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| 00:08.20 | catalyst | sabinef72: sorry, my housemates asked me to help with something =( |
| 00:21.29 | wethrin | woo |
| 00:21.42 | Leeds | wethrin: ? |
| 00:22.06 | wethrin | woo! |
| 00:22.17 | wethrin | I reaterproofed my walking boots |
| 00:23.26 | wethrin | *rewaterproofed |
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| 00:26.06 | wethrin | mozrat: I've removed you from the List Moderator list, but you're still on the List Administrator (owner) list. Shout if you want to be removed from that too |
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| 00:31.23 | keithlard_ | grr |
| 00:32.58 | Leeds | keithlard_: woof |
| 00:33.15 | keithlard_ | my dsl is like a whore's drawers at the moment |
| 00:33.47 | keithlard_ | it can't *all* be due to people strolling off with level 3 routers |
| 00:40.47 | wethrin | Maybe many people are using your DSLAM? |
| 00:40.49 | Leeds | hmm... the CIA factbook lists HK with 3.8 million landlines, 8.2 million mobiles - and a population of about 7 million |
| 00:41.54 | wethrin | Do you not need a landline ofor your interwebs? |
| 00:43.14 | quinophex | for a while i had 2 mobile phones... |
| 00:43.18 | quinophex | one from work and my personal one |
| 00:43.29 | quinophex | annoyed the hell out of me |
| 00:45.59 | Leeds | wethrin: no |
| 00:46.27 | wethrin | That'd explain it :) |
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| 03:34.35 | secretlondon | +only |
| 05:50.43 | Cope | i am awake |
| 05:50.44 | Cope | moprning |
| 06:01.42 | secretlondon | morning |
| 06:38.21 | trousers_sleep | 'Ning |
| 06:38.47 | secretlondon | morning |
| 07:15.28 | morsing | 'morning |
| 07:15.33 | secretlondon | morning |
| 07:24.04 | morsing | Bacon |
| 07:24.18 | secretlondon | coffee |
| 07:24.29 | secretlondon | and kikat |
| 07:24.33 | secretlondon | kitkat |
| 07:31.15 | morsing | Mmm... Kitkat |
| 07:31.20 | morsing | With marmite |
| 07:32.13 | secretlondon | I'm proud to say I don't dunk things in hot drinks - but I imagine that some do |
| 07:32.37 | secretlondon | theres never an excuse for marmite tho |
| 07:33.16 | morsing | Marmite in tea is good |
| 07:36.30 | morsing | In Debian, where can I execute random commands at startup? |
| 07:41.15 | murb | by execute do you mean put up against the wall and shot? |
| 07:42.10 | secretlondon | ubuntu has a services-admin |
| 07:43.19 | murb | debian has update-rc.d |
| 07:43.50 | murb | which i slike chkconfig on irix |
| 07:45.08 | murb | secretlondon: ubungo implements /etc/rc.local, which is yuck. |
| 07:47.10 | Leeds | secretlondon: obviously, I was awake, but I was on my way to Stanley |
| 07:47.34 | secretlondon | Leeds: I forgot about the non-GMT people |
| 07:53.55 | morsing | I don't want an rc script. Just a file that is normally run that I can put a command in |
| 07:54.00 | Leeds | typical :-) |
| 07:54.10 | morsing | Mo |
| 08:01.31 | murb | morsing: so implement an /etc/rc.local |
| 08:06.52 | morsing | Nice |
| 08:11.08 | z00dax | heya secretlondon |
| 08:11.45 | z00dax | wow, its cold in London :( |
| 08:12.43 | z00dax | going to work yesterday in a T and a light jacket was not a good idea |
| 08:12.51 | secretlondon | yeah - gnome says 3C |
| 08:13.03 | secretlondon | my central heating is still borked |
| 08:14.11 | Leeds | cold here too... was only 22C while I was on the beach this afternoon |
| 08:14.49 | z00dax | Leeds: humf |
| 08:15.36 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 08:15.45 | sabinef72 | what does it mean "housemate" ? |
| 08:16.04 | secretlondon | someone you live with as a friend |
| 08:16.14 | Leeds | or a participant in Big Brother |
| 08:16.22 | secretlondon | so someone you share a house with - but not a lover |
| 08:16.28 | z00dax | sabinef72: ! |
| 08:17.02 | sabinef72 | hi z00dax ! |
| 08:17.08 | sabinef72 | are you back ? |
| 08:17.27 | sabinef72 | secretlondon: ok I see. Thank you |
| 08:17.28 | z00dax | yup, back to the YK |
| 08:17.36 | z00dax | s/YK/UK/ |
| 08:17.38 | sabinef72 | z00dax: not so much tired ? |
| 08:17.52 | z00dax | not at all, had a good flight, slept through it. |
| 08:18.48 | z00dax | i am of-course semi jetlagged |
| 08:18.58 | z00dax | been awake 3 hrs already, and its only a bit past 8 |
| 08:20.38 | sabinef72 | ah yes |
| 08:20.51 | sabinef72 | how many jetlagged between UK and India ? |
| 08:21.09 | sabinef72 | how many hours of jetlag between UK and India ? |
| 08:21.18 | sabinef72 | (perhaps this sentence is better....) |
| 08:21.26 | z00dax | India is GMT + 5:30 |
| 08:23.42 | sabinef72 | ok |
| 08:23.58 | sabinef72 | Like Argentina but not in the same way |
| 08:24.21 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:25.20 | sabinef72 | hi morsing ! |
| 08:26.01 | sabinef72 | morsing: a dribbling one on your cheek |
| 08:26.56 | z00dax | ugh |
| 08:27.13 | serris | morning all |
| 08:27.24 | sabinef72 | bonjour serris |
| 08:27.57 | serris | hi sabinef72 |
| 08:28.05 | secretlondon | morning serris |
| 08:29.09 | serris | morning secretlondon |
| 08:30.04 | morsing | sabinef72: Nice |
| 08:30.05 | morsing | :) |
| 08:30.08 | z00dax | i never knew there were so many early rises out in london's geek world |
| 08:30.35 | secretlondon | z00dax: some have jobs, and some haven't been to bed |
| 08:32.25 | morsing | Mmm... Money |
| 08:32.54 | z00dax | hey morsing, how are you doing ? |
| 08:33.03 | z00dax | secretlondon: which one of the two camps do you hail from ? |
| 08:33.18 | secretlondon | z00dax: unemployed nocturnal |
| 08:33.38 | secretlondon | the minority camp |
| 08:34.36 | z00dax | (nocturnal)++ |
| 08:37.27 | Leeds | http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/stanley/ |
| 08:38.00 | Leeds | been to, not done to |
| 08:38.38 | z00dax | ah so its not Stanley, my neighbour |
| 08:38.39 | Leeds | sort of a grey day to be at the seaside |
| 08:38.54 | serris | I just got home z00dax |
