`
`14:50.53`	`goibhniu`	`are you in?`
`14:51.00`	`goibhniu`	`it has nothing to do with robots`
`14:51.11`	`CopeUK`	`YADC?`
`14:51.15`	`goibhniu`	`the important thing is that it's called Swordfish`
`14:51.16`	`CopeUK`	`YASPD?`
`14:51.51`	`trousers`	`YASPD? You are seriously plotting deviously?`
`14:51.58`	`goibhniu`	`Inkscape/Pylons`
`14:52.08`	`CopeUK`	`Yet anothoer sodding pointless distro`
`14:52.15`	`goibhniu`	`we're talking lots of acronyms!!!`
`14:52.31`	`goibhniu`	`svg/xml/wsgi/orm ... the whole lot!`
`14:52.31`	`trousers`	`I'm trying to get this robot GUI sorted first :)`
`14:52.49`	`goibhniu`	`feck ... I was relying on you trousers`
`14:52.55`	`trousers`	`Why?`
`14:53.12`	`goibhniu`	`it came to me in a dream`
`14:53.28`	`goibhniu`	`I thought you were the swordtooth`
`14:53.36`	`goibhniu`	`I guess not ... nrm`
`14:53.48`	`goibhniu`	`nevermind ... even`
`14:55.25`	`goibhniu`	`I am serious about it though ... if you're looking for a fun project I think it might be interesting ... just pulling bits together really`
`14:56.28`	`goibhniu`	`the idea is that you end up with a cross platform web development platform ... which is basically inkscape with some pylons apps`
`14:57.09`	`goibhniu`	`export to svg for firefox goodness, otherwise image mapped pngs`
`14:59.39`	`LeedsTreo`	`it's later than 5 to, I think...`
`15:02.36`	`CopeUK`	`LeedsTreo: are you chattable to?`
`15:05.26`	`LeedsTreo`	`nope`
`15:06.00`	`CopeUK`	`any spaniards nearby?`
`15:06.08`	`LeedsTreo`	`just finished - will be home in a few`
`15:06.26`	`LeedsTreo`	`can chat then`
`15:07.28`	`CopeUK`	`k`
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`15:08.39`	`secretlondon`	`afternoon`
`15:09.02`	`catalyst`	`ello`
`15:09.46`	`boudiccas`	`secretlondon; hiyas :) you at soton uni? if so whata all this about fires down there?`
`15:12.42`	`secretlondon`	`boudicas: no - i'm not at southhampton. catalyst is though afaik`
`15:12.50`	`secretlondon`	`I live and study in london..`
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`15:13.28`	catalyst`	`hmm`
`15:14.50`	`trousers`	`Are statics bad programming practice in C or not?`
`15:15.13`	`boudiccas`	`secretlondon; ah, ty :)`
`15:15.49`	catalyst`	`trousers: good for information hiding`
`15:15.56`	catalyst`	`if you mean functions`
`15:16.15`	`antiphase`	`static functions are irritating`
`15:16.19`	catalyst`	`frowned upon in general if you mean variables, but I can see uses for them`
`15:16.26`	`antiphase`	`static variables lead to confusing behaviour`
`15:16.32`	catalyst`	`aye`
`15:18.02`	`trousers`	`I'm just trying to figure out how to change a picture in a gtk window by pressing a button`
`15:19.02`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: if you still need me, I'm at your service`
`15:19.09`	`CopeUK`	`ok`
`15:19.33`	`CopeUK`	`well, i've been given a "brief" to create some functionality`
`15:19.40`	`Leeds`	`also, I have a carton of iced sweetened lemon tea, and a carton of semi-skilled milk, so I'm happy :-)`
`15:20.00`	`CopeUK`	`i am not sure how realistic it is, but I am happy to give it a go`
`15:20.05`	`CopeUK`	`the request is framed thus:`
`15:20.14`	`antiphase`	`trousers: GTK expects callbacks to be static functions iirc, and you need one to do anything in response to user input`
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`15:21.00`	`CopeUK`	`When browsing a directory, if one clicks on a word document, instead of trying to display the doc, run a script that provides info about the script and displays it in the browser`
`15:21.18`	`trousers`	`antiphase: Well, I have a function, but I need to change the widget outside of the function by using the function :S`
