irclog2html for #gllug on 20061119

00:00.17halibork
00:04.43haligood, i just love the lyrics in rapture :)
00:05.30z00daxsabinef72: wethrin: :)
00:05.58goibhniuthe attack of the giant ants often gets lodged in my brain for days :D
00:06.57goibhniuI don't think I know rapture
00:07.47haliAnd now he only eats guitars, get up!"
00:07.51hali"'Cause the man from Mars stopped eatin' cars and eatin' bars
00:08.01haliok, that paste got in backwards.. but anyway :)
00:09.17goibhniuI'm getting endless milage lately from setting last-exit to music that sounds like "the slits" and turning it up to max obscurity
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01:18.44cpufreakanyone know any bars around the westend which are open til3?
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01:28.18rhowe]/win 27
06:24.13Leedsmmm... curry lunchfast
08:26.53morsingNice
08:27.19morsingHow do I get a list of my irssi sessions?
09:19.21Leedstime to go to the movies - again... 4th time in 8 days
09:37.24gregjhttp://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/world/europe/19poland.html?ex=1321592400&en=68417282d710f2b1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
09:37.28gregjwhat a pile of poo
09:38.09gregjthat is, that we have "shortage" here in .pl
09:38.24*** join/#gllug goibhniu (n=cillian@87-194-36-120.bethere.co.uk)
09:39.41gregjand if it is true, it is time for me to get the fsck out of here, and back to uk
09:44.13goibhniu"the CCTV digital video recorders on the toll road run Linux"!! ... this is great news
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10:12.27trousers_laptopMornin'
10:13.29sabinef72morning
10:19.49serris_Morning trousers_laptop, sabinef72
10:20.06trousers_laptopsabinef72: If you've never been to Britain then how did you hear about GLLUG?
10:23.17sabinef72trousers_laptop: I meet mozrat
10:24.55trousers_laptopsabinef72: Where? France?
10:26.08sabinef72first by irc on another channel, then in real life in France
10:27.54serris_hi z00dax
10:28.09z00daxhey serris_
10:28.16sabinef72hi z00dax and serris_
10:28.23keithlard_http://vimmate.rubyforge.org/VimMate-0.6.0-features.html
10:28.27keithlard_what up!
10:28.37serris_How's it going?
10:31.43sabinef72trousers_laptop: why these questions ?
10:32.42keithlard_shall i make more coffee and have toast and marmalade, or is that just self-indulgence?
10:34.57sabinef72marmalade is not good.............;
10:35.18goibhniutoast gives you cancer
10:35.42serris_I just wish I had some chips and a cheese burger with it
10:36.51serris_same but I have no food
10:36.53z00daxtoast gives you cancer ? I musta missed the memo....
10:38.25goibhniuhttp://user.pa.net/~nrwing/whataguy/banbread/
10:38.52goibhniusorry, that's just silly
10:39.23z00daxeven so, cancer does not feature on that page
10:41.27trousers_laptopsabinef72: I was curious...
10:42.12trousers_laptopHaven't scientific studies shown that testing lab rats give them cancer? ;)
10:42.49goibhniuthe evidence is inconclusive ... http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040730.html
10:42.57sabinef72trousers_laptop: will you come next week end ?
10:45.50trousers_laptopsabinef72: I dunno... Maybe.
10:46.18sabinef72ok but if you want to come, you will be welcome
10:46.31trousers_laptopWhere is the meeting>
10:46.31trousers_laptop?
11:08.03Copes
11:09.04keithlard_hiyha
11:09.59Copehello
11:10.06Copekeithlard_: VDH *SOLD*
11:10.14keithlard_alright!
11:10.20Copeguess how much!?
11:10.29keithlard_100?
11:10.33Cope333.33
11:10.35Cope:O)
11:10.37keithlard_wow!
11:10.42keithlard_pretty awesome!
11:10.44z00daxwhats a VDH ?
11:10.53Copez00dax: loudspeaker cable
11:11.23z00daxright
11:12.40Copemeet and right
11:23.48sabinef72trousers_laptop: sorry for the lag.... I dunno where will be the meeting, you should ask to mozrat
11:42.36trousers_laptopSorry, Cope sold a cable for £333?
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11:50.44haliCope: i have an unused "Transparent Super XL" if you need to replace the vdh :)
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11:57.02asht_007morning
11:58.03wethrinmoin
11:58.25asht_007anyone ever used Amanda backup
11:58.35Dick_Turpinwatcha
11:59.00wethrinYears ago. More recently I tend to use rsync and/or tar
11:59.47asht_007well may be you can help with a mail problem
12:00.24asht_007basically I got amanda sending reports of the backup to me ie i have added my name to amanda.conf
12:00.34asht_007the MTA is postfix
12:00.57asht_007but i am not sure how to get the mail to my local machine
12:01.16Dick_TurpinI use Arkeia
12:02.58wethrinEnable local delivery
12:12.57morsingwethrin!
12:14.09wethrinhi
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12:18.26morsingflips_and_rails!
12:20.53Copecv
12:20.57Copedsklhvgsdwe
12:21.01Cope2372jhdfvfdvkjl
12:21.06sabinef72morsing !
12:21.17sabinef72morsing: what did you prepar me for lunch ?