| 08:38.58 | serris | Sorry for the late reply |
| 08:39.24 | z00dax | wow! pink boat. why would someone do that |
| 08:39.39 | Leeds | it's a pleasure cruiser |
| 08:39.51 | serris | bang boat |
| 08:40.23 | Leeds | not quite what I said :-) |
| 08:40.24 | morsing | z00dax: I'm good. You? |
| 08:41.32 | z00dax | pink boat, parked in front of a blue and yellow building! |
| 08:41.44 | z00dax | morsing: doing well, just a bit cold. |
| 08:41.51 | sabinef72 | z00dax: ? |
| 08:42.13 | z00dax | http://www.wanderingjew.co.uk/static/stanley/dirindex.html |
| 08:42.35 | z00dax | sabinef72: that was for you ( leeds took the pics earlier today ?) |
| 08:43.07 | serris | z00dax: back in the uK? |
| 08:43.45 | sabinef72 | Leeds: on the first picture, is it HK in the back ? |
| 08:44.00 | z00dax | serris: yup |
| 08:45.57 | serris | Enjoying the cold? |
| 08:46.35 | Leeds | sabinef72: Kowloon |
| 08:46.57 | sabinef72 | the name of the island you were going ? |
| 08:49.06 | Leeds | I was on Hong Kong Island all day today |
| 08:49.28 | z00dax | the first time i read about kowloon was in Ludlums Bourne Identity |
| 08:49.39 | z00dax | it seemed to be quite a happening place to be |
| 08:50.23 | sabinef72 | it really looks semilar than HK |
| 08:52.11 | Leeds | kowloon is the mainland part of HK - technically, that part south of Boundary Road, but nowadays it just means the whole urban area |
| 08:59.14 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:00.30 | Leeds | FYI, the first photos are at http://tinyurl.com/yyt8y8 - the second are at http://tinyurl.com/y2dzom and the third are at http://tinyurl.com/uwmbh - all Google Maps links |
| 09:01.06 | Leeds | the first set being to 550, the second to 557 |
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| 09:34.45 | andrew___ | Leeds - which bit do you live in? |
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| 09:36.46 | goibhniu | feck ... my new widescreen panel has 3 vertical blurry areas ... could that be an xorg.conf issue? |
| 09:37.12 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 09:37.18 | goibhniu | morsing!! |
| 09:39.13 | goibhniu | has anyone heard the RMS interview on tllts? |
| 09:39.17 | goibhniu | it's fun |
| 09:40.09 | z00dax | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6328/1/ |
| 09:59.05 | serris | I think I'mah bop down to CEX in a bit and sell all my XBOX games so I can afford some boots for work |
| 10:04.15 | morsing | uptime |
| 10:13.16 | morsing | ping cope |
| 10:17.27 | secretlondon | cope not here |
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| 10:25.18 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 10:25.25 | morsing | ibot kill cope |
| 10:25.30 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged anti-meson gun at cope |
| 10:28.32 | morsing | ~seen mozrat |
| 10:28.46 | ibot | mozrat is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 13h 8m 45s, last said: 'yw'. |
| 10:29.21 | secretlondon | ~seen secretlondon |
| 10:29.24 | ibot | secretlondon is currently on #gllug (6h 56m 54s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen secretlondon'. |
| 10:29.46 | secretlondon | ibot kill ibot |
| 10:29.49 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse electron gun at ibot |
| 11:17.27 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 11:21.50 | serris | hi morsing |
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| 11:23.47 | goibhniu | morsing! |
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| 12:17.09 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 12:19.10 | wethrin | morsing: pong |
| 12:19.30 | keithlard_ | DEATH!!! |
| 12:19.40 | wethrin | keithlard_ is George aICMFP |
| 12:19.45 | boudiccas | morsing; yeth masther, you wang? |
| 12:20.12 | wethrin | yay! |
| 12:27.58 | morsing | Woo |
| 12:28.07 | morsing | Check it! |
| 12:43.50 | morsing | Mooo |
| 12:44.04 | morsing | nirhtew! |
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| 12:53.58 | secretlondon | boo |
| 12:54.04 | antiphase | baa |
| 12:54.11 | morsing | bii |
| 12:54.17 | secretlondon | byy |
| 12:55.59 | boudiccas | ook |
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| 13:30.33 | morsing | Jasperw! |
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| 13:32.35 | morsing | Kitty! |
| 13:32.48 | Kitty | one of these days I will sneek in here unnoticed |
| 13:32.56 | morsing | Right... |
| 13:43.46 | secretlondon | Kitty: I suggest not lunchtime |
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| 13:54.57 | morsing | CopeUK!!! |
| 13:57.22 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:04.23 | CopeUK | ello morsing |
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| 15:08.06 | CopeUK | morsing: i suppose so... i don't see the need, given that we;re only using 5% of the 8G we have |
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| 15:38.08 | morsing | keithlard! |
| 15:41.19 | secretlondon | lard! |
| 15:42.58 | murb | bah |
| 15:43.17 | Leeds | Fred! |
| 15:43.32 | Leeds | I mean... Keith! |
| 15:44.20 | secretlondon | all the shops are full of christmas crap |
| 15:44.46 | murb | burn em down |
| 15:44.56 | murb | in the mean time i need some fireworks. |
| 15:45.14 | Leeds | to blow up shops? |
| 15:45.19 | cpufreak | hey |
| 15:45.53 | cpufreak | whats the easiest way to see the PIDs of processes which are accessing swap on a linux box? |
| 15:46.45 | murb | Leeds: nah to celibrate the failure of some catholic terrorists |
| 15:47.46 | Leeds | strangely enough, that's one of the British customs which didn't make it over here |
| 15:48.22 | murb | Leeds: aren't there already plenty of excuses for fireworks over there? |
| 15:48.34 | secretlondon | fireworks have been going off here for the 4 weeks or so |
| 15:48.56 | murb | good cover for the amateur sniper though. |
| 15:49.33 | Leeds | new year and the two national days tend to be the main firework events here |
| 15:49.40 | Leeds | possibly both new years, as well |
