| 00:00.33 | PinguKaos | it's late I know, but I would like to whip together a quick straw poll to pull me out of a time sink I cannot afford |
| 00:02.19 | PinguKaos | Q: good distro for somene > noob && < expert (mainly for development). Start your yawns now! |
| 00:03.22 | PinguKaos | been doing ots of installing and VMing of late and need to settle somewhere |
| 00:05.15 | z00dax | PinguKaos: CentOS |
| 00:07.46 | PinguKaos | thanks muchly, will take a look, not a distro I've looked at |
| 00:11.13 | z00dax | essentially its Redhat EnterpriseLinux, without the support |
| 00:11.41 | z00dax | built for people who are not awlays looking for the latest / greatest but stable and long life OS base to get on with things and actually focus on what they need to do, rather than the distro |
| 00:13.13 | rhowe | z00dax: Without the support? |
| 00:13.24 | rhowe | PinguKaos: z00dax is all the support you need! |
| 00:13.36 | z00dax | rhowe: you cant really get an SLA on CentOS, not yet anyay |
| 00:13.41 | z00dax | err :) |
| 00:13.42 | rhowe | PinguKaos: Want his mobile number? :) |
| 00:13.53 | PinguKaos | hehe |
| 00:14.08 | murb | z00dax: unless you are selling support? |
| 00:14.11 | z00dax | :D |
| 00:14.18 | murb | I'm sure you can get paid support for CentOS |
| 00:14.25 | murb | s/sure/know/ |
| 00:14.30 | rhowe | z00dax: Set up a £1.50/min premium rate support line :) |
| 00:14.54 | z00dax | murb: yes, there are some people who offer paid for support... I dont personally do so at this time, since i dont have (a) time and (b) the means to charge anyone |
| 00:15.11 | murb | z00dax: i fail to understand b |
| 00:15.25 | murb | writing invoices isn't difficult. |
| 00:15.25 | z00dax | rhowe: and keep people waiting for 20 min first with a 'all lines are busy, your call is important to us' |
| 00:15.31 | murb | nor is paying in cheques |
| 00:15.51 | z00dax | murb: my status in the UK does not allow me to have a second income beyond my primary employer |
| 00:16.00 | PinguKaos | I like the idea of witing in line on the phone, can't get enough of it, where do I sign? |
| 00:16.11 | z00dax | i could, invoice through someone else or even parasol, and somehow route that back to me |
| 00:16.12 | rhowe | z00dax: Indeed |
| 00:17.05 | rhowe | PinguKaos: Pick a major consumer ISP :) No end of waiting on the phone then :) |
| 00:17.14 | PinguKaos | yay! |
| 00:19.09 | z00dax | the best thing is when you call your isp with a problem and they say 'use our website instead' |
| 00:19.27 | rhowe | "send us an email!" |
| 00:19.54 | andrew___ | I reported an email problem by phone and the help desk replied by email. |
| 00:20.08 | andrew___ | Somehow I didnt get the reply til the problem "cured itself" |
| 00:20.39 | PinguKaos | forget about kernel panic, I'm in distro panic at the mo, I've been through three distros on this box in the last month, plus freeBSD on my other box, I have work to do, instead I play OS-Merry-Go-Round. I feel sick, I want to get off |
| 00:21.13 | andrew___ | DNS question - is it valid to send mail to xx@yy.yyy.yy where yy.yyy.yy has an MX record but no A record (I think I know the answer but checking). |
| 00:23.22 | z00dax | PinguKaos: what exactly is your 'work ' ? |
| 00:23.41 | z00dax | andrew___: yes, its fine for a domain to exist with no A |
| 00:24.27 | andrew___ | I have a suspicions that some over cautious (*) spam checker is insisting on checking for A record. |
| 00:24.53 | PinguKaos | I'm at UNI at the mo, studying Software Engineering (considering moving over to A.I) so mostly programming |
| 00:25.26 | PinguKaos | at the min, hence time sink probs, deadlines pending etc |
| 00:25.35 | PinguKaos | poor me...hehe |
| 00:25.48 | z00dax | andrew___: the MX record pointer for yy.yyy.yy itself will need an A but yy.yyy.yy should not |
| 00:26.01 | z00dax | PinguKaos: but programming what ? |
| 00:26.11 | PinguKaos | poor me meant with irony as I'm a mature student so I realise I'm not really working |
| 00:26.22 | z00dax | eg. if you need mono to run natively, CentOS might not be the best choice, but mono still works and runs fine |
| 00:27.21 | PinguKaos | Java with haskell, perl and others yet to come |
| 00:27.49 | PinguKaos | also messing around with python and assembler as a hobby |
| 00:28.03 | z00dax | java is no problem really, there are java rpms around in dev.centos.org |
| 00:28.41 | z00dax | PinguKaos: next question, what are the three distro's you've tried so far |
| 00:30.08 | PinguKaos | tried others in the past, but recently Ubuntu, Mandriva and SUSE |
| 00:31.30 | PinguKaos | Running Mandriva at the min in fact |
| 00:33.43 | PinguKaos | crikey, just seen the time, thanks for the help people, I'll take the plunge with CentOS, so long as it comes with make or ndiswrapper out of the box (Ubuntu...grrr) I'm happy |
| 00:34.10 | z00dax | ndiswrapper ? no. does not come with that |
| 00:34.21 | z00dax | but you can get it and install it |
| 00:34.29 | PinguKaos | don't mind so long as I can compile it...heh |
| 00:35.25 | PinguKaos | I installed edgy and could not compile it from source as make was not thee and I needed ndiswrapper for my network card |
| 00:35.40 | PinguKaos | snake....tail |
| 00:39.48 | PinguKaos | anyway, thanks anyway, put cent on to D/L g'night |