12:21.30morsingsabinef72: Raw herring
12:21.46morsingCope: kdflirfksnxvesdrgsezd
12:22.09sabinef72morsing: with potatoes ?
12:23.13wethrinAtlanta!
12:23.20morsingsabinef72: No - egg
12:23.29sabinef72beurkkkkkkkkkk
12:23.39morsingsabinef72: ?!?!?!
12:24.18wethrin!
12:24.28sabinef72morsing: I don't like it
12:24.42sabinef72I like herring with potatoes
12:25.21morsingsabinef72: Uhhmmm... You don't know what I'm talking about then!
12:25.48sabinef72morsing: ahhhh so do you have a picture ?
12:27.36morsingsabinef72: Trying, very difficult to find
12:28.19trousersmorsing: What are you trying to find morsing?
12:29.16morsingIt's like this but with egg yolk over it (there's rye bread underneith it):
12:29.17morsinghttp://www.nordicplate.net/nordicplate-da/dishes/sildemad/totalreporthttp://www.nordicplate.net/nordicplate-da/dishes/sildemad/totalreport
12:29.44morsingtrousers: Picture of proper food
12:29.51morsingtrousers: You wouldn't know it
12:29.57sabinef72Site error
12:29.57sabinef72This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
12:29.57sabinef72Error Type
12:29.57sabinef72<PROTECTED>
12:29.57sabinef72Error Value
12:29.57trousersI am offended!
12:29.58sabinef72<PROTECTED>
12:30.00sabinef72Request made at
12:30.02sabinef72<PROTECTED>
12:30.06morsingNice
12:30.12trousersI am offended!
12:30.23morsingtrousers: Are you british?
12:30.46trousersRather.
12:30.51morsingSo you have no clue about good food...
12:31.02trousersAre you yourself not British?
12:31.04wethrinSo you say raw herring is good food?
12:31.10wethrinCompared to, say, pie?
12:31.16morsingtrousers: Not for another 7 months
12:31.20morsingtrousers: Reminds me...
12:31.29morsingwethrin: I have no choice!
12:31.29wethrinmorsing: Enjoy the good food while you still can :)
12:31.31trousersmorsing: So in 7 months you shall not know good food?
12:31.42wethrinBah. You liked Chimes :-P
12:31.43morsingtrousers: I've forgotten akready (almost)
12:32.04morsingwethrin: Uhmm... Still doesn't compare to a proper danish restaurant
12:32.08sabinef72lol....
12:32.12wethrinmorsing: Are there any in London?
12:32.16sabinef72I never saw before a "troll-food"...........
12:32.17trousersGood food is all about perspective, however, so you have no right to insult me -_-
12:32.18morsingwethrin: No
12:32.33wethrinBah
12:32.37morsingtrousers: No it's not.
12:32.48trousersYes. It is.
12:32.51wethrinIsn't trousers still at school, so eating Turkey Twizzlers?
12:32.58morsingYou're too scared to have good food
12:33.06morsingwethrin: And McMuffins
12:33.11trouserswethrin: I generally don't eat lunch at school... And when I do it's normally a snadwich
12:33.12wethrinMm....McMuffins
12:33.26trouserss/na/an/
12:33.58trousersor a jacket potato
12:37.30trousersgoibhniu: AS nutritious as mycoprotein is... It has no flavour...
12:37.45Dick_TurpinMarmite is the food of the Gods :)
12:38.07goibhniutrousers ... it can taste like anything ... usually chicken
12:38.08trousersDick_Turpin: You're not one of those people who heats up marmite in a cup and drinks it, are you? *Winces*
12:38.36Dick_Turpintrousers_laptop: na that bovril you muppet
12:38.47trousersgoibhniu: I was led to believe that those were flavourings added to the fungi
12:39.01trousersDick_Turpin: No... My friend's dad does it >.<
12:39.40goibhniutrousers you were not misled ... incredible isn't it!
12:39.43Dick_Turpintrousers_laptop: then he needs to be taken outside and hit with a large raddish
12:41.28trousersgoibhniu: Then the mycoprotein doesn't actually have any flavour
12:42.22trousersDick_Turpin: Indeed
12:42.34goibhniutrue ... but with the right ingredients they will make raw herring ... some day
12:42.52goibhniuand rhinosaurus eggs
12:43.05morsingYou people are hopeless when it comes to food
12:43.24Dick_Turpintrousers_laptop: The Marmite factory is not far from us Burton on Trent its a bit wiffy
12:43.32wethrinmorsing: What? I'm going to make myself some bacon
12:44.32SpudulikeRaise them pigs!
12:44.40morsingSpudulike!
12:44.42wethrinSPUD!
12:44.45SpudulikeMorsing!
12:44.47morsingNow there's a good restaureant
12:44.53trousersPotato!
12:45.16SpudulikeLove Marmite.
12:45.32SpudulikeErr, I thought this was a family channel.
12:45.55SpudulikeHi Wethrin, how's it going?
12:46.04wethrinIt's going okay
12:46.12wethrinNeed to have breakfast, and then head off to band
12:50.47wethrinYay!
12:50.51morsing£1.98 worth of parts
12:50.53morsing:)
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13:05.06JAVgood afternoon
13:11.43morsingJAV!
13:13.22JAVhow's life?
13:14.16morsingCrap
13:14.45antiphaseStill having trouble finding your arse with both hands?