| 15:51.12 | murb | i have a feeling randomly letting off fireworks here without permission isn't legal |
| 15:51.15 | murb | but that doesn't stop the kids. |
| 15:51.30 | murb | it would prevent a proper guyfawks party though. |
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| 15:53.12 | Leeds | surely you could apply for permission on the basis of it being a cultural event? |
| 15:53.34 | morsing | Why does Tony Blair wear a blue tie? |
| 15:53.52 | wethrin | Because he's a Tory. |
| 15:53.54 | wethrin | Next question. |
| 15:53.56 | murb | Leeds: i live in bayern. |
| 15:54.17 | murb | although the area i live called franken is actually formated. |
| 15:54.29 | Leeds | murb: so what? |
| 15:54.31 | murb | and is only part of bayern because the french sold it. |
| 15:54.38 | morsing | wethrin: Uhmmm... No! |
| 15:54.45 | murb | Leeds: it would probably go across someones desk in munich |
| 15:54.55 | Leeds | and therefore... |
| 15:55.06 | Leeds | it's all Europe nowadays, isn't it? |
| 15:55.36 | murb | who'd throw it in the mind and set the BND on me. |
| 15:55.44 | wethrin | morsing: No? |
| 15:55.58 | wethrin | He's a raving Tory |
| 15:55.59 | Leeds | mind? BND? huh? |
| 15:56.05 | wethrin | Look at his policies |
| 15:56.10 | murb | s/mind/bin/ |
| 15:56.46 | murb | Leeds: bnd.bund.de |
| 15:57.21 | Leeds | it's a German website |
| 15:57.33 | Leeds | they're going to set a bunch of Kraut webmasters on you? |
| 15:57.56 | murb | Bundesnachrichtendienstes is something like MI5 |
| 15:58.21 | Leeds | but with a much much less catchy name... |
| 15:58.54 | secretlondon | blair is interesting - the lab party describes itself as centre-left or "democratic socialist" but it's clearly centre right. it's closest friends are in centre right groupings overseas, they don't like other social democrats |
| 15:58.58 | murb | the real nasty ones are http://www.geztapo.de/ |
| 15:59.09 | Leeds | excuse me??? |
| 15:59.20 | murb | (have a db of nearly everyone in .de which the state for instance is forbidden from doing) |
| 15:59.54 | murb | Leeds: GEZ == Gebühreneinzugszentrale |
| 16:00.09 | murb | tv licensing and they just extended it from 1st jan to cover computer equipment |
| 16:00.13 | Leeds | um... are you seriously telling me there's an organisation called Gestapo? |
| 16:00.29 | trousers_school | Howdy |
| 16:00.29 | murb | Leeds: that site is a protest against the GEZ.de |
| 16:00.36 | Leeds | okay |
| 16:00.38 | murb | and their hmm gestapo like behaviour |
| 16:00.51 | Leeds | so you're talking about the tv licensing people? |
| 16:00.52 | trousers_school | murb: They can't really be Gestapo, though |
| 16:00.57 | goibhniu | you have tv licences in germany? |
| 16:00.59 | secretlondon | slight overkill |
| 16:01.13 | secretlondon | tv licensing !=nazi germany |
| 16:01.36 | Leeds | secretlondon: particularly *in |
| 16:01.38 | trousers | Gestap = Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret state police |
| 16:01.40 | Leeds | *in Germany* |
| 16:02.03 | trousers | s/stap/stapo |
| 16:02.05 | trousers | s/stap/stapo/ |
| 16:02.12 | trousers | >.< |
| 16:02.15 | antiphase | Sie sind vatching you |
| 16:02.16 | murb | goibhniu: radio and tv and computer |
| 16:02.27 | murb | (from 1st jan) |
| 16:03.03 | murb | it is effectively a tax |
| 16:03.15 | secretlondon | i expect that I'll be made to get a tv license soon enough for my computer as they can argue that i can recive tv broadcasts with it |
| 16:03.17 | murb | as to do your tax returns as a company you are required to do them online. |
| 16:03.28 | murb | secretlondon: no it just has to be capable of connecting to the internet |
| 16:03.40 | murb | so ATMs will be required to pay it |
| 16:03.47 | secretlondon | currently as I don't have an actual telly in the UK I don't need a license |
| 16:03.51 | murb | as will mobile phones. |
| 16:04.23 | trousers | murb: That's a bit mean. |
| 16:04.52 | wethrin | secretlondon: Do you have a TV Tuner card? |
| 16:04.59 | secretlondon | wethrin: no |
| 16:05.07 | Leeds | murb: not very much, no, as long as I'm not paying |
| 16:05.07 | wethrin | So they can't make you get a TV licence |
| 16:05.10 | murb | wethrin: the bbc i think want to introduce this pc charge as well |
| 16:05.11 | secretlondon | it was more of a "in the future tv will be streamed" thing |
| 16:05.16 | wethrin | And you don't have to let them in without a warrant |
| 16:05.22 | murb | otherwise why would they be experiementing with multicast content. |
| 16:05.31 | murb | wethrin: they can easily get a warrant |
| 16:05.35 | murb | they just have to lie. |
| 16:05.47 | trousers | wethrin: Do you have to pay a TV liscence if you can prove that your TV can't receive BCC content? |
| 16:06.04 | goibhniu | trousers nope |
| 16:06.12 | Leeds | trousers: yes |
| 16:06.21 | goibhniu | only live broadcast content applies |
| 16:06.27 | Leeds | if you can receive any broadcast programmes it applies |
| 16:06.45 | goibhniu | so technically listening to live bbc radio on a pc requires a licence |
| 16:06.50 | trousers | s/lis/lic/ |
| 16:07.03 | trousers | I give up using that :( |
| 16:07.04 | goibhniu | but listening to archives doesn't |
| 16:07.07 | Leeds | goibhniu: no - no license needed for radio, only TV |
| 16:07.22 | trousers | You used to have radio licences, though |
| 16:07.37 | goibhniu | really? I looked into it a couple of months ago |
| 16:08.09 | Leeds | right - they abolished radio licences a long time ago |
| 16:08.22 | goibhniu | I read that you can have a tv for watching e.g. dvds and can argue that it isn't tuned in to receive tv |
| 16:08.39 | trousers | Argue and win? |
| 16:08.41 | murb | in germany they've not and they even say everyone should have a battery powered radio at home for emergnecy anouncemnts |
| 16:08.44 | Leeds | only if it doesn't actually have a tuner |
| 16:09.11 | Leeds | goibhniu: if you *can* receive TV, it doesn't matter if you haven't actually tuned it in |