| 01:01.23 | z00dax | I have, amazingly, found a collection of nina simone music |
| 01:06.01 | Erwin | The "Very best of Nina Simone", "The Same Every Best of Nina Simone in a Different Package", "Even More Nina Simona" etc. ? I don't think there's another artist that has more re-packaged releases than her |
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| 01:06.50 | z00dax | Erwin: possible. |
| 01:07.05 | z00dax | i also seem to have some music ripped from lp |
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| 02:13.34 | morsing | 'morning |
| 02:13.43 | z00dax | morning |
| 02:15.41 | morsing | Quick - rebooting Solaris |
| 02:15.45 | morsing | Soemthing like |
| 02:15.53 | morsing | shutdown -i 6 -g 0 -y ? |
| 02:17.07 | z00dax | no clue, dont use solaris |
| 02:17.16 | z00dax | try #solaris |
| 02:17.54 | morsing | Ok, well - did it now, hoping it will come up again :) |
| 02:18.27 | z00dax | does the server not have a lightsout / pvo sort of managment interface ? |
| 02:18.30 | morsing | Ahh... cool: |
| 02:18.31 | morsing | http://www.unixguide.net/sun/x86faq/7.11.shtml |
| 02:18.36 | morsing | z00dax: No idea :) |
| 02:19.02 | z00dax | cool :) |
| 02:42.27 | morsing | Do you know aything about apache proxy servers? |
| 03:37.31 | morsing | Nice |
| 03:37.36 | morsing | ibot wake Leeds |
| 03:37.47 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Leeds and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 03:44.26 | morsing | g'night |
| 03:53.23 | morsing | Back |
| 03:53.26 | morsing | Disaster |
| 03:55.00 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 03:59.51 | Leeds | blah |
| 04:00.44 | Leeds | time to shower, and then go meet Maisie - who works just around the corner from where I'm living - for lunch |
| 04:04.28 | morsing | Mmm... Lunc |
| 04:04.31 | morsing | Lunch |
| 04:04.36 | morsing | How is she? |
| 04:18.56 | Leeds | tasty... |
| 04:19.02 | Leeds | oh, you mean Maisie? |
| 04:20.53 | morsing | Yes |
| 04:24.49 | Leeds | I'll let you know later... |
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| 06:06.36 | Cope | moin |
| 06:44.17 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 06:50.28 | Cope | hello Leeds |
| 06:50.37 | Leeds | how are you? |
| 06:52.43 | Leeds | how has Wednesday been treating you so far? |
| 06:52.53 | Cope | pretty good - first time in ages i've woken and felt ok |
| 06:53.08 | Cope | i mean physically - as in not tired / ill / grotty |
| 06:53.19 | Leeds | yeah, I know what you mean - good stuff :-) |
| 06:53.39 | Leeds | sometimes you get a night's sleep which really hits the target |
| 06:54.01 | Cope | yes - i only slept fpr about 5 hrs, but it was good sleep |
| 06:55.35 | Leeds | I've just had an air-clearing lunch, which has improved my mood... notwithstanding accidentally eating a piece of pork |
| 06:57.36 | Cope | i'm not really settled just yet - trying to wake helena up with tea and warm clothes, but keeping an eye on log files and ddecding what to do first |
| 06:58.17 | Leeds | I ordered spagetti with a creamy tomato sauce, which came with lumps of *something*... ended up calling over the manager to ask what it was, and then why it didn't say pork on the menu (at least in English)... he gave me/us a couple of pieces of tiramisu to make up for it :-) |
| 06:58.34 | Cope | you nw have MPD? |
| 06:59.40 | Leeds | MPD? |
| 06:59.51 | Cope | multple personailty distoredr |
| 07:00.07 | Leeds | I was having lunch with a friend, but she didn't want any tiramisu |
| 07:00.08 | Cope | but typed without cold fingers at a silly nagle on a terminal with 50ms lag |
| 07:00.22 | Leeds | yes, those nagles'll kill you |
| 07:01.12 | Leeds | the weather has turned here too - chucked it down while we were eating, and is drizzling now |
| 07:01.51 | Leeds | if it stays like this, I might have to dig out my light summer jacket! |
| 07:01.56 | Cope | heh |
| 07:02.27 | Leeds | and, of course, my brolly |
| 07:36.34 | morsing | Cope! |
| 07:37.26 | Cope | woo morsing |
| 07:42.12 | Leeds | you *know* when you've been asparagus-ed |
| 07:42.41 | morsing | Nice |
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| 08:16.54 | gregj | any ideas on why iptables doesn't count packets ? |
| 08:16.56 | gregj | at least heare |
| 08:16.57 | gregj | here |
| 08:19.03 | CopeUK | it's drunk? |
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| 08:26.34 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 08:26.44 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 08:26.54 | morsing | SlayerXP: any ideas on why iptables doesn't count packets ? |
| 08:27.12 | SlayerXP | i didn't realise ip tables did |
| 08:27.19 | morsing | So, there! |
| 08:28.33 | SlayerXP | iptables -L -v -x |
| 08:28.38 | SlayerXP | that shows packet counts for me |
| 08:30.04 | murb | gregj: are you trying to use iptables for bw accounting? |
| 08:32.29 | serr_slack | hi all |
| 08:34.20 | gregj | yeah, ok I go ot it working |
| 08:34.29 | gregj | now I get errors on : /sbin/tc class add dev eth0.229 parent 1:1998 classid 1:1999 htb rate kbit burst 1kbit |
| 08:34.56 | gregj | it looks ok to me, so I am stuck here |
| 08:48.54 | morsing | serr_slack! |
| 08:49.07 | serr_slack | hi morsing ! |
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| 09:54.54 | morsing | Leeds: How was lunch? |