13:20.42JAVI should have lunch, or something. I've just arrived home
13:21.24JAVsince yesterday at 19:00
13:21.58morsingNice
13:22.18JAVIt was a piano concert that got complicated :)
13:22.55JAV(my english is even worse without sleeping)
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13:56.40LeedsJAV: was she nice?
13:56.47rhoweo.O BT acquired Counterpane?
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14:14.21JAVLeeds, they were nice, yes :D
14:17.23Leeds*they* - nice one :-)
14:23.33JAVjust friends, but a good night
14:23.54Leedsme too - but I got home at 4am...
14:25.06JAVI start to enjoy madrid, doing things on my own (like the piano concert in the evening)
14:25.39JAVtoday the plan is a gustav klint exibition
14:26.29Leedsthis evening, I went to the end of the HK Jewish Film Festival - 4th trip to the cinema in 8 days
14:27.16JAVthe only film I want to see in usual cinemas is Borat
14:28.36goibhniuJAV: there's a cool short film fest on this weekend if that floats your boat
14:29.06goibhniuhttp://www.resfest.co.uk/
14:29.27goibhniuoh ... you're in madrid :D
14:29.42ErwinI found Borat ultimately overrated. Same for "The Departed".
14:31.19JAVgoibhniu, I saw an advance of resfest in artfutura, I liked
14:32.56JAVnow there's the week of science here
14:33.18JAVnothing really interesting
14:35.57JAVhttp://www.fotciencia.fecyt.es/macro/index.html
14:36.17JAVhttp://www.fotciencia.fecyt.es/micro/index.html
14:36.39JAVa photo science exhibit
14:38.30rhoweErwin: Borat was pretty disjointed, I thought
14:38.59ErwinIn fact, I'm shocked to say it, but I thought Jackass 2 was more entertaining.
14:39.02rhoweErwin: But there were still some "OMFG ROFL" moments
14:39.28rhoweErwin: The naked hotel scene I thought was pretty well done :)
14:40.18rhoweErwin: I'm just left wondering how much of the film was staged - probably at least 50% I guess
14:40.24JAVI saw the swimsuit photo without previous knowledge of the film. quite omfg
14:40.38rhoweJAV: The sunbathing one?
14:40.40LeedsBorat isn't due out here until March - the guy who runs the film festival is trying to arrange a 'private' screening
14:40.42rhoweJAV: Lime green?
14:40.51JAVrhowe, yes :D
14:41.17rhoweLeeds: Hm, worth seeing I guess
14:41.32rhoweLeeds: I didn't feel too ripped off, even at London prices
14:42.08rhoweWe saw it at Whiteleys in Bayswater, which wasn't the best of cinemas - fairly clean, but the screen was small
14:42.56rhoweThey got bonus points for allowing me to buy Jia's student ticket without her being there with her student card though (she joined us later), and they never checked her student credentials anyway
14:43.15Leedsthe festival has been at the most expensive cinema in HK - $75 (£5) each
14:43.16Erwinrhowe: Well, from I've read many of the scenes were filmed about the people agreed to be part of something else (e.g. the hotel where they are thrown out: they agreed to let some guy film the art in the lobby). Then Borat comes in
14:43.34rhoweErwin: In that case, haha
14:43.55Leedsyeah, I think people knew they were being filmed, but not what they were being filmed for
14:46.01ErwinHowever they signed some extreme release forms which meant that they unknownigly accepted Borat in their life
14:47.26rhoweheh
14:47.39Leedsit's amazing what you can do with contracts :-)
14:47.56rhoweBloody lawyers :P
14:48.43rhoweSun Nov 19 14:48:42 GMT 2006
14:48.52rhowehm.. shops'll shut soon
14:51.30Leedsha! I was quite surprised to find the shops in the mall shut (or shutting, in some cases) when I came out of the cinema at about 8:30pm
14:52.23rhowe<PROTECTED>
14:52.27rhowe(from IMDB)
14:52.53Leedsnice
14:53.46Leedshow much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
14:54.14antiphaseTwice as much as half of it
14:54.35Leeds100% of all of it?
14:54.36rhowe<PROTECTED>
14:55.46mozratHey leeds
14:56.07mozratare you able to recommend a python module for creating graphs with the minumum of headfuck?
14:56.55LeedsI've used matplotlib...
14:57.23murbLeeds: it is too late in the afternoon for deeply philsiophical questions such as that.
14:58.15mozratLeeds: I had that in the headfuck category on first glances.. let me look again
14:58.35Leedsit's not the sanest code I've come across, no
14:58.52Leedsactually, more on the interface side of things than the graphing code itself
15:01.07mozratThere is nothing in the main distribution?
15:01.14Leedsno
15:01.16mozratof Python that is
15:01.18mozratoh, shame
15:01.20mozratok - thanks
15:01.37Leedsassuming you mean what's more commonly called the stdlib or standard library...
15:01.48mozratYes
15:06.31Erwinmozrat: graphs in the mathemathical sense, or bar/pie/etc. chart?
15:06.50mozratErwin: nothing more complicated than a simple pie chart
15:06.59mozratexported to a file and then included in a webpage
15:07.17Erwinmozrat: When I started out, I used gdchart which has python bindings
15:07.37Erwinit's not very advanced -- now I use ChartDirectory which is awesome but commercial $99 sotware.