| 16:09.26 | trousers | Leeds: If it doesn't have a tuner, they can't detect it anyway, can they? |
| 16:10.01 | Leeds | there is a serious question over whether they can detect anything at all, or if they just work on a combination of their database and assuming *everyone* needs a licence until proven otherwise |
| 16:10.18 | trousers | Fair enough |
| 16:10.33 | murb | Leeds: i'm sure they assume everyone needs one. |
| 16:10.35 | Leeds | but yes, the theory is that the detectors pick up leakage from the tuning circuits |
| 16:10.51 | trousers | Or they peer through your living room window :) |
| 16:10.55 | murb | Leeds: i have family who don't have TVs and every few years they get this trouble. |
| 16:11.00 | Leeds | murb: that's what I mean - they have a database of all households and they assume that every entry needs a licence |
| 16:11.08 | murb | (they even had a warantted search take place) |
| 16:11.10 | Leeds | I don't have a TV at the moment |
| 16:11.16 | murb | so someone must have been lying. |
| 16:11.29 | murb | but it seem magistrates hand them out no questions asked. |
| 16:11.38 | Leeds | I have a TV card, but I can't get the drivers working :-) |
| 16:11.42 | murb | (they refused to let them in on principle) |
| 16:11.46 | secretlondon | they do presume everyone has a tv - I'm sure of it. |
| 16:11.48 | murb | just like they don't have a tv on principle...) |
| 16:11.56 | secretlondon | I get letters and I haven't |
| 16:12.01 | murb | secretlondon: i didn't have a tv at uni because i wanted to pass! |
| 16:12.09 | Leeds | I remember at Uni when everybody got a letter or two in halls |
| 16:12.18 | Leeds | that's a great scam - needing one licence for every room |
| 16:12.24 | murb | + i had a computer with internet which was distraction enough. |
| 16:12.29 | trousers | Leeds: Ouch |
| 16:12.34 | secretlondon | I gave mine away as it is crap, I didn't want to buy a license and I have the internet |
| 16:12.36 | murb | Leeds: in .de you need it per adult member of family |
| 16:12.40 | murb | or if a company per device. |
| 16:13.01 | Leeds | trousers: because each room has an individually locking door, they are counted as separate residences |
| 16:13.02 | trousers | murb: Are you German or a Germanophile? |
| 16:13.05 | murb | oh and in theory if i had a ride in a car with a radio and i was travelling to a client i'd need a licens for that |
| 16:13.32 | murb | trousers: i'm a GEZphobe and ich wohn im oberfranken. |
| 16:13.39 | wethrin | Leeds: I presume they could try and argue the same about houses with individually locking bedroom doors? |
| 16:13.40 | Leeds | you don't need a separate licence in the UK for portable equipment if you have one for your home |
| 16:14.11 | Leeds | wethrin: nah, that's one household - it comes down to definitions of a 'logical household' - to use a techie-type term |
| 16:14.26 | wethrin | Even in a "student house"? |
| 16:14.41 | Leeds | grey area, I would think |
| 16:14.46 | murb | Leeds: i had an argument with the tv licnesning in hatfield who claimed every room in my student hous eshould have alicense. |
| 16:14.52 | murb | i just said we are a house hold. |
| 16:15.04 | murb | they then wibbled about rental contracts. |
| 16:15.12 | wethrin | "house no working stiff would ever be seen dead renting, so let's stuff a load of students into it, because they don't care how they live" |
| 16:15.26 | wethrin | murb: Did you have a TV? |
| 16:15.38 | murb | wethrin: no, but people in the house did, and they jointly got a license. |
| 16:16.07 | murb | a group of people living together in the same house because they want to, how is that not a household? |
| 16:16.20 | wethrin | Hm. Well, we have one TV (mine) between all of us |
| 16:16.31 | murb | apparently tvlicesning made up some rule of their own to get more moeny |
| 16:16.35 | wethrin | I would watch it more if our transmitter carried Freeview. Grumble grumble |
| 16:16.39 | trousers | wethrin: Are you at university? |
| 16:16.45 | murb | they used to have a faq which basically sayd for everything you need a license. |
| 16:16.46 | wethrin | trousers: Yes |
| 16:16.52 | trousers | wethrin: How old are you? |
| 16:17.03 | wethrin | 25 |
| 16:17.15 | murb | how many degress do you have? |
| 16:17.17 | trousers | I thought you were older :( |
| 16:17.37 | murb | i am. |
| 16:17.44 | murb | and also have less degrees |
| 16:18.24 | Leeds | s/at university/living in an academic ivory tower/ |
| 16:19.15 | trousers | Are degrees actually that hard? Because all university students seem to be lazy turds... |
| 16:19.31 | secretlondon | trousers: depends on the subject |
| 16:19.34 | Leeds | trousers: remind us... how many degrees do you have? :-) |
| 16:19.44 | trousers | Leeds: Just because I can't :P |
| 16:20.00 | trousers | I'm still deciding over comsci or physics |
| 16:20.32 | Leeds | are you planning to be a physician? |
| 16:20.47 | secretlondon | physicist |
| 16:20.49 | trousers | Physician?! |
| 16:21.05 | secretlondon | physicians do medicine ;) |
| 16:21.19 | trousers | I'm planning on software development of some kind |
| 16:21.19 | wethrin | murb: 2 currently. 3 soon |
| 16:21.22 | Leeds | eh, same difference |
| 16:21.29 | wethrin | murb: Does the Oxford MA count as a separate degree? |
| 16:21.31 | trousers | wethrin: Are you in any debt? |
| 16:21.35 | wethrin | Oh yes. |
| 16:21.39 | wethrin | Got the student loan |
| 16:21.46 | trousers | wethrin: Why do a 3rd degree, then? |
| 16:22.06 | wethrin | I get paid |
| 16:22.16 | trousers | To do degrees? |
| 16:22.24 | wethrin | trousers: Do Physics. Compsci doesn't teach you to program |
| 16:22.37 | wethrin | Yes. To do my current one. |
| 16:22.48 | secretlondon | but people seem to want comp sci degrees as entry to jobs |
| 16:23.01 | wethrin | Often compsci "or equivalent" |
| 16:23.05 | secretlondon | my linguistics degree doesn't cut it |