| 09:55.41 | serr_slack | Woohoo I just got 16 quid from one of those national loterry scratch off cards |
| 09:57.04 | sabinef72 | hello all |
| 09:57.10 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 09:57.16 | morsing | sabinef72: Thanks |
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| 10:22.09 | morsing | goibhniu: |
| 10:22.34 | goibhniu | hey morsing |
| 10:24.15 | Leeds | serr_slack: cool - drinks are on you then! |
| 10:24.49 | Leeds | morsing: uh, we discussed lunch... |
| 10:30.39 | morsing | Right... |
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| 10:49.05 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 10:49.19 | catalyst | god I'm lonely |
| 10:49.21 | catalyst | I mean hi |
| 10:51.14 | morsing | catalyst: Me too |
| 10:51.17 | Leeds | evening catalyst |
| 10:51.29 | catalyst | I got drunk last night |
| 10:51.38 | morsing | Nice |
| 10:51.39 | catalyst | it was a bad idea |
| 10:53.24 | z00dax | mornings |
| 10:54.14 | keithlard_ | howdy |
| 11:04.42 | goibhniu | anyone ever heard of a podcast client that can convert m4v and mov files to mp3? |
| 11:05.23 | goibhniu | I was going to add something to bashpodder but it doesn't seem to be able to handle the feed I want at all |
| 11:05.33 | keithlard_ | you could probably shell out to mplayer |
| 11:05.39 | Leeds | m4v and mov are going to be video files, so are you talking about stripping the audio stream? |
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| 11:05.49 | goibhniu | Leeds: yep |
| 11:05.54 | keithlard_ | it's easy to strip out the soundtrack, but i forget the exact switch |
| 11:05.59 | Leeds | -dumpaudio |
| 11:06.08 | keithlard_ | thank you :> |
| 11:06.08 | CopeUK | hello keithlard |
| 11:06.10 | Leeds | with -dumpfile to set the filename |
| 11:06.12 | goibhniu | too easy! cheers! |
| 11:06.13 | keithlard_ | copeuk! |
| 11:06.26 | Leeds | of course, that won't help if the audio stream isn't mp3, as there's a good chance it'd be aac |
| 11:07.10 | goibhniu | ahh ... hmm |
| 11:07.14 | keithlard_ | next question, how to transcode aac into mp3 ;D |
| 11:07.35 | Leeds | you can parse the output of -identify to find out what the format is... |
| 11:07.54 | Leeds | CopeUK: never could get the hang of Wednesday? |
| 11:08.13 | keithlard_ | http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_aac/mp4_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux |
| 11:08.13 | Leeds | keithlard_: one thing mplayer is *not* good at is manipulating audio without video |
| 11:08.35 | Leeds | mencoder will not write out an mp3 file, for example |
| 11:08.44 | CopeUK | lazy tyke |
| 11:08.55 | keithlard_ | yes i guess you need to change it to wav first and then encode it with lame or oggenc |
| 11:09.16 | keithlard_ | there's a script on that page that handles various formats |
| 11:09.35 | goibhniu | keithlard you legend .. thanks a million |
| 11:09.59 | Leeds | multipass is easy enough |
| 11:10.27 | Leeds | goibhniu: the standard disclaimer applies, of course: transcoding is a bad thing, because you end up with two sets of compression artifacts |
| 11:10.51 | keithlard_ | i think if you're listening on a pod-type device, you're probably not worried about super quality |
| 11:11.04 | goibhniu | hmm .. maybe I should normalise it on the way too :D |
| 11:11.23 | goibhniu | I don't care about the quality ... as long as I can make out the words |
| 11:11.38 | Leeds | normalising wouldn't be a bad idea while you're at it |
| 11:12.14 | goibhniu | it's for this one http://comlounge.tv/blog ... the content is great and the videos are very nice too ... but it just isn't going to work on a bike |
| 11:12.17 | keithlard_ | cope> come and keep us company in #lrug |
| 11:14.07 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:14.25 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 11:14.47 | Leeds | goibhniu: what are you listening on? |
| 11:15.10 | goibhniu | a piece of shit usb thing |
| 11:15.39 | goibhniu | I'm temted to get something to run rockbox on e.g. a H10 but it doesn't seem quite there yet |
| 11:17.04 | goibhniu | my player is actually supposed to support mp4 ... but I couldn't get it working |
| 11:17.39 | goibhniu | you can get a 6GB iriver H10 for ~£70 iirc |
| 11:18.51 | goibhniu | I heard a great thing this morning .. a microsoft marketer trying to explain what web 2.0 is ... tehe |
| 11:19.03 | wethrin | web 2.0 isn't anything |
| 11:19.30 | morsing | wethrin: Beer? |
| 11:19.49 | wethrin | Maybe later |
| 11:20.00 | goibhniu | it's a fluffy marketing term ... but boy was he struggling to explain how MS was a major part in it |
| 11:20.24 | Leeds | rockbox is actually pretty good |
| 11:20.49 | goibhniu | really? I heard it sucks battery life ... not that it puts me off though |
| 11:21.11 | goibhniu | I'd rather slit my wrists than be seen with an ipod though |
| 11:21.31 | wethrin | Why? iPods rock :) Except when their battery life runs out |
| 11:21.52 | murb | wethrin: then they become like rocks? |
| 11:21.56 | Leeds | my reasonably limited experience shows about 7.5 hours on a couple-year-old H320, with a bit of game playing and messing around throw in |
| 11:22.50 | CopeUK | j #lrug |
| 11:22.52 | CopeUK | gah |
| 11:22.53 | goibhniu | cool! |