`15:21.21`	`antiphase`	`C static functions only have file scope though, which seems to make writing nicely split-up code impossible`
`15:21.24`	`Leeds`	`browsing a directory in what?`
`15:21.33`	`trousers`	`antiphase: Can't you use extern?`
`15:22.05`	`antiphase`	`Possibly. My C fu is quite weak, and long unused`
`15:22.13`	`Leeds`	`trousers: why are you writing C?`
`15:22.25`	`trousers`	`Leeds: Because then it's more of a challenge`
`15:22.42`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: windows explorer, web front-end, etc.?`
`15:22.50`	`Leeds`	`why not do pygtk?`
`15:22.59`	`z00dax`	`trousers: might be easier to take on one challenge at a time - like maybe start with pygtk and then once you know your way around the toolkit, step back into c ?`
`15:23.10`	`catalyst`	`antiphase: not necessarily :)`
`15:23.34`	`CopeUK`	`leeds: just in a browser`
`15:23.50`	`trousers`	`I prefer learning the hard way`
`15:23.56`	`andrew__`	`is google calendar (and other googlisms) vitime of its own success?`
`15:24.00`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: okay, so you want to provide info about the file when it's clicked on in the browser...`
`15:24.04`	`z00dax`	`trousers: ok`
`15:24.10`	`CopeUK`	`yes, rather than the file itself`
`15:24.16`	`Leeds`	`andrew__: note that Google have announced the EOL of Google Answers today`
`15:24.36`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: okay, the only potentially hard bit is getting the appropriate info about the file - otherwise it's easy`
`15:24.44`	`andrew__`	`I have got "We could not save changes. Please try again in a few minutes`
`15:24.51`	`Leeds`	`what info do you need to provide?`
`15:25.00`	`andrew__`	`Try again in 90 minutes I get the same?`
`15:26.18`	`CopeUK`	`leeds: oh, well the getting the info bit will be a python prog which is almost done already`
`15:26.31`	`CopeUK`	`so i guess i just use mod_python`
`15:26.46`	`Leeds`	`I wouldn't use mod_python... I'd just make it cgi`
`15:26.48`	`secretlondon`	`The release of Ubuntu in Kurdish has created ww3..`
`15:26.54`	`CopeUK`	`Leeds: really?`
`15:26.55`	`secretlondon`	`in Turkey anyway`
`15:27.17`	`Leeds`	`you can be clever - use something like mod_rewrite to map links to the files to the cgi - or dumb - just make the directory with links to the cgi rather than the file`
`15:27.44`	`CopeUK`	`oh mod_rewrite was in the plan`
`15:28.14`	`Leeds`	`you can use mod_rewrite to make requests to /foo/bar.doc go to /cgi-bin/wordinfo.py?filename=bar.doc or even /cgi-bin/wordinfo.py/bar.doc and use PATH_INFO`
`15:28.34`	`Leeds`	`and if you do it as a local redirect rather than a remote one, it's invisible to the client`
`15:28.37`	`z00dax`	`more drive space... need more drive space.... more... more ... more...`
`15:29.08`	`CopeUK`	`k, sounds very doable.`
`15:29.54`	`Leeds`	`very much doable, and not particularly hard, apart from - potentially - the getting-the-info-from-the-file bit`
`15:31.12`	`CopeUK`	`why would you prefer cgi to mod_python?`
`15:31.31`	`CopeUK`	`isn't mod_python faster?`
`15:31.42`	`Leeds`	`I've got no love for mod_python, effectively... a lot of the reason it's there is because people love mod_perl and in-process php, but I don't`
`15:32.01`	`Leeds`	`for something more significant, I'd put it in cherrypy or another native python app server`
`15:33.17`	`Leeds`	`I've been getting along rather well with cherrypy - it's much closer to what I wanted when I tried Zope and hated it`
`15:33.24`	`CopeUK`	`k`
`15:34.07`	`Leeds`	`in short, cherrypy lets you write a python program which does web stuff... zope lets you have a web site with a bit of python stuff in it`
`15:34.16`	`CopeUK`	`hehe`
`15:34.19`	`goibhniu`	`hi secretlondon: link me!`
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`15:35.30`	`Leeds`	`Chr1s! good evening!`