| 16:23.09 | wethrin | (i.e. physics, maths, chemistry, etc.) |
| 16:23.10 | Leeds | do compsci - physics won't teach you how computers work |
| 16:23.24 | wethrin | Physics is a more useful all-rounder |
| 16:23.37 | wethrin | It'll most importantly teach you how to find information quickly |
| 16:23.55 | Leeds | nonsense |
| 16:23.59 | wethrin | secretlondon: Then the HR departments at those jobs are raving idiots |
| 16:24.21 | secretlondon | wethrin: they want compsi degrees.. |
| 16:24.49 | wethrin | Ugh. Not the place to work, then, if they can't see past a degree |
| 16:25.13 | Leeds | wethrin: 1 job, 500 applicants - first thing to do is get rid of 450 of them |
| 16:26.00 | Leeds | trousers: easily, I suspect |
| 16:26.12 | trousers | Leeds: That's not very kind/fair |
| 16:26.34 | Leeds | an obvious shot though |
| 16:26.47 | wethrin | Leeds: Maybe, but often better programmers are found in the ranks of engineers, physicists, and that ilk, rather than computer scientists |
| 16:26.48 | trousers | Hmm |
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| 16:27.14 | Leeds | wethrin: extremely sweeping |
| 16:27.28 | wethrin | And I can't think of sysadmins off the top of my head who've been CompScis |
| 16:27.43 | secretlondon | all the ones I know are |
| 16:28.00 | Leeds | in my experience, that may well be true - but a lot of people get to a point where they start to feel the lack of a compsci education - where they can tell their peers have more instinct, more background than they do |
| 16:28.43 | murb | compsci == nic eeasy degree |
| 16:29.11 | wethrin | Leeds: Indeed. But from what I hear (even from people in Compsci), a lot of the people studying it just want to be spoonfed the stuff. And most of them haven't heard of Knuth. |
| 16:29.41 | Leeds | oh, sure - I'm talking about computer scientists, not wannabe dom-com millionaires |
| 16:30.05 | wethrin | Interestingly, a lot of the CS lecturers/academics in UCL didn't do their undergrad degree in CS |
| 16:30.10 | murb | lots of wannabes do choose to study comp-sci |
| 16:30.15 | murb | when i did it most of htem fail the first year |
| 16:30.21 | wethrin | There were a large number of physicists who did a conversion course, and stayed on |
| 16:30.21 | murb | i've heard that isn't the case any more due to finding |
| 16:30.25 | murb | s/find/fund/ |
| 16:30.44 | murb | much more cost effective for them to fail after 4 years... for the uni.. |
| 16:31.02 | murb | if they are even permitted to fail them then. |
| 16:31.10 | Leeds | wethrin: it may not quite be the case any more, but back when I did my degree, it was just early enough that the first generation of mass-taught computer scientists would have been medium-senior - the oldest staff *couldn't* have done compsci, because it wasn't taught when they were studying |
| 16:32.27 | murb | Leeds: oh i rember being invited to a 50 years of CS event at hatfield not that long ago. |
| 16:32.44 | murb | so it has been arround for some time. |
| 16:33.48 | Leeds | hatfield was one of the first places to teach compsci, IIRC |
| 16:34.48 | Leeds | I was at uni 10 years ago... so assuming they started teaching it in the mid-60s, those staff in, say, their 50s may well have already been undergrads by the time they started |
| 16:37.19 | antiphase | I always assumed CompSci was just a breeding ground for Java programmers |
| 16:38.47 | wethrin | antiphase: They still sometimes teach c++, although lord only knows why |
| 16:38.52 | Leeds | uh, no... if nothing else, mass teaching of Java didn't start until after I was done - we did Ada |
| 16:39.28 | trousers | wethrin: What's wrong with C++? |
| 16:39.29 | Leeds | and a decent comp sci course doesn't teach you to code - if anything, they sort of assume you'll pick it up as you go along... what it does teach you is design, style, understanding for the underlying issues and so on |
| 16:39.39 | wethrin | It's generally Hateful, Bad and Wrong |
| 16:39.56 | wethrin | Leeds: Unfortunately a number of people seem to apply to it wanting to learn to become coders |
| 16:40.01 | antiphase | I did Elec Eng, and missed Java by a couple of years. We did Matlab and C instead |
| 16:40.01 | trousers | wethrin: Explain? |
| 16:40.06 | Leeds | wethrin: then they're idiots |
| 16:40.09 | secretlondon | it's what kde is written in, and there are loads of jobs that require it |
| 16:40.11 | murb | Ada and Eiffel and lisp and c and c++ and forth and objectpascal/delphi and hatfuldisfucntional language i forget about |
| 16:40.11 | wethrin | Leeds: Indeed |
| 16:40.18 | eyore | my uni was a java early adopter and that was only around 1999 |
| 16:40.24 | wethrin | trousers: Ask a real Compsci :) |
| 16:40.28 | eyore | they switched from modula3 |
| 16:40.43 | Leeds | we had assignments which required us to write code, but we were never actually taught how to do it |
| 16:40.44 | murb | and examples also used later on in java |
| 16:40.44 | eyore | possibly 1998 |
| 16:40.59 | murb | yes, i don't rember being taught that either. |
| 16:41.02 | wethrin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++#Problems_and_controversies - take that for a start :) |
| 16:41.42 | secretlondon | I was taught to code in fortran ;) |
| 16:41.53 | Leeds | not that I've ever really used it, but I don't think C++ is *that* bad - just that there are much better things out there |
| 16:42.08 | antiphase | It's so easy to do C++ very badly wrong |
| 16:42.24 | wethrin | Yay Fortran :) |
| 16:42.34 | eyore | I think good C++ refactoring tools are also in relatively short supply |
| 16:42.39 | Leeds | except in the case of perl, where it's mandatory, it's not really fair to blame the language for the crappy code written in it |
| 16:42.45 | wethrin | And some of the CS purists will complain about its lack of strict typing |
| 16:43.21 | eyore | and exposure of pointers and direct memory access resulting in around a zillion lame security compromises |