| 11:23.26 | Leeds | dunno if that's good or bad, since I didn't really use it with the 'native' software |
| 11:23.50 | goibhniu | I do love the tinyness of my usb thing though ... and the fact that I never have to worry about battery life ... I plug it in and it charges while it downloads |
| 11:24.09 | Leeds | that's playing a mixture of mp3, ogg and m4a files, with it set to bring the backlight on when I hit a button, for a few seconds, and for the last 15 seconds and first 15 of a song |
| 11:24.32 | goibhniu | that sounds pretty decent to me |
| 11:24.41 | Leeds | I use my treo as a portable player nowadays - the ipod/rockbox/whatever is for listening at home, mainly in the shower :-) |
| 11:24.58 | wethrin | murb: yes |
| 11:25.56 | goibhniu | I could use my zaurus ... but I love it too much ... I like having an mp3 player that I can drop on the ground |
| 11:27.01 | goibhniu | actually waterproofing is the main concern |
| 11:27.12 | Leeds | my Treo is my phone... I have it with me anyway... and with a BT headset, I don't need to be holding it or for it to be in view or even out of my pocket |
| 11:29.06 | z00dax | keithlard_: a bit better |
| 11:29.13 | keithlard_ | huzzah! |
| 11:29.28 | z00dax | CopeUK: the proxy / yum issnt has roots in puthon-urlgrabber... |
| 11:29.29 | CopeUK | hello z00dax |
| 11:29.41 | CopeUK | urlgarbler? |
| 11:29.43 | z00dax | CopeUK: if you prefer apt, http://apt-rpm.org/ works on centos-4 |
| 11:30.19 | CopeUK | did you see my follow-up? |
| 11:30.24 | z00dax | not sure how well it works through a proxy, but it does not use byterange, so a http 1.0 proxy will be fine |
| 11:30.31 | CopeUK | installing centos 3 version works |
| 11:30.41 | z00dax | yum-2.0.x ? |
| 11:30.49 | CopeUK | and then ensuring there is an exclude-yum* in yum.conf |
| 11:30.54 | z00dax | man, thats sooooooooo slow... it uses individual headers.. |
| 11:31.08 | z00dax | you're better off using up2date on centos-4 instead :) |
| 11:31.34 | keithlard_ | i still haven't figured out how to have yum install a huge long list of packages without printing out loads of useless messages to the screen |
| 11:31.50 | z00dax | keithlard_: -d0 |
| 11:31.58 | keithlard_ | ooh |
| 11:32.03 | CopeUK | yum-2.0.8-2.centos3 |
| 11:32.04 | wethrin | keithlard_: > /dev/null |
| 11:32.30 | keithlard_ | i could specify -y so it doesn't have to ask you if you want to install the packages |
| 11:32.32 | CopeUK | z00dax: I thought centos up2date was just a front-end to yum? |
| 11:33.01 | z00dax | CopeUK: no, its got its own mechanism, it does use its on embedded yum bits |
| 11:33.13 | z00dax | which are from yum-2.0 |
| 11:34.13 | z00dax | freenode just told me that i am on too many channels... |
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| 11:35.34 | CopeUK | acquire proxy or some such setting on debian |
| 11:35.39 | CopeUK | I imagine it is similar here |
| 11:35.50 | z00dax | CopeUK: this new apt-rpm.org apt uses yum's repositories... |
| 11:36.06 | z00dax | ( but you still need to set them up in the sources file ) |
| 11:36.42 | CopeUK | seems there's a default one there |
| 11:36.56 | CopeUK | wizzo |
| 11:41.12 | keithlard_ | oh fish-hooks! look out you chaps it's old wilkie! |
| 11:41.39 | CopeUK | less than 3 hrs till the escort auction ends |
| 11:41.44 | keithlard_ | ooh |
| 11:42.11 | CopeUK | fancy putting in a bid to make it reach the reserve? I promise not to force you to buy it! |
| 11:42.23 | z00dax | CopeUK: url ? |
| 11:42.29 | SlayerXP | CopeUK: I will if he won't :) |
| 11:42.44 | CopeUK | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120050826155&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 11:43.27 | CopeUK | reserve is 250 and it is at about 202 atm |
| 11:43.40 | keithlard_ | it would be quite good if jennings was updated for the comprehensive school era. "Jumping jellyfish," cried Venables, "Matron's on an ASBO for selling crack behind the bike sheds!" |
| 11:44.31 | CopeUK | z00dax: on a "minimal" install what deps does apt have? could I just obtain the rpm? |
| 11:45.23 | z00dax | CopeUK: dag has rpms's if you have his repo enabled, you can yum(!) install it |
| 11:45.38 | z00dax | i can quickly test and let you know what else it might need |
| 11:45.46 | z00dax | since its written in 'c' i dont think there would be a lot |
| 11:49.08 | z00dax | CopeUK: nothing, just itself. http://dag.wieers.com/packages/apt/?M=D |
| 11:53.20 | CopeUK | sweet |
| 11:57.18 | SlayerXP | CopeUK: I am the highest bidder |
| 11:57.42 | CopeUK | thanks |
| 11:57.48 | CopeUK | :) |
| 12:12.04 | goibhniu | anyone into short films? http://www.resfest.co.uk/schedule.php |
| 12:13.28 | Erwin | Hmm, apparently the crime in my area has gotten so bad (2 muggings in 4 days) that there are 2 security guards from my developer's company now stationed on the way between our building and the DLR. |
| 12:14.06 | z00dax | Erwin: what area ? |
| 12:14.12 | murb | Erwin: cool, will you pay less council tax? |
| 12:15.11 | CopeUK | erwin: mudchute or some such area? |
| 12:15.17 | Erwin | z00dax: It's the underpass between blackwall DLR and the Isle. Apparently evening muggings have happened several times. |
| 12:15.32 | CopeUK | oh I know it very well |
| 12:20.50 | antiphase | It's shit round there |