`15:36.19`	`Chr1s`	`hi leeds`
`15:39.26`	`CopeUK`	`arse!!`
`15:40.06`	`YoussefAssad`	`eloquent sir, eloquent :)`
`15:41.21`	`CopeUK`	`sodding spanish on holiday on wed`
`15:41.27`	`CopeUK`	`which means i have to change all my travel plans`
`15:42.33`	`Leeds`	`and French on strike today, apparently... as well as a general strike in Israel`
`15:43.46`	`Leeds`	`CopeUK: oh, that's the religious holiday, something to do with Mary?`
`15:52.00`	`CopeUK`	`is it?`
`15:53.18`	`Leeds`	`I'm asking`
`16:20.32`	`morsing`	`Leeds: Ask away`
`16:20.53`	`Leeds`	`I'm not getting an answer`
`16:21.10`	`morsing`	`Leeds: What's the question?`
`16:21.15`	`boudiccas`	`42`
`16:23.07`	`morsing`	`OH Leeds :)`
`16:26.44`	`Leeds`	`"oh, that's the religious holiday, something to do with Mary?"`
`16:33.04`	`goibhniu`	`Leeds: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Mary`
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`16:46.38`	`secretlondon`	`and also by people playing really shit music on the computer, in the net cafe`
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`18:44.50`	`morsing`	`Mmm`
`18:57.30`	`trousers`	`morsing!`
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`19:26.17`	`resuDaed`	`anyone about?`
`19:27.33`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`19:28.39`	`resuDaed`	`hi, I'm having a bit of an nfs issue, RPC: call_verify: program 100003, version 3 unsupported by server 10.0.2.1`
`19:28.57`	`resuDaed`	`am guessing I am trying to use different versions of server and client`
`19:29.17`	`Leeds`	`both Linux?`
`19:29.32`	`Leeds`	`(sorry, but I shouldn't get involved - it's 3:30am and I need to sleep)`
`19:31.48`	`resuDaed`	`Leeds : yes, gentoo server, and debian client (diskless, so nfs is kinda usefull), but don't worry, I seem to be getting some help from #gentoo`
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`19:32.56`	`Leeds`	`g'night :-)`
`19:33.24`	`resuDaed`	`night Leeds`
`19:33.38`	`resuDaed`	`ftr: looks like a kernel recompile`
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`19:45.20`	`antiphase`	`Force v2 on the client?`
`19:51.51`	`resuDaed`	`antiphase : the client is mounting nfs as / at boot time, not exactly sure how to force`
`19:53.53`	`antiphase`	`Yuk`
`19:54.39`	`antiphase`	`How does it get the information to mount it?`
`19:57.23`	`resuDaed`	`it boots from pxelinux/tftp, with the boot options ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=[server]:[nfs mount]`
`20:00.22`	`resuDaed`	`the problem I have is that I have no idea what is actually causing the problem, because the error messages at boot time aren't exactly specific`
`20:00.53`	`resuDaed`	`I don't even know if it has re-requested it's ip from dhcp, or at what point it should`
`20:02.13`	`resuDaed`	`the main issue is that the server kernel only supports nfs v=<2, and the client by default wants to use 3 (I think)`
`20:03.28`	`resuDaed`	`nope, that's not the issue, I have just checked the kernel config on the client, and it doesn't support v3 anyway`
`20:31.09`	`morsing`	`Check it!`
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`20:55.22`	`resuDaed`	`eye69 : you wouldn't be familiar with appending ip=[blah] to the kernel at boot time would you, I cannot seem to find docs about it anywhere`
`20:57.30`	`morsing`	`eye69!`
`20:57.35`	`morsing`	`ibot eye69`
`20:57.43`	`ibot`	`rumour has it, eye69 is an Al Bundy believer`
`20:57.53`	`morsing`	`Cool :) Me too!`
`20:59.04`	`resuDaed`	`i've set ip=dhcp, and IP-Config gives out some random numbers that don't make sense`
`20:59.46`	`resuDaed`	`setting it manually is undocumented afaict, and has about 12 fields`
`21:00.01`	`resuDaed`	`and not in any sensical order`