| 16:43.23 | trousers | Leeds: What is *much* better than C++ then? |
| 16:43.57 | wethrin | eyore: That's a criticism of C too |
| 16:44.01 | eyore | I reckon the programming language market is a lot more fragmented these days |
| 16:44.08 | eyore | wethrin: sure. |
| 16:44.14 | murb | i don't belive it is a market. |
| 16:44.15 | eyore | depends what you want to do |
| 16:44.23 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 16:44.29 | eyore | if you are free to pick a language it probably depends what you want to do |
| 16:44.53 | Leeds | trousers: well, for a lot of application code, python/ruby are better... for OS stuff, C... if you really want C++, I understand ObjC does the same thing, but better |
| 16:45.39 | secretlondon | it seems that a lot of open source programs are written in C, C++ or python |
| 16:45.40 | eyore | I think it's a shame that a good language hasn't made major inroads into C++ on the desktop |
| 16:45.43 | eyore | apart from on the mac |
| 16:46.02 | Leeds | C is *not* a good language for applications |
| 16:46.03 | eyore | I guess C# will do eventually on windows |
| 16:46.17 | trousers | Leeds: What's so bad about C? |
| 16:46.43 | eyore | python is good if you don't need very high performance and know OO. |
| 16:46.46 | Leeds | trousers: it's very hard to do right - there are a lot of things in the language and stdlib which make it easy to leave holes in your code, mainly |
| 16:47.10 | trousers | Leeds: However, it is fast, no? |
| 16:47.20 | Leeds | nobody should need to do their own memory management in 2006 on general-purpose machines, unless they're writing a memory manager |
| 16:47.31 | eyore | fast to run, not fast to write also not fast to optimise large apps. |
| 16:47.43 | eyore | Leeds: quite |
| 16:47.56 | Leeds | trousers: it's a truism that the vast majority of code nowadays is limited a) by the user, b) by IO and a distant c) by CPU speed |
| 16:48.35 | Leeds | I like the python philosophy which says that it's better to focus on developer time - both for writing and maintaining - than for user time, since users effectively have computer time to waste |
| 16:48.49 | eyore | True most of the time |
| 16:49.03 | trousers | Leeds: I see where you're coming from, but surely when you do something, you still want to do it as quickly as possible? |
| 16:49.06 | eyore | though I good JIT compliler wouldn't hurt python or ruby. |
| 16:49.23 | wethrin | Write more things in Functional languages! |
| 16:49.47 | Leeds | sure, there are things which you want to write as efficiently as possible - media codecs are the obvious things - but then you want to wrap *readable* and *maintainable* code around them |
| 16:50.05 | eyore | trousers: No, normally you want to be able to write it quicker and if you have spare time then optimise it well |
| 16:50.06 | Leeds | trousers: *except* for media encoding, when was the last time your computer was significantly CPU-limited? |
| 16:50.31 | wethrin | Even decoding doesn't suck significant cycles any more |
| 16:50.31 | trousers | Leeds: Loading anything on my 500MHz laptop? |
| 16:50.47 | wethrin | trousers: That's IO-bound |
| 16:50.50 | wethrin | Not CPU-bound |
| 16:50.51 | eyore | Mainly IO restrictions not CPU |
| 16:51.22 | eyore | one of the reasons why java is accused of being slow, the class librarys poor sharing and lot's of disk IO on startup |
| 16:51.31 | Leeds | wethrin: true - I really mean encoding... I did a DVD encode to x264 on my Athon64 3K+ (running at 1.8GHz in 32bit) and it was running at about 7fps |
| 16:51.41 | eyore | in actual fact the run speed of say a sort algorithm is very close to native speed |
| 16:52.05 | wethrin | That's slow. I've been doing MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 encoding, and that's been running at about 30fps |
| 16:52.06 | Leeds | with a well-written stdlib, you end up doing a lot of CPU-intensive stuff in optimised C libraries anyway |
| 16:52.15 | Leeds | x264!=mpeg4 |
| 16:52.21 | Leeds | well, it does, but not in the xvid sense |
| 16:52.28 | wethrin | Is it much more compressed? |
| 16:52.31 | Leeds | yes |
| 16:52.49 | Leeds | took it down to 1200kbit/s at full DVD resolution and it is *very* watchable |
| 16:53.02 | wethrin | What filesize? |
| 16:53.15 | eyore | I keep meaning to try and rip a dvd to my iaudio. |
| 16:53.43 | wethrin | I'd expect an xvid to be about 900-1200MB for a full DVD resolution |
| 16:53.51 | Leeds | about 1.7GB, but over 300MB of that is audio |
| 16:54.18 | Leeds | wethrin: try ripping a DVD down to 1200MB including audio with xvid and tell me if you can see anything through the blurring |
| 16:55.44 | wethrin | All the stuff I've got looks fine |
| 16:55.50 | Leeds | that's un-recompressed audio on mine - the a52 5.1 stream |
| 16:56.02 | Leeds | at full DVD res? 720x576? |
| 16:56.13 | wethrin | Reduced to 640x480 |
| 16:56.13 | Leeds | this is actually 720x480 |
| 16:56.13 | Leeds | either way - I don't like scaling stuff |
| 16:56.21 | Leeds | I'm not saying I couldn't go lower, but at that framerate I wasn't inclined to experiment :-) |
| 16:56.22 | wethrin | but otherwise I've never had a problem with the xvids I've got |
| 16:57.11 | Leeds | anyway, the point is that yes, video encoding is one of those things which actually does max out a CPU - so the trick is to write the codec in C, compile it with lots of optimisation, *then write the user side of the app in a useful language like python* |
| 16:57.49 | wethrin | indeed |
| 16:58.09 | wethrin | Freevo's written in python. And then it calls helper programs to do the useful things |
| 16:58.28 | Leeds | right... I understand there are usable python bindings for gstreamer |
| 17:05.06 | wethrin | Heh: "...attention of someone knowledgeable, preferably an expert" |
| 17:06.49 | Leeds | ? |
| 17:09.59 | wethrin | A Wikipedia article is tagged with that |
| 17:10.03 | wethrin | I just like the phrasing |