| 12:20.50 | Erwin | And now that they're finishing the 30-story tower, they want to build another 44-story one |
| 12:20.50 | CopeUK | not really; there are some lovely areas very close; two decent pubs; sure there are some rough bits too, but that's what happens when you build new stuff on top of old. |
| 12:20.50 | z00dax | i spent sometime in that area - well, docklands. |
| 12:20.50 | z00dax | cant say i left happy, but the place had nothing to do with it - the place was quite nice mostly. |
| 12:20.51 | CopeUK | SlayerXP knows it well too,. |
| 12:20.51 | z00dax | this is not going to be fun |
| 12:20.51 | SlayerXP | sure do |
| 12:20.51 | keithlard_ | shriek |
| 12:28.31 | antiphase | I need to find the fuckhead that thought of greylisting |
| 12:28.43 | antiphase | So I can kill them in the face without prejudice |
| 12:29.11 | z00dax | antiphase: yes, and only in the face, keep the rest of 'em alive |
| 12:29.48 | Erwin | Uh oh. We just implemented it on our servers yesterday :-) |
| 12:30.10 | antiphase | *hate* |
| 12:30.45 | z00dax | the psira botnet already handles greylisting servers fine |
| 12:31.04 | z00dax | give it another few months and most of them will start working with greylisting / retry mechanisms |
| 12:32.43 | antiphase | That's why it's a mere irritation rather than a useful method |
| 12:33.58 | SlayerXP | greylisting is very effective |
| 12:34.49 | Erwin | Well, I see loads of spam being turned away. Spambots firing away RCPT commands without checking results. |
| 12:35.13 | SlayerXP | we clean out about 10,000 dead greylist entires per day right now |
| 12:35.37 | antiphase | Effective != a good idea |
| 12:35.54 | antiphase | Greylisting needs to join the graveyard of internet mail, next to sendmail, qmail and uucp |
| 12:36.03 | SlayerXP | oh? why's that? |
| 12:36.24 | antiphase | Because it's symptomatic relief rather than a decent solution |
| 12:36.37 | SlayerXP | err no |
| 12:36.48 | SlayerXP | it kills the vast majority of spam |
| 12:36.53 | antiphase | For the time being |
| 12:36.58 | murb | antiphase: it used to work better than it does now. |
| 12:37.09 | murb | I don't use it. |
| 12:37.18 | antiphase | Sender verification and DNS blacklists kill a huge quantity of spam without introducing delays |
| 12:37.20 | SlayerXP | but it's only one part of an antispam system |
| 12:37.21 | murb | Actually i think i do on one system. |
| 12:37.34 | murb | but only for emails that SA things are a bit spammy. |
| 12:37.44 | murb | s/things/thinks/ |
| 12:37.49 | murb | which works quite well. |
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| 12:58.50 | morsing | Sausages |
| 12:59.52 | murb | in the wurst case. |
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| 13:16.50 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 13:18.17 | CopeUK | z00dax - do you have a sec? |
| 13:24.12 | rhowe | hm, fujitsu-siemens laptop datasheets are suprisingly good |
| 13:24.20 | rhowe | They list the actual chipsets used for the various features |
| 13:24.20 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:25.55 | rhowe | "built in 10/100/1000 Mbps Marvell 88E8055, Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 a/b/g or Atheros Minicard b/g depending on country-specific regulations" etc |
| 13:26.15 | rhowe | heh, they even list the sound chip, a "RealTek ALC262" |
| 13:30.42 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 13:30.47 | morsing | rhowe: How's Kevin? |
| 13:31.50 | rhowe | morsing: I'm ignoring you because Kevin's ill, and things are pretty busy here :) |
| 13:32.14 | rhowe | morsing: Lots of things to set up, lots of new kit arriving, which means more things to set up, plus dev work |
| 13:40.40 | morsing | Nice |
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| 14:23.47 | failure | hello |
| 14:25.31 | CopeUK | hello |
| 14:37.21 | sabinef72 | Leeds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:37.28 | sabinef72 | wake up Leeds |
| 14:41.23 | catalyst | that's quite a job |
| 14:41.30 | catalyst | you'd have to bomb it or something to get everyone up |
| 14:41.43 | catalyst | how's everyone doing? |
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| 14:44.32 | Leeds | sabinef72: ugh, what? |
| 14:45.31 | Leeds | I was taking a nap! |
| 14:47.11 | Leeds | bah... she wakes me up, then vanishes... |
| 14:50.14 | sabinef72 | Leeds: I have your postcard !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:50.29 | sabinef72 | the postcard is really beautiful |
| 14:51.42 | Leeds | ah, it came! :-) |
| 14:52.01 | sabinef72 | yes finally |
| 14:52.26 | sabinef72 | I consider it like a birthday present |
| 14:52.34 | Leeds | when is your birthday? |
| 14:53.02 | sabinef72 | yesterday |
| 14:53.09 | Leeds | anyway, I should still send you the other one as well... |
| 14:53.22 | Leeds | wow - did we know it was your b'day yesterday? did I miss the party? |
| 14:53.47 | sabinef72 | not sure someone knew |
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| 14:58.38 | CopeUK | rar! vehicle sold! |
| 14:58.53 | z00dax | to SlayerXP ? |
| 14:59.12 | CopeUK | nope... to a man in southampton |
| 14:59.25 | Leeds | in a somewhat strange archive format often used for distributing movies/tv shows on usenet? |
| 14:59.31 | Leeds | sabinef72: so, did you have a party then? |