15:07.48mozratyeah, I looked at ChartDirector
15:09.58goibhniuperhaps scribus? http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Making_a_Pie_Chart#piechart.py
15:11.09ErwinOuch.
15:11.26mozratgoibhniu: Hmm, I didn't know Scribus had python bindings.. that will be handy for other stuff but not this
15:11.30mozratthanks anyway
15:11.53goibhniumaybe a lighter svg lib would do the trick though
15:11.59morsingNice
15:13.33ErwinI also tried http://home.gna.org/pychart/at some point, but gave up due to it being buggy. ChartDirector fixed all that :)
15:25.37mozratErwin: ChartDirector looks lovely
15:27.02ErwinI think they have an unlimted trial, if you don't mind the text saying "created with chart director"
15:27.26mozratHmm!
15:28.20Leeds"Behold - the Internet!" "My god... it's full of ads!"
15:28.35mozratFreebird!!
15:28.56mozrathttp://youtube.com/watch?v=8QiIU0Tun3I
15:29.19Leedsamongst the ads are "Girls proving theorums" and "Talk dirty with Eliza" - this is in Futurama
15:29.26Leedsuh, theorems
15:34.29Leedsugh
15:35.49mozrat"ugh" at Gantt Charts?
15:36.39Leedsyes
15:36.44mozratwhy?
15:37.08Leedsnasty manager-type things
15:37.42mozratuseful though
15:50.48morsingTHE TOMATO!
15:54.31morsingmozrat?
15:56.38mozratJa?
16:12.15Leedswoo! I won EBA
16:13.23morsingLeeds: Nice
16:14.08Leedswell, I finished it on the extra-hard level which appears when you win the hard level... dunno yet if there's an extra-extra hard one or something
16:23.31Leedsnope, no harder level
16:24.11mozratBasketball?
16:24.41Leedsno
16:24.52Leedselite beat agents
16:25.01mozratoh
16:25.03mozratNFI
16:25.08Leedslike DDR, only on the screen of the DS
16:25.11mozratbut.. well done!
16:26.19Leedsit really isn't that common for a game to grab me enough that I have to play it through to the end... but this one did :-)
16:27.40ErwinHmm, the number of interesting DS games I've seen since Phoenix Wright has been limited
16:28.24Leedssee, Phoenix Wright didn't grab me *that* much
16:28.46LeedsCastlevania DS and Mariokart DS are the only two other DS games which have
16:29.35Leedsooh, bad pun: "Hu's afraid of the Dalai Lama"
16:32.04keithlard_how come you can't import your photos into one directory any more?
16:33.34mozrathttp://beerandspeech.org/tmp/graphs.png # my days work
16:34.07mozratapparently 3 people in my IT department go through a spreadsheet of calls trying to work out which ones are about to break the SLA
16:34.17mozratfor each of their departments...
16:34.44mozrats/departments/teams/
16:35.59keithlard_oh wait, i remember what you have to do
16:36.23keithlard_choose a folder above where you want to import to, and then in the 'Film' box enter the name of the subdirectory you want to actually import into
16:37.08keithlard_50 L4M3
16:37.32Leeds"So then the hookerbot says "That's not my expansion slot", and my friend says "That's not my gold-plated 25-pin connector"" :-)
16:43.46morsingHa ha
16:45.32morsingJust asked my brother-in-law about his electronic dart board
16:51.45morsingTHE TOMATO!
17:06.55morsingTHE TOMATO!
17:07.08morsingThat ad is about to drive me insane
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17:19.17morsingwethrin?
17:25.32SpudulikeWhich ad is the 'The Tomato' ad?
17:26.11morsingSpudulike: The Knoor Ragu one
17:26.25morsingWhere the tomato is the super hero
17:26.42SpudulikeAh, so many adverts, so little time.
17:27.12morsinghttp://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=38431
17:27.44SpudulikeI am keen to get a clean copy of the music bed for the Zurich Because advert.
17:29.31wethrinmorsing?
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17:33.15macooohi all
17:33.17morsingwethrin: What do you think of that ad?
17:33.19morsingmacooo!
17:33.27macooohow is every ones weekend going on
17:33.36morsingmacooo: Crap
17:33.47morsingNo wait. That's my life in general
17:34.04morsingmacooo: I fixed te drain for my washing machine
17:34.09morsingThanks wethrin
17:35.41wethrinIt's a mildly irritating west country accent
17:36.28morsingIs it?
17:36.34morsings
17:36.36wethrin:)
17:36.56morsingOhh.. The ad. I thought you meant the beer
17:37.04wethrin:)
17:37.47morsingwethrin: My server was backed up today so I should really attempt to re-install it :(
17:37.54wethrin:(
17:38.08wethrinWant me to take it out of secondary MX for the moment?
17:38.39morsingwethrin: Won't start till tomorrow but no, that shouldn't be necessary anyway
17:38.45wethrinright
17:38.52morsingMmm... Darts
17:39.07wethrin:)
17:42.09morsingwethrin: Which company do I have my buildings insurance with?
17:42.15wethrinI don't know
17:42.19wethrinYou've not told me
17:44.54morsingwethrin: The only cover I can find is with Woolwich but it says expiry date in 2005 but I can't remember moving it elsewhere
17:45.38wethrinHmm. Maybe they automatically renewed it. Or maybe you're not insured
17:45.44wethrinYou could check your bank statements
17:46.28wethrinoh?