| 17:13.30 | Leeds | hmm... is there something up at linx? |
| 17:14.09 | Leeds | a traceroute to my vm at bytemark gets as far as linx-gw12.LON.GB.net.DTAG.DE before dying |
| 17:15.12 | Leeds | then again, a traceroute to a site in the US dies at sfo-sa1.SFO.US.net.DTAG.DE |
| 17:17.40 | wethrin | The Germans are stealing your packets |
| 17:17.40 | wethrin | I'd blame murb |
| 17:17.44 | Leeds | the normal procedure then, right |
| 17:17.47 | wethrin | Yup |
| 17:24.51 | Leeds | the Germans woke up |
| 17:25.07 | wethrin | ah. They know we're on to them! |
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| 18:02.32 | Gunde | Good evening (: |
| 18:02.42 | Leeds | good morning! |
| 18:05.25 | murb | good evening |
| 18:05.35 | murb | i think the evenings have it for now! |
| 18:05.48 | murb | maybe we should have a recount in a few hours? |
| 18:06.00 | Leeds | what, you mean in the morning? :-) |
| 18:07.11 | Gunde | Are fireworks officially on the 4th or on the 5th? |
| 18:07.19 | Leeds | 5th |
| 18:07.40 | murb | 5th |
| 18:07.48 | murb | i need to find some here. |
| 18:08.12 | murb | i've not seen them for sale but judging by the teenagers letting htem off in the street last week they can't be in short supply. |
| 18:09.04 | secretlondon | evening +1 |
| 18:09.19 | Gunde | Looking at freeview receivers, what is an RF loop through? |
| 18:10.16 | Leeds | Gunde: it means that the box has RF out as well as RF in, so you can plug the RF signal into something else after the freeview box - usually with the decoded freeview signal added somewhere in the spectrum |
| 18:11.19 | Gunde | RF are the round ones like aerials have? |
| 18:11.34 | Leeds | uh, yeah... radio frequency |
| 18:12.55 | Gunde | I must admit I am actually looking at the Tesco website. Are Digilogic and Bush companies one should have heard of before? |
| 18:13.06 | secretlondon | bush - yes |
| 18:13.29 | Leeds | bush is rather cheap and nasty - but at least it is cheap |
| 18:13.36 | secretlondon | i've not heard of digilogic but I may not have been paying attention |
| 18:14.56 | Gunde | I am terrible when it comes to hardware. I grew up in a family with a subscription to the equivalent of "Which?", and I am used to just go through the past ten years' tests or so, and then decide. |
| 18:15.08 | Leeds | Gunde: feel free to subscribe to which online :-) |
| 18:15.21 | murb | which are not very impartial |
| 18:15.40 | murb | i rember they did a test of ISPs and their rebranding of someone came out better than the others |
| 18:15.50 | murb | including other VISPs on the same backend. |
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| 18:23.49 | Gunde | apparently fireworks in Cambridge are already tomorrow. |
| 18:25.08 | secretlondon | the 5th is the official day, public displays are often on the nearest saturday |
| 18:25.45 | secretlondon | i'm retiring to bed as i woke up at a silly time and I have the lurgy |
| 18:25.54 | secretlondon | good night all |
| 18:25.55 | Gunde | What does lurgy mean? |
| 18:25.58 | secretlondon | sick |
| 18:26.47 | Leeds | lurgy is a childish word meaning any sickness - with the implication that it's contagous, so you shouldn't get too close |
| 18:27.05 | Leeds | also implies that it's somewhat of a messy illness - lots of goo coming out of various places it shouldn't come out of |
| 18:27.11 | Leeds | it's a good word :-) |
| 18:27.34 | Gunde | Then get better soon and sleep well (: |
| 18:27.50 | Leeds | she(?) has already gone... |
| 18:28.41 | Gunde | oops |
| 18:28.46 | Gunde | afaik she |
| 18:29.42 | murb | difficult to tell on the internet |
| 18:29.52 | Gunde | she said it though one day |
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| 18:30.00 | Leeds | that's what I thought |
| 18:30.02 | Leeds | morning xotl |
| 18:30.13 | xotl | evening Leeds |
| 18:30.13 | Gunde | (not that people would ever take on an alternate identity here, oh no) |
| 18:30.37 | Leeds | Gunde: you are George AICMFP |
| 18:30.56 | murb | Ponies? |
| 18:31.05 | Leeds | yes |
| 18:32.18 | Gunde | Leeds, huh? |
| 18:33.53 | Gunde | Even after having looked up the acronym I still don't get the sense of it. |
| 18:34.16 | Leeds | what does it stand for? |
| 18:34.43 | Gunde | and I claim my five pounds |
| 18:35.03 | murb | Gunde: it is a competition to identify the real george |
| 18:35.04 | Leeds | right, and what does it mean? what's the context? |
| 18:35.10 | murb | when you find him you claim the money |
| 18:35.17 | catalyst` | it's from a radio show |
| 18:35.18 | murb | so you have to send Leeds 5 pounds now. |
| 18:35.49 | murb | I thought it was from a newspaper |
| 18:35.50 | Gunde | And who is George? The only George I have seen mentioned here was this one: |
| 18:35.52 | Gunde | ibot trousers |
| 18:35.54 | ibot | trousers is, like, the new and improved George without the defects and with all the acne |
| 18:35.56 | xotl | but presumably not if Gunde isn't george |
| 18:36.59 | Gunde | Wikipedia mentions it too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_X_and_I_claim_my_five_pounds |
| 18:37.24 | Leeds | Gunde: I was suggesting that maybe you were George reincarnated as a German |
| 18:37.32 | catalyst | yay! my new laptop runs mandriva 2007 perfectly, it even picked up the sound, network and graphics without me having to prod it =) |
| 18:38.04 | murb | and the modem? |
| 18:38.10 | Leeds | mo-dem? |
| 18:38.16 | xotl | so george is dead? |
| 18:38.47 | Leeds | http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=596&d=1162616804 |
| 18:38.48 | Gunde | And who is the real George? |
| 18:38.52 | Leeds | dead to #gllug, yes |
| 18:39.08 | Leeds | ibot george |
| 18:39.09 | ibot | [george] gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 18:39.30 | Leeds | bah, and he's locked that so we can't add the truth |
| 18:39.55 | xotl | wasn't george at the expo? |
| 18:40.21 | Leeds | yes, he was |
| 18:57.04 | Leeds | g'night all |