| 14:59.52 | sabinef72 | not really |
| 14:59.59 | sabinef72 | a good cake yesterday night |
| 15:00.04 | sabinef72 | and presents |
| 15:00.10 | z00dax | CopeUK: howse your yummage / aptage getting along ? |
| 15:00.19 | Leeds | yay :-) |
| 15:00.38 | CopeUK | oh well; I got apt to work ok; and up2date; yum is still flakey. |
| 15:00.42 | CopeUK | but dag has been telling me about yam |
| 15:00.45 | CopeUK | which seems super |
| 15:00.53 | sabinef72 | Leeds: and today an incredible card |
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| 15:01.38 | Leeds | heh :-) |
| 15:02.13 | Leeds | sabinef72: there was actually a postcard on the wall of the cafe where I was sitting having a coffee that afternoon which had a better view of the island, but I didn't see it in the shops |
| 15:02.43 | sabinef72 | arg |
| 15:02.46 | sabinef72 | :-( |
| 15:03.11 | z00dax | CopeUK: yeah yam works well |
| 15:03.23 | z00dax | CopeUK: i run my own mirrors in here anyway, so dont need something like that |
| 15:06.09 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.09 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.14 | z00dax | :) |
| 15:08.00 | CopeUK | wonderful |
| 15:27.06 | rhowe | http://www.solentwaters.co.uk/Video Chest/Ship Collision.swf |
| 15:37.16 | z00dax | http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/not_really_into_pokemon.png |
| 15:37.32 | morsing | sabinef72: Did you get Leeds' card? |
| 15:39.10 | SlayerXP | Stromblad |
| 15:39.13 | SlayerXP | however you spell it |
| 15:42.04 | Leeds | morsing: yes she did |
| 15:49.27 | morsing | Is she happy? |
| 15:49.35 | Leeds | apparently |
| 15:49.56 | Leeds | took its bloody time getting there though... |
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| 16:06.41 | Leeds | morning deep-blue |
| 16:06.48 | deep-blue | evening leeds |
| 16:08.33 | morsing | deep-blue/mozrat |
| 16:09.03 | Leeds | deep-blue is mozrat? |
| 16:09.07 | morsing | Yes |
| 16:09.12 | morsing | silenceisdefeat.org |
| 16:09.24 | Leeds | I thought silenceisdefeat was a semi-public host |
| 16:09.33 | morsing | It's not |
| 16:09.36 | morsing | Mozzie owns it |
| 16:10.19 | Leeds | that's not what the whois says |
| 16:10.23 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:10.49 | morsing | Have you ever seen mozrat and deep-blue here at the same time? |
| 16:11.13 | Leeds | I don't think I've ever seen deep-blue here at all... |
| 16:11.16 | Leeds | deep-blue: are you mozrat? |
| 16:11.27 | morsing | deep-blue has been coming here for a while |
| 16:11.38 | deep-blue | huh |
| 16:11.48 | deep-blue | it is a semi public shell server |
| 16:11.53 | deep-blue | im not mozrrat |
| 16:11.54 | morsing | Is it? |
| 16:11.58 | Leeds | deep-blue: why not? |
| 16:12.04 | morsing | deep-blue: But you want to be? |
| 16:12.17 | Leeds | deep-blue: are you any good at chess? |
| 16:12.20 | deep-blue | nope, ive had this account for a couple of years |
| 16:12.29 | morsing | deep-blue: Do yo uhave a beard? |
| 16:12.29 | deep-blue | Leeds: hehe only against russians |
| 16:12.34 | deep-blue | nope |
| 16:12.48 | Leeds | morsing: he's not a proper geek without a beard |
| 16:13.01 | deep-blue | i work in the public sector |
| 16:13.18 | deep-blue | i need to be "smart" and my boss reckons beards arent |
| 16:14.06 | Leeds | so you're personally responsible for the decline of the NHS then... interesting |
| 16:14.08 | morsing | SlayerXP = Blapto can't be disputed though |
| 16:14.17 | morsing | Leeds: So is evil Dave |
| 16:14.33 | deep-blue | Leeds: lol heck no |
| 16:14.37 | Leeds | I don't really know evil Dave |
| 16:15.24 | Leeds | deep-blue: so how has your Wednesday been? what are you up to? how do you feel the corruption scandal in Taiwan will effect long term Asian growth scenarios? When coupled with the ongoing semi-stability in Thailand? |
| 16:15.37 | deep-blue | working, brb >< |
| 16:15.40 | deep-blue | bloody customers |
| 16:43.28 | sabinef72 | <morsing> sabinef72: Did you get Leeds' card? <---------- YES ! |
| 16:46.17 | morsing | :) |
| 16:46.50 | z00dax | sabinef72: a belated happy birthday |
| 16:47.07 | morsing | sabinef72: Happy birthday :) |
| 16:47.15 | sabinef72 | thank you all |
| 16:47.30 | z00dax | wants! |
| 16:47.39 | sabinef72 | we will celabrate my birthday the 25th in this case |
| 16:47.43 | sabinef72 | hannnnn |
| 16:48.17 | Leeds | sabinef72: I was given two pieces - well, to me and the friend I was having lunch with - today, after the restaurant gave me pasta with pork, which wasn't mentioned on the menu |
| 16:49.49 | sabinef72 | ahhh |
| 16:50.05 | z00dax | that...is..not..nice.. |
| 16:50.40 | Leeds | it was listed as having a tomato/cream/onion/herb sauce |
| 16:50.51 | Gunde | sabinef72: Do you have any wishes concerning birthday presents then? |
| 16:51.11 | Leeds | had a bite of something which felt... meaty... called the waiter over, who called the manager over, who confirmed that it had pork and that the menu was wrong |
| 16:51.26 | z00dax | Gunde: I would like the winning lottery ticket for the next draw please |
| 16:51.29 | z00dax | for my birthday |
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| 16:51.44 | sabinef72 | Gunde: postcards are perfect |
| 16:52.13 | sabinef72 | Gunde: where are you living ? |