17:47.00morsingThe insured building is the flat building I rented a flat in when I bought my house?!?!?!??
17:47.09wethrineh?
17:47.13morsingSo my house has never been insured?!?!!!!!!
17:47.27wethrinTime to take out some insurance
17:47.38morsingHow can they be so stupid?!
17:48.03morsingAnd how can I take out insurance on a building I don't own?
17:48.29wethrinWas it buildings or contents insurance?
17:49.08morsingBuilding
17:49.23morsingThat's just weird
17:49.50wethrinWell, insurance companies like taking your money, so why not?
17:50.35wethrinMmm...steak
17:50.42morsingMmm... Beer
17:51.13wethrinWhat sort of beer
17:51.24wethrinI have a Rauchbier in the fridge. I may have it with pizza tonight
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18:14.34morsingDick_Turpin!
18:17.50mozratyay!
18:18.30Dick_Turpinmozrat: you skin flint all you had in your wallet was an OAP bus pass and 20p
18:18.59mozratdon't get my pension until Wednesday
18:19.44Dick_TurpinIts Tuesdays up here thats when you'll find me outside the post office "Carry your bag dear?"
18:26.50mozratI love Python
18:26.56mozratThankyouthatisall
18:27.11Dick_Turpin?
18:28.16mozratNothing... just tidying up some code I wrote this weekend.
18:28.34Dick_TurpinI'm wating to get flamed on the OpenSuSE list :-)
18:28.37mozratI'm nothing like a professional programmer but I get a nice glow when I write something that looks sensible and it works
18:32.17morsingAnyone know Xvfb?
18:32.27mozratYeah, I know him
18:32.33mozratHaven't seen him for a while though
18:32.43morsingShould this command hang:
18:32.48morsing/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvfb :5 -screen 0 1024x768x8 -pn -fp /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
18:34.44morsingAnyone?
18:35.03mozratBueller?
18:35.09mozrat[...]
18:35.13mozratBueller?
18:35.25morsingWhen running the start script it doesn't say [ OK ]
18:35.28halimorsing: yes, i think so.. i've only used it with java to get headless stuff to work.. and in those cases i always nohup it
18:35.30Dick_Turpinmorsing: I wish I could help but I'm worse than useless :-(
18:35.43morsinghali: Tanks
18:35.47morsinghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
18:36.08mozratTanks? Where??
18:37.16morsingWhat is 'initlog'?
18:37.30Dick_Turpinlog for init?
18:38.51morsingLinux sucks
18:39.54mozratI suck
18:40.15morsingWhat does Xvfb do?
18:40.42morsinghali?
18:40.48Dick_Turpinmozrat: How much?
18:40.56rhowemorsing: Lets you run X without a graphics card
18:41.08halimorsing: create a nice void to draw x stuff you don't care about on
18:42.44mozratDick_Turpin: !!
18:42.56morsingHmm... Some Oracle process does this when trying to start up
18:43.03Dick_Turpinmozrat: Tee Hee
18:43.15halimorsing: oc4j?
18:43.22morsingBIB-7000 Cannot access X Server
18:43.43sabinef72mozrat !!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:43.47morsingIs there a log for this?
18:44.07sabinef72mozrat: did you forget me ???????
18:44.12morsing*sigh*
18:44.30halimorsing: what oracle software and version?
18:44.34mozratof course not!
18:44.38mozrathow are you?
18:44.42sabinef72hali : hello !
18:44.48halihi sabinef72
18:44.49sabinef72mozrat: why are you ignoring me ?
18:45.03mozratsabinef72: when?
18:45.08sabinef72lol
18:45.15sabinef72you don't replay to my email
18:45.20morsinghali: 8.0.6
18:45.21mozratok ok
18:45.30halimorsing: oh im sorry :)
18:45.37halimorsing: 8.0 is a pain
18:45.39haliexpecially on linux
18:45.48sabinef72how are you hali ?
18:45.56morsingOracle is always a pain on any platform
18:46.07halisabinef72: im good thanks, how are you? london next weekend right?
18:46.20morsinghali, rhowe: Can I test this with some other app?
18:46.29mozratsabinef72: I'll answer as soon as I can
18:46.36halimorsing: try to start xclock or something on that display?
18:46.51sabinef72hali : yes, I'm impatient and you *MUST* come to the meeting saturday
18:47.04sabinef72mozrat: I know I was just teasing you man !
18:47.06morsingIt's listening on 6005
18:47.16mozratsabinef72: the dog is very small
18:47.20morsingWhat does this mean?
18:47.23morsinglocalhost.lo:x11-ssh-offset *:*                         LISTEN
18:47.40mozratI'll keep her away from you if you are worried but I don't need to put a muzzle on her.. we'll just lock her away
18:47.49mozratshe only bites Frenchies.. :-)
18:48.03morsinghali: Nothing like that installed
18:48.07mozratsabinef72: don't worry.. We'll lock her in my office
18:48.08sabinef72mozrat: my godddddddd
18:48.44sabinef72mozrat: of course not... I'll try not to bite her
18:49.20mozratheh
18:49.31mozratAll of the other info.. I'll answer tomorrow
18:49.41halisabinef72: i'll try to make it, do you know what pub?