| 18:58.02 | goibhniu | morning Leeds |
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| 19:14.21 | trousers | Howdy y'all |
| 19:23.02 | boudiccas | http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2005/03/28/beast-of-sydenham.html |
| 19:23.10 | boudiccas | trousers; lo :) |
| 19:34.13 | serris | hi trousers |
| 19:34.19 | serris | hi boudiccas |
| 19:34.46 | boudiccas | serris; hiyas :) |
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| 21:09.35 | keithlard_ | wooo |
| 21:10.18 | keithlard_ | secretlondon is definitely a she :) |
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| 21:22.22 | morsing | keithlard_: Really? |
| 21:34.09 | *** join/#gllug buzzer (n=buzzer@cpc2-lamb2-0-0-cust950.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:36.25 | keithlard_ | yes |
| 21:36.31 | keithlard_ | :D |
| 21:37.04 | morsing | keithlard_: And how do you know? And why are you so excited? |
| 21:39.37 | keithlard_ | i have seen pictures of secretlondon! :> |
| 21:49.10 | popey | secretlondon == Caroline Ford? |
| 21:55.10 | murb | Caroline Ford is who? |
| 22:41.49 | mozrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.29 | boudiccas | mozrat; the snail? |
| 22:44.51 | boudiccas | another Magic Roundabout fan? |
| 22:46.06 | boudiccas | ook? |
| 22:46.47 | mozrat | ;-) |
| 22:47.12 | mozrat | Note to self. When settling down to do a Linux install at nighttime make sure you have a PS2 keyboard in the house |
| 22:47.23 | mozrat | I only have a USB one and the installer doesn't recognise it |
| 22:47.26 | mozrat | NUTS! |
| 22:50.11 | boudiccas | whole hazelnuts! Cadburys take them and cover them with chocolate! |
| 22:50.21 | mozrat | Mmmm |
| 22:50.23 | boudiccas | beer! |
| 22:50.43 | sabinef72 | hello |
| 22:50.56 | mozrat | hey sabinef72 |
| 22:51.00 | boudiccas | beer: hello |
| 22:51.07 | sabinef72 | hi Simon |
| 22:51.12 | mozrat | how are you? |
| 22:51.49 | boudiccas | shaeds of Tony Hancock in 'The Radio Ham' |
| 22:51.52 | boudiccas | *shades |
| 22:52.16 | boudiccas | ibot count |
| 22:52.25 | ibot | [count] what apt doesn't. |
| 22:52.35 | boudiccas | lol |
| 22:52.48 | sabinef72 | mozrat: not so good |
| 22:53.00 | sabinef72 | and you ? |
| 22:53.05 | mozrat | sabinef72: oh, whats up? |
| 22:54.17 | sabinef72 | I went to the hospital for analysis and it wasn't pleasant at all |
| 22:54.36 | mozrat | oh dear |
| 22:54.58 | sabinef72 | thank you |
| 22:55.17 | sabinef72 | I don't feel good so I'm going to bed now |
| 22:55.25 | sabinef72 | see you tomorrow |
| 22:55.42 | mozrat | sleep well |
| 23:06.55 | *** join/#gllug deep-blue (i=evil1337@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 23:13.13 | mozrat | hey deep-blue |
| 23:20.04 | trousers | mozrat! |
| 23:20.29 | mozrat | hey! |
| 23:42.55 | trousers | Downloading debian :) |
| 23:43.03 | mozrat | :-) |
| 23:43.08 | trousers | Going to have to kill my server tomorrow, make backups etc :( |
| 23:43.32 | trousers | http://trousers.ath.cx/stats.php - I don't think 47 days uptime is that bad :) |
| 23:45.30 | trousers | Huh? How do you know about that? :P |
| 23:46.52 | trousers | I could be running 2 machines with Xen on them, patching the Kernel after a transfer, but still maintaining the same uptime... I assume it retains that on transfer |
| 23:47.52 | mozrat | No, the virtual machine would still be vulnerbale |
| 23:48.03 | trousers | Would it? |
| 23:48.17 | mozrat | I think so, yeah |
| 23:48.31 | trousers | Even though it'd be running on top of the new kernel? Or would it just die? |
| 23:51.44 | trousers | What is your SIP address? |
| 23:52.03 | trousers | If you don't mind me asking :) |
| 23:52.43 | mozrat | me? |
| 23:52.57 | mozrat | my SIP phone is down at the moment :( |
| 23:53.01 | trousers | Indeed :o |
| 23:53.08 | trousers | Can't you use Ekiga softphone? |
| 23:53.35 | trousers | Or is that just another way to connect to the SIP network? |
| 23:53.40 | mozrat | No, that would work |
| 23:53.54 | mozrat | but my Cisco phone is foobar'd until I get a TFTP server working here |
| 23:53.57 | mozrat | which is tomorrow morning |
| 23:54.08 | trousers | Why do you need TFTP exactly? |
| 23:54.12 | trousers | Netbooting? |
| 23:54.28 | mozrat | Pretty much |
| 23:54.43 | mozrat | it works without the TFTP server for so long then it all falls over |
| 23:54.57 | trousers | I still don't understand how my laptop got Ubuntu working :P |
| 23:55.14 | trousers | It managed to netboot and find an internet connection with 2 DHCP servers running |
| 23:55.31 | trousers | All with a bit of prodding |
| 23:55.47 | mozrat | heh |
| 23:55.58 | trousers | Also, my dad threatens to take away all my PCs if my room isn't tidy :( |
| 23:56.43 | mozrat | phone Childline |
| 23:56.51 | trousers | Hehe |
| 23:57.03 | deep-blue^AFK | evenin mozrat, trousers |
| 23:57.10 | trousers | Evenin' |
| 23:57.18 | mozrat | hey |
| 23:57.20 | deep-blue^AFK | quick question before i shoot mozrat, the thing next weekend, how late is it gonna run? |
| 23:57.32 | mozrat | deep-blue^AFK: I reckon from 1330 to 1700-1730 |
| 23:57.39 | mozrat | the talks will start at 1500ish |
| 23:57.43 | deep-blue^AFK | there going to be a pub run after? |
| 23:57.48 | trousers | Where is MySQL info stored? |
| 23:57.51 | mozrat | keep an eye on the mailing list, I'm going to nail it all down this weekend |
| 23:58.05 | mozrat | yep - Green man opposite Gt. Portland Street |
| 23:58.22 | deep-blue^AFK | coolio |
| 23:58.39 | deep-blue^AFK | i cant get saturday off work, meaning i wont finish till 630/0700pm |
| 23:59.05 | mozrat | I think the pub will be pretty quiet by then :( |
| 23:59.07 | deep-blue^AFK | n figure an hour to get to london from here, im not gonna come unless poeple are drinkin late >< |
| 23:59.11 | deep-blue^AFK | damn |
| 23:59.16 | mozrat | sorry dude |
| 23:59.41 | trousers | MySQL info... Anyone? |
| 23:59.57 | deep-blue^AFK | maybe next time, tty all tomoz, nite |