| 16:53.31 | Gunde | Cambridge still. I meant rather when you come to London. |
| 16:54.35 | morsing | Leeds: What did you do? |
| 16:54.40 | sabinef72 | Gunde: nothing |
| 16:55.06 | Leeds | morsing: I got a veggie pasta, continued my in-depth and air-clearing chat with Maisie, then brought home the tiramisu the manager gave us to apologise |
| 16:58.20 | Leeds | ooh, firefox went bang |
| 16:58.33 | Leeds | I've only got three windows with about 40 tabs open in each - why won't it stay up? |
| 16:59.32 | rhowe | Leeds: You're mistaking Firefox for quality software :) |
| 17:00.23 | Leeds | possibly true |
| 17:02.50 | Leeds | it's also possible that 1am isn't the right time for cheesecake and tea, but what the hell... |
| 17:09.39 | Leeds | nah, I've got flashblock for that |
| 17:11.02 | goibhniu | firefox 2 is boring ... I'm eagerly anticipating v 3 |
| 17:19.50 | goibhniu | coffee |
| 17:21.05 | Leeds | tea |
| 17:21.24 | Leeds | hot green or iced lemon |
| 17:22.22 | Leeds | http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=52699 |
| 17:23.46 | goibhniu | good one Leeds ... if they don't hire you they suck ... officially |
| 17:24.20 | Leeds | thanks :-) |
| 17:26.11 | goibhniu | should be a fun interview ... just remember manholes aren't round any more |
| 17:26.43 | wethrin | your nose is Google? |
| 17:26.52 | Leeds | manholes aren't round any more? |
| 17:27.03 | goibhniu | haven't you noticed? |
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| 17:27.13 | goibhniu | I've been waiting for that question in an interview for ages |
| 17:27.37 | goibhniu | it's one of the questions they're supposed to ask in interviews |
| 17:27.47 | Leeds | huh? |
| 17:27.48 | goibhniu | like if you were a beverage what would you be? |
| 17:28.25 | goibhniu | I was asked "so tell me about yourself" in an interview once .... naturally I burst out in fit of laughter |
| 17:28.49 | Leeds | I remember being asked something like "Tell me a challenge you've faced in your life and how you overcame it" |
| 17:29.00 | wethrin | "I used a bigger hammer" |
| 17:29.42 | goibhniu | there's that microsoft book of interview questions ... takes all the fun out of it |
| 17:29.42 | Leeds | that was at SCO... the HR woman scared the shit out of me, because I'd had two fun techie interviews before that, and she was dead serious... remained in awe of her after I started, until she woke me up at 3am to get a spider out of her bed - we were in a company house at the time |
| 17:30.29 | Leeds | she was a temporary cover for someone off on maternity leave, and new starters were given a month in the company house when we started to give us time to find somewhere of our own |
| 17:30.51 | wethrin | Was it anythign like a Big Brother house? |
| 17:31.07 | Leeds | not immensely |
| 17:31.23 | Leeds | good location, actually, a few minutes walk from Watford town centre |
| 17:31.57 | Leeds | okay, now I'm getting nervous over my cover letter... |
| 17:32.44 | goibhniu | just weave the grateful dead into it somewhere ... it'll be fine |
| 17:32.59 | Leeds | heh |
| 17:33.42 | Leeds | fuck it, it's done |
| 17:33.53 | Leeds | sent from gmail, for slight bonus arse-licking :-) |
| 17:35.05 | goibhniu | I bet you're already setting aside your 20% personal project time |
| 17:35.37 | Leeds | heh... we were actually offered something similar at Sun at one point |
| 17:38.45 | Leeds | hmm... Israel is the only place on Google's international jobs list which offers to list jobs in English or in the native language |
| 17:39.25 | psnl | requirement? |
| 17:40.12 | Leeds | I suspect it's because there are enough technical people in Israel whose first language is English that it's worth their while |
| 17:40.36 | Leeds | they're also, apparently, offering positions for Hebrew-speakers in Ireland ;-) |
| 17:42.14 | Leeds | hmm... interesting to see that the job I just applied for is also listed as being available in London - I think that probably means it's pretty much a location-independent position, which is a good thing, because my lack of Chinese could be an issue for a China/Hong-Kong specific job |
| 17:45.21 | Leeds | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/B1_Pictures is interesting |
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| 17:48.35 | eyore | http://www.viralvideochart.com/scanningengine <- funky new page |
| 17:49.38 | eyore | damn is no one here? |
| 17:50.14 | keithlard_ | nobody here but us chickens |
| 17:50.25 | eyore | oohps wrong channel |
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| 18:09.13 | boudiccas | z00dax; ooh! lots of shiny new updates! :)))) |
| 18:10.17 | z00dax | boudiccas: update! update! |
| 18:11.23 | boudiccas | z00dax; doing it as we talk :) |
| 18:11.31 | Leeds | heh, Zune review summary: "It's a Microsoft product (in the vernacular sense) through and through." |
| 18:18.32 | Leeds | night all... |
| 18:18.55 | Leeds | dammit - no job offer from Google yet! |
| 18:19.32 | murb | Leeds: i thought the google hiring process was anything but quick. |
| 18:19.38 | Leeds | yeah, it is |
| 18:19.51 | murb | you'd be better off applying for a job with GCHQ |
| 18:20.03 | murb | although you are probably inelligable for that now. |