18:49.43mozratI think your schedule is a little croweded but possible
18:49.49mozratwhat is a duck tour?
18:50.00Dick_TurpinBloody SuSE I'm fighting a losing battle here
18:50.21sabinef72morsing: can you show to mozzie what is the duck tour ?
18:50.35mozratDick_Turpin: why?
18:50.36boudiccasDick_Turpin; try CentOS, works out of the box i find :)
18:50.53sabinef72hali: I dunno yet....
18:50.59morsingsabinef72: I agree with Mozzie
18:51.13sabinef72mozrat: we have to choose the pub for saturday
18:51.14mozrathali: If you are on the social mailing list we'll decide tomorrow
18:51.22haliim not, yet :)
18:51.24mozratsomewhere close to the central line
18:51.28morsinghali: Just phoned the costumer and she agreed that it was an Oracle issue rather than an OS issue :)
18:51.33sabinef72mozrat: where is the social list ?
18:51.40mozratOK - well.. we'll know tomorrow. It will be somewhere central
18:51.47mozratsabinef72: on the internet
18:51.57morsingmozrat: http://www.londonducktours.co.uk/
18:52.19sabinef72mozrat: which address on the internet ? can I see it ?
18:52.26mozratwow - I've never seen them
18:52.37mozratsabinef72: it's www.. something. I can't remember
18:52.42morsingmozrat: You haven't?!
18:52.43mozratcan you find it from there
18:52.46sabinef72lol
18:52.47mozratmorsing: no!
18:52.50morsingWeird
18:53.01Dick_Turpinboudiccas: I run that at work for my web server
18:53.04mozrathttp://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social
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18:53.50boudiccasDick_Turpin; use it for a workstation at home then :)
18:55.18Dick_Turpinboudiccas: I run SuSE at home Fedora on my Dell Laptop Ubuntu on an IBM X20 and CentOS on a Fujitsu server :-)
18:58.38morsingNcie
19:00.13hali*note to self* making tortellini from scratch takes a *long* time
19:00.26halibeen folding paste for the last hour
19:00.29halipasta*
19:04.05morsinghali: What's in them?
19:04.19morsingIs it hard? Did you make the pasta as well?
19:04.32haliyes, it's damn hard
19:04.42halii have cheese and brocolli
19:05.30halijust mushed to a paste and packaged in to a tiny round things.. making the paste itself is pretty easy if you have one of those things to make lasanga plates
19:05.58halithe folding and packaging takes time though
19:09.38morsinghali: Can you buy the pasta instead?
19:10.34haliyes, im sure you can buy those lasange plates thingies .. just cut them up in suitable folding shapes and start folding :)
19:12.41haliand.. hmm.. black pudding and pasta? :)
19:12.57haligood way to trick people in to trying black pudding though
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19:32.37wethrinPIE
19:32.44trousersMmm
19:33.01morsinghali: Friend of mine would eat black pudding with anything
19:33.08morsingwethrin: CHEESE
19:33.10wethrinMmm....black pudding
19:33.18wethrinBlack pudding with cheese?
19:33.27wethrinOr a black pudding & cheese pie?
19:33.37halithe only way to eat it is with bacon and swedish lingonberry sauce :)
19:33.54wethrinOr as part of a mixed grill, or breakfast
19:34.54morsingMmm... breakfast
19:35.17wethrinPart of your complete cooked breakfast
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19:42.29secretlondonhi
19:42.43wethrinhi
19:43.21secretlondonthe internet sent me to bed last night - I got very lagged at around 3am and gave up
19:43.39wethrinGood for it!
19:43.47wethrinDid you just wake up?
19:44.10secretlondonabout 20 mins ago
19:44.25secretlondonmy body clock is on random amusement setting
19:44.26wethrinriiiiight
19:46.11secretlondonI've had a habit of ending up on est or something - i blame the net again
19:47.31secretlondonrather than my lack of self discipline
19:53.14wethrin:)
20:01.06morsingWhy is buying fireworks online so expensive?
20:01.21wethrinCan't you get them more locally?
20:01.28secretlondonmorsing: shipping them safely?
20:04.19morsingsecretlondon: That's £10
20:04.39morsingDoesn't explain the £200 pricetag on every single peice
20:04.43morsingpiece
20:13.29morsingwethrin?
20:14.48wethrinyes?
20:17.09morsingWhat are you doing?
20:18.51wethrinIRCing! And buying things on eBay
20:19.40secretlondoni'm reading the news sites and drinking coffee. Later I will be catching up with my bugs and making food
20:19.45morsingWhat are you buying?
20:21.03wethrinA SunPCI card
20:21.17wethrin£13.20 inc. delivery is about standard market rate for it
20:21.22wethrinMaybe a bit under
20:22.58morsingwethrin: Can I go to bed now?
20:23.30wethrinNo. You must stay up another 7 minutes
20:23.41morsingNice
20:23.51wethrinThen you can go
20:24.56morsingThanks
20:35.34secretlondonwethrin: have you set yourself up as the bedroom police?
20:35.59wethrinsecretlondon: No, morsing just asked for my permission
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20:38.47morsingfailure!
20:40.54morsingSame as Burana on #aix
20:41.07morsingMaybe failure is a logging bot?
20:41.14morsingwethrin?