`21:00.43`	`resuDaed`	`if I use dhcp, I get an address of 62.0.0.0, if I use bootp, I get 188.0.0.0`
`21:01.50`	`antiphase`	`HAve you actually configured your DHCP server?`
`21:03.38`	`resuDaed`	`antiphase : yeah, it gets it's kernel image from it ok, and gets the right address`
`21:04.03`	`antiphase`	`Is it using DHCP for that though?`
`21:04.11`	`antiphase`	`(i.e. IP)`
`21:06.19`	`resuDaed`	`yes, it gets an ip from dhcp, and the location of the tftp server (also getting aits address from dhcp), downloads the kernel and initrd ok, starts booting, then displays random ip settings, then screams because it cannot mount it's nfs root`
`21:06.51`	`antiphase`	`IF it's using DHCP the address it gets won't be random ;)`
`21:07.01`	`antiphase`	`Unless your server is not configured correctly`
`21:07.05`	`resuDaed`	`I know it's getting the right ip from dhcp at the first attempt, because the intel pxe booty thingie says so`
`21:07.27`	`antiphase`	`Have you considered binding the allocated address to the MAC?`
`21:07.54`	`resuDaed`	`it is`
`21:08.15`	`resuDaed`	`and outside of the random range`
`21:08.52`	`antiphase`	`Don't fight it dude. Go and find out why DHCP isn't working reliably ;)`
`21:09.16`	`resuDaed`	`I don't think it's dhcp`
`21:09.35`	`resuDaed`	`it's a server that works fine for normal hosts, and has for months`
`21:10.17`	`antiphase`	`Right.`
`21:10.39`	`antiphase`	`How do you expect to be able to talk to your NFS server from some random routable IP address?`
`21:11.11`	`antiphase`	`Assuming it's not woefully misconfigured`
`21:11.52`	`resuDaed`	`the box in question gets a static ip from dhcp, the nfs server is the dhcp server, the tftp server also gets a static ip from dhcp`
`21:12.11`	`resuDaed`	`I know the servers are working ip wise because I sshed into them`
`21:12.49`	`resuDaed`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:13.49`	`antiphase`	`Have you tried not using DHCP to see if it works?`
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`21:14.05`	`macooo`	`any one here`
`21:15.23`	`resuDaed`	`antiphase : I have tried setting ip= manually, but I cannot find any docs to fill in the whole thing`
`21:17.06`	`resuDaed`	`think I might have found another kernel option to allow dhcp for kernel auto-config`
`21:17.12`	`antiphase`	`http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/NFS-Root.html#ss4.5`
`21:17.18`	`resuDaed`	`recompiling now, should only take about 60s`
`21:17.18`	`antiphase`	`Google found an example in 5 seconds`
`21:17.42`	`resuDaed`	`antiphase : I have found many examples, but none of them give a full explanation`
`21:18.04`	`antiphase`	`HAve you tried experimenting?`
`21:18.22`	`resuDaed`	`yep`
`21:18.35`	`resuDaed`	`ok, trying new kernel...`
`21:19.07`	`antiphase`	`ip=<client-IP-number>::<gateway-IP-number>:<netmask>:<client-hostname>:eth0:off`
`21:19.15`	`antiphase`	`That seems like a fairly detailed explanation`
`21:19.26`	`resuDaed`	`what was your search phrase?`
`21:19.34`	`antiphase`	`linux "nfs root"`
`21:20.04`	`resuDaed`	`fair enough, mine had grown far too complicated by that point`
`21:20.14`	`resuDaed`	`does now seem to be getting further on dhcp now`
`21:20.55`	`resuDaed`	`some modules.dep problems now instead`
`21:25.54`	`resuDaed`	`ok, millions of errors, and lots of things waiting for timout, but I have login`
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`21:47.37`	`resuDaed`	`it's a great feeling when after 4 hours of hacking, bashing, swaering, and missing the blindingly obvious, that it finally works on vmware`
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`22:32.49`	`JAV`	`hi`
`22:33.13`	`resuDaed`	`hi`
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