| 18:20.09 | Leeds | also, when you apply for a job in Hong Kong at 1am HK time, I think it's fair to not expect anything at all except something automated until at least the morning :-) |
| 18:21.55 | cpufreak | Leeds: are you Mike Corley? |
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| 18:28.22 | Leeds | not that I'm aware of |
| 18:28.24 | Leeds | I never have been in the past... |
| 18:34.43 | goibhniu | http://liblime.com nice plone site! .. they person who did it know nothing about plone 3 weeks ago |
| 18:34.52 | goibhniu | s/they/the |
| 18:35.33 | Leeds | I have one big problem with plone |
| 18:35.33 | goibhniu | Leeds: go to sleep! |
| 18:35.34 | Leeds | Zope! |
| 18:35.37 | goibhniu | ahh ... that's a bit of a stumbling block alright |
| 18:36.11 | goibhniu | I'm looking into something light weight for a new project myself |
| 18:36.18 | goibhniu | I like the look of pylons |
| 18:37.12 | goibhniu | it looks very mix and match |
| 18:37.28 | Leeds | I've worked with Zope, and it scarred me, mentally |
| 18:37.28 | Leeds | I've been getting along very well with cherrypy - which is the engine used in turbogears |
| 18:37.51 | goibhniu | I like the look of kid a lot |
| 18:38.13 | goibhniu | but I was very impressed with the pylons howto ... very clear ... very pythonic |
| 18:38.13 | Leeds | that's a good thing |
| 18:38.15 | Leeds | best of all worlds, etc. |
| 18:38.17 | Leeds | kid is... a bit quirky |
| 18:38.42 | goibhniu | paste, wsgi etc |
| 18:38.47 | Leeds | kid is somewhat limited by the fact that it will only deal with well-formed XML... makes some things a bit awkward |
| 18:39.10 | cpufreak | Leeds: you sound like him thats all |
| 18:39.24 | Leeds | cpufreak: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 18:39.31 | goibhniu | yeah ... looks a little nicer than zpt though |
| 18:39.47 | cpufreak | depends, read www.five.org.uk and decide for yourself. |
| 18:40.09 | Leeds | goibhniu: http://genshi.edgewall.org/ is meant in some ways to be a successor to kid |
| 18:40.56 | Leeds | cpufreak: in what way do I sound like a paranoid weirdo? |
| 18:41.11 | Leeds | (from a very quick look at the site) |
| 18:42.16 | keithlard_ | mike corley, there's a name i haven't heard in a while :D |
| 18:42.30 | cpufreak | :) |
| 18:42.33 | goibhniu | Leeds: sweet! genshi it is then! |
| 18:42.44 | cpufreak | you seemed to think that all your friends were out to get you the other day |
| 18:43.10 | Leeds | oh, that... yeah, it happens - turns out I was at least partly right |
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| 18:44.43 | Leeds | the stuff I thought was going on was going on, and it was being hidden from me for pretty much the reasons I thought |
| 18:45.14 | Leeds | anyway, sleep... really... |
| 18:47.30 | sabinef72 | time for dinner |
| 18:47.35 | sabinef72 | I'm angry |
| 18:47.40 | goibhniu | :D |
| 18:47.57 | goibhniu | that's a french pronunciation of hungry ... right? |
| 18:48.55 | goibhniu | the thing I liked most about France is that every price doesn't end with 9 |
| 18:49.01 | goibhniu | it made me feel all grown up |
| 18:50.44 | sabinef72 | lol |
| 18:51.04 | sabinef72 | hungry - angry... I'm always mad with these 2 words |
| 18:51.18 | goibhniu | it is very boring ...no? |
| 18:51.25 | trousers_laptop | Howdy |
| 18:51.41 | sabinef72 | not boring but that's make me sad |
| 18:52.29 | keithlard_ | just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're *not* out to get you |
| 18:52.45 | goibhniu | sabinef72: you know the right way to use boring? ... all the false friends for English/French learners ... so much fun |
| 18:53.34 | sabinef72 | goibhniu: in this case I'll use "boring" often.... |
| 18:54.40 | goibhniu | just in case you haven't come across it, native French speakers often use "boring" when they mean "annoying" |
| 18:57.50 | sabinef72 | well... yes |
| 19:24.41 | rhowe | cd /usr/bin && mv fc-cache fc-cache.real && ln -s /bin/false fc-cache |
| 19:24.50 | rhowe | ah, Debian's installing packages *much* faster now :) |
| 19:29.51 | keithlard_ | ! |
| 19:33.04 | rhowe | I just did a 1.4Gbyte "dselect install" |
| 20:11.47 | keithlard_ | you come across some intresting things working in the keyword business |
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| 20:50.21 | Cope | :) |
| 20:54.02 | keithlard_ | 'hot slutty blonde gets double creampie' is relatively tame |
| 20:54.24 | Cope | well, it's probably fattening |
| 20:56.57 | keithlard_ | at least it suggests relatively normal sex |
| 20:57.46 | keithlard_ | 'how to recover loss from investment fraud by brokers' is quite intresting |
| 21:02.18 | keithlard_ | 'average penis'... hmm, you can bet the chap that's googling for that is not worrying about whether he might be larger than average |
| 21:12.24 | keithlard_ | 'female vampire'? |
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| 21:41.37 | rhowe | keithlard_: Wanna see scary things? Look up lolicon or fursuit or bukakke/bukkake |
| 21:42.02 | keithlard_ | i don't think i will |
| 21:42.16 | keithlard_ | :S |
| 22:10.34 | trousers_laptop | The temptation just too much for you, eh> |
| 22:10.36 | trousers_laptop | ? |
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| 22:14.23 | JAV | hi |
| 22:15.52 | keithlard_ | hola buddy |
| 22:21.27 | morsing | Moo |
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