20:41.27morsing~seen failure
20:41.43ibotfailure is currently on #gllug (3m 32s), last said: ':P'.
20:41.56secretlondonoh it does speak
20:42.02morsing:)
20:42.30wethrinmorsing?
20:42.46morsingwethrin: What's your opinion on the subject?
20:42.55wethrinWhich subject?
20:42.58morsingfailure's ability to speak
20:43.12wethrinNo idea.
20:43.31morsingmozrat: :(
20:43.36secretlondonfailure logs in for the attention i think
20:43.54secretlondonclearly uk based from the bt address
20:53.13ErwinFirefox has stolen my middle mouse button
20:53.50trousersDoes anybody have a set of lockpicks?
20:54.07goibhniudon't begrudge the fox ... I'm sure it has good reason
21:04.25goibhniu**Funkadelic** "Free your mind and your ass will follow"
21:05.56boudiccasgoibhniu; you didn't go to the South Harmon Institute of Technology did you? If so you'd be a 'SHIThead' - all based on the film 'Acceptance' which is worth watching :)
21:07.44goibhniuhehe
21:14.19boudiccasgoibhniu; its available via torrent, thats how I got it :) And its not meant as an insult :)
21:15.55morsingMmm... Money
21:16.54boudiccasmorsing; you smell it or taste it?
21:16.59failurehi, i was on the phone
21:17.03failureyes i can speak :P
21:17.48morsingboudiccas: It's flowing in as we speak
21:17.58morsingfailure!
21:18.11boudiccasmorsing; lol
21:20.39mozratmy goodness!!
21:20.47mozratfailure has a voice!
21:21.11mozratsecretlondon: faulty wiring?
21:21.23secretlondonmozrat: probably
21:21.37boudiccassecretlondon; now has an afro hairstyle! :)
21:41.27morsingHow do I get £ to work in Pine?
21:43.18morsingIf I start up Mutt will it mess up my mail spool or folders?
21:44.07morsingboudiccas?
21:45.09wethrinYou need the correct character set
21:45.35morsingwethrin: How?
21:45.47wethrinDon't know. I use mutt
21:46.06morsingboudiccas?
21:46.16morsingIf I start up Mutt will it mess up my mail spool or folders?
21:48.19morsingm
21:51.33morsingwethrin: How do I tell Mutt to never move messages to mbox?
21:52.05wethrinUmm.....
21:52.40wethrinset move=no
21:52.44wethrinLook at .muttrc
21:52.59morsingwethrin: And how come the two latest emails in Mutt are from Dec when they don't even show up in Pine?
21:53.40wethrinSorting order?
21:53.45morsingI don't have a .muttrc
21:53.52morsingwethrin: Nope - set it to Date
21:54.49wethrinCreate one :)
21:54.53morsingWill .muttrc add /etc/Muttrc?
21:55.05morsingOr overwrite?
21:55.13wethrinI think so. Or just edit /etc/Muttrc if you're the only one using it
21:55.22morsingI'm not
21:56.30morsingwethrin: What do you sort by?
21:57.41wethrinThread
21:58.05morsingWhy?
21:58.07wethrinI think .muttrc will only override the settings from /etc/Muttrc
21:58.13wethrinBecause I like threads
21:58.17morsingwethrin: How do I set the maildir?
21:58.23morsingWith beer?
21:58.28wethrinmutt -f Maildir/
21:59.13boudiccasmorsing; yes, you rang? :)
21:59.50morsingwethrin: In .muttrc?
22:01.34boudiccasmozrat; you about please?
22:02.34morsingwethrin: If I sort by thread nothing changes?
22:03.18morsingwethrin: If I say mutt -f mail it says "mail is not a mailbox"
22:03.45wethrinNo, you need to append the / if it's a maildir
22:03.55wethrinmorsing: No, from the command line
22:04.15morsingIt still says "/home/morsing/Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no):" everytime I start it...
22:04.43boudiccastry putting ~ before /hom/etc
22:04.44wethrinAhh. What does: "echo $MAIL" say?
22:04.53wethrinor $MAILDIR
22:04.55boudiccas*hom=home
22:04.58*** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@210.245.153.200)
22:05.16boudiccasmorning Leeds :)
22:05.29wethrinYou may need to reset the appropriate environment vbariables
22:06.44morsingmorsing@emil:~$ echo $MAIL
22:06.44morsing/var/mail/morsing
22:06.56morsingwethrin: I think we're talking about two different things
22:07.08morsingAnd I still can't get it to sort by thread
22:07.15morsingUnless I don't have threads
22:08.16boudiccasmorsing; then you're thread-bare
22:08.20boudiccas:)))))
22:08.53wethrinmorsing: 'ot' will sort by threads (within mutt)
22:09.47morsingwethrin: Does nothing
22:09.54wethrinAh. You need to 'set mbox' in .muttrc
22:10.48morsingSorry, it does actually try to sort, it's just not very good at it
22:11.31morsingwethrin: What does that do? Hopefully not create ~/mbox?
22:12.07wethrinset mbox="~/Maildir"
22:12.10wethrinset mbox_type=Maildir
22:12.18morsingwethrin: And what does that do?
22:12.27wethrinThat's what I've got
22:12.36morsingwethrin: Yes but I can't use that
22:12.41wethrinWhy not?
22:12.43morsingIT would mess up all my mails
22:13.01wethrinHow so?
22:13.32morsingBecause the way I do it, my inbox it a mailbox /var/spool/mail/morsing and the directory ~/mail has folders in it that procmail uses
22:13.39morsings/folders/mboxes/
22:14.05wethrinOkay, so:
22:14.13wethrinset mbox="/var/spool/mail/morsing"
22:14.23wethrinset mbox_type=mbox
22:14.35wethrinShould do the trick
22:15.31morsing/home/morsing/Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no):
22:15.33morsing*sigh*
22:16.12wethrinYou've put the settings I suggested into .muttrc ?
22:16.13morsingAlso the TERM settings are messed up
22:16.17morsingwethrin: Yes
22:16.23wethrinHm
22:16.29morsingIt can't handle my terminal
22:16.46morsingLooks weird although it worked the first 5 times
22:17.22morsingAnyway... Bedtime
22:17.24morsingG'night
22:17.45secretlondonnight morsing
22:18.31wethrinexport TERM=vt100
22:18.36wethrinnight morsing
22:28.56secretlondonjalfrezi
22:29.01wethrinMmm....curry
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23:03.56trousers_laptopHowdy
23:04.08secretlondonhi
23:04.53trousers_laptopMm, I wrote a little bash script to output wifi networks to a file and watch tail'ed it whilst my dad was driving me to a friend's house
23:05.11trousers_laptopThere are an incredible number of (esp. unsecurd) wifi networks around
23:05.51secretlondonI've left a stumbler prog running wth my wifi dongle outside the window and got ~15
23:06.04secretlondonbt and sky are giving away wifi routers
23:06.14trousers_laptopHopefully if (/when ;)) I get a new laptop for Christmas I can check the strngth of some WEP keys too
23:06.21trousers_laptopI saw some Sky routers
23:06.29trousers_laptopWhat stumbler software is there?
23:06.47secretlondontrousers_laptop:I've run kismet and it didn't find one weak crypto packet
23:07.00secretlondonkismet is the best but it's not stumbler as much
23:07.08trousers_laptopWhat does kismet do?
23:07.10secretlondonswscanner is a kde version of nutstumbler
23:07.18secretlondonkismet is a passive scanner
23:07.38trousers_laptopWill it work if my wifi dongle doesn't do monitor mode?
23:07.50secretlondonhttp://www.kismetwireless.net/
23:07.58secretlondonno
23:08.07trousers_laptop:(
23:08.25secretlondonwhich chipset does your dongle use?
23:08.54trousers_laptopErr... *Googles*
23:09.19trousers_laptopPrism3 methinks
23:10.14secretlondontrousers_laptop: http://www.kismetwireless.net/documentation.shtml lists all the ones it works with
23:10.36secretlondonyou may find you have a better driver out there
23:11.28trousers_laptopI've only found the Windows driver for my USB dongle and ndiswrapper'd it
23:11.39Leedspainful
23:11.55Leedsalso: morning all, far too early
23:12.28trousers_laptopTime?
23:12.28trousers_laptop5ish?
23:12.28secretlondonmorning leeds
23:12.29secretlondontrousers_laptop: you probably have a native linux driver..
23:12.35Leeds0710
23:12.43Leedsbut I've been awake for something like an hour
23:12.50trousers_laptopAh, sorry, clocks wrong way :P
23:15.22Leedsjust remember that Asia is the future :-)
23:19.22haliscary thought isn't it
23:19.45halii'm scared of most countries in Asia to be honest, they seem so barbaric ... all those samurais and stuff
23:21.51ErwinSamurais are gone from Japan however, an excellent historically documentary starring Tom Cruise showed me that.
23:22.09halii must have missed that
23:23.09halibut when you look at the Kashmir conflict, two quite prominent countries like india and pakistan should know better
23:23.25halithat part of the world is quite filled with unstable situations
23:25.30secretlondonhali: europe has been fighting over shit for centuries
23:26.06halisome parts of europe yes, but it's been pretty ok for the last 50 years
23:26.32secretlondonexclduing former yugoslavia, say
23:26.56haliborderline asia... but yes.. that was tragic
23:27.05haliim swedish though, we have a different view on things i think.. no wars since 1814
23:28.30murbhali: but not neutral either.
23:28.57haliofficially neutral, but not when things really go down
23:29.38haliwe aided both the allies during wwII, and let german supply lines go through sweden
23:30.32murbhali: by interning allied forces but not german forces?
23:33.22goibhniupoor twinklebum: http://www.twinklebum.co.uk/love.html ... might be some consolation to anyone going through a rough patch atm
23:35.33Leedsgoibhniu: lovely
23:36.35Leedshali: for the record... Hong Kong has a higher GDP per capita than the UK, in PPP terms, and is *much* more civilised in my experience
23:38.12goibhniupersonally I'm only biding my time until China takes over ... China rocks
23:39.29Leedswell, there's good and bad about China
23:39.36goibhniuwhen I saw an illegal copy of Windows 98 for sale for about £1 in the HK tourist office I knew that those folks really get it
23:39.43Leedsheh
23:40.49goibhniuthe only thing that worries me is that the next generation is going to consist entirely of spoilt brats
23:44.06goibhniuwhiskey?
23:45.38wethrinWhisky!
23:46.18Leedslittle emperors, yeah

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